[00:00:53] ANYWAY, TIME TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THE[INAUDIBLE] FAIR ENOUGH. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT IS 6:00 AND WE WILL CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN TO ORDER. [1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER] FIRST ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WILL THOSE WHO ARE ABLE, PLEASE RISE AND JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ITEM THREE ON OUR AGENDA IS ROLL CALL. CLERK DEMAS PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. SUPERVISOR HENDRICKSON. HERE. CLERK DEMAS HERE. TREASURER BURGHARDT. TRUSTEE LENTZ. HERE. TRUSTEE SUNDLAND. HERE. TRUSTEE TREZISE. HERE. TRUSTEE WILSON HERE. SIX BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM FOUR PRESENTATIONS. [4. PRESENTATIONS] WE HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST UP IS A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR CORAL GABLES AND TO READ THE PROCLAMATION. WE HAVE TRUSTEE NICKOLAS LENTZ. TRUSTEE LENTZ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR. HENDRICKSON. I ASKED TO BE THE ONE TO PRESENT THIS TODAY, BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT ABOUT HALF MY LIFE WORKING IN LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN THIS AREA, AND I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO WAKE UP EARLY, BE THE FIRST ONE THERE TO MAKE THE SAUCE, MAKE THE DOUGH, MAKE, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE THE FOOD ORDERS AND YOU KNOW, AND ALSO BE ONE OF THE LAST ONES TO LEAVE. SO APPRECIATE THE MARK THAT YOU LEFT ON OUR COMMUNITY. SO WITHOUT ADO, I WILL READ THIS PROCLAMATION. EXCUSE ME. WHEREAS FOR NEARLY A CENTURY, THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2838 GRAND RIVER AVENUE HAS BEEN A GATHERING PLACE FOR RESIDENTS, STUDENTS, FACULTY, STAFF, AND VISITORS, CREATING LASTING MEMORIES AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE IDENTITY OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND THE GREATER LANSING REGION. AND WHEREAS, DURING ITS EARLY YEARS, THE ESTABLISHMENT SERVED AS ONE OF THE REGION'S PREMIER ROADHOUSES, WELCOMING MUSICIANS AND ENTERTAINERS FROM ACROSS THE NATION AND OFFERING AN ELEGANT DINING AND SOCIAL EXPERIENCE THAT DREW PATRONS FROM FROM THROUGHOUT MID-MICHIGAN. AND WHEREAS IN 1957, LOCAL RESIDENTS ENVISIONED A NEW FUTURE FOR THE PROPERTY AS A FAMILY OWNED RESTAURANT AND GATHERING PLACE, HOWEVER, A DEVASTATING FIRE SEVERELY DAMAGED THE BUILDING BEFORE THAT VISION COULD BE FULLY REALIZED. UNDETERRED, THE OWNERS REBUILT AND RESTORED THE FACILITY, ALLOWING CORAL GABLES TO REOPEN IN 1957 AND BEGIN A NEW CHAPTER IN ITS STORIED HISTORY. AND WHEREAS CORAL GABLES BECAME A BELOVED DESTINATION FOR THE MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY AND THE GREATER REGION, SERVING AS A PLACE WHERE FRIENDSHIPS WERE FORMED, BLIND DATES LED TO LIFELONG RELATIONSHIPS. CELEBRATIONS WERE HELD, TRADITIONS WERE CREATED, AND COUNTLESS MEMORIES WERE MADE. AND WHEREAS THE SUCCESS AND ENDURING LEGACY OF CORAL GABLES WERE MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE DEDICATION, HOSPITALITY OF, AND COMMITMENT OF THE TEACHERS VANESS AND KIM BURRUS FAMILIES WHOSE STEWARDSHIP HELPED MAKE THE RESTAURANT A CHERISHED LOCAL [00:05:10] INSTITUTION. AND WHEREAS THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP COMMUNITY ALSO HONORS THE MEMORY OF THE LATE ALEX VANESS, WHO COMBINED LEADERSHIP WITHOUT, EXCUSE ME, WITH GEORGE [INAUDIBLE] HELPING SHAPE CORAL GABLES INTO THE LANDMARK ESTABLISHMENT. AND. WHEREAS, AFTER DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WITH SECOND GENERATION FAMILY OWNERSHIP, CORAL GABLES CLOSED ITS DOORS ON JUNE 30TH, 2026, MARKING THE END OF AN ERA WHILE LEAVING BEHIND A LEGACY THAT WILL ENDURE FOR YEARS TO COME. AND WHEREAS THE OUTPOURING OF APPRECIATION, MEMORIES AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOLLOWING ITS ANNOUNCED CLOSURE DEMONSTRATES THE PROFOUND IMPACT CORAL GABLES HAS HAD ON THE LIVES OF SO MANY THROUGHOUT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND THE GREATER LANSING AREA. AND NOW, THEREFORE, LET IT BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP BOARD OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN HEREBY RECOGNIZES AND CELEBRATES THE HISTORIC LEGACY OF CORAL GABLES RESTAURANT AND ITS, AND EXTENDS ITS SINCERE GRATITUDE TO THE TEACHERS AND FAMILIES FOR THEIR DECADES OF SERVICE, HOSPITALITY, AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT CORAL GABLES SHALL BE REMEMBERED AS A LANDMARK GATHERING PLACE WHOSE HISTORY, TRADITIONS AND IMPACT ON GENERATIONS OF RESIDENTS, STUDENTS, FACULTY, STAFF AND VISITORS WILL REMAIN AN ENDURING PART OF THE STORY OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP [APPLAUSE]. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY WELL. WE CERTAINLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND AND WE WILL TRULY BE MISSED. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR MANY, MANY YEARS IN OPERATION. AND THERE'LL NEVER BE ANOTHER ONE LIKE YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ITEM 4.B, AN INTRODUCTION TO OUR NEW HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, MANAGER DEMPSEY. YEAH. GOOD EVENING, SUPERVISOR AND BOARD MEMBERS. AND BEFORE I INTRODUCE OUR NEW HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR, I ALSO LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO CORAL GABLES FOR, AGAIN ALL THE WORDS THAT WERE SAID ONLY SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF THE GREAT RESTAURANT THAT IT WAS. AND I SPENT MANY HOURS THERE MYSELF AND ENJOYED ALL OF IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. BUT IT IS MY PLEASURE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OUR NEW HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, ANGELA HELM. SHE ALSO GOES BY ANGIE, WHICH WE GREATLY APPRECIATE SINCE WE HAVE MULTIPLE. ANGELA'S HERE, SO IT HELPS DIFFERENTIATE. BUT ANGIE COMES TO US FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, MOST RECENTLY WITH THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, WHERE SHE WAS AN EMPLOYEE AND LABOR RELATIONS. SHE WAS IN SHE'S BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST DECADE AND PROGRESSIVELY MORE RESPONSIBLE POSITIONS. AND PRIOR TO THAT WAS ABOUT A DECADE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY AS WELL, SO FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES FROM THOSE DAYS AS WELL. SHE COMES TO US WITH HER MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY AND WENT THROUGH A GANTLET OF, YOU KNOW, 60 PLUS APPLICANTS TO GET THIS ROLE. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE HER. SHE'S JUMPED RIGHT IN. THE GREAT THING IS SHE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH, I THINK SEVEN, WELL, TECHNICALLY SIX BARGAINING UNITS, BUT I THINK SEVEN DIFFERENT CONTRACTS. SO IT LINES UP PERFECTLY WITH OUR SEVEN UNITS HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP. SO SHE BRINGS THOSE GREAT LABOR RELATIONS EXPERIENCE. SO WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HER. I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE HER AND I'LL LET HER SAY A FEW WORDS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MANAGER DEMPSEY. THANK YOU BOARD. IT'S MY THIRD WEEK AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BEEN GREAT. I'VE LEARNED A LOT. LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SUCH THE WARM WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME TO THE TEAM. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]. GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY NICE TO MEET YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELCOME AGAIN. NICE TO MEET YOU. NICE TO MEET YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS THE 2026 MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP COMPREHENSIVE WATER AND SEWER RATE STUDY, AND WE HAVE DEPUTY MANAGER OPSOMMER TO PRESENT ON THAT. GOOD EVENING. SUPERVISOR, HENDRICKSON AND BOARD MEMBERS. SO AS YOU ARE AWARE, IN EARLY 2026, THE TOWNSHIP DEVELOPED AND PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE RATE STUDY UPDATE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. [00:10:07] OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST 4 TO 5 MONTHS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, TETRA TECH, ON DEVELOPING THIS, AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE RATE STUDY TO YOU THIS EVENING AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON TETRA TECH. THEY HAVE COMPLETED RATE STUDIES FOR OVER 100 SYSTEMS IN MICHIGAN. THEY ARE ALSO A LONGTIME CONSULTANT OF ELMWSA, THE EAST LANSING MERIDIAN WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY. SO THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWNSHIP IN RESPECT TO OUR JOINT OWNERSHIP OF THE WERF WITH THE CITY OF EAST LANSING AND MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY. AND THEY HAVE ALSO RECENTLY DEVELOPED THE CURRENT RATE STUDY FOR THE CITY OF EAST LANSING. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM FROM TETRA TECH HERE TONIGHT. WE HAVE BRANT BOAD, RYAN PULLMAN AND VIC COOPER WASSER. AND VIC WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS IN WRITING THE EIGHTH EDITION OF THE AWWA MANUAL. JUST ONE FINAL BIT OF INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET. WE DID INCLUDE THE 2017 RATE STUDY, THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS COMPLETED FOR COMPARISON. THE RATE STUDY THAT WE ARE PRESENTING THIS EVENING IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS COMPLETED TO DATE. SO AS WE TRY TO DEAL WITH THE IMPACTS OF INFLATION IN THIS POST-PANDEMIC WORLD WE HAVE DONE A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL THE FINANCES AND COMPILED THE PROPOSED RATES THAT YOU WILL SEE THIS EVENING. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO VIC TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL. THANKS, DAN. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS VIC KUPERWASSER FROM TETRA TECH. I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER, AND NEXT MONTH I WILL BE CELEBRATING MY 50TH YEAR WITH TETRA TECH. AND ONE OF MY SPECIALTIES IS WATER, SEWER AND STORM WATER RATE STUDIES. SO THE AGENDA IS WE HAVE THE RATE STUDY TEAM, THE IMPORTANCE OF SUSTAINING INFRASTRUCTURE. TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST DOING A RATE UPDATE AND A RATE STUDY RATE STABILIZATION. THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED RATES. WHAT THE BILL ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE REGIONAL COMPARISON. AND THEN ALSO THE NEW CUSTOMER CONNECTION FEES. WE INCLUDED CALCULATIONS FOR THAT AS WELL. SO HERE'S THE LIST OF THE TEAM FROM MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THEY SPENT IN PROVIDING AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF DATA TO US IN A TIMELY FASHION. SO THE NEED TO SUSTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE, HERE ARE SOME WATER MAINS GOING BACK 200 A.D. IN TURKEY. SO THEY HAD WATER MAINS BACK THEN. AND I DON'T THINK THAT SYSTEM IS OPERATING ANYMORE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS GO BACK WAY A LONG TIME. THIS FLINT SEWAGE MAIN IS 100 YEARS OLD. AND THE PROBLEM IS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S BURIED. YOU DON'T SEE IT. IT'S OLD. HAS TO BE SUSTAINED. SO ASSET LIFE, ASSET LIFE. YOU HAVE THIS LONG HONEYMOON BECAUSE THESE ASSETS HAVE A LONG LIFE. AND THE ASSET LIFE IS BECOMING MORE VISIBLE AS WE ENTER MULTI-DECADE USE OF THE SYSTEM. SO IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS COMMUNITIES TO MAINTAIN AND SUSTAIN THESE INFRASTRUCTURES. IT'S KIND OF LIKE INHERITING YOUR OLD GRANDFATHER'S 1957 OLDSMOBILE. YOU HAVE THIS GREAT OLD CAR, BUT IT COSTS A LOT TO MAINTAIN IT, TO KEEP IT RUNNING. AND REGARDING ALSO IN TERMS OF SUSTAINING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PAST MONTH, YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE INCIDENTS OF CYBER ATTACKS, WATER SYSTEMS AROUND THE COUNTRY. I GOT A CALL FROM A SYSTEM IN WYOMING ON MONDAY SAYING THEIR WHOLE SYSTEM WAS WIPED OUT AND NEEDED EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE TO GET THEIR SCADA SYSTEM REDONE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM IN TODAY'S WORLD THAT WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR. THAT REALLY WASN'T ON THE HORIZON 30 YEARS AGO. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RATE UPDATE AND A RATE STUDY? A RATE UPDATE IS SIMPLY TAKING THE CURRENT RATES AND THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE AND SIMPLY SAYING, [00:15:07] WE NEED 3% MORE IN REVENUE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE ALL THE RATES BY 3%. AND THAT'S A RATE UPDATE. THAT IS NOT A RATE STUDY. SO RATE UPDATE DOES NOT REVIEW THE EXISTING RATE STRUCTURE. AND IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH EFFORT TO DO THAT. AND THE BILL PERCENTAGES USUALLY DON'T VARY WIDELY. SO IF YOU HAVE A FIXED CHARGE AND IF YOU HAVE A COMMODITY CHARGE, IF YOU RAISE THEM ALL BY 3%, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYBODY'S BILL IS GOING TO GO UP EXACTLY BY 3%, BUT APPROXIMATELY. WITH THE RATE STUDY, WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE MATHEMATICAL BASIS BEHIND EACH BILLING UNIT. SO BILLING UNITS COULD BE YOU COULD HAVE A BILLING CHARGE, YOU COULD HAVE A READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE, COMMODITY CHARGE. AND WE EVALUATE THE NUMBER OF METER SIZES IN YOUR SYSTEM AND THE USAGE. AND WE LOOK AT USAGE TRENDS OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS OF BILLABLE FLOW. AND AS YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN STEADY DECREASES IN BILLABLE FLOW DUE TO A MORE EFFICIENT PLUMBING FIXTURES. ALSO, WHAT MIGHT BE IMPACTING THIS MIGHT BE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD. SO IF THAT IS TRENDING DOWN, THAT COULD IMPACT IT AS WELL, AS WELL AS POPULATION CHANGES. JUST WORKED WITH A CLIENT THAT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THIS, THEIR COMMENT TO ME WAS, WE CANNOT USE THIS YEAR'S BILLABLE FLOW TO CALCULATE THE COMMODITY CHARGE FOR NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE IF WE DO THAT AND THE BILLABLE FLOW IS LESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN EVERY YEAR IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, OUR REVENUE ISN'T GOING TO BE ADEQUATE. AND SO WHAT THEY DID IN THEIR CASE IS THEY LOOKED AT BILLABLE FLOW FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AT THE FIVE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVED, AND THEY CHERRY PICKED AND PICKED THE LOWEST BILLABLE FLOW FROM EACH COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS AND SAID, THEORETICALLY, THIS COULD BE THE LOW BILLABLE, BILLABLE FLOW NEXT YEAR. AND THEY USE THAT NUMBER. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS IN A IN A RATE STUDY, YOU IDENTIFY ALL OF YOUR EXPENSES, YOUR OWN O&M EXPENSES, AS WELL AS YOUR FIXED EXPENSES AND TRY TO RATIONALIZE RECOVERING THOSE EXPENSES, EITHER BY A FIXED CHARGE OR A SERVICE CHARGE OR A COMMODITY CHARGE. NOW, WHENEVER YOU CHANGE A RATE STRUCTURE, IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CHANGE OF THE RATE STRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE BILL ADJUSTMENTS THAT MAY VARY VERY WIDELY. BUT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS IT PRETTY STEADY IN TERMS OF BILL ADJUSTMENTS. NOW RATE STABILIZATION IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAVE ADEQUATE RESERVES. FOR EXAMPLE A WORKING CAPITAL CAPITAL RESERVE TYPICALLY OF 25% IS USED AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE THEORETICAL, A SITUATION WHERE, LET'S SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY REVENUE FOR THREE MONTHS. HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, A COUPLE ANTICIPATING A JOB LOSS. WE WANT SIX MONTHS OF INCOME IN THE BANK. SO YOU HAVE A RATE STABILIZATION. I'M SORRY, WORKING CAPITAL FUND MIGHT BE 25% OF YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES. PRETTY TYPICAL. OTHER RESERVE FUNDS YOU COULD ESTABLISH IS RATE STABILIZATION, WHICH IS A FUND THAT YOU COULD DRAW FROM. IF YOU'RE SEEING THAT YOU HAVE A REVENUE THAT ISN'T MEETING UP TO EXPECTATIONS. SO YOU CAN DRAW FROM THAT TO STABILIZE RATES AND AVOID BIG SPIKES IN RATES. IN CASE OF OUR EXAMPLE HERE, WE LOOKED AT YOUR UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE AND PROJECTED TO MAINTAIN THAT THE, THAT IT DOES NOT GO BELOW 25% OF THE OPERATING BUDGET IN EACH UTILITY. AND WE DON'T COME NEAR THAT IN THIS RATE STUDY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE TWO DIFFERENT FEES IS THE READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE. AND THERE'S A COMMODITY CHARGE. SO THERE ARE TWO EXTREMES. ON ONE EXTREME YOU COULD SAY WE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE A FIXED CHARGE FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH MEANS THE SMALLEST USER AND [00:20:06] FORD MOTOR COMPANY ARE GOING TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT PER QUARTER, WHICH IS NOT RATIONAL. ON THE OTHER EXTREME IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A COMMODITY CHARGE, NO FIXED CHARGE. AND WITH JUST A COMMODITY CHARGE, YOU TAKE THE ALL YOUR COSTS DIVIDED BY THE BILLABLE FLOW RATE PER 1000 GALLONS AND YOU'RE DONE. I HAD A CLIENT 30 YEARS AGO IN HAMPTON ROADS DISTRICT IN VIRGINIA, SERVING, I DON'T KNOW, A MILLION CUSTOMERS. AND THAT'S HOW HE DID HIS RATES. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE CERTAIN FIXED COSTS THAT ARE THERE REGARDLESS OF USAGE IN THE SAME WAY. IF YOU'RE NOT HOME FOR A MONTH, YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY YOUR MORTGAGE. YOU HAVE CERTAIN FIXED COSTS THAT ARE THERE. IN THE CASE OF THE GREAT LAKES WATER AUTHORITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH SERVES I DON'T KNOW, 80 COMMUNITIES WITH WATER AND THE MICHIGAN AND MICHIGAN, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY USE A COMPLICATED FORMULA TO CALCULATE THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT FROM EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. AND THEN WHAT THEY DO IS THEY COLLECT THAT REVENUE BASED ON A FIXED FEE OF 60% OF THE TOTAL THAT THE COMMUNITY PAYS EVERY MONTH. AND THEN THE 40% BALANCE IS FROM A COMMODITY CHARGE. SO 60% IN THAT CASE IS RECOVERED BY A FIXED CHARGE. SO WHEN YOU SERVE CHARGE IS RECOVERS THESE FIXED COSTS. YOU COULD ALSO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A BILLING CHARGE A FIXED BILLING CHARGE DIRECTED JUST TO RECOVER THE COST THAT PER BILL. AND THAT'S A CHARGE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT REGARDLESS OF USAGE. DOESN'T COST ANY MORE TO PREPARE A BILL FOR $100 AS $1,000, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT'S ANOTHER FIXED CHARGE THAT COULD BE ESTABLISHED. IT'S NOT PROPOSED IN THIS RATE STUDY. AND THEN THE COMMODITY CHARGE IS VARIABLE, AND IT'S TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THE CUSTOMER USES. SO CURRENT AND PROPOSED WATER AND SEWER RATES. THE CURRENT, TALKING ABOUT FOCUSING ON THE BASE CUSTOMER, THE SMALLEST CUSTOMER IN YOUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM THERE. FIVE INCH BY THREE QUARTER INCH METER. CURRENTLY, THAT CUSTOMER FOR WATER WOULD PAY $12 A QUARTER, AND WE PROPOSE INCREASING THAT TO 21.45. THE COMMODITY CHARGE IS CURRENTLY $7.83 FOR WATER, AND WE PROPOSE REDUCING THAT TO $7.36. SEWER. THE CURRENT FIXED CHARGE IS $12 FOR SEWER. YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE $12 FOR SEWER IS THE SAME AS THE $12 FOR WATER. AND UNLESS YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, A STUDY THAT BACKS THAT UP, IT WOULD BE HARD TO EXPLAIN. DEFEND. WELL, HOW DID YOU CALCULATE $12? YOU KNOW, THE, THE, A LOT OF TIMES THE QUESTION IS NOT SO MUCH ARE THE CALCULATIONS AND THE PROPOSED RATE STRUCTURE ACCURATE? THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT DO WE HAVE TODAY AND HOW CAN WE DEFEND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY? DAY. SO $12 ALSO FOR SEWER FOR SEWER COMMODITY CHARGES, CURRENTLY $7.96. AND WE PROPOSE TO RAISE THAT TO $8.90 PER THOUSAND GALLONS. SO FOR THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY QUARTER BILL USES 12,500 GALLONS PER QUARTER. CURRENTLY, IT'S ABOUT $221, AND THAT WOULD INCREASE TO $242, ABOUT A 9.8% INCREASE. OWING TO THE EFFICIENCY OF OF YOUR STAFF AND THE SYSTEM. IT'S INTERESTING TO COMPARE THAT BILL TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED QUARTERLY BILL IS LESS THAN ALL OF THEM. EAST LANSING, DELTA TOWNSHIP, LANSING MASON AND GRAND LEDGE. AND THAT $242. WHAT IT WORKS OUT TO IS WHEN YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER AND DIVIDE IT BY 12,500 GALLONS, IT WORKS OUT THAT THE COST TO DELIVER ONE GALLON OF WATER, AND THEN TO TAKE THAT GALLON OF WATER AND TREAT IT. SEWAGE PLANT IS ABOUT LESS, LESS THAN ABOUT 6/10 OF A CENT PER GALLON. NOW, IF WE FOCUS JUST ON THE FIXED CHARGES AND COMPARE. THE PROPOSED MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP ONES TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, WHAT. [00:25:03] YOU'LL SEE THAT IN ALL CASES THE. THE FIXED CHARGE, EVEN THE CURRENT AND THE PROPOSED IS LESS THAN ALL THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. OFTEN SIGNIFICANTLY. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT. LET ME GO BACK A SECOND IF I CAN. WHAT THAT MEANS IS FOR THE PROPOSED $242, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIXED CHARGE COMPARED TO THE TOTAL BILL CURRENTLY, THE FIXED CHARGE WORKS OUT TO BE AT ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL BILL UNDER THE PROPOSED METHODOLOGY. IT WOULD BE ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL BILL, THE FIXED PORTION. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN THE CASE OF GREAT LAKES WATER AUTHORITY, THEY RECOVER 60% OF THE CHARGES FROM A FIXED PORTION. THAT'S TO HELP ENSURE THE SUSTAINABILITY AND TO BE LESS DEPENDENT ON USAGE. SO IN TERMS OF READINESS TO SERVE, MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP IS LOWER THAN ALL OF THEM, AND THOSE PERCENTAGES FOR THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE HIGHER THAN THE 20% THAT I'VE JUST MENTIONING REGARDING THE COMMODITY CHARGE. I THINK JUST EAST LANSING IS, IS LOWER THAN THE PROPOSED COMMODITY CHARGE. DOESN'T MEAN THAT EAST LANSING BILL IS LOWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE RATE OF SERVICE CHARGE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE COMMODITY CHARGE IS LOWER. BUT IN THE CASE OF ALL THE OTHERS MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP IS LOWER ON THE COMMODITY AS WELL. NOW, ANOTHER THING WE INVESTIGATED WAS NEW CUSTOMER CONNECTION CHARGES. TECHNICAL WORD FOR THAT IS SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES. AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION DOESN'T HAVE A MANUAL ON THAT. BUT WE'RE WORKING ON ONE NOW CALLED M85. BE OUT IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE THIS ISSUE OF WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION CHARGES HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF TENSION, ATTENTION, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF LAWSUITS REGARDING, A NEW CUSTOMER CONNECTION CHARGES. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE EVALUATE AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE CURRENT CONNECTION CHARGES CAN BE JUSTIFIABLY INCREASED OR, OR, OR CAN YOU JUSTIFY THEM. AND OUR CALCULATIONS SHOWED THAT BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS AND, YOU KNOW, WATER IS 65 MILLION SEWERS, 105 MILLION. WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THAT YOU COULD JUSTIFY, JUSTIFY INCREASING THE WATER CONNECTION FEE FROM 2685 FOR THE BASE METER TO 2930. AND FOR SEWER, YOU COULD GO FROM 4192 TO 5002. YOU COULD JUSTIFY THAT IF YOU WANT. AND THAT REPRESENTS AN INCREASE IN REVENUE OF $1,000 PER CONNECTION. SO THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION. WELCOME. ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS. THIS IS ONE OF OUR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED AS ONE OF OUR GOALS OF THE YEAR WAS TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE FINANCIALLY. YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE FOR OUR CONSULTANT TEAM AT TETRA TECH OR PERHAPS FOR DEPUTY MANAGER OPSOMMER, WHO OF COURSE WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH THEM ON ON THIS PROJECT? TRUSTEE TREZISE. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE READY TO USE CHARGE OR DID THAT COVERS ALL OF THE FIXED COSTS? NOT NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S. NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S REALLY A JUDGMENT CALL BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LIST OUT ALL OF YOUR EXPENSES AND THEN LOOK AT EACH EXPENSE AND SAY, WELL, IS THIS REALLY A FIXED EXPENSE OR IS IT SHOULD IT BE RECOVERED BY COMMODITY OR FIXED? IS IT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH? IT'S KIND OF LIKE A JUDGMENT CALL FOR EACH LINE ITEM. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED IN THE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS. SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY RECOVER ALL THE FIXED COSTS. IT'S QUITE CONCEIVABLE THAT INSTEAD OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHERE WHERE THE FIXED CHARGE RECOVERS ABOUT 20% YOU COULD EASILY GO THROUGH THAT LIST OF EXPENSES AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT GREAT LAKES WATER USES 60%. YOU COULD LOOK AT EACH ITEM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS FIXED, THIS IS FIXED, THIS IS FIXED, AND INCREASE THAT PERCENTAGE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL INVOLVED. IN THAT CASE, THE USAGE FEE, THE PER GALLON WOULD GO DOWN, I ASSUME. [00:30:02] YEAH. IF YOU INCREASE IF YOU RECOVER MORE OF THE EXPENSES FROM THE READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE, THEN THE REMAINING EXPENSES, WHICH WOULD GO DOWN MEANS THAT YOU'D HAVE A LOWER COMMODITY IT'S EXACTLY TRUE. SO IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FINAL NUMBER, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S REASONABLE TO COVER ALL THE EXPENSES. SOME OF IT GETS ALLOCATED TO THE READY TO SERVE. SOME OF IT GETS ALLOCATED TO THE USAGE. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS. TRUSTEE WILSON. I READ IN THE REPORT ON PAGE 12 THAT RATE STABILIZATION CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF NECESSARY ANNUAL RATE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS ON ITS FACE AND SAW A 78% INCREASE IN WATER RATE AND A 50% INCREASE IN SEWER RATE, THAT'S A BIG PILL FOR THE SMALLEST USER. THAT'S A BIG PILL TO SWALLOW FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS AN INCREMENTAL SPACED OUT INCREASE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO A FULL FIVE YEARS WITHOUT ANOTHER INCREASE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT COST BE SPREAD. I'M SORRY THAT CHARGE BE SPREAD A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN DOING IT AS A VERY IMPACTFUL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL CHARGE IN ONE SWOOP. CAN YOU, CAN YOU MAYBE TALK TO WHY IT WAS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AN UPFRONT, LARGER CHANGE COMPARED TO A SPREADING OF THAT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE IS, AND WE LOOKED AT THIS AS ON A ONE YEAR BASIS, BUT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE IS THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS AND HAVE SAID, WHAT FUNDS COULD WE EXPECT TO BE IN UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE OR RATE STABILIZATION FUND, SO THAT WE COULD DRAW FROM THAT EACH YEAR AND ACHIEVE A CERTAIN FIXED PERCENTAGE INCREASE EACH YEAR. SO FOR EXAMPLE WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THEY SAID, OKAY, WE SHOW US, SHOW US WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE IF WE SIMPLY HAD A SINGLE INCREASE IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN 0% THE FOLLOWING FOUR YEARS. SHOW US WHAT IT WOULD BE IN EACH YEAR, JUST BASED ON THE PROJECTED INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS FOR THOSE YEARS. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE. AND THE THIRD WAY IS TO SAY DRAW FROM THE RATE STABILIZATION FUND SO THAT IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT THE PROJECTED INCREASE IN EACH EACH YEAR STAYS THE SAME, MAYBE 5% A YEAR, 6%, WHATEVER IT WORKS OUT TO BE. BUT IT'S THE SAME. SO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE SORT OF ANALYZES CAN BE DONE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT TO WEIGH WHETHER THE FUND BALANCE, UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE FALLS BELOW THE 25% REQUIREMENT THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED HERE. WE USE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO, I THINK, ON YOUR GENERAL FUND. BUT BUT BESIDES THAT 25% WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL KIND OF A WORKING CAPITAL RESERVE, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER RESERVES THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY RESERVE FUNDS THAT THAT COULD JUSTIFY RAISING THAT UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE. THERE IS THE WORKING CAPITAL RESERVE. THAT'S 25% OF OPERATING. YOU COULD HAVE A CAPITAL RESERVE FOR EMERGENCIES. YOU COULD HAVE A RATE STABILIZATION RESERVE. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHERS. A WAWWA HAS DONE A SEPARATE STUDY ON A CASH RESERVE POLICY. AND I CAN SEND YOU A COPY OF THAT REPORT. SO YEAH, THAT SORT OF ANALYSIS COULD BE DONE, BUT IT WAS NOT DONE AS PART OF THIS STUDY. I UNDERSTAND. I WANT. SORRY. IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE MOVE FROM THAT POINT. I THINK THE OTHER PORTION OF TRUSTEE WILSON'S QUESTION, WHICH I ALSO SHARE, IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE READY TO SERVE IN THE FIRST YEAR FOR WATER, FOR EXAMPLE, GOES FROM 12 TO 21, 45. IS THAT, IS THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT? THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE RTS FEE IN THE FIVE YEARS THAT YOU STUDIED? NO. OR WOULD THERE BE INCREASES EACH YEAR FOLLOWING THAT? NO. THERE WOULD BE ADJUSTMENT EACH YEAR DEPENDING ON WHICH COSTS HAVE TO BE RECOVERED EACH YEAR. YOU MAY HAVE YEARS WHERE IT'S THE READINESS TO SERVE OR THE COMMODITY CHARGE IS PROJECTED TO GO DOWN. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY HAVE WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A DEBT SERVICE THAT'S FALLING OFF AFTER TWO YEARS AND THAT DEBT SERVICE WAS INCLUDED, [00:35:06] LET'S SAY, IN THE READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE FOURTH YEAR. AND LO AND BEHOLD, THE SERVICE CHARGE FOR THAT COMMUNITY GOES DOWN IN THAT YEAR. I'D LIKE TO ADD TO. SO SUPERVISOR, SUPERVISOR HENDRICKSON AND TRUSTEE WILSON, TO ADD TO THAT, JUST SOME CONTEXT ON WHY ARE RATES INCREASING, RIGHT? IN 2017, WE HAD, WELL, PRIOR TO 2017, WE RECEIVED A SOAR GRANT. SO WE TELEVISED EXTENSIVE PORTIONS OF THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM. WE INVENTORIED ALL THE ASSETS AND WE ALSO PRODUCED REPORTS AND STUDIED WHAT ASSETS NEED TO BE REPLACED ON WHAT CYCLES. TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE, THE FOREST HILLS LIFT STATION WAS IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING TO BE REPLACED. THAT LIFT STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1964 TO SERVE THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD. IN OCTOBER OF 2017, WE FORECASTED THAT THE REPLACEMENT COST WAS 480 000. WE JUST CONCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT REPLACEMENT AND FOUND THAT THE TRUE COST WAS JUST SHY OF 1.2 MILLION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONTENDING WITH. IT'S COMPOUNDED BY KIND OF A SINS OF OUR FATHERS SITUATION WHERE OUR RATES AREN'T COMPETITIVE. I MEAN, WE ARE IN THAT BOTTOM 3 TO 5 PERCENTILE STATEWIDE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE WATER SIDE, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE WE'RE IN A WORSE POSITION IN TERMS OF ASSET REPLACEMENT. WE HAVE AROUND 210 MILES OF WATER MAIN. WE'RE REPLACING AROUND 0.22. I THINK MILES ANNUALLY. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US, YOU KNOW, 800 YEARS TO REPLACE THE SYSTEM. SO WE ARE NOT ON A YOU KNOW, OUR MAINS ARE NOT GOING TO LAST FOR THAT LIFE CYCLE. RIGHT? SO JUST LIKE THE LOCAL ROAD PROGRAM WITH THIS STUDY, WHAT WE DID IS LOOKED AT HOW COULD WE BUILD UP OVER DECADES? NOT OVERNIGHT, NOT IN THREE YEARS, BUT OVER DECADES. FORECASTING OUT TO 2050 TO WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY GET ON A 100 YEAR LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY SYSTEMS ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE. THE BOARD OF WATER AND LIGHT IS MOVING TOWARDS THIS TARGET. THEY'RE AT THEIR TARGET IS OUR TARGET WOULD BE TWO MILES A YEAR OR AROUND 2.1 MILES WOULD BE OUR TARGET FOR A 100 YEAR SYSTEM REPLACEMENT CYCLE. THE BOARD OF WATER AND LIGHT NEEDS TO HIT EIGHT MILES, THEY'RE AT ABOUT SIX. SO THEY'RE THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY RIGHT THERE, 75% TOWARDS THEIR GOAL. WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR OUR GOAL. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A YOUNGER SYSTEM, BUT WE DO HAVE MAINS FROM THE 50S AND 60S. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYSTEM WAS CONSTRUCTED DURING THE HOUSING BOOM HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP. RIGHT, WHICH IS 60S-70S, 80S. SO AS WE LOOK OUT TO 2050, TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT, WHAT WE DID IN THE CAPITAL OR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THIS RATE STUDY IS WE LOOKED AT IF WE INCREASE OUR REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER SYSTEM BY 8% EACH YEAR, WHAT YEAR WOULD WE LAND AT OUR GOAL? AND WE WOULD LAND AT OUR GOAL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2047 AND 2050. THAT IS WHEN WE WOULD START REPLACING THE WATER SYSTEM ON A 100 YEAR LIFE CYCLE. SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BUILT INTO ALL THIS, RIGHT? BUT WE, WE DIDN'T PRESENT THE FORECAST BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY A FORECAST. THE NUMBERS FOR 28 AND BEYOND ARE GOING TO CHANGE. SO IT'S NOT WORTH DWELLING OVER THE EXACT FIGURES IN OUR FORECAST. HOWEVER WE DO FORECAST, YOU KNOW, RATE INCREASES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 5 TO 10%. WE COULD SMOOTH THAT AS VIC REFERENCED, THAT COULD BE 7.5% EVERY YEAR. BUT THAT'S YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS TO ASSUME WHAT THE RATE INCREASE IS. AND THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IS YOU HAVE TO ASSUME A VERY SPECIFIC CUSTOMER. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SHOULD USE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15,000 GALLONS A QUARTER. SO WE TYPICALLY DO 12.5 THOUSAND GALLONS FOR A QUARTER, RIGHT? SO THE 9.8% INCREASE THAT YOU SAW ON THE SLIDES THIS EVENING. THAT IS ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH 12.5 THOUSAND GALLONS OF USE PER QUARTER. BUT THE RATE INCREASE IS VARIABLE DEPENDING ON THE END USER, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S UP TO THEM AND HOW THEY USE THEIR WATER. BUT THAT INFLATION. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WHEN OUR COST TO REPLACE THE SYSTEM DOUBLES OR IN SOME CASES TRIPLES. [00:40:08] WE CAN'T GET OUT OF THAT OVERNIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF SYSTEMS, THE BOARD HAS BEEN DOING THE BOARD OF WATER AND LIGHT HAS BEEN DOING 9% INCREASES EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. WE ALSO PURCHASE WATER FROM THE BOARD. AND SO WHEN WE PURCHASE THEIR WATER, WE'RE SUBJECT TO THEIR RATE INCREASES FOR OUR SOUTH PRESSURE ZONE TWO. SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF OVERNIGHT. IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH INCREMENTALLY YEAR TO YEAR. BUT FOR EVERY YEAR THAT WE DON'T DO AN INCREASE OR, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERY YEAR THAT WE DON'T DO AN INCREASE, WE'RE PUTTING THAT MUCH MORE PRESSURE IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, RIGHT TO MAKE IT UP. SO THE STEADY INCREMENTAL APPROACH IS GOING TO BE WHAT SUSTAINS US. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE FORECASTING, YOU KNOW, NOT HITTING TEN. AND WE ARE USING FUND BALANCE TO STAY BELOW 10% TO STABILIZE FOR TWO YEARS TO START. TRUSTEE WILSON. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF OUR FUND BALANCE FOR THIS RIGHT NOW? VERY HEALTHY. WE'RE AROUND LIKE 6.4 MILLION ON WATER. AND VIC, DO YOU REMEMBER OFFHAND? I DON'T REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW, RYAN. IF I HAVE THEM WITH ME SO I CAN PULL THEM UP. IS THAT DAN? AS A PERCENTAGE OF PERCENTAGE. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT. SURE. SO FUND BALANCES FOR WATER AND SEWER AT THE END OF THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR, 6.8 FOR SEWER FOR JUST UNDER 4.1 FOR WATER. AND THEN FOR TODAY, OUR NET EXPENSES ON THE SEWER SIDE. SO IT'S BASICALLY 9.1 MILLION WITH 60 SOMETHING PERCENT. YEP. AND THE OTHER CALCULUS HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE AND WEIGH IS THAT WE DO HAVE OUR SERVICE CENTER. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1988. IT HAS NEVER BEEN EXPANDED AS THE TOWNSHIP HAS GROWN. AND ASIDE FROM THE LOBBY AND REPLACING THE CARPETING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT HAS NEVER BEEN RENOVATED IN ANY WAY. SO WHAT WE ALSO ANTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE IN THIS RATE STUDY, NOT THIS YEAR, WOULD BE RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF THAT FACILITY. AND SO FUND BALANCE COULD BE USED FOR THAT TO REDUCE HOW MUCH WE BOND FOR, WHICH REDUCES THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE BONDING FOR THAT WE PAY PRINCIPAL OR INTEREST ON. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE DID WAS WE USED ENOUGH FUND BALANCE TO STAY BELOW 10% THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. BEYOND THAT, WE DID NOT NEED ANYTHING IN OUR FORECAST TO AND BEYOND THAT, WE WERE LOOKING MORE AT 5% CURRENTLY EVEN WITH ANTICIPATING RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSION OF THE SERVICE CENTER. SO AT THIS MOMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NINE AVERAGE BILL OR LOOKING AT A 9.8% INCREASE OVER THE NEXT TWO EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS FOR THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY. 20% INCREASE. AND AT THAT POINT, YOU DO ANOTHER EVALUATION. EVERY YEAR WE WILL UPDATE THIS. YEP. EVERY SINGLE YEAR. THIS TIME WHAT WE HAVE HERE I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE SPREADSHEET IN DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY TABS THERE ARE ON THIS. SURE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL RATE STUDY. THIS IS THE MATH BEHIND IT ALL. THIS IS WHAT THE LAST FIVE MONTHS OF WORK HAS RESULTED IN. AND THIS LIVING DOCUMENT WILL BE UPDATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO INFORM EVERY BUDGET CYCLE FOR RATES. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF ALLUDED TO AT ONE POINT WANTING TO PERHAPS ADOPT A LONGER RANGE SET OF RATE INCREASES SO AS TO NOT HAVE TO REVISIT THIS EACH YEAR, SOUNDING LIKE A CONSTANT EVALUATION IS THE PREFERRED METHOD FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE NIMBLE AND REEVALUATE EVERY YEAR. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YES. YEP. THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO IT, RIGHT. WATER CONSERVATION IS A FLUID THING. WE'VE SEEN WATER CONSERVATION TO -7%. WE'VE SEEN IT UP TO 7% GROWTH RATE. SO WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY MONITOR A LOT. THAT GOES A LOT OF THE INPUTS THAT GENERATE THE OUTPUT. [00:45:01] RIGHT. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EVALUATE EVERY SINGLE YEAR, RIGHT IN THE CIP. WE TAKE OUR BID TABS AND WE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE COST TO REPLACE ONE LINEAR FEET OF WATER MAIN. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE AN INPUT THAT'S UPDATED EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AND WE DO HAVE YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS OR ON CYCLES. THAT'S ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. THERE'S SO MANY NUMEROUS FACTORS THAT CAN OCCUR OVER THE COURSE OF ONE BUDGET CYCLE THAT WILL REQUIRE TWEAKS EACH YEAR. RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE FORECAST THE WORST WOULD BE IN THESE FIRST TWO YEARS. AND THAT COULD BE SMOOTHED OVER YOU KNOW, 4 TO 5 YEAR PERIOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. TRUSTEE LENTZ. THANK YOU. SO AT ONE POINT IN THIS PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SHOWED ASSET VALUATION MINUS DEPRECIATION. I'M CURIOUS FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM MY KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT DAN SEEMED TO ILLUMINATE HERE. THANK YOU. IS THIS WHAT YOU WOULD SAY IS DO WE HAVE A VERY LOW ASSET VALUE COMPARED TO COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE WITH OUR WATER SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF THAT HISTORIC LACK OF INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? IS THAT WOULD YOU SAY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? I CAN'T COMPARE THE VALUE OF YOUR SYSTEM TO OTHERS. IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. OKAY. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT AWWA RECOGNIZES FOUR METHODS TO CALCULATE THE VALUE OF YOUR SYSTEM. THE LEAST EXPENSIVE METHOD IS TO SAY, TAKE YOUR ORIGINAL COST AND REDUCED DEPRECIATION. IT'S KIND OF LIKE SAYING, I'LL BUY YOUR HOUSE FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT 30 YEARS AGO, AND ALSO REDUCE IT BY DEPRECIATION. EXTREMELY LOW. ANOTHER METHOD IS JUST TO USE THE ORIGINAL COST. ANOTHER METHOD IS TO TAKE THE REPLACEMENT COST TODAY. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH. AND THEN THE FOURTH METHOD, WHICH IS THE ONE WE USED IS TO TAKE THE REPLACEMENT COST BUT DEDUCT THE REPLACEMENT DEPRECIATION BECAUSE IF IT WAS A NEW BRAND NEW SYSTEM IT WOULD BE REPLACEMENT COSTS. BUT BECAUSE IT'S X NUMBER OF YEARS OLD WE ANALYZED THAT. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PIPES UNDERGROUND THAT ARE OLD. I UNDERSTAND, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ASSET VALUE WE ARE LOSING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BASED ON THE CURRENT RATES AND THE REPLACEMENT OF 0.22 MILES? OR IS THAT AN UNKNOWABLE NUMBER? DAN. I MEAN, THE FIGURES THAT VIC IS PUTTING UP RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE JUST FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING BECAUSE WHEN YOU CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM, RIGHT, YOU'RE BUYING IN. SO YOU PAY KIND OF A LINEAGE FEE TO BUY INTO THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? YOU OWE LEGACY COSTS TO THE SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INCURRED. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE FIGURES. BUT WITH THE ANNUAL AUDIT, EVERY YEAR WE TAKE ALL THE NEW MAINS ALL THE NEW SYSTEMS ON THE WATER AND THE SANITARY SIDE, AND THEN THEY GO INTO OUR DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRACK AS AN AUDITING PRACTICE, BUT FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T SELL THE SYSTEM. SO THE VALUE OF THE SYSTEM IS KIND OF IMMATERIAL. BUT WHAT WHAT PROVIDES VALUE TO OUR SYSTEM IS THAT IT IS AMONG THE YOUNGER SYSTEMS. RIGHT? LANSING HAS WOOD WATER MAINS FROM THE LATE 1800S, EARLY 1900S. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH ALL MAINS OR DUCTILE IRON. WE HAVE GOOD COATING ON THEM, RIGHT, FOR CORROSION. SO WHAT PROVIDES VALUE TO OUR SYSTEM ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO QUANTIFY IN A DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT'S THE AGE AND THE MATERIAL. AND THE CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGIES ARE OBVIOUSLY BETTER TODAY THAN THEY WERE IN THE 50S. RIGHT? IT'S FAR MORE COMMON TO HAVE INSPECTORS ON SITE AT ALL TIMES WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING THINGS TODAY THAN IT WAS BACK THEN. SO THAT'S THE VALUE, BUT IT'S NOT QUANTIFIABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTION. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT REPLACEMENT OF 0.22 MILES PER YEAR WITH A GOAL OF REPLACING MAINS AT TWO MILES A YEAR, IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY, IS THERE A FORMULA SOMEWHERE THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE OR THAT WASN'T A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, FOR A 3% INCREASE, THAT EQUALS HALF A MILE OF MAIN REPLACEMENT. OR IS THAT NOT A FUNCTION OF WHAT OF WHAT IS IN THIS RATE STUDY? I WOULD DEFER TO VIC ON THAT, BUT I THINK THEY CAN IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN EQUATE IT TO DOLLARS, [00:50:01] WHICH WE CAN, THEY CAN EQUATE IT TO RATES. THAT'S THAT'S A SIMPLE CONVERSION THAT WE CAN ALWAYS DO. BUT WHAT WE'VE FORECASTED IS DOING THAT OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 25 YEARS, NOT DOING IT IN THE IMMEDIATE. RIGHT. SO BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO QUANTIFY WHAT IS WHAT IS THE COST TO REPLACE HALF A MILE OF WATER MAIN APPROXIMATELY? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO RATES? WE COULD RUN THAT CALCULATION. GOTCHA. AND HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. A QUICK WAY TO DO THAT IS YOU YOU GROUP THE ASSETS BY THE ASSET TYPES. SO FOR EXAMPLE PIPELINES YOU COULD USE 100 YEAR LIFE. SO YOU TAKE THE VALUE OF THE ASSET AND DIVIDE IT BY 100. SO 1% A YEAR IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING TO KEEP TO KEEP THAT ASSET. YOU CAN HAVE A EMERGENCY GENERATOR THAT HAS A 20 YEAR LIFE. SO YOU SHOULD BE SETTING ASIDE THAT COST DIVIDED BY 20, SO MUCH PER YEAR FOR THAT TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE CALL AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. AND THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET AT THAT NUMBER. ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN MOST CASES, THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT LIFE TYPICALLY IS LONGER. BUT, BUT, BUT AS A STARTING POINT, THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR. AND THEN DAN, APOLOGIES AGAIN IF I DIDN'T SEE THIS OR IT WASN'T STATED THAT 9.8% THAT IS RECOMMENDED IS FOR TWO YEARS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING. EACH YEAR. EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THAT PUTS US AT THE ABILITY TO SIMILAR TO LIKE THE ROAD. THE ROAD MILLAGE IMMEDIATELY START WORKING ON SOME REPLACING SOME OF THESE OLDEST MAINS OR IS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TWO YEARS REALLY JUST ABOUT BUILDING UP FUND BALANCE TO THE POINT WHERE NECESSARY MAINTENANCE PROJECTS CAN BEGIN? NO, THAT WOULD START IN THE IMMEDIATE WE ALREADY HAVE TODAY A CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IN THE WATER FUND OF JUST OVER 1 MILLION. THE PROBLEM IS IT'S APPROXIMATELY 300, $310 PER LINEAR FOOT. SO WHEN YOU START TO TALK MILES, THE DOLLARS DON'T GO THAT FAR. SO WE ARE ALREADY REPLACING WATER MAINS THERE. IS IT TONIGHT'S? YEAH. YOU HAVE A IN YOUR CONSENT AGENDA. YOU HAVE A WATER MAIN BID FOR REPLACING A WATER MAIN THAT HAS A LOT OF CLAMPS ON IT AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AT THE HASLETT COMMERCE CENTER. AND WE JUST COMPLETED A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IN THE WARD CLIFF NEIGHBORHOOD OFF PARK LAKE ROAD EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE IT FROM AROUND A QUARTER MILE TO TWO MILES OVER DECADES, RIGHT? SO THAT WE'RE ON A LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO THE ASSET, THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE ASSET, RIGHT? SO ON ROADS, WE'RE ON PACE TO RESURFACE FULL DEPTH. OUR LOCAL ROADS, THE 153 MILES EVERY THREE YEARS, WE NEED TO DO ABOUT 6.25 TO 6.5 MILES EVERY YEAR TO HIT THAT 30 YEAR MARK. WHEREAS AND WE WERE IN THE SAME POSITION ON ROADS JUST A DECADE AGO, RIGHT? A DECADE AGO, WE WERE DOING ROADS AT A PACE WE WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, RECYCLE SURFACE TREATMENTS THAT ONLY LASTED EIGHT YEARS, AND IT WAS GOING TO TAKE US 300 YEARS TO REACH EACH ROW. NOW WE'RE ON A 30 YEAR CYCLE WITH THE NEW MILLAGE. NOW WE'RE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY DO THE SAME THING WITH THE WATER SYSTEM TO GO FROM A QUARTER MILE TO TWO MILES OVER DECADES, RIGHT? NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OVERNIGHT. SO THE WATER FUND CONSTRUCTION BUDGET WOULD JUST INCREASE EVER SO SLIGHTLY EVERY YEAR, WITH THE GOAL BEING THAT WE BRING IN REVENUE SUFFICIENT TO INCREASE OUR LINEAR FEET OF REPLACEMENT BY 8% EACH YEAR. BUT THE CONSTRUCTION ACCOUNT IS JUST ONE ACCOUNT OF AROUND 50 WITHIN THE WATER FUND. RIGHT? WE HAVE OUR IN-HOUSE MAINTENANCE CREWS. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER COSTS WITHIN IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE HIGHLIGHT. AND THAT'S ONE KEY THING THAT WE DID IN STUDYING THE SYSTEM THROUGH THIS RATE STUDY. THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGER CHANGES. MOST THINGS ARE JUST STATUS QUO. WE'RE JUST DETERMINING WHERE DO THE RATES NEED TO BE FOR STATUS QUO. REPLACEMENT OF ASSETS IS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE STUDIED. GOTCHA. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE THE FULL PICTURE. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO GET TO THE TWO MILE REPLACEMENT BY 2047. YES. AND SO THEORETICALLY IN YEAR ONE, WE'RE STILL WE'RE DOING 0.23 MILES. [00:55:05] WHEREAS IN, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE 0.25. NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE 0.28 OR SOME VARIATION ON IT. YES. AND I JUST PULLED IT UP RIGHT HERE. SO I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE FIRST FOUR COLUMNS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT FUNCTION IS. OH RIGHT. SO THIS IS THAT METHODOLOGY THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. SUPERVISOR. SO WE ARE REPLACING 0.21% OF THE SYSTEM. WE WANT TO GET TO 1% RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE LINEAR FEET REPLACED BY YEAR, AND THE FORMULA IS JUST A 8% INCREASE ON THIS COLUMN. RIGHT NOW WE FORECAST THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT IN 2047. CONCEIVABLY. THERE'S A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THERE, RIGHT. BUT EVEN IF WE ACHIEVE THAT IN THE 2050S, WE WILL BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. AND WHAT'S THE INFLATIONARY MULTIPLIER THAT YOU'RE USING FOR THIS? 3.5% FOR CONSTRUCTION. AND WE DO HAVE COLUMNS IN THERE FOR A LOW OF TWO AND A HIGH OF SEVEN. RIGHT. DOES THIS INCLUDE BOTH THE LINEAR FEET OF PIPE AND THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THE LIFT STATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU? LIFT STATIONS WOULD BE IN THE CIP MODEL, BUT SAME FUNCTION RATE, 100 YEAR LIFE CYCLE, 31 LIFT STATIONS. SO WE HAVE TO REPLACE ONE LIFT STATION EVERY THREE YEARS ON AVERAGE. SO THE FUNCTION IS SIMILAR IN THE SANITARY CIP. BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS THE, THE SUGGESTED INCREASES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE COVER BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. YES. HOWEVER, WHEN WE STUDY THE SANITARY SYSTEM, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING A LOT BETTER. SO ON THE SANITARY SIDE, WE CAN LINE 1% OF THE SYSTEM. SO WITH THE SANITARY MAINS YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REPLACE THE PIPE ITSELF. WE WOULD LINE THEM AND GROUT THEM. YOU WILL HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE BID THIS YEAR AT YOUR NEXT MEETING ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR LINING AND GROUTING OF THE EXISTING SANITARY SYSTEM. ONE OF THE KEY FOCUSES RIGHT OUT THE GATE ON THAT CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE LINING ALL OF OUR SANITARY PIPE THAT CROSSES UNDER RAILROADS. BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A LARGE INTERCEPTOR FAIL. SO WE HAD A LARGE CONCRETE PIPE WITHIN THE SANITARY SYSTEM FAIL VERY CLOSE TO A RAILROAD THIS YEAR. SO OUR VERY FIRST STEP IS GETTING ALL THE PERMITS IN LINE TO LINE THOSE PIPES. SO IT'S BASICALLY A PUT IN PLACE PROCESS THAT WE CAN DO AT GRADE. THERE'S NO DIGGING OR TRENCHING. SO ON THE SANITARY SIDE, WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS, WE ARE IN GREAT SHAPE. WE CAN REPLACE OUR LIFT STATIONS ON THE CYCLE THAT WE NEED. BUT OVER HERE, OUR CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS CURRENTLY 2.9 MILLION RELATIVE TO 1 MILLION IN THE WATER. SO CONSTRUCTION BUDGET, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SQUARE BECAUSE IF THE SANITARY SYSTEM IS IN GOOD SHAPE EXISTING, I MEANT GOOD SHAPE FINANCIALLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF WE CAN ALREADY ACHIEVE OUR GOAL THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO GET ON THE WATER SIDE ON THIS, IF WE CAN ALREADY DO THAT ON THE SEWER SIDE, THEN WHY ARE WE SEEING A CORRESPONDING READY TO SERVE SEWER CHARGE INCREASE AND A, IN THE COMMODITY RATE CHARGE FOR SEWER WAS GOING UP COMPARED TO WATER WHICH WENT DOWN? I'M TRYING TO SQUARE IT. IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES THAT WE'RE USING THAT MONEY. OR IS IT? YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, THERE'S ALSO THE DEBT SCHEDULES. WE JUST DID LARGE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED LONG BEFORE THIS BOARD BEGAN SERVING, BUT ON THE THE WHARF THAT'S JOINTLY OWNED BY MICHIGAN STATE, EAST LANSING, AND THE TOWNSHIP WE JUST COMPLETED PROJECTS ON THAT. SO THE DEBT SERVICE IS GOING UP ON THE SANITARY SIDE. SO THAT'S ONE LARGE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR ON THAT SIDE. VIC ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD THINK TO HIGHLIGHT THROUGH THE RATES? I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING IN TERMS OF A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS DONE AT THE EAST LANSING WATER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE CURRENT PROJECT I BELIEVE IS THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. AND I THINK OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, IT'S BEEN LIKE CLOSE TO $150 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT PLANT AND AND PAID FOR WITH DEBT SERVICE. SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ENTERTAINING OUR QUESTIONS. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION AS OUR BUDGET CYCLE APPROACHES HERE IN THE FALL. THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM FIVE CITIZENS ADDRESS AGENDA ITEMS AND NON-AGENDA ITEMS. [01:00:07] THERE ARE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT TONIGHT'S MEETING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO ADDRESS OUR AGENDA, OR ANY ITEM NOT ON OUR AGENDA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO NOW, AS WELL AS NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING. THOSE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD MUST COMPLETE A GREEN CARD, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ON THE TABLE NEAR THE DOOR AND PRESENT THE CARD TO US BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN, I'LL CALL YOU UP TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK TO THE TOPICS INDICATED. AND WHILE IT'S NOT REQUIRED, IT IS HELPFUL FOR THE SAKE OF OUR MINUTES, IF YOU PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR REMARKS. CITIZENS ARE REQUIRED TO LIMIT COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, AND AUTOMATED SYSTEM WILL KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME AND AN INDICATOR. LIGHT AND AUDIBLE BEEP WILL ALERT YOU WHEN YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD VALUE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE MEETING FORMAT, HOWEVER, DOES RESTRICT US FROM ENGAGING IN CONVERSATION WITH COMMENTERS OR ANSWERING QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED BY BOARD MEMBERS AT A LATER TIME, OR REFERRED TO A MEMBER OF THE TOWNSHIP STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON. WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS THIS EVENING. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN AT 7 P.M.. SEEING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AT 7 P.M.. NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX TOWNSHIP MANAGER REPORT MANAGER DEMPSEY. [6. TOWNSHIP MANAGER REPORT] YEAH, THANK YOU SUPERVISOR. JUST A COUPLE THINGS THIS EVENING. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK SOME FOLKS FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE FIRST ONE, OF COURSE, IS THE ELECTION. I'M SURE CLERK DEMAS WILL HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION, BUT THANKS TO HER AND HER STAFF FOR ALL THE LATE HOURS AND LONG DAYS LEADING UP TO THE ELECTION, WITH EARLY VOTING, ETC., AND ALL THE SUPPORT FROM DPW AND IT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE TOWNSHIP, WE APPRECIATE THAT FOR EVERYBODY'S WORK THERE. AND THEN THANKS TO YOU AS WELL, TO OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL CELEBRATE MERIDIAN. IT WAS A GREAT EVENING AND DAYTIME, EXCELLENT WEATHER THAT WORKED OUT FOR US. BUT WE HAD A VERY LARGE CROWD THERE SORT OF GOING TO DO THEIR CALCULUS IN TERMS OF ESTIMATING CROWDS, BUT THEY THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUR BIGGEST SINCE THE PANDEMIC. SO GREAT TO SEE YOU AS A FUN NIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY ENJOYED THEMSELVES. AND THEY ARE LOOKING, OF COURSE, AT REASSESSING THE DATE AGAIN. GIVEN THE CHANGE FOR THIS YEAR AND THINKING ABOUT MAYBE MOVING BACK TO A DATE SIMILAR TO YEARS PRIOR. SO, BUT AGAIN, THANKS TO EVERYBODY THERE AND THE MULTITUDE OF VOLUNTEERS THAT SUPPORT THAT EVENT AS WELL. SO THAT'S IT FOR ME THIS EVENING. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. BOARD MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE MOVE ON TO BOARD MEMBER REPORTS OF ACTIVITIES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY BOARD MEMBERS WITH ACTIVITIES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. CLERK DEMAS. I HAVE A FEW REMARKS. [7. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS OF ACTIVITIES ANDANNOUNCEMENTS] MY OFFICE HAS SUCCESSFULLY ADMINISTERED THE AUGUST 4TH, 2026 PRIMARY ELECTION, AND I WANT TO EXTEND MY DEEPEST GRATITUDE TO OUR ELECTIONS TEAM FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND SERVICE DURING THE ELECTION. WE COULD NOT DO THIS WORK WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE TOWNSHIP, OUR STAFF, OUR ELECTION WORKERS, OUR POLLING LOCATIONS, OUR DPW TEAM, THE BOARD AND MORE. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE OUR ABSENT VOTER COUNTING BOARD FINISHED THEIR WORK AROUND 10:40 P.M., WE DID HAVE DIFFICULTY TRANSMITTING THE RESULTS TO THE COUNTY, WHICH RESULTED IN A SIGNIFICANT DELAY. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD TO ADDRESS FALSIFIED CLAIMS WHICH THREATENED TO UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION PROCESS. I CAN SAY IN FULL CONFIDENCE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH MICHIGAN ELECTION LAW AND CONTINUE TO ADMINISTER FAIR, FREE AND SECURE ELECTIONS. WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO THANK THE BUREAU OF ELECTIONS, THE COUNTY CLERK, OUR BYRUM'S OFFICE, FOR THEIR GUIDANCE AS WELL AS CLERK GORDON'S SUPPORT, WHO OF COURSE USED TO BE OUR DEPUTY CLERK. WORKING AS A TEAM IS VITAL, AND WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE GREAT PARTNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL NEW ELECTIONS TEAM, AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT GIVE MY THANKS TO DEPUTY CLERK AND ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATOR STEVE GEARHEART FOR HIS WORK DURING THESE PAST ELECTIONS AND ONWARD. HE HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND IN HIS NEW ROLE, AND IT IS FELT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP. I ALSO WANT TO PERSONALLY, PERSONALLY THANK OUR FULL TIME AND PART TIME ELECTION WORKERS IN OUR OFFICE WHO DO THE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK, CONTACTING VOTERS, ISSUING BALLOTS AND RECEIVING BALLOTS. THIS IS ALL DONE DURING THE 45 DAYS LEADING UP TO THE ELECTION. OUR TEAM WORKS HARD TO ENSURE EVERY VOTER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD, AND THAT EACH VOTE IS COUNTED WITH CARE AND INTEGRITY. AND THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE FOLLOWING STATISTICS FOR THE AUGUST 4TH, 2026, PRIMARY ELECTION IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. WE HAD MORE THAN 38% OF ACTIVE REGISTERED VOTERS TURNOUT FOR THIS ELECTION. DURING EARLY VOTING OVER ONE DURING OVER EARLY VOTING, WE HAD 1133 BALLOTS CAST. WE ARE SEEING THAT NUMBER OF EARLY VOTERS INCREASING AS MORE AND MORE VOTERS BECOME FAMILIAR AND AWARE OF THIS OPTION. OVER 10,202 HUNDRED ABSENTEE BALLOTS WERE RETURNED OUT OF OUR 13,400 BALLOTS ISSUED. [01:05:04] THAT IS A RETURN RATE OF OVER 75%. TO VIEW THE ELECTION RESULTS IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, WE RECOMMEND GOING TO INGHAM COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, WHERE THEY HAVE A WEB PAGE DEDICATED TO ELECTION RESULTS AND ARE, OF COURSE, A GREAT RESOURCE. LASTLY, I WAS GRATEFUL TO ATTEND THE BOARD OF CANVASSERS MEETING TODAY AS THEY WORK ON CANVASING THE AUGUST ELECTION. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TRUSTEE LENTZ. YEAH. WELL, SHE HAS LEFT. I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK DIRECTOR CLARK FOR ALLOWING ME TO JOIN HER LAST WEEK. SPENT THE DAY TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. AS A LOT OF FUN. I GOT TO VISIT THE BUILDINGS THAT THIS BOARD WAS A PART OF APPROVING AT 4.690 OKEMOS ROAD DOWNTOWN SPENT TIME WITH THE OWNERS, SRINIVAS AND SATISH. AS I LOOKED AROUND THOSE NEW FACILITIES. VERY EXCITING TO SEE SOME HOPEFULLY NEW APARTMENTS, NEW BUSINESSES COME IN, AS WELL AS ANTHONY AT DOC'S AUTOMOTIVE AND THEN ALEX AT THE NEW TERRA FIRMA CLIMBING GYM. YOU KNOW, NEW BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO POTENTIALLY DO THE SAME. TALK WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT STAFF OR EXCUSE ME OUR DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STAFF AT MERIDIAN, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, I GOT TO BE A PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT READY COMMUNITIES SEMINAR OVER THE SPRING. IT WAS WEEKLY VIA ZOOM AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO LEARN HOW THIS COMMUNITY CAN BECOME MORE ATTRACTIVE TO BUSINESSES YOU KNOW, HELP GROW OUR SCHOOLS, BECOME AN EFFECTIVE EFFECTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STAFF TAKING THE TIME TO JOIN ME AND TIM FOR JOINING US FOR LUNCH TO DISCUSS A FEW ITEMS AS WELL. SO YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. TRUSTEE WILSON. CAN'T GO WITHOUT RECOGNIZING CELEBRATE MERIDIAN, WHICH WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. IT WAS PACKED WITH PEOPLE. I VOLUNTEERED AT THE BEER TENT WITH THE POLICE CHIEF SO THAT WHEN ANYONE WANTED TO WALK AWAY WITH AN UNOPENED BOTTLE, I SAID, THERE'S THE POLICE CHIEF, SO DON'T DO THAT. IT WAS REALLY A WONDERFUL NIGHT. I DO THINK THE CROWD, I GO EVERY YEAR. THE CROWD WAS LARGER THAN I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE. THE BANDS WERE GREAT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR. TERRIFIC. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. TRUSTEE TREZISE. I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT MARTY JUST SAID. IT WAS A GREAT AFTERNOON. I WORKED EARLIER THAN SHE DID. SHE REPLACED ME. BUT GOOD CROWDS. VERY HAPPY PEOPLE AND IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL. ALL RIGHT. TRUSTEE SUNDLAND. YES, I ATTENDED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MEETING THIS MORNING AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IS THE LANSING 501 REGIONAL COMMUNITIES MARKETING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION. AND SO THAT IS A $2,500 CONTRIBUTION TO THE LANSING 501 REGIONAL COMMUNITIES MARKETING CAMPAIGN. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT INFILL ANALYSIS AND DESIGN RFP. SO WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND MERIDIAN MALL [INAUDIBLE] HAD THEIR GOLF OUTING JUNE 12TH AT THE MERIDIAN SUN AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND WE GO FROM THERE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. I'LL ADD MY THANKS AND KUDOS TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. JULY IS NOW IN THE PAST AND AS IS OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. I KNOW A NUMBER OF US PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THE VIDEOS THAT WERE PUT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, OR TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS OF LAST WEEK, THAT THOSE ACCUMULATED ABOUT 6000 VIEWS FROM MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THEY WERE REALLY WELL DONE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BOTH THEM AND THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND ALSO DIRECTOR WISINSKI FOR SUPPORTING THAT PROJECT. I THINK WE GOT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME VERY EXCITING AND FUN PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT NOT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT. AND HOPEFULLY NOW THEY DO. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ATTENDED OUR LISTENING SESSION LAST WEEK AT THE CENTRAL PARK PAVILION ACROSS THE PARKING LOT HERE. [01:10:01] IT WAS WE HAD PROBABLY 30 TO 40 FOLKS OUT ASKING INTERESTING QUESTIONS HEARING UPDATES FROM OUR STAFF. AND I WILL ALSO MENTION THAT IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, WE DO POST A SUMMARY OF THAT LISTENING SESSION, THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SHOULD BE LIVE IN A WEEK OR SO ABOUT NEXT WEEK, THIS TIME, IF NOT SOONER. SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. AND WE WILL WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY OF THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT WE TOOK AT THAT LISTENING SESSION. AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER LISTENING SESSION COMING UP OCTOBER 27TH THAT IS AT 6 P.M. AT SAINT LUKE'S CHURCH IN HASLETT. SO IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE ONE LAST WEEK OR THE ONE THAT WE HAD, I THINK IN LATE APRIL, OCTOBER 27TH IS YOUR DAY. SO WE ALSO WILL HAVE POSTCARDS GOING OUT TO THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE NORTHERN THIRD OF THE TOWNSHIP. A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THAT, I WOULD EXPECT. SO KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR POST IN YOUR MAILBOX FOR THE INVITE IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED ONE FOR ONE OF OUR LISTENING SESSIONS YET THIS YEAR. WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. [8. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY TRUSTEE LENTZ, SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [9. CONSENT AGENDA] WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING, INCLUDING COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP BOARD. THREE SETS OF MINUTES, INCLUDING THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR SPECIAL TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING ON JULY 21ST, OUR REGULAR TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING ON JULY 21ST AND OUR CLOSED SESSION ON JULY 21ST. LOTS OF EXCITEMENT THAT DAY. OUR BILLS, A CONTRACT AWARD FOR THE HASLETT COMMERCE CENTER WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, AS WELL AS THE COPPER CREEK TWO PLAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? TRUSTEE TREZISE. MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SO MOVED BY TRUSTEE TREZISE. WE HAVE A SECOND? SUPPORTS. SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE WILSON. ANY COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? CLERK DEMAS. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? CLERK DEMAS YES. TRUSTEE LENTZ. YES. TRUSTEE SUNDLAND. YES. TRUSTEE TREZISE. YES. TRUSTEE WILSON. YES. SUPERVISOR HENDRICKSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WOULD PASS THE COLORFUL FOLDERS DOWN TO THE CCLERK SO THAT WE HAVE THOSE CLOSED SESSION MINUTES COLLECTED AS WELL. ALL RIGHTY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM 10 IS BOARD ACTION ITEMS. WE HAVE NONE. WOW. BIG DAY. AND THEN ITEM 11.A IS OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM THIS EVENING. [11.A. Ordinance 2026-09: 2020 M78 – Singh Rezoning – RR, Rural Residential, to RDD, Multiple-Family Residential up to 5 dwelling units per acre] ORDINANCE 2026-09 FOR 2020 M78 THE SINGH REZONING RR RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UP TO FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND WE HAVE BEFORE US COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TIM SCHMITT. MR. SCHMITT. THANK YOU, MR. SUPERVISOR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THE REQUEST IN FRONT OF THIS EVENING IS TO REZONE THE, THE AFOREMENTIONED PROPERTY FROM RR RURAL RESIDENTIAL RD MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS ALSO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN ZONED REZONE TO RD, SUBJECT TO A SERIES OF CONDITIONS THAT ALLOWED FOR. AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW ALLOWED FOR DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT CONDITIONS WERE MET. IT WAS A BIT COMPLICATED, BUT ULTIMATELY A PORTION OF THAT PROJECT WENT FORWARD AND A PORTION DID NOT. THE REQUEST HERE IS REGARDING WHAT IS NOW A SINGLE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWNER PREVIOUSLY APPLIED IN 2024, FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE TO BE AN ADU. BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT PORTION WAS THE OLD HOUSE, WHICH WAS FAR IN EXCESS OF ADU REQUIREMENTS. SO THE VARIANCE WAS DENIED. AND ULTIMATELY THE SECONDARY PATH WAS TO REQUEST REZONING TO MULTIPLE FAMILY TO ALLOW FOR THIS STRUCTURE TO BE USED ESSENTIALLY AS A DUPLEX. IT'S CLEAR THAT OUR RECORDS AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BUILT ON THE GROUND DO NOT ALIGN FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IN 2001, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AS A GARAGE RECEIVED A VARIANCE IN 2001. IN 2004, WE APPROVED A BREEZEWAY ONE STORY BREEZEWAY TO CONNECT THE TWO STRUCTURES. [01:15:03] THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT. THERE WAS A VARIANT DENIED TO ALLOW A SECOND. I BELIEVE IT WAS A SECOND STORY DECK WITH A ROOF. AND THEN IN 2008, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST TO ENCLOSE A CARPORT WHICH HAD BEEN ADDED. AND IN THAT 2008 PLAN, THE GARAGE WAS NOW ANOTHER HOUSE. A LOT CHANGED ON THIS SITE OVER THE YEARS. A LOT OF HISTORY HAS LONG SINCE LEFT THE BUILDING. AND SO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE REVIEWING IT SORT OF BASED ON THE CURRENT SITUATION AND WHAT DO WE HAVE. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AT THIS POINT. GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN COMBINED UP, THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR IT TO BE COMMERCIAL NOT MULTIFAMILY. AND THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS ON THE SITE HAVE NOT LED US TO A POSITION WHERE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REQUEST ON JUNE 8TH AND DISCUSSED IT TWO ADDITIONAL TIMES, FINALLY RECOMMENDING DENIAL AT THE JULY 13TH, 2026 MEETING. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS IT AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. TRUSTEE WILSON. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE PACKET FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 8TH. I'M STILL VERY FUZZY ON WHAT THE ZONING IS AROUND THIS PARCEL. CAN YOU PULL THAT UP? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO THE PROPERTIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ESSENTIALLY THE. THIS IS THE SECOND TO LAST PROPERTY IN THE TOWNSHIP ON THE NORTH END UP BY, YOU KNOW, NEARBY THE BATH MEYER IS THE CLOSEST THING THAT PEOPLE THE CLOSEST LANDMARK PEOPLE WOULD HAVE. IT'S THINKING VERY HARD ABOUT LOADING THE REST OF THIS. THERE WE GO. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. NOT TOO FAR. MY APOLOGIES. IT'S THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY REZONED RD PROPERTY. THE REMAINDER OF THE FRONTAGE ALONG M 78 IS ZONED RR RURAL RESIDENTIAL. IT'S MASTER PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. AND BOTH THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL. CORRECT. SO WAS THERE ANY. I STILL HAVE YET TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE ACTUAL VIDEO OF THE DISCUSSION. I REVIEWED THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MINUTES AND PACKETS AND WHATNOT. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CORRECT RECOURSE FOR THE APPLICANT IF REZONING, IF THE VARIANCES WERE DENIED AND REZONING IS NOT APPROVED? IS THERE A IS THERE A PATH FORWARD TO COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE THAT THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EXPLORE? SO STAFF WOULD CERTAINLY ARGUE IT'S, IT'S AT LEAST CLOSE TO COMPLIANCE. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE GOTTEN THE PERMITS WE NEEDED OVER THE YEARS, CANDIDLY, IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD IN SOME CASES IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT IT. THE PATH TO GETTING A DUPLEX OR A SECOND UNIT, WHICH IS WHAT THE REQUEST FUNCTIONALLY IS IS FUNCTIONALLY FORECLOSED UPON IF THE REZONING IS NOT APPROVED. I WITH THE CAVEAT BEING YOU COULD IN THEORY REZONE IT TO RX WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A DUPLEX. AGAIN, THOUGH WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN. STAFF WOULD PROBABLY NOT RECOMMEND THAT COURSE OF ACTION EITHER. YEAH. I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS AT THE ZONING MAP, YOU KNOW, IT LEADS ME TO TRULY WONDER WHY. AND I WASN'T AWARE OF IT BEFORE, BUT IT LED ME WHEN I LOOKED AT IT BEFORE TO WONDER WHY A REZONING TO RD OF THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL WAS ALLOWED, CONSIDERING THAT THE REST OF IT WAS RR. AND THAT FEELS LIKE THE ABERRATION MORE THAN THE RULE. I MEAN. YEAH, I'LL LET TRUSTEE TREZISE. WELL, AGAIN, I REMEMBER THAT, THE REDISTRICTING, THE REZONING OF THAT ONE. AND THEY HAD TO DO WITH THERE WAS A BUILDING ON THERE THAT THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE AND MAKE IT INTO APARTMENTS, [01:20:08] AND THEN ANOTHER POTENTIAL SMALL APARTMENT BUILDING ON THERE. THEY CAME TO ME AND THAT WAS APPROVED BUT NEVER EXECUTED FULLY. IN THIS CASE, I DID WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AND ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES IS UNDER OUR ORDINANCE, THIS IS WITHIN THE UTILITIES AREA. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT BY PUTTING IN ANOTHER UNIT IN THERE. BY GOING TO A DUPLEX, THEY HAVE TO GET CITY WATER AND SEWAGE. NEAREST CONNECTION IS ABOUT A HALF A MILE AWAY. AND FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT THE OWNER WOULD NOT COMMIT TO THAT AT THIS POINT. HE WANTED TO GET SOME SORT OF A VARIANCE TO CONTINUE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT AGREE WITH IT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AS WELL. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT SOME LENGTH IN THE FILE. AND ULTIMATELY PART OF THE REASON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS THE WAY IT IS, IS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO VIABLE CONNECTION. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I MEAN, GENERALLY, IN MY OPINION, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PRETTY COMPELLING REASON TO OVERTURN THE REVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO HAVE CONSIDERED THIS AT THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF IT. IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, IT SEEMS MORE APROPOS TO, HAVE THE OTHER PARCEL BRR INSTEAD OF MOVING THIS TO RDD. THOUGH THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION BEFORE US. YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MODIFICATIONS MADE. YOU KNOW, I THINK MY CONCERN AND THE CONCERN ABOUT GETTING CORRECT PERMITTING IS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE, THE OWNERS AND THE OCCUPANTS. I MEAN. I GUESS IS THERE ANY VALUE TO TRYING TO RETROACTIVELY OR, OR CURRENTLY GO IN AND ESTABLISH PERMITTING TO WHAT HAD BEEN DONE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO CODE? NO, I MEAN, I THINK PERMITTING IS UNLIKELY GIVEN THAT WE'RE 20 YEARS FOR CODE CYCLES PAST FIVE CODE CYCLES PAST. SO, YOU KNOW, US BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED FIVE CODE CYCLES AGO IS A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? AS A GENERAL RULE, ONCE WE GET PAST ONE, WE PRETTY MUCH JUST CLOSE THE PERMIT. OKAY. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THOUGH, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THIS PROPERTY IS LICENSED AS A RENTAL IS WE WILL INSPECT IT IN DETAIL AND IT WILL BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ANY ISSUES UNDER THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH LARGELY COVERS SIMILAR THINGS. IT GIVES US MORE BROAD POWERS TO ENFORCE UNDER THE IPMC THAN IT DOES UNDER THE BUILDING CODE, BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE IS INTENDED LIKE UPFRONT AND THE IPMC IS THE ONGOING PIECE. SO IF IT WERE EVER BECOME A RENTAL HOWEVER, IF IT REMAINS UNOCCUPIED AND IT GETS SOLD AND ITS OWNER OCCUPIED IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THIS IS NOT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. I'LL BE COMPLETELY FRANK. I MEAN, WE FIND WORK WITHOUT PERMITS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND IN OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTIES. TRUSTEE TREZISE. I BELIEVE THE OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY PER SE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS ZONING. IF THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT'S PROPERLY PERMITTED WITH THE ADDITIONS AND CLOSING AND AS YOU SAY, 20 YEARS AFTER THE FACT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THE CODE WOULD HAVE BEEN THEN AND WHETHER IT COULD FLY. SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY TRY TO SELL IT OR IF THEY TRY TO LEASE IT, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REEXAMINATION AND BRING IT UP TO CODE NOW. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE RATIONALE FOR US TO VIOLATE OUR MASTER PLAN. THIS WOULD BE MOVING FURTHER AWAY FROM OUR INTENDED USE OF THIS THAN IT IS TODAY. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY REVIEWED IT AND SUGGESTED AGAINST IT. SO I SEE NO REASON TO, YOU KNOW, NO COMPELLING REASON, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, TO VARY FROM THEIR DETERMINATION. [01:25:04] I CERTAINLY AND WE CAN WE WILL THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO TAKE A FORMAL ACTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING. I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER. SURE. WE CAN GIVE THE APPLICANT A FEW MINUTES TO, TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. MR. SINGH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS US? MY NAME IS B K SINGH, A RESIDENT OF HASLETT FOR OVER 31 YEARS. AND THE FIRST TIME I APPLIED FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE, I THINK I WENT TO ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. AND I PRESENTED MY CASE FOR ADU APPLICATION. AT THE TIME, THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME THE OKAY FOR THAT ADU BECAUSE MY UNIT HAD 700FT² AGAINST 600 ALLOWED. SO THEY DENIED IT. BUT ONE OF THE MEMBERS, I THINK VICE CHAIRS, RECOMMENDED THAT IT SHOULD GO TO BOARD APPLY FOR THIS TO GET THE CHANGE AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT. SO I WAS KIND OF WAITING ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF TO WHETHER TO GO BACK AND APPLY FOR THIS OR NOT. THEN I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO GET IT, BECAUSE THE EXISTING SITUATION IS THAT I HAVE A WELL, BRAND NEW WELL, INSTALLED IN 2005 AND APPROVED BY THE INGHAM COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS REJECT THIS EXISTING SEPTIC TANK. ALSO BACK IN 2005 OR 6, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAD IS THIS. THERE'S NO ACCESS TO PUBLIC SEWER FROM MY HOUSE TO THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER IS FAR AWAY, ALMOST AS FAR AWAY AS. THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATION. IT'S ALMOST 1200FT². I MEAN, LINEAR FEET. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I THOUGHT I COULD JUST APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO GET THE EXISTING WELL REEXAMINED BY THE INGHAM COUNTY HEALTH AND GET THE APPROVAL FROM THEM TO GET THIS WATER QUALITY TESTED. AND ALSO, I THOUGHT THE EXISTING SEWER AND SEPTIC TANK AND THE DRAIN FIELD WAS ALSO INSPECTED BY INGHAM COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAY BACK IN 2010, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO AND ALSO THERE IS A CURRENT CURRENTLY THERE'S A BILL IN MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE INTRODUCED TO HAVE ALL THE EXISTING SEPTIC TANK IN THE STATE. THE REGISTERED FOR TO KEEP THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES ON TOP. SO, SO MAYBE I THOUGHT I COULD QUALIFY ONCE THE BILL IS PASSED IN MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE, I CAN BE REGISTERED AS A QUALIFIED SEPTIC TANK AND THE GREENFIELD ACCESS TO THE WHATEVER THEY CALL THE REGISTRY OR SOMETHING. SO. I APPLIED FOR THAT ANYWAY. SO NOW I FOUND OUT THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET THIS APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD. AND SO I JUST HAD TO DROP THE CASE, I GUESS. SO THERE'S NO WAY PROCEEDING WITH THIS SITUATION, THIS LAST CHANCE FOR ME. SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SINGH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THANK YOU. CLERK DEMAS. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR SCHMITT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY IF THE REZONING DOES NOT PASS, WILL THE APPLICANT HAVE TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE, REMOVE THIS BREEZEWAY OR HOW WILL THIS IMPACT THE THE APPLICANT? YEAH. SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE CAN REMAIN AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS LONG AS IT REMAINS IN ITS CURRENT STATE. OBVIOUSLY UPON IF THEY CHOOSE TO LICENSE IT AS A RENTAL, WE'RE [01:30:07] GOING TO INSPECT IT. AND WE OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE A NOTE IN THE FILE FOR WHEN IT EVENTUALLY SELLS AND SOMEONE PULLS TITLE AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S UNCLEAR AS TO EXACTLY WHAT WAS BUILT UNDER WHAT PERMIT BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION. THE REZONING DOESN'T TRIGGER ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO REMOVE PARTS OF THE STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT WILL THIS IMPACT ANY FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD? NO, AS LONG AS IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S AS LONG AS THE USE ALIGNS WITH THE ZONING, WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS. WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE WORK WAS DONE, BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS. OKAY. THANK YOU. TRUSTEE LENTZ. THEORETICALLY, IF THIS WERE TO BE UP TO CODE VIA INSPECTION, COULD IT BE A SINGLE RENTAL UNIT? AS IT STANDS, I. IF IT WERE UP TO CODE. IF IT WERE THAT CAVEAT, YES. OKAY. SO EFFECTIVELY THIS REZONING WOULD JUST ALLOW FOR MORE UNITS AND THEREFORE MORE RENTALS. BUT IT DOESN'T PREVENT THE WHAT SEEMS TO BE IN THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE OWNER DESIRING TO MAKE THIS A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR 1 TO 5 UNITS. YEAH. IT FUNCTIONALLY EXISTS. IT IS LAID OUT AS A DUPLEX AT THIS POINT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WHERE WHERE THE GOAL WAS TO GET IT TO A DUPLEX, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE ADU REQUEST IS ESSENTIALLY USE THE LEFT HAND SIDE AS AN ADU AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS A HOUSE. THE REZONING REQUEST WOULD GET IT TO A DUPLEX, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, WE HAVE NO MAJOR CONCERNS. I WILL SAY, AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THIS AREA IN A RENTAL HOUSE, THAT KIND OF IS OF THE SAME OLD HOME THAT IS EXISTING AS IT EXISTS NOW, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FITTING ANY SORT OF MASTER PLAN IN THE FUTURE. I, I THINK MY HOME AND THE HOMES AROUND ME ARE NOT ONES THAT FIT WITH THE VISION OF THIS STATE HIGHWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, REGULARLY SEES DRIVERS OF 80 MILES AN HOUR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, PASSING BY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. SO I CONCUR WITH NOT WANTING TO CHANGE THE ZONING AWAY FROM THE SPIRIT OF SOME OF THOSE OTHER MASTER PLAN UPDATES THAT THE PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE SEEN INTEREST IN, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWNSHIP THERE. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. WE WILL BRING BACK A MOTION TO INTRODUCE AND MOTION DENY AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE BOARD'S ACTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. FINALLY, ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ITEM 11 B 2027 BOARD GOALS MANAGER DEMPSEY. [11.B. 2027 Board Goals] YEAH. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REVISED SET OF BOARD GOALS FOR 2027. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD BY THE BOARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. SO I CAN SORT OF STEP THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE AND GET GETS FASTER. SO ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE FIRST ONE HERE IS CERTAINLY HEARD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT TRYING TO DO MORE COORDINATED EFFORTS. AND I THINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, ALONG WITH OUR OTHER REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S REVISED TO REFLECT THAT AS WELL AS FOCUS NOT ONLY ON BUSINESS ATTRACTION, BUT ALSO THE RETENTION FACTOR I THINK IS IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY IN THIS ERA WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE AS MANY NEW BUSINESSES OPENING GENERALLY ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO RETAIN THOSE. AND THEN ALSO SORT OF REFLECTING THE BROADER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND NODES AND NOT NECESSARILY CALLING OUT ANY SPECIFIC AREAS. SO AGAIN, TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT EVERYBODY HAD. SO AND I GUESS I'LL, I GUESS I CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE, OR IF WE WANT TO STOP AND PAUSE, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR THOUGHTS. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT I'M NOT LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THIS THIS EVENING. SO WE CAN ALSO NOODLE ON THESE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL TOOK TIME TO, OF COURSE, TO READ THE PACKET AND COME UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WAS PROVIDED. BOARD MEMBERS WAS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, CONCERN OR DISCUSSION THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE SURROUNDING ANY OF THESE GOALS THAT WERE LAID OUT AS THEY WERE DRAFTED BY [01:35:05] MANAGER DEMPSEY AND STAFF FOLLOWING OUR CONVERSATION AT THE LAST MEETING? CLERK DEMAS. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OR JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE HOUSING BEING INCLUDED IN THESE GOALS. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. SO IT WAS IT IS A GOOD ADDITION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IS A GOAL AMONG BOARD MEMBERS AND IN THE TOWNSHIP TO FOCUS ON HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT. ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THAT THESE GOALS ARE VERY STRONG. I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THEM NOW AS WE ARE PREPARING FOR 2027 BUDGET. GREAT. TRUSTEE TREZISE, I THINK YOU WERE LISTENING TO US. I TRY. IT'S PART OF THE JOB. SO I THINK IT'S VERY WELL DONE. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS AND, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S RELATIVELY CONCISE AND WE AREN'T NECESSARILY CONCISE, THIS BOARD. BUT YOU PUT OUR THOUGHTS DOWN VERY WELL IN A READABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS. OH. TRUSTEE WILSON. I'LL JUST ADD THAT GOALS SHOULD BE ACHIEVABLE. AND I DO THINK THAT THESE ARE ACHIEVABLE. YES. I'M GOING TO QUESTION TWO WORDS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY WHICH IS OR REVISED. YEAH. TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TERM HERE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE IS WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGE AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL, WHERE WE SEE FEWER AND FEWER DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. NOW, CERTAINLY THAT COULD CHANGE AGAIN, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS LIKELY TO BE MORE OF A SELF-FUNDED PROCESS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE TWO THINGS. ONE IS BUDGET CAPACITY OVERALL, RIGHT? THE ABILITY TO DO THESE PROJECTS, BUT ALSO STAFF CAPACITY IN TERMS OF EXECUTING PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK AS WE HEARD TONIGHT ON THE WATER AND SEWER ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL TO BE INVESTING MORE IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT TAKES ON STAFF OR REQUIRES SOME STAFF TO DO THAT, PLUS ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE DO. SO I THINK WE JUST WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE TO PIVOT RIGHT, THEN MAYBE IF IT'S NOT 2035, BUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO SAY IT'S 2038 OR 2040, OR IF THINGS GET BETTER AND WE END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, MORE STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY THERE, MAYBE YOU CAN GO THE OTHER DIRECTION. PROBABLY NOT LIKELY GIVEN THE LEAD TIME FOR THESE THINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. SORRY. JUST ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER GOAL. I THINK THIS IS A GOAL THAT ALL OF US CARE ABOUT. AND I'M SURE WE WOULD LIKE MORE DETAILED A MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION. IF, IF WE HAD THIS ALTERNATE PLAN THAT I KNOW WE ARE ALL WORKING VERY HARD ON. SO I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A DEVELOPING GOAL AND IT MEANS THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING IT DEEPLY WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. WOULD I BE OUT OF LINE TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE WITHIN THAT GOAL, SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO OUR TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED? I MEAN, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. I, I DO WORRY THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF SETTING SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE ACHIEVED IF THE RIGHT PROPERTY OR THE RIGHT PLAN CAN'T BE, CAN'T COME TO FRUITION. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW AND ARE STILL TRYING TO SORT OF GET OFF THE GROUND OF THIS. AND I, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME DECENT LEADS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE, WHICH IS EXCITING. BUT I DON'T KNOW. MANAGER DEMPSEY WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT ON THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF INCLUDING SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND THE GOAL WOULD BE, I THINK WE'RE AT A STAGE NOW WHERE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE ENOUGH TO MAY OF 28, WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO COME BACK POTENTIALLY AT OUR NEXT QUARTERLY UPDATE WITH SORT OF A THEORETICAL OR PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR TWO THINGS. ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SEE POTENTIAL OPENING IF LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WE PURSUE THE [INAUDIBLE] C SMITH, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] SITE AND OKEMOS ROAD, OR ALTERNATIVELY, WHAT IS THE PLANNRF TIMELINE IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, [01:40:07] RIGHT? WE'RE GETTING TO THAT STAGE WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DATES IN MIND FOR THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION, IS TO BRING SOME OF THOSE TIMELINES BACK TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT. YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD EXPAND THE THE GOAL TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT AN INTERIM PLAN SLIGHTLY AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN ASSURE THAT OUR SENIORS THAT, THAT WE ARE WORKING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, WHICH WE WON'T BE BY MAY OF 28, THAT WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME KIND OF GAP PLAN. AND THAT I THINK IS A VERY ACHIEVABLE GOAL FOR 2027 THAT WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE. TRUSTEE WILSON WOULD YOU ADD LANGUAGE THEN AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN OR AN INTERIM PLAN? MAYBE AND, OR. AND OR? I THINK BOTH CAN CONTINUE IN CONJUNCTION. THAT'S TRUE. I THINK IF WE WERE GOING TO PUT A DATE IN, IT WOULD BE 2028. RIGHT. AND WE NEED TO HAVE ESTABLISHED BY THAT TIME THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED A PLAN FOR REPLACING THE SENIOR CENTER OR A BRIDGE PLAN TO ALLOW US TO DO SO. THAT'S THE DEADLINE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR PRACTICALITY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DATE THAT I COULD SEE, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE GETTING TIMELINES AND DATES. WELL BEFORE THAT. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S OUR GOAL. YEAH. WELL, WITH THAT, AND THIS MAY BE SEPARATE TO ADDING ON TO THAT GOAL, BUT THIS CAN RELATE TO THE COMMUNICATIONS GOAL. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS THAT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER. FOUR CORNERS OF OKEMOS, YOU NAME IT. WE HAVE WE HAVE ISSUES THAT TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS ARE VERY INVESTED IN, IN HEARING OUR UPDATES TO. AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE WAS COMMUNICATION OR THERE WAS TALKS OF ADDING COMMUNICATION ONTO THE WEBSITE TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT, WHAT THE HISTORY IS OF THIS PROJECT. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON JUST SO THAT WE CAN DIRECT OUR RESIDENTS TO TO A PLACE TO FIND ANSWERS LIKE A FREQUENTLY ASKED PAGE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE SO IN THE PAST FOR OTHER. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE UPON, YOU KNOW, FILLING IN THOSE BLANKS FOR THAT HISTORY OF SHORT SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE KEY DATES. AND WE CAN WORK WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THE TASK FORCE PAGE IS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE AND DID HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE SET OF DOCUMENTS, SO PERHAPS WE CAN JUST FIND A WAY TO PUT THAT IN A NEW LOCATION WHERE THAT'S NOT THERE. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, AND UPDATE IT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS SINCE, SINCE THE TASK FORCE WAS DISCONTINUED. WELL, HERE'S THE THING. WE ALL KNOW WE ALL KNOW THOSE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE OUT THERE. WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, RIGHT? BUT IT'S JUST PUTTING IT IN A PLACE THAT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE. YEAH, YEAH. WONDERFUL. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK WE'LL HOPEFULLY SEE THESE ON FOR A MEETING. HE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT TO THE SENIOR CENTER. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM 12 IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN AT 7:42 P.M.. SEEING NO ONE RUSHING TO THE PODIUM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AT 7:42 P.M.. NEXT UP IS OTHER MATTERS AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS AND OTHER MATTERS THIS EVENING. SEEING NONE. THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. MOVED BY TRUSTEE . SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE LENTZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE STAND ADJOURNED AT 7:43 P.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.