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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.
FIRST, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL.
NOW, COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY ADVISED US THAT SHE WILL NOT BE PRESENT TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I SEE WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC VISITING US TONIGHT.
YOU FOLKS ARE INVITED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD IF YOU WISH.
I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY HERE FOR ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT.
SO WE INVITE YOU TO ADDRESS US IF YOU FEEL NECESSARY AT THE TIME OF THAT DISCUSSION.
SO RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN GENERAL.
ALL RIGHT. SO THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CORDILL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.
THE AGENDA IS APPROVED FOR TONIGHT.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27 MEETING OF THIS BOARD.SO MOVED. MOVED BY VICE CHAIR TREZISE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ANY CORRECTIONS? THERE IMPECCABLE.
NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES.
THEREFORE, WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
IS THERE? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
[6. COMMUNICATIONS]
THEREFORE, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, COMMUNICATIONS.WE HAVE IT IN THE HAND OF ONE.
APPARENTLY, THIS WAS SIGNED BY FOUR PEOPLE.
AND EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THE RECENT RECENTLY ADDED COMMUNICATION.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED? I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THE THREE WE HAD RECEIVED BEFORE TODAY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE ONE WE RECEIVED IN THE HARD COPY TODAY WAS OPPOSED.
AND ALSO THE HARD COPY INDICATES THAT FIVE SIGNATURES OUT OF THE TEN VISITS.
SO THEN WE ARE NOW ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[7A. Special Use Permit #22-071 – Butterflies Group Childcare]
THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT BEING SPECIAL USE PERMIT 22-071, THE BUTTERFLY'S GROUP CHILD CARE UNIT.THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, IS HERE TONIGHT.
IT IS A, IT'S THERE, AS YOU SEE THERE.
THEY DO HAVE A LICENSE FOR A FAMILY DAYCARE FOR 0 TO 6 CHILDREN.
THAT WAS EFFECTIVE RETROACTIVELY TO JANUARY 3RD OF THIS YEAR.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHILD CARE ORGANIZATIONS ACT.
STATE OF MICHIGAN. THE DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS.
LARA. CHILD CARE LICENSING DIVISION.
THEY REGULATE CHILD CARE FACILITIES BASED ON A NUMBER OF CHILDREN.
THE FUTURE LAND USE CALLS THIS R2, IT FITS WITHIN FUTURE LAND USE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
JUST JUST UNDER A THIRD OF AN ACRE FRONTS ON QUARRY ROAD ABOUT LESS THAN 300 FEET AWAY FROM OKEMOS . DAILY PICK UP AND DROP OFF.
ACCORDING TO INTERVIEW WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY START AT 7 A.M.
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SO 10 HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.PURSUANT TO MICHIGAN STATE OR MICHIGAN STATE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE ZONING ENABLING ACT REQUIRES THE TOWNSHIP TO ISSUE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A GROUP CHILD CARE HOME IF IT MEETS ALL STANDARDS.
I FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH OUR OWN STANDARDS ON I'M LOOKING ON PAGE FOUR OF MY REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS IN THE PACKET.
I'M LOOKING AT MY REPORT HERE.
IT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL PARKING DOES REQUIRE PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL DOES COMPLY WITH OUR WITH OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE NO OPEN VIOLATIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
AS I NOTED, ONE OF THE THINGS IN OUR ANALYSIS FOR A NON RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THE WORD SHOULD COMES UP A LOT. AND ONE OF THOSE 'SHOULDS' IS, IS THAT IT SHOULD FRONT ON A MAJOR ROAD.
IT SHOULD BE ON THE EDGE OF A DISTRICT, NOT SHALL, SHOULD.
SO LOOKING AT THAT, AS I NOTED, IT'S 278 FEET FROM THE ROAD EDGE TO THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S DRIVEWAY, AS I MEASURED ON THE TOWNSHIP PARCEL VIEWER.
AND IT'S ONLY SEPARATED FROM OKEMOS ROAD BY TWO PARCELS IT'S ON WHAT I JUST PUSH THIS RIGHT TO SWITCH SUCH. THERE IT IS.
SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RIGHT HERE WHERE I'VE GOT THE CURSOR.
THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES AND THEN THAT'S OKEMOS ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE LOCATION IS.
AND WE WILL PRESENT A RESOLUTION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT CAN TAKE THE STAGE AND TAKE THIS TO THE PODIUM, WHICH IS NOT. YOU GAVE A COPY OF THE MICHIGAN LAWS? I DID. AND THERE'S A PROVISION THERE THAT SAYS A CHILD, WHERE IS IT HERE? I JUST LOST IT, IS NOT SUBJECT TO..
A FAMILY DAYCARE OF 0 TO 6 IS NOT SUBJECT TO ZONING APPROVAL.
A GROUP DAYCARE IS SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT IT SHALL BE ISSUED IF IT NEEDS CRITERIA.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE NAME.
IF IT'S A FAMILY UNIT, IT'S UNDER SIX OR SIX OR UNDER, CORRECT? GROUP THEN IT'S MORE THAN 6 UP TO 12.
YES. HAVE YOU DONE A DRIVE BY OF THIS PROPERTY? I VISITED LAST WEEK MYSELF AND I'LL INTRODUCE OUR INTERN, JOEY. HE CAME WITH ME.
JUST GIVE HIM SOME EXPERIENCE.
AND WE THE VERY PLEASANT EXPERIENCE THERE.
WE THE FENCE, THE REAR AREA IS COMPLETELY FENCED IN, OPAQUE FENCING.
WE DID HAPPEN TO RUN INTO ONE PARENT WHO SAID THEY WERE REALLY PLEASED WITH THE SERVICE AND THEY WERE ANTICIPATING THE YOUNGER DAUGHTER BEING THERE NEXT YEAR.
THE BACKYARD FENCING? YES. IS IT OPAQUE ALL THE WAY AROUND OR JUST AT THE VERY BACK? NO. ALL ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I WILL SAY THAT THE LET'S SEE, LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, THE WEST PART OF THE FENCE IS LIKE CEDAR. IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE OF FENCING.
CORRECT. AND THEN THEY'VE TIED INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE WITH SIX FOOT OPAQUE ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND THEN THERE'S GATES FOR ACCESS ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'LL BE UP TO THE STATE, I'M TOLD BY THE APPLICANT.
YES. WHEN YOU GO FROM THE 7 TO 12, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO.
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AND THERE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING TO HIRE ANY STAFF TO FILL THAT SECOND SPOT.CORRECT. VARIES BY THE AGE OF THE CHILD.
ALL RIGHT. A QUESTION ABOUT, I GUESS, HOW WOULD THE DO WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LICENSING AT ALL BECAUSE THE CURRENT OR THE MOST RECENT LICENSE IS EXPIRED? IT IS NOT.
I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE STATE.
THEY WORKED WITH THE STATE VERY CLOSELY.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING TO ENDANGER THE CHILDREN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
THE FAMILY LICENSE HAS BEEN ISSUED.
AND AS I SAID, IT WAS RETROACTIVELY APPROVED BACK TO JANUARY 3RD AND IT'S GOOD FOR TWO YEARS.
YEAH. SO THEY'RE WELL WITHIN THEIR LICENSE.
SO THAT LICENSE IS THE ONE FOR UP TO 12 KIDS.
IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG. THEY CAN'T GET THAT WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL.
BUT WE WEREN'T GOING TO GIVE OUR APPROVAL UNTIL THE FAMILY LICENSE WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT THIS IS USED AS A RESIDENCE FOR THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS PROGRAM AND THE CHILDREN IN THERE? YES. I MEAN, IT'S A RESIDENCE AND A CHILD CARE.
THIS IS THE ROOM THAT'S USED FOR PLAY.
THIS IS THE BASEMENT THAT'S PLAY.
AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY GO BETWEEN.
WELL, I HAD A QUESTION JUST BASED ON WHAT VICE CHAIR TREZISE SAID ABOUT DEPENDING ON THE AGES IN REGARDS TO STAFFING.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CHILD CARE LICENSING THROUGH MY WORK IN THE SCHOOLS.
THE NUMBER OF STAFF DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND THE AGE.
BUT AS AGE GETS YOUNGER, THE STAFFING NEEDS TO GET HIGHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEPENDING ON THE STATE.
YEAH, STATE WILL REGULATE THAT WE DON'T.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE LETTER, THE HARD COPY LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED TALKED ABOUT THE EFFECT ON TRAFFIC, BUT IT INCLUDED A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT STAFF TRAFFIC WILL BE INCREASED BECAUSE OF THIS.
WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT THE EXISTING STAFFING WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE UPGRADE.
BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, YES, THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM STAFFING.
I ALSO DROVE BY THE SITE AND THEY HAVE A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY WITH A SHOULDER ON IT FOR A THIRD PERSON, AND IT'S DEEP ENOUGH SO THAT THEY CAN PROBABLY GET FOUR CARS OR FIVE CARS INTO THAT DRIVEWAY AT ONE TIME OUTSIDE THE GARAGE FOR PICK UP AND DROP OFF. IT'S GOT A LARGE PAD.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME ON TO THE MIC.
THE DRIVEWAY EXTENSION IS DEEP ENOUGH TO FIT TWO CARS ON THAT, PLUS THE TWO ON THE FRONT SO WE CAN HAVE POSSIBLY A TOTAL OF FIVE CARS ON THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF ALL AT ONCE.
SO THE STAFF ITSELF IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY MY MOTHER, WHICH IS THE THE APPLICANT AND THE SITUATION AS WELL AS MY DAD, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY LIVE IN THE IN THE HOME. SO THERE IS NO EXTRA TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THOSE BUSINESS HOURS OR EVEN AFTERWARDS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
COULD YOU DESCRIBE FOR US HOW MOST OF THE PICKUPS AND DROP OFFS HAPPEN? I KNOW THAT THE ROAD IS GOES TO A CUL DE SAC AND THEN ALSO HAS ANOTHER OPTION FOR LEAVING AND ENTERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT MOST OF THE CURRENT PICK UP AND DROP OFF SORT OF PATTERNS ARE AND HOW THOSE MIGHT CHANGE? I MEAN, WE'VE HAD CASES BEFORE WHERE CHILD CARE EXPANDS AND IT TENDS TO BE SIBLINGS, SO THERE'S NOT ANY MORE TRAFFIC.
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IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE HERE.AND MAYBE ALSO ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, IF YOU WOULD.
SO, YEAH, THE BUS STOP, ACTUALLY.
THE BUS STOP IS ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE OR DOWN HERE RIGHT BY.
I THINK IT'S JOE PASS AND COREY.
THAT'S WHERE THE BUS DROP IS FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY ARE TURNING THE LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO THE QUARRY ROAD.
NOW, THAT BEING SAID, MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT'S TWO PARENTS AT A TIME IS HOW WE HAVE IT SET UP CURRENTLY WHERE WE HAVE THE TWO VEHICLES AS WELL AS THE THIRD ONE. IN CASE A PARENT WANTS TO PICK UP THEIR KID EARLY OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN STILL KIND OF MOVE OUT OF THE WAY OR LIKE COME IN AND LEAVE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT'S SET UP CURRENTLY.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL. DID YOU ASK THEM A QUESTION? IT WAS ABOUT THE BUS STOP.
I WAS CURIOUS WHERE THAT WAS LOCATED.
SO, YEAH, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BUS STOP IS LIKE DOWN HERE QUITE A BIT AWAY.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
MY ONLY COMMENT IS AFTER LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE FACILITY, MY SON IS 46 YEARS OLD.
WILL YOU TAKE HIM? NO COMMENT.
I NOTICED THAT THE WITH THIS LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WAS SIGNED BY MULTIPLE RESIDENTS OF QUARRY ROAD, I DID TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST KIND OF LOCATE WHERE THEY ARE AT ON THE STREET.
AND MOST OF MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WHO SIGNED THIS LIVE ON THE CUL DE SAC, WHICH IS, I MEAN, A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE FROM WHERE THIS PROPOSED, WHERE THE DAYCARE IS GOING TO BE.
SO I JUST FOUND THAT INTERESTING.
AND ESPECIALLY NOW KNOWING WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE BUS STOP BEING A CONCERN.
AND THEN THE THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE ARE MORE NEAR WHERE THE APPLICANTS LIVE THERE, RIGHT NEXT TO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOME.
AND I THINK WE NEED AS A PARENT OF TWO YOUNG KIDS WHO'S LOOKED FOR CHILD CARE.
I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR CHILD CARE FACILITY AFTER SEEING THESE PICTURES.
AND SO I'M I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS ONCE AND WE DID HAVE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I THINK IT WAS SIX AND UNDER IN TERMS OF NUMBERS NEXT TO US.
BUT I KNOW SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY HAD THE ABILITY TO JUST WALK THEIR CHILDREN TO KNOW TO DAYCARE EITHER THROUGH A FENCE OR SOMETHING. SO THERE IS ARGUABLY FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES IN THE AREA, IT'S IT'S, AS I MENTIONED, A BIT OF AN AMENITY ACTUALLY OF CLOSE BY.
SO I THINK THERE IS IF YOU HAVE YOUNGER CHILDREN THAT NEED DAYCARE, IT IS A POSITIVE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHAT OUTWEIGHS OR WAY AT LEAST BALANCES THE CONCERN THAT MAYBE THERE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC THERE. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TRAFFIC.
WE'RE TALKING MAXIMUM SIX VEHICLES IN THE MORNING AND SIX IN THE EVENING.
SO AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S PERIODIC TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT CONTINUOUS ALL DAY LONG.
RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT WEEKEND, TYPICALLY.
SO, COMMISSIONER CORDILL, I SEEM TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS FOR THE STRAW POLL.
I HAPPEN TO LIVE ACROSS FROM A HOME THAT HAS UP TO 12 CHILDREN IN IT.
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EITHER. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO POINT OUT, TOO, THAT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND IN THE LATE AFTERNOON IS WITH BY PARENTS WHO BY DEFINITION HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE CAR.WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS ROCKETING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE CAREFUL DRIVERS.
AND ALSO, IF IT'S IF IT TENDS TO BE IF YOU'RE DRIVING IN A LOT OF CLIENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS IT REALLY INCREASED TRAFFIC? THESE PARENTS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK ALREADY.
VIVIAN, DO WE WANT TO CALL A STROKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SPEAK? YEAH. I SHOULD ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THEN WHY DON'T WE HAVE A STRAW VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE NEXT.
SO WE'LL CALL A STRAW VOTE, THEN.
I FAVOR. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER PREMOE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SUPPORT.
VERY GOOD. WE WILL VOTE ON THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD.
WHEN IS OUR NEXT MEETING? IT IS THE 11TH. 11, 14, 25TH, 25TH.
THANK YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
THERE APPEARS TO BE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
SO WE ARE NOW ON OTHER BUSINESS.
ITEM NINE. 25TH, I'M GOING TO BE ON VACATION.
CAN YOU COVER FOR ME? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CORNER CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE? YEAH. THANK YOU.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT MEETING EITHER.
YEAH, WE WON'T. I'LL BE IN TOUCH.
ENJOY YOUR. OR YOU COULD DIVORCE HIM AND BE HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST.
AND JASPER? I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE WAS THIS WHOLE THING GOING ON, AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS.
[9A. Text Amendment – RRA Deletion Discussion]
ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT.WE ARE NOW GOING TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER NINE, THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO RRA ALTERATION OR DELETION.
THIS IS THE NEXT SUBMITTAL WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE ZONING ORDINANCES IN LIGHT OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE CONSOLIDATE ZONING ZONING DISTRICTS.
TO THAT END, WE ELIMINATED THE RRR THE TRIPLE R DISTRICT THAT DIDN'T AFFECT ANYBODY'S ZONING.
THIS IS THE FIRST SUGGESTION THAT WOULD.
SIX OF THOSE PARCELS ARE THEY CAN HERE THERE WE GO OK HERE WE GO. OH THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
OC SIX OF THOSE PARCELS ARE RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU SEE WHERE THE CURSOR IS, THIS IS VAN ATTA ROAD.
OF THOSE SIX PARCELS, THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM ABOUT 6800 SQUARE FEET TO 2900 SQUARE FEET.
THERE'S ONE OTHER PARCEL OVER HERE ON CORNELL ROAD.
THIS IS ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO PARCELS HERE, THIS ONE ON THE CORNER.
THAT'S AN ERROR THAT HAS BEEN THAT WAS REZONE IN 2019 TO C ONE, I THINK, OR C TWO.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE PARCEL HERE THAT'S RR A.
NOW THE VAN ATTA PARCELS ARE LARGELY NON-CONFORMING FOR THE DOUBLE RAY ZONE.
WE BRING FIVE OF THEM INTO AT LEAST SIZE WISE INTO INTO CONFORMITY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT THAT POINT TO LEAVE ONE PARCEL OUT THERE.
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AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR CONFORMANCE, BUT IT HELPS AND BUT IT GETS RID OF A ZONING DISTRICT.IF YOU ARE IN INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS AS A FULL WRITE UP AND AN ANALYSIS, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU TONIGHT AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
WHAT ARE THE SIZE LIMITS OR IS FOR THE RRA . HOLD ON.
DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO.
AH, RRA HERE IT IS. RIGHT HERE.
MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR THE RRA IS 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I COULD GIVE YOU A TABLE SHOWING, BUT LIKE I SAID, FIVE OF THE SIX VAN ATTA PARCELS.
I THINK I'M MISSPEAKING. I THINK I'M MISSTATING MYSELF.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE VAN ATTA PARCELS.
WE WOULD BRING THOSE LOTS INTO CONFORMITY.
AS FAR AS LOT SIZE GOES, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CORNELL PROPERTY.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN CONFORMANCE EITHER WAY.
RIGHT. AND THE ALL THIS DOES IS AFFECT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, NOT THE MAXIMUM, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A MANSION OUT HERE ON THOSE FIVE LOTS THAT CONFORM TO THE RRA, EVEN IF IT WAS 20,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT PROHIBITING ANYBODY FROM BUILDING AS THEY WISH.
IT'S JUST GIVING THEM OPTIONS.
CORRECT. THAT, I THINK IS WORTH LOOKING AT ELIMINATING THE UNNECESSARY OK BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE IN A LOCATION THAT WOULD RESULT IN A. SUBDIVISION OF LARGE LOTS THAT MIGHT WANT THAT MINIMUM SIZE.
HOW DO I SAY THIS? THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DISTRICT THAT WOULD BRING THE MOST CONFORMANCE INTO IT? YEAH. THANKS.
THANK YOU. IF BRINGING, CHANGING THAT BRINGS FIVE HOUSES.
HOW DID THEY GET OUT OF CONFORMANCE TO BEGIN WITH? I WASN'T HERE. I DON'T KNOW.
OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S JUST THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS I LOOKED AT THAT AND IT WAS SORT OF A SO WHAT I MEAN, IT'S ARE THERE 15 PARAGRAPHS THAT WE'RE GETTING RID OF? I MEAN, IS THAT ARE WE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE, BUT IT'S IT'S THREE OR FOUR PAGES OF TEXT.
WHAT I MEAN, TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE OF DOING IT OR NOT DOING IT.
THIS WOULD REMOVE THAT BURDEN FROM THEM.
JUST OFFHAND, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE ZONING STATUS IS OF THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THE OLD WALNUT HILLS GOLF COURSE? ANYWAY, SO.
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IT IS A VERY LARGE HOUSE, BUT IT IS ONE HOUSE.THEY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FAMILY DOES HAVE PLANS TO BUILD AT LEAST ONE MORE HOUSE POTENTIALLY.
BUT ON THAT GOLF COURSE, THERE IS NO PLANS FOR ANY SORT OF SUBDIVISION OF ANY SORT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE ZONE IS THAT THAT HOUSE IS BEING BUILT IN.
PULL IT UP RIGHT HERE FOR YOU REAL QUICK.
IF I CAN REMEMBER HOW THIS WORKS.
YEAH. MOST OF IT'S OWN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, THE FRONT OF IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED RAA.
IT USED TO BE A HOUSE THERE FRONTING ON LAKE LANCING ROAD AT THE FRONT OF IT.
THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO THIS DISCUSSION.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH ONE HOUSE ON IT.
IT IS WONDERING WHAT THE STATE.
WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY. I SAID IT'S GOING TO BE AN ESTATE.
I THINK AN INTERESTING WAY OUT OF A DILEMMA.
YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CORDILL. I THINK THAT THIS PROPOSAL SHOULD BE PURSUED.
OKAY. I'LL BRING IT OVER FOR ME.
DO WE NEED A FORMAL COUNT OR VOTE ON THAT? NO, I AGREE.
I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH. ANYTIME YOU CAN ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES AND BRING THOSE INTO CONFORMANCE THAT WE'RE NON CONFORMING, IT SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? THE LANGUAGE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
JUST TO ELIMINATE THE SECTION AND REZONE.
I MEAN, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WORST THAT HAPPENS? YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION THAT NIGHT.
YEAH, WE CAN. WE CAN WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO ANYBODY ELSE? YES. AUGUST 8TH, OK IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU CALLED IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING AS OPPOSED TO ONE WHERE THERE IS AN OUTSIDE APPLICANT.
IS THAT THE MEANING OF THAT TERM? THAT IS CORRECT. INITIATE.
I WILL BEGIN INITIATING CONTACT TOMORROW.
SO CONTACT IS ASKING THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS OR HOW DOES THAT.
YEAH, I WILL. I'LL I'LL CALL AND EXPLAIN.
IT'S NOT INCREASING YOUR ASSESSMENT.
IT'S GIVING YOU ASSURANCE THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS STILL BUILDABLE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
YEAH, YEAH. IT'S I DON'T ACTUALLY THIS IS JUST VARIABILITY FOR, FOR THEM.
I'M SORRY. IT'S INCREASING THE VIABILITY OF.
AND THAT'S THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN OUR CHURCH.
ALL RIGHT, THEN. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW ON ITEM TEN, WHICH IS TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.
[10A. Township Board update.]
THIS IS UP HERE AND I APOLOGIZE.THAT'S A CLIFF NOTES OUT FOR THIS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS VERY BUSY.
SO NOW THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS VERY BUSY.
SO TOMORROW NIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING FOR HAS A VILLAGE SQUARE FINAL ADOPTION ON THE DEC AMENDMENT FOR PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT'S INTRODUCTION TO THE MUNICIPAL SIGNAGE AMENDMENT, SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FOUR JAGGER HOMES ON HULETT ROAD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE BOARD BUSY FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE WHILE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS HERE WHILE THEY WORK THROUGH THE BACKLOG OF ITEMS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PUSH FORWARD. I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM.
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MAYBE RELATED QUESTION.I APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF THE CODE VIOLATION REPORTS IN THE PACKET.
IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF TALL GRASS/VEGETATION IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT SOMETIMES A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SENDING IN COMPLAINTS AND OTHER TIMES THAT'S TOWNSHIP STAFF ARE NOTICING THINGS AS THEY GO AROUND.
ANY NOTION OF WHERE THE PENDULUM SWINGS ON THAT? A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF BEE THIS YEAR.
I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE COMPLAINTS WERE UP ABOUT 30% THROUGH MAY AND JUNE.
IT HAS TAPERED OFF NOT SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND HOWEVER, WHAT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S GOING TO SHOW UP IN THE NEXT SET OF REPORTS, BUT THE NEWEST THING WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT IS BRUSH AND TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OVERHANGING SIDEWALKS.
IT'S WE GOT PAST THE GRASS AND NOW WE'RE ON TO THE NEXT STEP.
I THINK READING THE TEA LEAVES, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT MISSED THEIR FIRST MOW RAIN STARTED THEN HITTING IN A WEIRD CYCLE AND YOU WERE GETTING IT TO WHERE IT WAS WET ON THE WEEKENDS SO PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO MOW ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GOT BEHIND.
THEY MISSED THEIR WINDOW. SO I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT THIS YEAR.
AND GRASS HAS BEEN BUSY WHEN THIS YEAR FOR HIM.
I HAVE A QUESTION. I FEEL LIKE I'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE.
MAYBE IT'S JUST DE JA VU DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF A PROGRAM AVAILABLE TO SENIORS AND ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE AGING IN THEIR HOMES WHERE IT'S DISCOUNTED LIKE LAWN SERVICE AT ALL? DO WE OFFER ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR DOES THE COUNTY REFERRAL PROGRAM? I'M CERTAIN THAT IF WE HAD THAT ISSUE, WE COULD PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH SOMEONE THROUGH MERIDIAN CARES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROBLEMS ARE NOT THAT.
THAT POPS UP ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR AND WE ACTUALLY WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
AND SO WE TRY TO PROACTIVELY HELP WHERE WE CAN.
GOTCHA. THANK YOU. HOW MANY OF THESE LITIGATED OR DO THE PEOPLE JUST SAY OKAY AND DEAL WITH IT? WE'VE GOTTEN MAYBE TWO THIS YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN UPSET THAT IT DID NOT GO TO LITIGATION.
THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK WE GAVE THEM ENOUGH TIME.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION, IT'S 12 INCHES.
[10B. Liaison reports.]
HOW ABOUT LIAISON REPORTS? CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY IS SCHEDULED TO MEET WEDNESDAY, JULY 20TH.IT SEEMED THAT LAST WEEK, AND MAINLY WHAT WE DID WAS WHAT WE DIDN'T DO THE MONTH BEFORE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, WHICH INVOLVED PAYING FOR SOME TEMPORARY SIGNS FOR CONSTRUCTION. AND WHEN WE MET IN JUNE, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO FUND A PORTION OF THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE COULDN'T PASS THAT.
SO WE DID ON LAST WEEK AND REIMBURSED THE VERY GENEROUS MR. WALSH WHO PAID FOR IT OUT OF HIS POCKET FOR THAT SERVICE OR THAT PRESENTATION.
WE DID GET AN UPDATE ON THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS.
YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.
I ATTENDED THE DDA MEETING THIS MORNING.
THE NOT MUCH OF GENERALIZED INTEREST.
THE THEIR ANNUAL REPORT WAS PREPARED AND IT'S ALL NUMBERS.
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I HAVE A COPY OF IT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN REVIEWING IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY DEAL REALLY VERY MUCH WITH DEVELOPMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.IT'S MOSTLY JUST FINANCIAL REPORTING.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WASN'T REALLY MUCH THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS BOARD.
ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THIS IS THE YEAR THAT WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE REVISING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE LANGUAGE IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT? NO, CERTAINLY THE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
AS I'VE STATED A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS YEAR, THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TO KICK IT OFF THIS FALL.
ONCE WE'VE TRIED TO GET SOME SEMBLANCE OF PAST COVID SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET GOOD PUBLIC INPUT.
AND SO WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD A PLAN OF ATTACK HERE PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING, HOPEFULLY.
OKAY. SO THAT'S STILL ON THE DOCKET? ABSOLUTELY. THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS FALL, WINTER AND THEN PROBABLY ADOPTION EARLY IN 2023.
IT'S LIKE IT KIND OF GOES IT'S CYCLICAL.
LIKE THE LAST ONE WAS MORE OF A MAJOR OVERHAUL.
CORRECT. THAT'S HOW WE ANTICIPATE IT.
CERTAINLY PEACE, KNOWING THAT THIS TIME WON'T BE REVISITING IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY, OR FOCUS ON UPDATING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT HAVE CHANGED IN FIVE YEARS.
FOCUS ON SPECIFIC AREAS OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO OF OUR MAJOR PIKA, WHICH WERE A FOCUS THAT WOULD BE THE HASLETT VILLAGE AS WELL AS DOWNTOWN LAKE OKEMOS, WHICH THERE ARE PLANS AND THERE'S STUFF GOING ON.
WHETHER THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS GOES THROUGH IS STILL QUESTIONABLE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE HASLETT PIKA IS GOING TO BE QUITE SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S MOVING FORWARD AS WE SPEAK.
WHEN THE FUTURE LAND USE COMMITTEE MET WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ISSUE AND ONE OF THE POSSIBLE WAYS TO MOVE FORWARD IS TO THINK ABOUT EITHER FOR THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PECOS THAT HAVE NOT YET SEEN THE REDEVELOPMENT OR FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SEEN MORE COMPREHENSIVE TO START LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE NEXT AREA ALONG.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, TO THE EAST ON THE HASLETT SIDE AND TO THE NORTH ON PERHAPS OKEMOS ROAD SIDE.
AND OF COURSE, THE THIRD ONE WE STILL HAVE TO GENERATE INTEREST IN.
AND AT THE EDC, WE DID DISCUSS THAT AS FAR AS POSSIBLY ADDING A DIFFERENT PIKA OF SOMEPLACE ELSE, MAYBE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE FIVE YEAR.
MAYBE IN THE COMMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.
I KNOW I CAN'T STRAIGHT AWAY, BUT WITH THE THESE REPORTS.
SO THE NEXT TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEEK OR THE 21ST.
I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN CELEBRATING AN ANNIVERSARY.
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING.
BUT ANYWAY, SO ON THE 21ST, I'LL BE IN GLACIER SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
I KNOW. LIKE YOSEMITE OR FLOODING SO FAR THEY SEEM TO BE DOING OKAY THERE WITH THAT.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT VERY CLOSELY.
DO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GO UP TO THE CANADIAN BORDER? THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BANFF AND JASPER, TOO.
VERY EXCITED. THAT'S WHY I SAID I MIGHT NOT COME HOME.
YEAH, YEAH, I'M SURE THAT'S FINE.
I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ALL DAY WITH YOU IN SPIRIT.
YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
MAYBE WE CAN MOVE IT. YEAH, I THINK THAT EVERYONE WOULD ENJOY THAT.
I THINK ITEM 11 ON THE AGENDA NEW.
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AND THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENCE FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.CHAIR WILL ACCEPT ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.