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          I LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU GUYS. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:30
P.M.. 
          [This meeting starts with no audio]
          [ 1.CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE. ROLL CALL. 
          I'LL START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. COMMISSIONER BROOKS? JACOB'S HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? HERE. AND THAT IS THE. 
          CALL. SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC REMARKS,
PUBLIC REMARKS. 
          AND SO. WE MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. 
          [ 4.APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
WE HAVE THE AGENDA REPORT. YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. 
          SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION AGENDA? ALL IN FAVOR,
SAY AYE. 
          AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. THE MINUTES. NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE
MINUTES? 
          [ 5.APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? THESE ARE EXCELLENT MINUTES. I DID MANAGE TO FIND 1 OR 2 LITTLE TYPOS IN
THE SAME SENTENCE, BOTTOM OF PAGE FOUR. I THINK THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP SEWER SERVICES SHOULD ALL BE
CAPITALIZED. 
          OKAY. ALL CAPS. BUT I ALSO NOTICED AS I WAS GOING THROUGH JUST A COMMENT ON THE QUALITY OF
THE MINUTES. IN EACH PARAGRAPH WHERE SOMEONE IS DESCRIBED AS SPEAKING,
THEY'RE GIVEN THEIR FULL TITLE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. 
          AND THEN LATER IN THAT PARAGRAPH WHEN THEY'RE REFERRED TO,
IT'S JUST MCCONNELL AGAIN, WHICH SAVES A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM. AND THAT IS AN ERROR. 
          I KNOW IT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT. I THINK IT'S A STYLE. 
          OH, AND I LOVE IT. ARE YOU ARE YOU SURE? I AM PERSONALLY. 
          NO. I SEE TIMES WHERE IT SAYS COMMISSIONER LATER ON TOO. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT OKAY. NOT EVERY INSTANCE, BUT IN SOME PARTS. 
          BUT I LIKED IT. WOULD YOU PREFER MR. OR MISS THAN COMMISSIONER? WELL, I DON'T CARE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S AN ERROR. 
          IF YOU'RE JUST SEEING YOUR NAME WITHOUT A TITLE,
THAT'S. 
          THE FIRST TIME IT APPEARS IN A PARAGRAPH. YEAH,
IT SAYS COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT TIME IT'S JUST MR. MCCONNELL NOTED THAT. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE TITLE'S ALREADY BEEN GIVEN. AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          YEAH, I LOVE IT. YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW LITTLE HOW MUCH TYPING THAT REMOVES ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH. NO. IT'S SHORTENED. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. 
          THERE'S ALSO ONE I NOTICED THAT THE CLOSE TO THE TOP OF PAGE FIVE JUST IT SAYS COMMISSION
SHREWSBURY INSTEAD OF COMMISSIONER. 
          AND THE SECOND PARAGRAPH. SECOND SENTENCE OF THE SECOND PARAGRAPH. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER ANYTHING? THERE'S ONE THING THAT I NOTICED. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL CAME IN,
BUT IT SAID IT SAYS PRESENT AND LISTS MCCONNELL AS PRESENT AND THEN LISTS HIM AS ABSENT AS WELL. SO MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE HE WAS. A SHAPESHIFTING. 
          MAYBE BECAUSE HE CAME IN LATER. NO, I DIDN'T. 
          NOPE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY, SO BEHIND THE BEHIND THE CURTAINS WE HAVE AN INTERN NOW,
AND WHEN I HAVE AN INTERN, I LET THEM START ON THE MINUTES AND I'M PICKING THEM UP. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT. SO APOLOGIES. NO,
THEY'RE EXCELLENT QUALITY. 
          THEY REALLY ARE VERY. YEAH. NOT A PROBLEM. JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. I HAVE ONE MORE
QUESTION. YES. IT'S NUMBER TWO ON PAGE ONE WHERE IT SAYS ROLL CALL. CHAIR BROWNBACK CALLED THE ROLL OF THE BOARD. 
          IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE OF THE COMMISSION? IT IS TYPICALLY BEEN BOARD. 
          OKAY. AS A GENERAL. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE A MOVE AND A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WITH THOSE CHANGES SAY AYE. 
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AYE. ANY ABSTENTIONS? AND ANY NAYS OR ABSTENTIONS? NO? COMMUNICATIONS. YOU HAVE A LETTER THAT WAS EMAILED TO US ON FROM THE APPLICANT 
          [6. COMMUNICATIONS ]
ON REZONING NUMBER 26013. I'VE PRINTED THAT OUT AND PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOUR PLACES AND
HAVE A COPY IN THE FILE. 
          THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE AT NUMBER SEVEN PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          SEEING THAT THERE AREN'T ANY, MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 
          [8.A. SUP #26017 – Sheetz ]
A THAT IS SUP NUMBER 26017. OKAY. SHEETZ. ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. READABILITY, I GUESS. THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING FOR SHEETZ INCORPORATED. 
          AS NOTED, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A
SHEETZ GAS STATION, A CONVENIENCE STORE, AND A RESTAURANT AT 1930 AND 1878 WEST GRAND RIVER AVENUE. 
          THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. 
          HUNTINGTON BANK WAS APPROVED HERE. THIS IS THE SITE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THERE'S SOME PARTIAL LINES MOVING AROUND. SO IT'S LIKE UP IN HERE,
BUT YOU HELD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ON JUNE 22ND. YOU AGREED TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE,
AND THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT IS IN THERE. BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD,
WE HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS. 
          STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDED,
MOTION THERE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE MASTER PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE REASONS. I'M SORRY. 
          THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICATION MATERIALS
SUBMITTED. 
          THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD STUFF. SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS REQUIRED AGAIN,
THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          CONTINGENT UPON THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO INCREASE THE
FUEL STATIONS FROM 10 TO 16. 
          THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR AND FIVE ARE JUST
STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT IN A RESOLUTION. AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTED. 
          AND OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT. SORRY,
COMMISSIONER BROOKS. 
          I WAS DOING SOME READING ABOUT HOW CURRENT GAS STATIONS ARE MAKING MONEY AND THEIR
RESOURCES. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS READING WAS THAT A LOT OF THE REVENUE IS COMING FROM
OTHER SOURCES BEYOND FUEL STATIONS OR FUEL PUMPS. 
          AND SO I BELIEVE ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL FUEL
PUMPS, FUEL STATIONS, OR MAKE REVENUE SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROPERTY BUT. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE GIVEN THE STATE OF THE WORLD AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING,
THAT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF GAS STATIONS OVER THE LONG TERM, THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE ADDITIONAL FUEL STATIONS ARE NECESSARY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE COMMISSION. MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH YOUR STAFF? YES. THERE'S NO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF STANDARDS FOR JUDGING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT,
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LIMITING A SPECIFIC LAND USE. AND I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL. 
          WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I WOULDN'T PRO OR CON,
I WOULDN'T USE THAT AS A JUSTIFICATION. 
          I DON'T MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH GAS STATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BAD
POSITION TO TAKE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. I WAS DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH GAS STATIONS. 
          BROADLY. IS THAT IT COMMISSIONER? CAN I TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT THAT? WHILE A GAS STATION IS A PERMITTED USE, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          CORRECT. AS DO SOME OTHER SPECIAL CASE USES. CORRECT. 
          AND THEY'RE THERE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHY DOES A GAS STATION
REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 
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THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ABOUT GAS STATIONS THAT IS WORTHY OF EXTRA SCRUTINY. 
          THEN WE HAVE A LIST OF CRITERIA BY WHICH WE CAN JUDGE WHETHER A GIVEN USE SHOULD BE
ALLOWED THERE. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT NONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS OBVIOUSLY RELEVANT TO A
BROADER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN OR A BROADER ECONOMIC CONCERN. 
          COULD WE HAVE A GLANCE AT THEM? SURE. SO HERE'S THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT. 
          I'M SORRY. THE CONDITIONS, THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC TO A GAS STATION. 
          YEAH. OH, OKAY. SO. WELL, FOR ANY. OKAY. SO THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT. 
          THERE WE GO. THIS IS 86-126. PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSES OF THIS
CHAPTER. 
          CHAPTER B IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. YES, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. 
          IT'S SHOWN COMMERCIAL IN THE MASTER PLAN. CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE LAND USE POLICIES
CONTAINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          CURRENT ADOPTION. IT'S AGAIN, IT'S ZONED APPROPRIATELY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT COMPLIES WITH THE MASTER PLAN. WE'RE CALLING FOR COMMERCIAL. WE'VE GOT OTHER
COMMERCIALLY ZONED COMMERCIALLY MASTER PLAN GAS STATIONS IN THE TOWNSHIP, A DESIGN CONSTRUCTED, OPERATED, MAINTAINED TO BE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE IN APPEARANCE
WITH THE EXISTING INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY. 
          THERE IS AN ATTACHED SITE PLAN. THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN
THE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE C-2 ZONE. 
          I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN 4 AND 5. OKAY. 
          WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT OR BE HAZARDOUS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORING USES. 
          IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. IT IS NOT EXPECTED TO ADVERSELY AFFECT BE
HAZARDOUS TO THE NEIGHBORING USES. 
          YOU'VE GOT GAS STATIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND IT'S WHAT,
A QUARTER TO HALF A MILE WEST OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GAS STATION AS WELL. NUMBER FIVE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING
PROPERTIES OF THE COMMUNITY, SO. THE ONES THAT I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN,
BECAUSE HAVING FOLLOWED THE DISCUSSION FROM AFAR LAST TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE TWO, FOUR AND FIVE WERE KIND OF THE OBJECTS OF DISCUSSION. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE A HAZARD TO HAVE A HOME NEXT TO A GAS STATION? THAT WAS ONE. THAT WAS THAT DIDN'T APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION. 
          THE NEXT ONE. THIS. YES, THAT DID COME UP IN CONVERSATION. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE OTHER IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE. 
          AND IF WE BELIEVE THAT THE ECONOMY IS GOING IN A WAY THAT EVERY GAS STATION IS GOING TO GO
OUT OF BUSINESS, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER VACANT PROPERTY,
THEN THAT COULD BE MADE AN ARGUMENT TO SAY WE DON'T THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE. I WOULD COUNTER AND SAY A VACANT VERIZON BUILDING IS PROBABLY MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ECONOMIC
WELFARE OF THE TOWNSHIP THAN A VIABLE BUSINESS. 
          BUT I CHECKED THAT THAT. INVESTMENT IS BETTER THAN DISINVESTMENT. 
          YEAH, SURE. I NEED TO MAKE A NOTE ON. I'M NOT SAYING THIS,
THOUGH, TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THERE'S NOT A, THAT THE GAS STATION AT THIS LOCATION WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE ISN'T ALLOWED FOR. 
          I'M MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT THE SPECIFIC VARIANCE REQUEST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUELING
STATIONS IS UNNECESSARY, GIVEN THAT MULTIPLE WELL KNOWN NEWS ORGANIZATIONS PUBLISHED WORK IN THE PAST
TWO YEARS, AND INVESTMENT FIRMS THAT MUCH OF THE INCOME FOR GAS STATIONS COMES FROM NON-FUEL
RESOURCES. 
          SO GIVEN THAT AND THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC. 
          WHAT WAS THE WORD. THE SECOND WORD ECONOMIC WELFARE. 
          WELFARE. GAS STATION'S TANKS DO LEAK. THERE ARE EFFECTS OF FUEL STATIONS AND HAVING MORE OF THEM. I ALSO READ THAT SHEETZ HAS ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS AT OTHER LOCATIONS. SO I'M QUITE SKEPTICAL OF THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL,
THE VARIANCE GIVEN ALL THIS. SIMILAR TO TAILGATERS. 
          YEAH. BUT I DID RECEIVE WHO DID RECEIVE THE VARIANCE. 
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NOW I DON'T POINT THAT OUT AS A PRECEDENCE BECAUSE VARIANCES DO NOT CREATE PRECEDENCE. 
          BUT IT IS WORTH NOTING. WELL, AND IT WAS THAT CASE OR THAT CASE THAT PERMIT THAT LED TO ME
THINKING MORE ABOUT THIS AND DOING MORE RESEARCH. 
          AND THEN WE SAW THESE TWO IN WHICH I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS MORE. COMMISSIONER. 
          YEAH, NO, I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF I FORMALLY TOOK OVER. 
          COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. KNOWING THAT WE DON'T APPROVE OR GRANT THE VARIANCE. 
          IT'S THE ZBA THAT DOES. IF WE APPROVE THE SUP AND THIS ZBA SAID NOPE,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THE VARIANCE. 
          THEN THEY'D HAVE TO AMEND THEIR SITE PLAN AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANTED TO PROCEED
WITHOUT THAT, THAT CHANGE. BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HE WOULD LIKE US TO SAY, DON'T GRANT THE VARIANCE AND LET THEM GET BY WITHOUT IT,
OR BECAUSE I GUESS I'M NOT. 
          IT'S NOT YOUR. YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT OURS. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR QUESTION IS SHOULD A GAS STATION GO IN THIS SITE OR NOT,
AND DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TO DO IT? AND I FEEL LIKE IT DOES. WHICH IS WHY I HAD INDICATED THAT I WOULD SUPPORT. 
          NOW IF THEY DO GO FOR THEIR VARIANCE AND FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T GET IT AND SHE DECIDES
TO GO FORWARD, THEY'LL HAVE TO REDESIGN THEIR SITE. AND IF THAT HAPPENS,
THAT WILL BE A THAT'LL BE A CHANGE. 
          REMEMBER THE ONE CONDITION IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MATERIAL SUBMITTED. 
          THERE'LL BE A CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN WILL BRING IT BACK FOR AN AMENDED SNP. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS. MCCURTIS. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION SHEETZ'S HERE? YES, YES. THIS AND,
THIS PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR TOWNSHIP, BUT KNOWING THAT SHEETZ HAS A PLAN TO ALSO PUT ANOTHER STORE OR GAS STATION ON IN EAST LANSING ON ABBOT AND SAGINAW. HOW DOES THAT,
HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE COMPANY IN TERMS OF SHEETZ HASN'T BEEN HERE IN THIS AREA BEFORE. 
          SO NOW HAVING TWO. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WILL THAT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER GENERALLY. AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO FOLLOW UP,
I'LL DEFER. 
          OKAY. HAVING DONE THIS KIND OF WORK. THE QUESTION MAKES SENSE I GUESS. 
          RIGHT. SO THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'VE GOT MODELS,
I'M SURE THAT PREDICT. 
          HERE'S HOW MUCH INCOME WE CAN EXPECT OVER 5 TO 2010. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEIR MODEL GOES FROM A SINGLE SHEETS. 
          AND THEN HERE'S HOW MUCH WE CAN EXPECT FROM THIS SHEETS. 
          THEN THE THEN THEIR MODEL PROBABLY PREDICTS THE CANNIBALIZATION RATE BETWEEN. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT THE CANNIBALISM OF. 
          AND THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE A CALL ON WHETHER IT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH
ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH APPLICATIONS IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFIC TO THEIR PROCESS, I DEFER TO THEM. 
          I KNOW WHERE I WORK. THAT WAS A VERY CONFIDENTIAL SPECIFIC. 
          HERE'S THE REASON WHY I ASK. BECAUSE OF THAT VERY. THE VERY REASON OF CANNIBALISM. 
          AND WILL IT, YOU KNOW, WILL IT AFFECT THIS PARTICULAR. 
          BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, VIABILITY WE'RE LOOKING FOR,
IS THE BUSINESS REALLY IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN LAST A LONG TIME? IF SHEETZ IS HERE WITH THIS APPLICATION THEY HAVE DONE THAT WORK. 
          THEY HAVE DECIDED INTERNALLY THAT THIS IS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING LIKE I DO NOT EXPECT THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE SURPRISED. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AFTER SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. THEIR MODELS ARE ALSO PROBABLY LOOKING AT OTHER GAS STATIONS
AND PREDICTING CANNIBAL. 
          NOT EXACTLY CANNIBALIZATION, BUT HOW MUCH ARE THEY LIKE? HERE'S THE NUMBER. NOW HERE'S HOW MUCH MYERS COSTS US AND HERE'S HOW MUCH. 
          I MEAN, IT GETS DOWN TO TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AGAIN, I WILL DEFER TO THEM FOR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS,
BUT THEY'VE LOOKED AT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP EXTENSIVELY FOR MONTHS. 
          AND MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT SURE IS THE PRICING IS,
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHEETZ IN EAST LANSING, SHEETZ AND MERIDIAN OR IN OKEMOS WILL THE PRICING BE COMPARABLE ABOUT THE SAME. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW HOW THE MARKET. YES, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE MARKET CAN GO UP AND DOWN. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE MAJOR GAS STATION, SPEEDWAY, THEN TAILGATERS ARE COMING IN. SO ALL OF THAT,
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A WRAP AROUND MY HEAD. 
          I GET IT COMPETITION, THAT'S BUSINESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT,
BUT JUST KIND OF AGAIN, A STUDY OF THE VIABILITY OF THOSE THINGS WITH COMPARABLE PRICING 
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WITH COMPARED TO EAST LANSING IN THIS ONE IN OKEMOS AND THEN THE OTHER GAS STATIONS
AROUND. 
          I'M CONFIDENT IT'S GOING TO BE GENERALLY COMPARABLE TO EVERYTHING IN THE AREA. 
          IF YOU WANT, IF I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TALK SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW YOU PRICE YOUR GAS,
BUT JUST A GENERAL. 
          VERY, I'D BE VERY SURPRISED IF THEY RAN A DIFFER. 
          YEAH. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ALEX SIWICKI FROM SHEETZ,
39300 WEST 12 MILE ROAD, FARMINGTON HILLS, MICHIGAN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          TO KIND OF ANSWER OR TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD. 
          BRIAN IS CORRECT IN HIS ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE EXTENSIVE MODELS,
WE DO EXTENSIVE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOCATION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL FOR US. AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DEMOGRAPHICS,
SO THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT AND EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP THEIR LIFESTYLE. 
          AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COMPETITORS THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND NOT JUST FUELING STATIONS,
BUT OTHER RESTAURANTS AND OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES, GROCERY STORES, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. AND WE LOOK AT THAT AND,
YOU KNOW, WE LAND ON A SITE THAT FITS OUR CRITERIA AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL BE A SUCCESS FOR US. AND WE DON'T TAKE THOSE DECISIONS LIGHTLY. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE FACILITY AND LAND
PURCHASING, THIS INVESTMENT WILL COST US APPROXIMATELY $13 MILLION. 
          SO WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. IT'S $13 MILLION. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. REGARDING OTHER STATIONS THAT WE
MIGHT HAVE CLOSE BY, YOU GUYS ALSO HIT THE KEY WORD ON THAT ONE, CANNIBALISM. 
          WE DO A CANNIBALISM STUDY AGAIN, USING ALL OF THOSE STATISTICS AND WE MAKE SURE THAT IT
MEETS OUR, OUR THRESHOLD. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER. 
          THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. COMPETING AGAINST OURSELVES. 
          I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES IT DOES. ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? YEAH. IF I COULD FOLLOW UP, LIKE, KIND OF GOING ALONG THE LINES OF. 
          I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. I'M FORGETTING THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS UPON WHICH YOU GUYS WERE HERE
LAST TIME VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SHEET TODAY, YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE'S A 7-ELEVEN COMING AND
THERE'S ALSO A TAILGATERS. 
          HELLO, FRIENDS. YES. YOU COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THOSE,
THOSE OTHER COMPETITORS IN WHEN YOU DID YOUR ANALYSIS BECAUSE YOU WERE PROBABLY UNAWARE OF THEM,
CORRECT? YES AND NO. 
          OKAY. WE KEEP OUR EAR TO THE GROUND. OKAY. THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS
BECAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF THESE IN BACK TO BACK WEEKS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE YOU START TO THINK ABOUT THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OVER TIME. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT CONCERNS ME MORE THAN ANY GIVEN ANY ONE GIVEN. 
          YEAH, NO, WE DO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. I WILL TELL YOU,
OBVIOUSLY NOT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CITIES WHERE WE HAVE DECIDED TO WALK AWAY BECAUSE SOMEONE BEAT US TO THE PUNCH AND WE DECIDED THAT WASN'T OKAY,
YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE RISK. OKAY. SO EVEN KNOWING WHAT'S COMING,
YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BUILD AND ALL, AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TRYING TO GET INTO MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP? WE ARE OKAY. 
          VERY EXCITED. NOT JUST COMFORTABLE, EXCITED. COMFORTABLE WITH TEN FUELING STATIONS. 
          OH, I THINK OF IT DIFFERENTLY. I AM MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH 16. 
          SURE. WOULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME,
PLEASE? SIWICKI. CKI. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IT WAS MR. SIWICKI, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ANY MORE FOR MR. SIWICKI? MAYBE ONE QUICK ONE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. MAINLY OUT OF CURIOSITY. YOU GUYS SELF-FINANCED THIS KIND OF A
BUILD, OR DO YOU GO OUT AND GET A BANK LOAN OR SOMETHING? SELF-FINANCE. 
          WHICH MEANS YOU LOOK AT IT REALLY CLOSELY. YEAH. 
          SPECIFICALLY ARMAN AND I. IF IT DOESN'T GO WELL,
THEY START TO POINT FINGERS. 
          VERY UNCOMFORTABLE MEETINGS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,
MR. SIWICKI? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR. SIWIKY. COMMISSIONER BROOKS. SO I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE SUP OR
NOT SUP, BUT IN THE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO. 
          WHAT THIS RESOLUTION I THINK I'M INTERPRETING THIS CORRECTLY THAT THE THAT IF WE ARE, 
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WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE. THEN THE,
AND THEN THE BOARD APPROVES IT. 
          BOARD WILL NOT. THIS DOES NOT GO TO THE BOARD OR THE APPROVING BODY IN THIS CASE. 
          OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. SO THEN WE ADOPT THIS. 
          THEN THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE SORT OF REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE. 
          CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. 
          YEAH. AND THEN IF THAT VARIANCE. SO IN THIS CURRENT RESOLUTION. 
          DOESN'T WANT, OR NUMBER THREE POINT NUMBER THREE. 
          SEND A MESSAGE OR DOES IT SEND A MESSAGE TO. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAMES OF ANYTHING THIS
EVENING. 
          THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. THAT WE ARE SAYING WE ARE GOOD WITH THIS,
SO. 
          I CAN ADDRESS THAT. GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE. SO AS YOU KNOW,
A MEMBER OF THE ZBA, THE LIAISON TO THE ZBA I DEFINITELY DO NOT SEE IT AS A TACIT ZBA SHOULD BE APPROVING THAT. 
          I THINK WE'LL BE EVALUATING THAT UNDER ITS OWN MERITS,
UNDER THE CRITERIA LISTED FOR APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE THAT IT MEETS UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND YOU KNOW THAT IT IS BENEFICIAL TO AND IT RIGHTS,
INJUSTICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DEFINITELY DON'T SEE AS A MEMBER OF THE ZBA SPEAKING JUST FOR MYSELF AS THAT THERE
HAVE BEEN ANY PRESSURE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ZBA ACTIONS. 
          AND IF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DBA FEEL THAT WAY,
I'M SURE WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE THE ZBA SHOULDN'T BE INFLUENCED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          WHAT HE SAID. IT WAS A GOOD ANSWER. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ANSWER. 
          IT. THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF, YOU KNOW,
THIS WHOLE DIFFERENT CRITERIA. 
          BUT I THINK THE THING THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH,
THOUGH, IS THAT WE'VE SEEN A SITE PLAN AND WE ARE MAKING A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE IT. 
          SO WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE SITE PLAN. OR NOT THE SITE PLAN,
SORRY, SORRY, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          CORRECT. ACCORDING TO THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN. 
          CORRECT. RIGHT, SO THEN WE ARE IN FACT SAYING THAT WE ARE PUTTING OUR APPROVAL ON THIS
RESOLUTION PLAN THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR ORDINANCE. I'M NOT SURE. 
          YES. JUST LIKE YOU DID PREVIOUSLY. JUST LIKE YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO AGAIN. 
          IT IS NORMAL FOR A, FOR, IT'S, IN FACT, IT'S IN MICHIGAN PLANNING CODE. 
          SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE TO BE FOLLOWED UP AND ATTACHED TO SITE PLANS. 
          YOU HAD THE RESTAURANT RECENTLY THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT WITH. THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY EXTERNAL
CHANGES, BUT WE DID GO THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS. RIGHT. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS NORMAL PROCEDURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, SORRY. IN THIS INSTANCE,
I'M NOT. 
          WILLING TO DO THAT. I'M DONE. I, IF I MIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND THAT I'LL CALL IT A BOUNDARY THERE IS
THAT THE MATERIALS THAT ARE SUBMITTED WITH AN APPLICATION FOR AN SUP ARE RELATIVELY GENERAL. 
          THEY'RE NOT AS SPECIFIC AS REQUIRED FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW,
SO AS LONG. 
          AND THAT'S THE JOB OF THE PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND SAY,
OKAY, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RATHER THAN US TRYING TO DO THAT AT THIS STAGE. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO GO THAT FAR AT THIS
STAGE. 
          YEAH. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU'RE GENERALLY RIGHT. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK BOTH APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE TALKING TO MDOT, GETTING MDOT STANDARDS ON WHAT THEIR ENTRANCE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. 
          DRAIN COMMISSION IS NOT GOING TO GIVE APPROVAL AT THIS STAGE,
BUT THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN TALKING TO THE DRAIN COMMISSION'S OFFICE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXPECT DURING SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO THEY'RE BEING VERY PROACTIVE. 
          WE DO NOT EXPECT THE ULTIMATE SITE PLAN TO DEVIATE FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN IN THE
PREVIOUS PACKET. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS? AND NOTING I CAME IN LATE,
I THINK THAT WOULD PUT US AT THE POINT WHERE WE'D BE HAVING A ROLL CALL VOTE. 
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I NEED A MOTION AND A SUPPORT TO THE RESOLUTION. 
          MOTION TO. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 26017,
TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE AND RESTAURANT AT THE PROPERTY OF 1930 AND 1878 WEST GRAND RIVER AVENUE, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS FOUND IN THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. 
          DO I NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE REASONS? THAT IS UP TO YOU. 
          BUT I THINK YOU CAN JUST SAY, AS NOTED IN THE AS NOTED IN THE PACKET. 
          ANY SUPPORT. AND WE HAVE SUPPORT. MOVED BY VICE CHAIRMAN MCCURTIS. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. AND WE WILL ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          CORRECT. MR. SHORKEY. YES. OR YES. ANY DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. THEN WE CAN MOVE TO VOTE. 
          PLEASE. ROLL CALL. VOTE. YES. ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          COMMISSIONER BROOKS? NO. COMMISSIONER NAHUM? YES. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN MCCURTIS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? YES. CHAIR VOTES YES. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR COMING. THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          OKAY. I WILL. OUTSTANDING. I'LL GET AN OFFICIAL LETTER OF APPROVAL OUT THIS WEEK. 
          THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO 8.B UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 
          [8.B. SUP #26018 – 7Eleven ]
THAT WOULD BE SUP NUMBER 26018. 7-ELEVEN. SURE. 
          I WILL GET IN THE GROOVE HERE SOON MR. SHORKEY,
I APOLOGIZE. I'M SORRY. 
          I WILL GET IN THE GROOVE HERE. I'M FORGETTING ALL THE PROCEDURES AS WE'RE ALL GOOD. 
          AND MEMBERS OF THE. I COLOR CODED YOUR ZONING MAP IN THIS FOR REASONS. 
          OKAY, THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT 26018,
WHICH IS A TO CONSTRUCT A 7-ELEVEN GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE AT 2736 GRAND RIVER AVENUE. I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT TO THIS. 
          THERE WAS CONFUSION OVER WHERE THE DISTRICT LINES WERE. 
          THE ZONING DISTRICT LINES WERE. AND ON THE APPLICATION ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          DOING CONVERSATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, I NOTED THAT THE PARCEL VIEWER WAS SHOWING A
SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF PROPERTY AS RESIDENTIALLY AS COMMERCIALLY ZONED, THAT WE THOUGHT WAS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED. 
          IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR APPLICATION AND IN VARIANCES THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. 
          THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE END OF WARD CLIFF DRIVE RIGHT HERE. 
          I WILL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE. SO ALL OF THIS SALMON COLOR IS COMMERCIAL
ZONING. 
          C-2 COMMERCIAL SPECIFICALLY. THIS TANNISH COLOR IS R-X WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. 
          SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE FIRST VARIANCE ON THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT REGARDING
86-404(B)(3), WHICH WAS A REQUIRED REAR SETBACK ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          THAT REAR SETBACK IS NOT MEASURED FROM THIS. IT'S MEASURED FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT WAS ORIGINALLY A REAR SETBACK OF 24.4FT WHICH WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A VARIANCE. 
          HOWEVER, THE REQUIREMENT FOR REAR SETBACK TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS 100FT. 
          60FT IF SCREENING, INTERPRETING AND INCORPORATING DOUBLE ROW OF INTERLOCKING TREES OR IT DOESN'T SAY, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU IN THE AUDIENCE WHERE IT SAYS OR SOMETHING COMPARABLE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES WITH AN EIGHT-FOOT OPAQUE FENCE. 
          I DID CHECK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE,
WE ALLOW AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS AN OPAQUE BARRIER BETWEEN THE PROPOSED 7-ELEVEN AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          THE SECOND. SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT 100,
THAT VARIANCE TO THE 100-FOOT SETBACK. 
          THE SECOND VARIANCE WAS A THREE. THAT'S A GENERAL I MISSPOKE. 
          THAT'S A GENERAL SETBACK IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. THE SECOND VARIANCE IS SPECIFIC ABOUT 100 FOOT ABOUT 300 FOOT VARIANCE. 
          IT'S SPECIFIC TO GAS STATIONS TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. 
          THERE IS A VARIANCE STILL REQUIRED FOR THAT. 300FT IS A VERY LONG DISTANCE. 
          THE PREVIOUS VARIANCE WAS OVER 275FT. AGAIN THEY THOUGHT IT WAS 24.4FT BECAUSE 
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THIS WAS THIS WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT TO BE A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. 
          IT'S NOT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE NEAREST POINT IS 129.9FT AWAY. 
          SO THE VARIANCE OF 275.6FT IS NOW 170.1FT, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS. 
          THERE IS A VARIANCE REQUIRED. OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES A FOUR FOOT BUILDING PERIMETER
LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE AND THE SIDEWALK. 
          THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW THAT. AND THEY WANT THAT TO BE WAIVED. 
          SO THESE ARE THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN TO,
IN THE ANY, ANY SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN TO BE APPROVED. 
          NOTE THERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TEN FUEL STATIONS. 
          STAFF HAS SPOKEN WITH ONE LOCAL LANDOWNER THAT SUGGESTED IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING AND
IN THE. 
          IF THE ROAD DEPARTMENT IS WILLING TO PLAY BALL WITH THIS IDEA THAT PERHAPS A NON-MOTORIZED
CONNECTION COULD BE MADE TO THE END OF WARD CLIFF DRIVE. 
          SO THAT THE RESIDENTS UP HERE MIGHT TRAVEL SAFELY TO THE SITE. 
          I DID GO VISIT THE AREA LAST WEEK. PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT ANYWAY TO GET TO GRAND RIVER
AVENUE. 
          IT'S WHAT WE REFER TO INFORMALLY AS A GOAT TRAIL BECAUSE IT'S BEEN,
YOU KNOW, AS YOU THINK THE GROUND'S BEEN BEATEN. 
          IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF IT WERE FORMALLY DONE. 
          I PROPOSE THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT IS IN THE,
IN IN THE PACKET. 
          THIS THEN IS THE RESULTING PLAN. BACK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO YOU HAVE A STORE HERE. YOU HAVE PARKING,
YOU HAVE YOUR FUEL ISLANDS. 
          IT GOES AROUND. THIS IS THE, THIS IS, THERE'S,
SO THE 62.4FT IS MEASURED FROM THE DUMPSTERS IN THIS CASE. 
          AND THEN THE 300 FOOT SETBACK IS MEASURED FROM THE CANOPY TO THIS POINT HERE. 
          NOTE AGAIN THIS IS COMMERCIAL ZONING. THERE IS A QUESTION OF,
HEY, THIS IS NEXT DOOR TO APARTMENTS. 
          AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REFER TO BEING NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          IT REFERS TO PROXIMITY OF ZONING AND THIS, THIS APART,
THIS RIGHT HERE. 
          SORRY. I'LL BACK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS COMMERCIAL. 
          WE DO HAVE ANOTHER SPOT IN THE TOWNSHIP WHERE WE HAVE A TOWNSHIP WHERE WE HAVE A GAS
STATION NEXT DOOR TO ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE MARATHON, FORMERLY SPEEDWAY ON THE CORNER OF OKEMOS AND HASLETT ROAD ON THE SOUTHWEST
CORNER IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST. SO THIS IS NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT,
BUT IT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF OUR OF OUR GAS STATIONS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL ZONING,
NOT COMMERCIAL ZONING WITH A HOTEL. STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED. I CAN CONTINUE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. 
          THEY CAN CONTINUE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. DID I REPRESENT YOU? OKAY. REPRESENT YOUR VIEWPOINT ACCURATELY. YES. 
          QUESTIONS FROM MR. SHORKEY? JUST ONE FROM ME,
MR. SHORKEY. SO BASED ON THESE AMENDMENTS AND THEN OUR DISCUSSION WAS WE WANTED SOME MORE
INFORMATION FOR TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN POTENTIALLY NEXT WEEK WOULD BE OR IN 27TH WOULD BE THE VOTE. 
          CORRECT. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE NOTICES THAT WENT OUT,
THE NOTICES WENT OUT FOR THE LAST MEETING. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO BE RE NOTICED FOR THIS MEETING. 
          NO. OKAY. NO. THERE'S ONE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU'VE HAD IT. 
          OKAY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION. 
          VERY GOOD. OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. SHORKEY? FORGIVE ME. 
          YEAH. OKAY. SEEING NONE. I WAS JUST GATHERING MY THOUGHTS. 
          THE THING I KEEP THINKING ABOUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR SUP IS THAT. 
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ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUILDING TO THE EAST. 
          IF THIS WAS TO BECOME A GAS STATION. AND WHILE THE LETTER OF THE ORDINANCE IS 300FT FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE IS 300FT FROM WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. 
          CAN I ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK? YEAH. SO I FEEL THAT THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE YOU KNOW,
THE CRITERIA FOR THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT OR BE HAZARDOUS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORING USES. AND SO THAT'S NEIGHBORING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ZONING
HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVE THERE. DO WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ADVERSE TO THEM,
YOU KNOW, USING THEIR PROPERTY AND RESIDING THERE? AND SO THAT'S WHERE MY HANGUP IS, IS NOT ACTUAL DIMENSIONAL DISTANCE FROM ZONING,
BUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A NEIGHBORING USE THAT IN MY MIND IS ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY HAVING A GAS STATION RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I FEEL IS HOW I WOULD ADDRESS THAT CRITERIA. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. 
          OTHERS? ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE CAN'T APPROVE TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE THIS HAS TO MOVE TO THE 27TH. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH WAY YOU'D LIKE TO GO
THOUGH. 
          WITH THAT MEMBERS, CAN WE DO A QUICK STRAW POLL? THOSE THAT WOULD SAY WOULD VOTE YES. INFORMAL STRAW POLL. 
          THOSE THAT WOULD VOTE NO. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO CALL US. 
          I'M SORRY. SO. YES. YES. OKAY, LET'S. LET'S TRY AGAIN. 
          THOSE WHO FOR A STRAW POLL, INFORMAL PURPOSES,
WOULD VOTE YES. 
          THOSE THAT WOULD VOTE NO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WILL BE BACK ON THE 27TH. 
          I GUESS WHAT. I WILL BRING BOTH RESOLUTIONS,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFIC OBJECTIONS TO SAY THAT THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS. 
          I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC THAN I THINK IT'S HAZARDOUS TO PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO A
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF GAS STATIONS NEXT TO NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          SO FOR THOSE COMMISSIONERS ON THE NO SIDE WOULD I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE FORCED TO. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT YOUR I NEED TO KNOW. COMMISSIONER NAHUM. 
          YEAH. SO WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR HANG UP? OKAY. 
          YEAH. SO I MEAN, SO YEAH, MY SPECIFIC HANG UP IS I SPEND A LOT OF TIME AROUND GAS STATIONS
RUNNING AROUND AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE REFUELING. THE FILTERS ARE ARE QUITE POWERFUL. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS HAZARDOUS TO THE YOU KNOW,
NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL USAGE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY WAY TO AMELIORATE THAT BECAUSE THE FUEL IS COMING
FROM LIKE YOU KNOW, THE TANK BEING FILLED AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GOOD WAY TO FILTER THAT. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S A FAIR BIT OF EVIDENCE THAT EXPOSURE TO THAT,
ESPECIALLY LONG TERM EXPOSURE BEING RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT IS HAZARDOUS. 
          SO THAT THAT'S MY FEELING OF LIKE, IF THEY, IF THERE WAS 300FT TO THE NEAREST HOUSE,
THEN I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO IT. 
          BUT HAVING IT LIKE, WAS IT 24FT OR, YOU KNOW,
IT'S A VERY SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PUMPS, NOT 24FT. BUT CAN I, CAN I BRING THE APPLICANT UP? LET'S LET HIM FINISH. AND THEN YES, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONER NAHUM DID. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS MY CONCERN,
MY FEELINGS ON WHY I FELT THAT IT WAS HAZARDOUS AND WHY I'M IN THE STRAW POLL VOTING AGAINST ADOPTING. MAYBE I'LL TELL YOU, BUT I HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAK ON THAT WHICH
SHE CAN ADDRESS ALL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          YEAH, I WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER BROOKS,
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL IF THEY WISH TO PUT THEIR OBJECTIONS ON THE RECORD, AND THEN. MAYBE THEN THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS ALL AT ONCE. OBVIOUSLY NOT REQUIRED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER
MCCONNELL OR COMMISSIONER BROOKS. 
          MAY I ADDRESS THE POINT? SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS SUPPLIED ME WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT I.
THAT'S NOT OKAY. 
          OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. YOU CAN'T SEE THIS. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO COME UP AND SHOW YOU THE APPLICANT ON THEIR. 
          ON THEIR SCREEN HAS TAKEN A MEASUREMENT OF THE PDF IT IS 211.5FT BETWEEN THE TANKS AND
THAT APARTMENT AND THE PROPERTY LINE TO THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE BUILDING, THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. AND IT'S THAT THE TANKS ARE NO CLOSER THAN THE FUEL PUMPS. 
          THE TANKS ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS THE EAST PROPERTY EAST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. IT'S OVER 211FT BETWEEN THE TANKS AND THAT PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT I DO HAVE THIS INFORMATION FROM ME. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT INFORMATION
ABOUT HOW THE 
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FILLING OF GAS STATION TANKS IS REGULATED AND WHAT KIND OF EMISSIONS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO
PRODUCE UNDER STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. MY SENSE, BASED ON NO RELIABLE INFORMATION,
IS THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS STEADILY IMPROVED OVER TIME, THAT THE EMISSIONS FROM REFILLING GASOLINE TANKS ARE MUCH
LESS THAN THEY WERE MANY YEARS AGO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE, AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. MY VOTE FOR NO
WAS MORE OUT OF IGNORANCE ON THAT QUESTION THAN A FEELING AGAINST THE PROJECT,
PER SE. 
          SO YOUR SOLVE FOR IS MORE FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE EMISSIONS. 
          YEAH. AND MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. 
          MANDY GOSS I'M WITH CSO, THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. 
          13060 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 27, DEWITT, MICHIGAN,
48820. 
          I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY HOME ADDRESS. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT TO
DISCUSS THIS. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE PRESENTATION, I CAN SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE
BUILDING. I KNOW WE WERE MISSING A FEW OF THE MEMBERS AT THE LAST MEETING, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A BETTER VISUAL OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING,
JUST TO MAKE YOU FEEL MAYBE A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO HERE. 
          SO THIS IS A PROPOSED 7-ELEVEN GAS STATION. IT IS ONLY GOING TO BE TEN FUELING POSITIONS,
FIVE DISPENSERS. 
          OUR DISPENSERS ARE PERPENDICULAR TO GRAND RIVER AND THE UNDER THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE
TANKS ARE ACTUALLY, LIKE HE MENTIONED, ALL THE WAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ON THE RIGHT EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN WHERE THE FUELING WILL DROP WILL HAPPEN
AND WHERE THAT RESIDENTIAL USE IS IN USE AS FAR AS THE APARTMENTS GO. 
          WITH THAT, I WILL NOTE I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT EMISSIONS,
BUT I'M GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND I WILL DEFINITELY EMAIL IT AND HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THIS DOES MEET ALL THE STANDARDS. 
          STATE STANDARDS, GAS STATIONS ARE DEFINITELY REGULATED A LOT MORE HEAVILY THAN THEY EVER
HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS YEARS OR OLDER STATIONS. YOU HAVE THOSE LEAKS,
YOU HAVE ISSUES. 
          THESE ARE ALL DOUBLE WALLED TANKS. EVERYTHING IS MONITORED. 
          SO IF WATER GETS IN OR LIQUID GETS OUT, IT'S GOING TO GET CAUGHT BEFORE IT EVER EVEN GETS
INTO THAT GROUNDWATER. 
          SO WATER'S NOT GETTING INTO THESE TANKS. GASOLINE IS NOT GETTING OUT. 
          THEY VERY, VERY HEAVILY MONITOR IT. THERE'S A LOT OF YOU KNOW,
ALERTS IMMEDIATELY GO OUT. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE OLD SCHOOL GAS STATION MINDSET DEFINITELY HAS COME A VERY LONG WAY. 
          AND THESE ARE VERY WELL MONITORED. SO I CAN DEFINITELY GET THE INFORMATION ON THE
EMISSIONS, BUT I DO KNOW WHEN THEY DROP FUEL THEY'LL BE DROPPING. 
          IT'S USUALLY 2 TO 3 TIMES A WEEK. JUST DEPENDS ON HOW BUSY THE STATION IS. 
          USUALLY MORE LIKELY TO, BUT NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT THREE BECAUSE IF IT'S REALLY BUSY,
IT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GET THE INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM 7-ELEVEN AND HAVE IT AND PROVIDE IT
TO BRIAN TO GIVE TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING FOR SURE. 
          I MISSED THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH
SOMETHING TWICE. BUT IF YOU COULD JUST. 
          MAYBE I MISSED IT TOO, SO. SO YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH THE WEBSITE,
JUST THROUGH THE INTERNET, I NEEDED TO DO. OH IT WAS THE ONE THAT WASN'T CONNECTED,
RIGHT? YEAH. TRY THAT. I THINK I'VE EVER ONE OF THEM. 
          I'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. HAVE A GOOD VISUAL OF WHAT? I CAN PLUG IT IN. BUT INTUITION WAS THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT IS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT THE STUDENTS FROM WHOLE FOODS. 
          DO SOMETHING I DO ON MY END. NO, WE HAD TO WAIT BEFORE,
DIDN'T WE? I THINK I HAD TO HIT SOMETHING SCREEN SHARE LIKE. 
          YOU CHECK MY DISPLAY SETTINGS REAL QUICK. USUALLY WORKS RIGHT AWAY. 
          I COULD TRY THE OTHER CORD TOO, IF WE'RE NOT SURE. 
          THAT I. I'M SHOWING TWO MONITORS, SO. LET ME ACTUALLY DUPLICATE. OKAY, THAT'S GOING BACK. LET ME TRY THE OTHER CHORD. 
          SEE WHAT COMES UP. I MEAN, MIGHT AS WELL. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THAT ONE, BUT. OH, THERE WE GO. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. 
          SO THIS IS THE BUILDING ELEVATION. I'LL JUST JUMP AHEAD THOUGH TO THE FUN PARTS HERE JUST
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. WE DO HAVE CROSS CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING
LOT TO THE WEST. 
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SO THE FUELING TRUCK AS YOU CAN SEE, WOULD ENTER FROM WHOLE FOODS. 
          IT WOULD DROP FUEL ON THE PASSENGER SIDE. THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR FUEL TRUCKS. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD PULL OUT AND EXIT ONTO GRAND RIVER. 
          THE DRIVEWAY ON GRAND RIVER IS PROPOSED RIGHT IN,
RIGHT OUT ONLY. 
          THAT HAS BEEN WORKED OUT WITH MDOT. THEY HAVE REVIEWED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THEY'VE APPROVED PROVED THAT ACCESS GEOMETRICS AS YOU SEE IT ON THE PLAN TODAY. 
          THAT DARKER SHADED AREA IS LIKE A STAMPED DECORATIVE CONCRETE KIND OF DELINEATE BETWEEN
THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IT ALLOWS THAT TRUCK MOVEMENT TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT WITHOUT DAMAGING GRASS OR
LANDSCAPING. 
          SO JUST TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY MDOT AS DRAWN IN HERE. 
          SO OVER HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IS THE UNDERGROUND FUEL TANKS. 
          SO IT IS ABOUT 211FT FROM THE SIDE OF THIS TANK TO THIS PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST. 
          SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT DIMENSION AS WELL. AS FAR AS THE VARIANCE,
THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A SINGLE ROW HEDGE OF EVERGREENS VERSUS A DOUBLE
ROW, AS IN NOTED IN THE ORDINANCE. ONE OF THE, I KNOW THERE WAS A RESIDENT HERE LAST TIME WHO
HAD REQUESTED AN ACTUAL FENCE. 
          SO WITH THE EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE AND THEN A SINGLE ROW OF ARBORVITAE,
WE FEEL LIKE IT PROVIDES THAT SCREENING. 
          AND WE ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT YELLOW HATCH ON THE SCREEN. 
          THOSE ARE EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR PROBABLY YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF AVOID GETTING ALL OUR LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THOSE
EASEMENTS AS WELL. 
          SO BY GOING WITH THE SINGLE ROW, WE WERE ABLE TO STAY OUTSIDE OF THAT EASEMENT AREA ALONG
THAT REAR LOT LINE. 
          SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THE DIMENSIONS. 
          THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE BEING REQUESTED HERE THIS DIMENSION HERE IS THE 129.9. 
          SO IT'S FROM THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING CORNER TO THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL CANOPY, WE ARE A LITTLE FURTHER,
I THINK WE'RE LIKE 226 THERE. 
          SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SPATIAL DIMENSIONING THERE FOR THE VARIANCE TO
GIVE YOU AN IDEA. 
          AS FAR AS THE BUILDING PERIMETER LANDSCAPING,
I KNOW WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THAT. 
          THE WAY IT IS THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT DOES MENTION THAT IT CAN BE INCORPORATED EITHER
AT THE BUILDING OR ELSEWHERE ON SITE AS CAN BE APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. SO JUST TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT,
WE ARE PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO THE SIDES OF BOTH OF THE BUILDING TO KIND OF HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING. AGAIN,
THE REQUEST FOR NOT HAVING IT ALONG THE FRONT, WE PREFER TO KEEP MORE OF IT UP ALONG GRAND RIVER,
JUST TO HAVE A GREAT SCREENING ALONG THE MAIN ROADWAY. 
          AND ALSO IT'S KIND OF A TRIP HAZARD IF YOU GET ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          MULCH TENDS TO GET OUT THEN OR ROCK DEPENDING IF YOU USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LANDSCAPE
MATERIALS. 
          AND WE TRY TO AVOID TRIP HAZARDS WITH AT ALL POSSIBLE ON THESE 7-ELEVEN SITES. 
          ALONG THE FRONT, YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE BOLLARDS,
WE DO HAVE FLUSH SIDEWALKS ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING. WE DO NOT DO A RAISED CURB. AGAIN, WE LIKE TO PREVENT THOSE TRIP HAZARDS,
HAVE EVERYTHING BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          SO THEY DO, WE DO HAVE THOSE BOLLARDS ACROSS THE FRONT,
WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS VIDEO, THEY ARE A DARKER BLACK COLOR. THEY'RE NOT BRIGHT YELLOW. 
          THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, RED. THEY'RE NOT BRIGHT. 
          THEY JUST KIND OF BLEND IN. SO THIS IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE
PROPOSING. 
          THIS IS THE 711 WHICH THIS STATION WILL BE. THIS BUILDING YOU'RE SEEING IN THE RENDERING
IS THE LIGHT TONES. 
          I KNOW THE ELEVATIONS WE SUBMITTED ARE THE DARKER TONES WE'D BE HAPPY TO GO WITH. 
          IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE OVER ONE OR THE OTHER,
WE'D BE HAPPY TO GO WITH WHICHEVER ONE YOU WOULD PREFER. WE'RE NOT PICKY ON THAT, SO BE HAPPY, WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THE TOWNSHIP WANTS. 
          BUT THIS VIDEO JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA. IT'S A VERY MODERN STORE. 
          THIS STORE HAS NOT BEEN OPENED YET THAT I'M AWARE OF IN MICHIGAN. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I THINK WILL BE OPENING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. SO
IT'D BE KIND OF EXCITING TO SEE ACTUALLY SEE THESE IN PERSON BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE ONE DONE. 
          BUT THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA RENDERING OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE SITE. 
          THIS LOCATION WILL NOT HAVE A PHYSICAL RESTAURANT. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF YOUR GRAB AND GO TYPE OF FOODS. 
          SO JUST MADE UP, MADE TO GET, GET AND GET ON THE ROAD. 
          SO I KNOW ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS MAKING A CROSS CONNECTION TO THE REAR HERE,
WHICH WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK WORK WITH THE COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION TO FIND A WAY TO CONNECT FROM THE CUL DE SAC TO OUR SIDEWALK HERE,
PROBABLY ON THE SIDE, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH
EVERYBODY SO. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER NAHUM. YEAH, SO I WAS LOOKING MORE INTO POSSIBLE HEALTH
CONSEQUENCES TO NEIGHBORING. 
          DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY HOW MUCH FUEL YOU EXPECT TO SELL IN A DAY? I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE STUDIES SHOWING THAT HIGHER USE GAS STATIONS HAD MORE NEGATIVE
CONSEQUENCES. 
          [00:55:03]
YEAH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTIONS WERE FOR THIS ONE? NO, I DON'T. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO COME TO THAT MICROPHONE. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT. I SHOULD START PUTTING THAT. AND ALSO GET THAT NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE
RECORD, PLEASE SIR. JOHN KRUPKA 135 EAST WESTMINSTER. 
          LAKE FOREST, ILLINOIS. WE'RE 7-ELEVENS DEVELOPER ON THE PROJECT. 
          I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY GALLONS THEY INTEND ON FUELING HERE. 
          WE JUST KNOW THAT THE ECONOMICS WORK TO SATISFY THE PROJECT. 
          I CAN GET YOU SOMETHING BALLPARK FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, I SUSPECT IT'S MORE THAN THE THRESHOLD THAT I'M SEEING,
WHICH IS ONLY IF THE STATIONS THAT SELL MORE THAN 260 GALLONS A DAY, WHICH I PRESUME YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO DO. 
          WELL, MORE THAN THAT. YEAH. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH REGARDS TO, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER NOW IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO
ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT'S TO OUR EAST, THE APARTMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. SO IT IS A NON CONFORMING USE. 
          WE LOOK TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR PROJECT. I THINK IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THAT
PROPERTY LIVES UP TO ITS COMMERCIAL ZONING. 
          JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. THIS ENTIRE CORRIDOR IS CHANGING. 
          BUT WE LIKE TO THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING CHANGE THAT AND IMPROVE IT AND BRING
SOMETHING FRESH TO THE LOCAL MARKET. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OTHERS? I'M JUST CURIOUS, AS THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROJECT,
WHO DETERMINES HOW BIG THE FUEL STORAGE TANKS ARE THAT GO INTO THE GROUND. 
          THAT'S 7-ELEVEN. AND IT'S BASED ON THEIR VOLUME PROJECTIONS FOR THE FOR THE STORE. 
          THEY MUCH LIKE SHEETZ, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC MODELS. 
          AND SO 7-ELEVEN WORKS IS THEY HAVE SPECIFIC TANK SIZES THAT THEY UTILIZE BASED ON THE
NUMBER OF DISPENSERS FOR THE SITE. 
          SO IT IS SIZED ACCORDINGLY TO SERVICE THAT STATION WITH TWO LIKE A TRIP EVERY OTHER 2 TO 3
DAYS. 
          SO THEY DON'T WANT TO BE FILLING IT EVERY DAY. THEY DON'T WANT,
YOU KNOW, FOR EFFICIENCY. BUT SO THEY DEFINITELY HAVE A STAND, A BRAND STANDARD. AND IN THE SIZE OF THOSE TANKS ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DISPENSERS. 
          AND IF THEY'RE FILLING THE TANK EVERY 2 TO 3 DAYS,
HOW BIG'S THE TANK? SO THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A 20,000. 
          LET ME OPEN LET ME ZOOM IN A LITTLE HERE JUST BECAUSE I GOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS.
THERE'S A 20,000 GALLON TANK. 
          AND THEN THERE IS WHAT WE CALL A SPLIT TANK,
WHICH IS ANOTHER 20,000 GALLON TANK. 
          IT'S 12,000 GALLON DIESEL AND 8,000 GALLON PREMIUM. 
          THAT'S ASSUMING THEY ARE FILLING IT EVERY 2 TO 3 DAYS. 
          THERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT 7-ELEVEN OPERATES THAT GET REFUELED ONCE A WEEK. 
          AND I THINK INTUITIVELY, WE WERE JUST KIND OF HAVING AN OFFLINE YEAR,
PUTTING THIS RIGHT NEXT TO A WHOLE FOODS, RIGHT NEXT TO A TRADER JOE'S. I WOULD IMAGINE THIS WOULD BE A HIGH VOLUME. 
          LOOK, I'M NO ECONOMIST, AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GAS STATIONS. BUT THERE'S A REASON YOU
PICKED THAT SPOT. 
          ABSOLUTELY THERE IS. BUT EVEN LIKE I SAID, WITH THE FIVE DISPENSERS,
THESE TANKS WOULD BE ABOUT EVERY. 
          LIKE I SAID, TWO IS KIND OF ON AVERAGE 2 TO 3,
DEPENDING ON. 
          SO YEAH. AND WELL, LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT IT. 
          THERE COULD BE A LOT OF MSU STUDENTS GOING DOWN GRAND RIVER TO GET OUT IF THEY LIVE ON THE
EAST SIDE OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE. SO YOU'RE CATCHING MSU TRAFFIC, YOU'RE CATCHING TRADER JOES, YOU'RE CATCHING WHOLE FOODS. 
          SO YEAH. AND THE HUNGRY STUDENTS WALKING FROM THE. 
          YES. YEAH. NO, NO, I MEAN, I THE LOGIC IS SOUND. 
          I'M JUST SAYING LIKE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THREE I THREE SEEMS PROBABLY MUCH MORE UNLESS
IT'S SUMMERTIME, BUT THREE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE. COULD I. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL BOTHER YOU TO SHOW ME
THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE SITE ONCE AGAIN SINCE I MISSED IT LAST MEETING? I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT STAMPED CONCRETE TO ALLOW THE TRUCKS TO MAKE THAT WIDE TURN. 
          I HEARD YOU SAY RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. CORRECT. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT
TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THIS DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE A BAD CHOICE,
GIVEN OUR US AS DRIVERS IN THIS WORLD. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT DESIGN IS GOING TO DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM
THAT BAD CHOICE? YES. YEAH. SO WITH THIS DESIGN, IT DOES HAVE THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE. 
          IT IS RAISED. IT'S NOT A FLUSH ISLAND. IT IS AN ELEVATED ISLAND,
WHICH IS THE REASON FOR ADDING THE INTERIOR PAVEMENT FOR THAT TRUCK MOVEMENT SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO OVER THE ISLAND TO GET IN AND OUT OR TO GET OUT. 
          [01:00:01]
NOT IN, SORRY. SO THAT THAT ISLAND IS SLIGHTLY,
YOU KNOW, HAS A RADIUS TO KIND OF HELP DRIVE THOSE MOVEMENTS. 
          YOU WILL NOTICE TOO WITH THAT SIGNAL IN THE LOCATION TRAFFIC,
I MEAN WILL HELP DETER THAT AS WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TRAFFIC SITTING THERE. ANYBODY THAT KNOWS THE AREA AND IS THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT SIGNAL TO GET OUT
BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER, SAFER JUST AN EASIER MANEUVER. SO IT DOES HAVE THE ISLAND AND IT WILL HAVE SOME SIGNAGE
THAT WILL SAY LEFT, NO LEFT, RIGHT TURN ONLY, NO LEFT. ONE OF THE TWO,
WHATEVER MDOT IS GOING TO BE. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST DRIVE ME THROUGH, SAY I'VE JUST COME FROM WHOLE FOODS. 
          DECIDED TO GET GAS ON MY WAY HOME. STOP AT ONE OF YOUR DISPENSERS. 
          I COME OUT ONTO GRAND RIVER AND I GO EAST ON GRAND RIVER. 
          I GO BACK TO MY PRESENTATION. I'VE GOT YOUR PLAN HERE,
I GOT YOU. 
          I GOT THE AERIAL TO, I THINK. HERE, LET ME SEE. 
          I JUST GOT TO GET IT ON THE OTHER SCREEN. PROPER CIRCULATION SHOULD BE BACK THROUGH THE
CROSS AXIS WITH WHOLE FOODS TO THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          UTILIZING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO MAKE THE LEFT TO OPEN. 
          CAN YOU SHOW ME HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH, I'M OPENING IT UP HERE. 
          OKAY, HERE'S THE AERIAL RIGHT HERE. YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT. 
          OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER WITH THE SIGNAL. 
          OF COURSE IT'S UP THERE, SO I CAN'T POINT. OH,
THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE IS THE SIGNALIZED DRIVEWAY AT WHOLE FOODS. 
          SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE LEFT BOUND OUT OF HERE,
YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS CROSS ACCESS DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE. 
          COME OVER TO THE SIGNAL AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT AT THE SIGNAL. 
          THEREFORE, IT ALLOWS THAT PROPER SAFE MANEUVERING OF THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS. 
          WELL, YEAH, THE MORE CAREFUL AND CONSIDERATE DRIVERS WILL GO BACK INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          THEY JUST CAME FROM IN ORDER TO WAIT AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. 
          OTHERS WILL DECIDE THAT THEIR TIME IS TOO VALUABLE,
AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT, RIGHT. ONLY OUT AND MAKE A LEFT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE RAISED PAVEMENT FOR THE FACILITATING THE TRUCKS TURNING IS GOING TO
PROVIDE THEM AN EXTRA WIDE SPACE TO GET ONTO IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT LITTLE ISLAND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DETER THEM FROM MAKING THE TURN. 
          I'M SORRY. I HAVE VERY LITTLE FAITH IN MY FELLOW MOTORISTS. 
          I WATCH THEM MAKE THAT MOVE EVERY DAY, COMING OUT MEIJER AND DECIDING TO GO WESTBOUND ON
GRAND RIVER. 
          THAT WAS CERTAINLY DOTS CONCERN WHEN WE FIRST PROPOSED THIS AS A FULL RIGHT THERE. 
          IT WAS FOLKS MAKING THAT LEFT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE INCORPORATED THE RAISED MEDIAN,
AND THEN ALSO THE SOMEWHAT RAISED DECORATIVE PAVING TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRUCK. 
          BUT THAT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ACCESS ON GRAND RIVER HAVE BEEN
REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY MDOT. 
          I WANT TO CHECK ONE THING TO THE. I BELIEVE THE CUING OF THAT SIGNAL IS GOING TO HELP
MEDIATE THAT AS WELL. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, IF YOU RUSH, THOUGH. 
          SEE IF I CAN FIND THIS HERE. HE USED A SPECIAL TERM FOR THAT MOVIE. DID YOU SAY PANIC MOVEMENT? I DIDN'T USE THAT PHRASE. I GOTTA GET THAT WESTBOUND THROUGH MOVEMENT. 
          DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, A LEFT TURN RIGHT,
THERE WOULD BE A PANIC MOVE. 
          TWO IN THE MORNING, YOU'D MAKE IT WITH NO TROUBLE. YEAH,
THAT LIGHTS FLASHING AND YOU GOT THE WHOLE WORLD. 
          THEN YOU GET IN THAT HABIT AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW. IS THIS 7-ELEVEN GOING TO BE 24
HOURS? YES, IT WILL BE 24 HOURS. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT QUEUE. 
          THE QUEUE ON THAT WESTBOUND THROUGH MOVEMENT DURING THE PEAK HOUR WAS 120FT. 
          LET ME JUST CHECK NOW, ONE THING HERE. WE AREN'T SEEING WHAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          IS YOU KNOW I CAN. LET ME DUPLICATE IT. THE PROBLEM IS,
I CAN'T SEE UP THERE. 
          OKAY. OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO READ IT. FAIR ENOUGH. 
          LET ME TRY DUPLICATING IT SO THAT YOU SEE EXACTLY WHAT I'M SEEING. 
          IT WAS JUST HERE. YEP. LET ME DUPLICATE DISPLAYS. 
          ALL RIGHT. NOW, YOU SHOULD KEEP CHANGES. NOW YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT I'M SEEING. 
          OKAY. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY,
YOUR WESTBOUND THROUGH MOVEMENT IS 120 DURING THE BUILD SCENARIOS, WHAT THE BACKUP QUEUE IS GOING TO BE THERE. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE AND THIS IS A 20
SCALE JUST TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF THE SIGNAL, THE SIGNAL DRIVE IS JUST, IT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          SO IT WON'T QUITE QUEUE TO THE SITE, BUT IT,
IT IS GOING TO CAUSE IT IS. 
          OKAY. OH YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S OFF THE PAGE ON GOOGLE EARTH. 
          JUST SHOW ME THE CENTER OF THE INTERSECTION. STOP. 
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GOT THE LIGHT? MY HOTSPOT. DISCONNECT. HOLD ON. 
          TRY TO BE PREPARED. THIS ONE IS OKAY. I JUST GOT TO TURN IT BACK ON. 
          TIMED OUT. SORRY. 
          SORRY. OF COURSE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE NEED TO. 
          OKAY. IF MDOT HAS APPROVED IT, WE CAN'T REALLY. 
          I MEAN, DENY IT BASED ON. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          AGENCY THAT BUILDS TRAFFIC ISLANDS BACKWARDS. 
          SORRY. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I THINK GOOGLE COLLECTED. SOME NEIGHBOR JUST WALKED UP HERE AND SAID,
HEY, I KNOW HE SPOKE. HE WAS A LANDOWNER. HE SPOKE AT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND WE'VE ACTUALLY I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THAT FROM OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL. 
          PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC NOTICES GOING OUT. I PAPERED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE WITHIN A
1000-FOOT RADIUS, 500-FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROJECT WITH JUST A NOTE,
OUR PLAN. 
          INTRODUCTION TO THE PROJECT, ASKING FOLKS TO REACH OUT WITH COMMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE PLAN AND OF THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT
RESPONDED TO ME, FOUR OF THEM SAID IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROTECTED,
IMPROVED WALKWAY ACROSS OUR SITE SO THEY CAN GET TO THE GRAND TO GRAND RIVER, TO THE BUS STATION AND THE SHOPS ALONG GRAND RIVER. 
          COOL. YEAH. SO HERE'S THE STAT BAR. SO IT IS A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          SO IT WOULD NOT QUITE PASS THAT DRIVEWAY. DURING THE BUSY POINTS OF THE DAY,
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR TRAFFIC, BUT IT WILL BE POSTED. IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW,
WE WILL HAVE SIGNS, NO LEFT TURNS. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T FIX PEOPLE ALWAYS THEY'RE GOING TO,
BUT THEY COULD BE POLICED. 
          AND DO OUR BEST. YEAH. THE DEPARTMENT THINKS DRIVING OUT OF STARBUCKS AND TURNING LEFT IS
A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO. ANYWAY, THE STARBUCKS, I MEAN. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING. VICE CHAIR. CURTIS. YEAH, IF YOU CAN STAY ON THIS SCREEN,
THERE'S A QUESTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. THE FIRST DRIVEWAY, NOT WHERE THE SIGNAL IS,
BUT THE FIRST. 
          YEP, THAT ONE THERE. WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO THAT DRIVEWAY,
YOU'RE ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO LEAVE AT THE TOP THERE. 
          SO WHEN THOSE TWO POINTS MEET, THERE'S IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT TELL
ONE OR THE OTHER STOP? IT'S GOING TO BE IT WILL BE SIGNED IDENTIFYING THAT MOVEMENT IN. 
          I'M ALSO SPEAKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OF,
THE OWNER OF THE WHOLE FOODS TO WORK ON IMPROVED CROSS ACCESS. 
          THAT'S NOT FINALIZED YET. BUT IF WE'RE FORTUNATE TO ADVANCE THIS PROJECT WITH YOU ALL. 
          WE'RE GOING TO LOCK THAT DOWN. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST A BIG CONCERN OF MINE,
TOO. 
          SO IT TURNS IN, AND THEN SOMEONE FROM 7-ELEVEN,
YOU KNOW. 
          IT'S KIND OF WONKY THAT THAT IT'S LIKE. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SIGNAL. BUT THAT WAS,
THAT WAS A DOT REQUIREMENT WHEN THE, WHEN THE WHOLE PIECE PROJECT WAS BUILT. 
          OTHERS? SO SEEING NONE BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS AT THIS POINT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THERE WOULD BE TWO RESOLUTIONS SO FAR. 
          UNLESS THERE WOULD. UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE
THEIR STRAW POLL VOTE AT THIS MOMENT. 
          THIS IS I WANT TO MAKE THIS FOR MR. SHORKEY. SO THE YOU ASKED WHAT OUR RATIONALE WAS
EARLIER. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO JUST MAKE IT ABOUT THE USES VERSUS THE ZONE. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT, SO THERE'S A VARIANCE REQUEST HERE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN THE
BACK AS WELL. 
          SO THAT IS CORRECT. SO THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL ZONE THAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE FOR. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO RESIDENTIAL USE TO THE EAST. 
          AND THIS SEEMS LIKE. AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. 
          WE'RE SQUEEZING SOMETHING IN HERE THAT THERE MAY NOT BE SPACE FOR. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT I'M OKAY. OKAY, OKAY,
I CAN, I CAN, I CAN MENTION THAT IN A RESOLUTION. 
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THANK YOU. OTHERS? VERY WELL. SO I THINK OKAY,
MR. SHORKEY, YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. THIS WILL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS. 
          EMAIL YOU WHEN I SEND THAT PACKET OUT. WE WILL GET YOU THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          SURE. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. \ SOMEONE'S PHONE'S RINGING. 
          I DIDN'T DO IT. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO 8.C UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 
          [8.C. REZ #26013 – Singh ]
THAT WOULD BE REZ NO. 26013. SINGH PROPERTY. YEP. 
          SO THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING FOR MR. SINGH'S REQUEST TO REZONE 1.1 ACRE LOCATED AT 2020
M-78 FROM RR, RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RDD, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AS I POINTED OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING,
HE DID SUBMIT A LETTER THAT'S PRINTED IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU. 
          A COPY OF THAT. MR. SINGH IS HERE AS WELL. PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR
THIS APPLICATION ON JUNE 8TH, AND AT THAT TIME, STAFF WAS ASKED TO RESEARCH TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU MADE A
RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE FOLLOWED UP WITH A DISCUSSION AT YOUR REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 22ND. 
          AT THAT TIME, PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED STAFF FOR A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          STAFF HAS SUPPLIED THAT RESOLUTION. THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THAT RESOLUTION,
I'LL GET THERE. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION OF DENIAL,
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO WHY STAFF IS SUGGESTING. THE FIRST THING IS THE, THE MASTER PLAN DESIGNATION. 
          AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THE INITIAL CONVERSATION,
THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR IS SHOWN ON OUR. 
          THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T WHAT I WANT. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE MASTER PLAN. 
          OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS ISN'T GOOD. THIS IS GOING TO GO TO A BROKEN LINK. SHOOT. 
          OKAY, THEN YOU JUST GOOGLE SEARCH MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP MASTER PLAN. I'M PRETTY SURE THE LINK
POPS UP BECAUSE I JUST DID IT THE OTHER DAY. OKAY. 
          WHILE I WAS READING ABOUT GAS STATIONS. 
          WHAT. WE WEREN'T. SPECIFICALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          FLUM. YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE IN HERE,
THOUGH. 
          YOU'D THINK WE WOULD PUT IT IN. IT COULD BE A FLUME IF YOU LIKE,
BECAUSE IT'S USE. 
          OKAY, WELL, IF I CAN'T DO THAT, WHAT I CAN DO IS SCROLL DOWN. 
          WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT IN HERE. THIS IS YOUR 2023 FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          SO UP HERE THIS IS THIS PROPERTY IS 19 SOMETHING,
SOMETHING. 
          THIS IS ALSO ON MY MR. SINGH. THIS WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT A FEW YEARS BACK,
AND THEN YOU GET INTO CLINTON COUNTY WHEN YOU GO THIS DIRECTION, THIS IS ALL SHOWN COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. 
          LIKE IMMEDIATELY YOU RUN INTO THAT ISSUE ALL OF THAT STUFF IN THAT CORRIDOR IS ZONED RURAL
RESIDENTIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT CORNER PIECE, WHICH WAS REZONED TO OUR RD. AND HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THIS CONSISTENT WITH ZONING OF THE
PROPERTY HE OWNS, BUT MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S ALL NONCONFORMING TO THE COMMERCIAL ZONE,
WHICH THIS IS NOW. 
          IS THAT GOING TO BE TRUE IN A FEW YEARS WHEN WE START UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN,
I NOT EVEN GOING TO BEGIN TO SPECULATE THAT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. DOES MULTIFAMILY MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF COMMERCIAL? ARGUABLY, YES. BUT IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MASTER PLAN AND YOU LOOK AT OUR MASTER PLAN,
LIKE THE FUTURE LAND USE, THE ZONING PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED IN A REQUIRED SECTION MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ONE
OF THE ZONING CATEGORIES THAT CORRELATES WITH THE COMMERCIAL ZONE. 
          [01:15:01]
OF A SOMEWHAT BIGGER ISSUE IS SOME ILLEGAL WORK THAT'S GONE ON IN ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I RESEARCHED A LOT OF THE BUILDING PERMIT HISTORY ON,
ON THIS. 
          AND WHAT I FOUND WAS I KNOW MR. BROOKS HATES IT WHEN I DO THIS,
BUT. 
          THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SURVEY FROM 2003. AND SO IT'S SIDEWAYS NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE
PAGE, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY TWO HOMES ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO TO GO BACK UP TO THE MEMO IN 2004, A BUILDING PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR A BREEZEWAY THAT CONNECTED THOSE HOMES. THE MOMENT THOSE HOMES CONNECTED, THEY WERE NO LONGER TWO HOMES THAT MADE ONE
BUILDING. 
          IT THEN. SO THE TWO HOMES ON AN RR PROPERTY IS A NON-CONFORMING USE. 
          THE MOMENT THAT BREEZEWAY CONNECTED THEM, YOU HAVE A CONFORMING,
YOU HAVE, IT'S NOW ONE STRUCTURE. 
          THOSE WERE OKAY. THIS WAS FOLLOWED WITH THE ENCLOSURE OF THE CARPORT AND A NEW ROOF IN 2008. AND THEN THOSE PERMITS WERE FOLLOWED BY A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A 30 BY 40
BARN BEHIND THE HOUSE. 
          I VISITED MR. SINGH DURING LAST WEEK DURING CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. 
          CONTRACTOR THAT BUILT THE BARN ENCLOSED THE AREA AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP ON GOOGLE MAPS
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE BECAUSE OF THE TREES. 
          THIS THERE'S A SECTION HERE. THERE'S A SECTION HERE. 
          THIS WAS A HOUSE. THIS WAS A HOUSE. THERE WAS A BREEZEWAY CONSTRUCTED. 
          THE BREEZEWAY WAS ENCLOSED. THIS BARN WAS BUILT. 
          AND AT THAT TIME THIS SECTION WAS BUILT CONNECTING THE BREEZEWAY TO THE HOMES. 
          THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE BARN DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS WORK. 
          AND THAT WAS FROM CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          IN ADDITION, A SITE VISITED A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON JULY 9TH. 
          I TOLD YOU WORK HAS BEEN DONE INSIDE THE WEST UNIT OF THE HOME. 
          NEW WALLS, REDESIGNED KITCHEN. WE HAD A SUSPICION THAT WORK HAD BEEN GONE ON INSIDE,
INSIDE THAT HOME WITHOUT PERMIT. 
          SO WHILE RESEARCHING HISTORY, WE FOUND THE ORIGINAL MORTGAGE SURVEY REPORT,
THE, SO THE BREEZEWAY WAS APPROVED IN 2004, THE MORTGAGE SURVEY THAT I SHOWED YOU WAS FROM MARCH 23RD,
MARCH 23RD, 2003. 
          AND I EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT IN 2004 EDITION OF THE BREEZEWAY CONNECTED THE HOMES. 
          THAT'S WHAT MADE IT A SINGLE STRUCTURE. AT THAT POINT,
IT'S TO CONFORM WITH THE RR DISTRICT. 
          AND FINALLY THE SERVICES AND THIS IS KIND OF THE BIG THING. 
          AS NOTED IN THE JUNE 22ND MEETING, IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED FOR THE DUPLEX,
RESIDENTS CAN BE APPROVED. 
          IT MUST BE CONNECTED TO TOWNSHIP WATER AND SEWER. 
          TOWNSHIP DATA, DATA FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. 
          THE WATER LINE IS NEAREST WATER LINE IS ABOUT 1,774FT AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON
THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          I THINK THAT'S PINS AND PINTS. THE NEAREST SEWER LINE IS ABOUT 1,600FT IF YOU GO STRAIGHT
SOUTH ACROSS M-78 OR ABOUT 02,940FT FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE WILLING TO PAY TO EXTEND THE WATER AND
SEWER LINES FOR DUPLEX. 
          IF THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE EXTENDED THEM FOR THE FIVE UNIT THAT
HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          SO BEARING ALL THAT IN MIND, THERE ARE TWO RESOLUTIONS. 
          YOU DID ASK FOR RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL THAT'S IN HERE. 
          IF YOU DO GO THAT ROUTE, STAFF SUGGESTS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT NO OCCUPANCY PERMIT
BE ISSUED FOR A DUPLEX UNTIL THE BUILDING IS INSPECTED AND ANY REQUIRING ANY BUILDING PERMITS ARE APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED. 
          OCCUPANCY PERMIT SHALL NOT BE ISSUED FOR DUPLEX UNTIL IT'S CONNECTED TO WATER AND SEWER
LINES SHALL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL APPLIES FOR AND RECEIVES ANY REQUIRED RENTAL LICENSE. 
          [01:20:06]
AND FINALLY NO OCCUPANCY PERMIT SHALL BE, SHALL BE ISSUED UNTIL AN EASEMENT IS LEGALLY
RECORDED FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TOWNSHIP PATHWAY. SO IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS THAT
THE REZONING IS OKAY, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DUPLEX HAS STRINGS ATTACHED. 
          I LIKE THAT SIMPLIFIED VERSION THAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. THE RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL MAKES MY POINT. 
          IT JUST KIND OF CLARIFIES MY POINTS. DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE MASTER PLAN. THE EXISTING
DUPLEX IS ILLEGAL, NON-CONFORMING, COMPLETE WITHOUT PROPER BUILDING PERMITS. WATER SEWER LINES DO NOT SERVE
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I CAN GO IN WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT. 
          AND YOU DO HAVE A LETTER IN FRONT OF YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS,
FOR MR. SHORKEY? I DO HAVE ONE AS MUCH AS A COMMENT,
BUT IT'S A THROUGH FARE FROM YOUR MEMO TO THE TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, I HAVE A HESITATION ON CALLING IT ILLEGAL WORK? I DON'T THINK WE CAN CALL IT AS A COMMISSION ILLEGAL WORK. 
          OKAY. THAT'S JUST IT'S A WELL, THE REASONING MIGHT BE THERE AND I'M TIPPING MY HAT HERE,
BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE JURISDICTIONALLY ABLE TO CALL SOMETHING ILLEGAL,
RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE. 
          THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT REGULATES THESE CODES AND IT'S NOT US,
RIGHT. 
          THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO COULD GO BY AND SAY, THIS IS NOT PERMITTED WORK. IF WE. 
          I. THE LANGUAGE COULD BE CHANGED TO NON-NONCONFORMING. 
          NON NON NON UNAPPROVED. YEAH. SOMETHING NOT OKAY. 
          THERE'S A THERE'S A CONNOTATION TO ILLEGAL THAT I'M NOT OKAY THAT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH. I FEEL ABOUT COMPLETED WITHOUT PERMITS. 
          MUCH BETTER. BECAUSE THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. 
          THERE'S THERE'S A BRIDGE FROM FACTUAL TO CONCLUSION THAT I'M JUST NOT WILLING TO. 
          OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO BE A STICKLER, YOU COULD SAY COME WITH NO RECORD OF PERMITS,
WITH NO RECORD OF PERMITS, NON PERMITTED VERSUS NO RECORD OF, RIGHT, WE'RE GETTING. 
          WELL, I THOUGHT THERE WAS AT LEAST SOME RECORD OF SOME PERMITS. 
          THERE'S A RECORD OF SOME PERMITS BUT I DEMONSTRATED THE WORK THE AT LEAST THE EXTERNAL
WORK. 
          IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. YEAH. THAT WAS DONE UNPERMITTED. 
          THE CONTRACTOR THAT BUILT THE BARN SAID I CAN ENCLOSE THAT FOR YOU AND ENCLOSED IT. 
          AND I SHOWED YOU WHERE ON, ON THE IMAGE THAT IS,
THERE'S NO RECORD OF PERMITS IN THE FILE FOR WHEN THIS WHEN THIS BARN WAS COMPLETED. DOES THE CONTRACTOR STILL WORK IN THE
TOWNSHIP? OH, I HAVE NO IDEA. 2008. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHORKEY? AND MR. SINGH, DO YOU WISH TO. YES,
YES. 
          ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP AND WE WILL NOTE THAT WE HAVE A COPY. 
          WE HAVE ALL RECEIVED A COPY OF YOUR EMAIL. LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TO DIRECTOR SCHMITT TODAY AT
09:47 A.M., SO WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR YOU. I SENT A LETTER. LAST SATURDAY. 
          WHAT DID I SAY? MY POSITION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS. YOU SENT IT? YES, IT WAS FORWARDED. I APOLOGIZE. 
          MY FIRST NAME IS BALARAM K. SINGH AND I AM THE APPLICANT FOR REZONING REQUEST FOR 2020
M-78 EAST LANSING. 
          AND I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE STORY ABOUT WHAT ALL THE THINGS HAPPENED SINCE 2001. 
          SEE IN 2001 I APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT TO ADD EXTRA BUILDING NEXT TO MY EXISTING
HOUSE. 
          I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ORIGINAL PROPERTY IN 95,
MARCH. 
          SO WE LIVED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN APPLIED FOR THE ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          SO BUILDING PERMIT WAS APPROVED. BUT THEN THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME AND
SAID, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT. YOU HAVE TO SET BACK TEN FEET FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          THEN THEY APPROVED IT SO YOU BUILD IT. SO THAT GAP STILL EXISTS. 
          I MEAN, THAT GAP EXISTED AS TWO BUILDINGS, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND THE SECOND BUILDING. 
          OKAY. SO THEN THE INSPECTOR WHO CAME AND CHECKED THIS SECOND BUILDING,
WHICH IS ISOLATED FROM THE FIRST ONE, HE SAYS, THIS IS NON-CONFORMING IN A RR ZONING,
SO YOU HAVE TO CONNECT THAT INTO ONE BUILDING. 
          [01:25:08]
SO I THINK BACK IN 2004, I APPLIED FOR THIS PERMIT AND THE INSPECTOR WHO INSPECTED THAT. HE SET THE DISTANCES WHERE THE CONNECTING BREEZEWAY SHOULD BE. 
          SO HE SET THE MARK, THE PEGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THE BREEZEWAY WAS CONSTRUCTED, CONNECTING TWO BUILDINGS,
THE OLD AND THE NEW, AND JUST THAT BREEZEWAY BUILDING WAS BUILT. BUT THEN THERE WAS A GAP BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND
THE EDGE OF THE BREEZEWAY GAP. 
          GAP MEANING ABOUT TEN FEET BY 14, 15FT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          HE SAID DIRT, PLANE, DIRT BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN I ASKED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR BACK IN 2004 ABOUT POSTPONING THIS,
THAT BACK PORTION FOR A WHILE. BUT HE SAID, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT. BUT HE DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN WRITING. 
          BUT THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND HE DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT. 
          THAT'S FOR THE RECORD. 2004 SOMETIMES. RIGHT ON HAGEDORN JOLLY. 
          SO THEN I WAS KIND OF LOST WITHOUT, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST LIKE THAT. SO TIME WENT ON TO APPLY FOR NEW PERMIT TO BUILD THIS BARN IN
THE BACK. 
          THAT'S 30 BY 40. BY THE TIME THE INSPECTOR WHO INSPECTED THE BARN,
I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS CONNECTION, THE LEFTOVER BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS,
BETWEEN TWO HOUSES AND THE EDGE OF THE BREEZEWAY, MEANING ABOUT TEN BY 14FT SPACE, WHICH IS PLAIN DIRT WHEN IT RAINS,
DIRT ALL OVER THE HOUSE. 
          SO I ASKED THE INSPECTOR, INSPECTING THE BARN BACK IN 2008,
AND I TOLD HIM THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE DIED. THAT WAS IT. HE UNDERSTOOD. 
          I THINK SO. THE INSPECTOR'S NAME IS RON EBBEN. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT EXACT NAME, BUT HE OKAYED IT TOO,
SINCE WE BUILT THIS BARN IN 2008. 
          AND THEN THIS PIECE WAS LEFT OVER. AND THEN HE SAID,
WE CAN BORROW THE DIRT FROM THE THAT SPACE AND USE IT. 
          AND THEN HE VERBALLY SAID, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT THING. 
          SO WE BUILT THIS BARN ALONG WITH THAT SPACE LEFT OVER FROM CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 2004. 
          IT WAS DONE. SO IT IS NOT ILLEGAL PERMIT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE RECORD KEEPING WAS
WENT ON IN THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING OR INSPECTION, BUT THAT'S THE FACT. SO AFTER THAT, THEN IN THE SAME YEAR,
WE ASKED FOR THE ROOF OVER THE TWO CAR GARAGE. 
          THAT NEW BUILDING. AND THEN THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          EVERYTHING IS FINE. THERE IS NO ILLEGAL PERMIT ANYWHERE IN THE. 
          THE WHOLE THING. JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE THE PROPER IMPROPER
RECORD KEEPING. 
          LET THIS MISUNDERSTANDING ACTUALLY. SO YOU MAY HAVE TO GO BACK TO 2004,
THAT INSPECTOR WHO DIED IN AN ACCIDENT. SEE IF HE HAS ANY WRITTEN REPORT OR SOMETHING. 
          IF I MAY, THOUGH, THESE ARE YOUR PROPERTIES. AND WOULD YOU NOT KEEP COPIES OF THESE
RECORDS? YES. OKAY. BUT YOU CONTINUALLY POINT US TOWARD THE RECORD KEEPING OF THE CITY. 
          WELL, I MEAN, JUST LIKE I SAID, THE THAT PORTION THAT IS ON UNCONSTRUCTED 10 BY 14 BEHIND
THE BREEZEWAY AND THEN THE 2004 TO 2008 BARN CONSTRUCTION WENT TOGETHER UNDER HIS THE INSPECTOR'S
GUIDANCE. 
          HE OKAYED IT AND APPROVED. DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THESE? DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THESE APPROVALS? I THINK IT'S OCCUPANCY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAD TO LOOK AT THE RECORDS. 
          I'M ASKING, DO YOU HAVE COPIES? NO, I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. I DON'T HAVE IT. OKAY. SHE CAME IN SEVERAL TIMES TO INSPECT BOTH DECIDE THAT'S BACK
IN, I THINK, 2008 SOMETIME. I DON'T REMEMBER THE MONTH. 
          IT WAS COMPLETED IN ABOUT 4 OR 5 MONTHS. AND SO THAT WAS THE STORY ABOUT THE WHOLE THING
AND THE SET BACK. 
          WHY THAT GAP WAS STARTED TO EXIST BECAUSE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS BACK THEN IN
2001. 
          SO IT'S ALL COMBINED INTO A BIG BALL OF WAX OF A BUNCH OF HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT IT. EVERYTHING'S OPEN. 
          [01:30:04]
I WORK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I MEAN PLANNIING PERSONNEL. 
          AND ALL THESE PEOPLE, THEY KNEW EVERYTHING WAS GOING ON. 
          SO I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWNSHIP, LIVING IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR OVER 31 YEARS. 
          SO THE HISTORY IS THERE. I HAVE NOT DONE ANY ILLEGAL WORK OR ANYTHING. 
          I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, DO EVERYTHING LEGAL. I TELL THEM THEY LOOK AT IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE STORY ABOUT THE ILLEGAL STUFF. 
          THERE'S NO SUCH A THING AS ILLEGAL HAPPENING. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ABOUT THE SEWER. 
          I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STORY. AND WE HAVE THE WELL,
WE BUILT THIS NEW WELL IN 2005, INGHAM COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL CAME AND UPROOTED AND WE GOT THE WATER TESTED AT MICHIGAN STATE
UNIVERSITY ENTOMOLOGY SECTION. 
          THEY GAVE ME A REPORT AS A CLEAN WATER, AND THEN WE CHECKED THE WATER QUALITY EVERY YEAR
JUST FOR OUR OWN USE. 
          AND THE SAME TIME, I THINK BACK IN 2010, I SAW I HAD TO FILL THE AREA COVERED BY A DRAIN FIELD TO MAXIMIZE THE COVER FOR THE TILE. 
          SO I CALLED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT INSPECTOR TO COME AND INSPECT THIS AREA. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ADD ON ANOTHER 18 INCH COVER TO THE EXISTING GROUND. 
          SO YOU HAVE A BETTER PROTECTION FOR THE PIPE. 
          SO HE CAME IN AND SAID EVERYTHING FINE TOOK OFF. 
          SO, AND THEN EVERY THREE YEARS I CLEANED THIS SEPTIC TANK THROUGH THE LEGAL A COMPANY THAT CLEANS THE SEPTIC TANK. HE CHECKS EVERY THREE YEARS AND SEE IF EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          THIS IS A DOUBLE TANK. 1,800, 1,500 GALLON TANK,
TWO GALLONS. 
          TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS FOR THE HOLDING TANK. AND HE ALWAYS CHECKS THE OUTLET WHEN THE THE
OUTLET INTO THE DRAIN FIELD. HOW IT IS TRANSFERRING THE FLUID. I MEAN THE EFFLUENT. 
          SO HE CHECKS AND HE FILLS ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. 
          SO HE IS PERIODICALLY CHECKED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE. 
          AND IN 2010, I THINK INGHAM COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAME AND CHECKED IT. 
          THEY OPENED THE ACCESS MANHOLE COVER AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. 
          SO I PUT IT BACK, HOLD ON. SO AS A MATTER OF FACT,
I WANTED TO CHECK AND SEE IF EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE PAYING TAXES FOR THIS PROPERTY ISOLATED FROM THE SUBDIVISION AND
THEN OUR TAXES GOES TO NOWHERE. I MEAN, PAYING TAXES LIKE A SUBDIVISION PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE WATER, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE IS A POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION AND HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE IS DONE BY
HIM. 
          THAT IS BLOW EVERYTHING. SO WHERE'S MY MONEY GOING? TO WHERE? SO THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT TOWNSHIP CAN HELP TO EITHER INSTALL A SEWER,
WATER OR GIVE SOME PERMISSION TO HAVE A PRIVATE WELL INSPECTED BY INGHAM COUNTY TO, YOU KNOW,
MAKE THAT MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SAFE CONDITION. 
          SO I'M GOING IN A CATCH 22. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE COME FIRST. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I MEAN, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS. 
          I GOT 150FT, VIRTUALLY NOBODY ELSE HAS THAT KIND OF ENERGY IN THAT AREA. 
          THE ALL COMMERCIAL ZONE, BUT HOW CAN THEY DO A COMMERCIAL WHEN THEY CAN'T DO IT? SO MINE IS 150FT. SO 1.1 ACRES. HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS,
ILLEGAL DRIVEWAYS. 
          I'M NOT GIVING PERMISSION. IT'S ON THE RECORD,
SO. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. SINGH? OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, THAT'S ABOUT IT. I THINK MY FOUR PART JUSTIFICATION LETTER THAT ADDRESSES PRETTY
CLEARLY WHAT I MEAN IN TERMS OF MY FINDINGS. THANK YOU. I WILL NOTE THAT I DID MISSPEAK. 
          [01:35:01]
MR. SINGH DID SEND THIS ON SATURDAY, JULY 11TH AT 4:45 P.M.. 
          I HAD SAID THIS MORNING AT 9:47 P.M.. QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS, ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER NAHUM. SO I THINK WE JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT ON THE
RECORD, BECAUSE IT IS HERE IN THE COMMUNICATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING,
WHAT HE'S CALLING A STRUCTURED COMPROMISE WHERE THE UTILITIES ON SITE WOULD BE INSPECTED AND ASKED TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE A CONNECTION
TO TOWNSHIP WATER AND SEWER. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ON EITHER OF THE RESOLUTIONS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING? I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING. 
          WE EVEN DO THAT? THAT IT'S NOT IN THE. RIGHT. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT YOUR PURVIEW TO RIGHT TO WAVE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A BOARD DECISION. IT'S IN THE GENERAL ORDINANCES,
NOT THE ZONING ORDINANCES. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS IT. THAT WAS A REQUEST MADE THAT THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING HERE. 
          CAN WE MAKE A MOTION. WE COULD MAKE A MOTION MOTION FOR. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. ALL RIGHT. 
          AS IS HERE. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP
OF MERIDIAN HEREBY RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF REZONING NUMBER 26013 TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRE IN SIZE,
LOCATED AT 2020 M-78 FROM RR TO RDD FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE REPORT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BROOKS. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSION. ANYBODY WISH TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE RECORD? I JUST SIMPLY I'M NOT. IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT FULLY CONVINCED ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN
THE PAST, STAFF FROM GOING THROUGH. IT SEEMS AS IF IT WOULD BE A SOMEWHAT OF A BURDEN FOR THE
TOWNSHIP TO ALLOW OR TO PERMIT THIS. SO THOSE ARE MY REASONS. 
          COMMISSIONER NAHUM? JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS THE RESOLUTION WHERE WE ADJUST THE LANGUAGE
REGARDING ILLEGAL WORK. 
          YEAH. THAT WAS I WAS GOING TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IN A MINUTE. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO
LET DISCUSSION. I'VE CAUGHT THAT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE NUMBER TWO. 
          NUMBER TWO SAY THE EXISTING DUPLEX IS NON-CONFORMING,
ILLEGAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEP. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY IF IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW. 
          THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BUILDING PERMITS, YOU GOT TO HAVE PERMISSION TO DO THESE THINGS. 
          SO TO THAT, I SAY THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND DENIAL OR VOTING DENY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER NAHUM. 
          I WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW THROW MY SUPPORT BEHIND THE MOTION IN THAT I THINK A BIG MOTIVATION
BEHIND THE REQUEST IS SO THAT THE, THE DUPLEX CAN BE GIVEN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT ISN'T WILLING TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. 
          AND THUS THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING, I DON'T THINK WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE
ABILITY TO ACTUALLY RENT THE DUPLEX OUT. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. 
          THANK YOU FOR STATING IT THAT WAY, DID I. I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THE ONLY REASON THAT I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THE OTHER RESOLUTION TO APPROVE WITH THE
CONDITIONS THAT STAFF PRESENTED, IS THAT IT MAY BE A MOTIVATOR TO GET THE REQUIRED STEPS DONE IN TERMS OF THE PERMITTING,
AND I'M WORRIED IF WE DENY THEN THE INSPECTION THAT SHOULD BE DONE BECAUSE IT WASN'T DONE. YOU KNOW, LIKE THOSE,
THERE'S STILL SOME NON-CONFORMING OR NON-APPROVED USES THAT DON'T GET RESOLVED IN A MOTION TO APPROVE IF UNDER CONDITIONS MIGHT GET US CLOSER TO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK FOR WHAT YOU SAID, IT DOES NOT SOUND I THINK THERE'S SOME UNRESOLVABLE ISSUES
THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR DENIED, ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THEY WOULDN'T GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY,
AND THIS SEEMS CLEANER TO DENY FOR THOSE REASONS. 
          AND I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS LISTED. 
          SO ON THE OTHER MOTION. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY. 
          I ALSO WANT TO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN AND OUTLINING THIS. 
          [01:40:02]
AND ALSO WALKING US THROUGH IT THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING. 
          I DON'T THINK I'VE SAID ANYTHING. THIS EVENING. 
          COMMISSIONER BROOKS, A COFFEE. I'M SORRY. I WANTED TO FINISH. 
          SO AS I WAS FORGETTING WORDS, BUT THE. I APPRECIATE THE WALKTHROUGH THAT YOU GAVE GIVEN
HERE. 
          I THINK ALSO THE HISTORY HERE WITH THE ZBA AND TYING THIS IN AND THE OTHER WORK THAT IS
CLEARLY TAKING PLACE. 
          I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING THE WHAT'S BEFORE US,
SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORTED IT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE HEARD THIS EVENING AN EXPLANATION OF PAST EVENTS THAT IMPLIED THAT TOWNSHIP STAFF WERE PROVIDING VERBAL APPROVAL ON SITE AND THAT WAS THE BASIS ON WHICH THE APPLICANT PROCEEDED. 
          AND I'M NOT ENTIRELY CAN'T EVER KNOW IF THAT EVER HAPPENED. 
          SO THAT KIND OF EXPLANATION NOT ONLY DOESN'T WEIGH IN THE APPLICANT'S FAVOR,
BUT IT ALSO CONSTITUTES A LESS THAN COMPLIMENTARY VIEW OF TOWNSHIP STAFF. 
          AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF. AND I'LL PUT MINE ON THERE. 
          I WILL I WILL JOIN COMMISSIONER BROOKS AND SAYING,
MR. SHORKEY, YOUR MEMO HERE WAS QUITE PERSUASIVE,
I THINK OUTLINED THE ISSUE DESPITE MY NITPICKING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE CHOICES. 
          SO TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT IS. IT'S JUST THAT TRIGGERED. 
          SO I WOULD JOIN IN THE DENIAL, IN THE RESOLUTION TO DENY,
SO. 
          ROLL CALL. AT THIS POINT, ROLL CALL VOTE. SO THIS WOULD BE,
THIS WAS MOVED BY VICE CHAIR MCCURTIS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. AND COMMISSIONER BROOKS? SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER NAHUM? SUPPORT. VICE CHAIRMAN MCCURTIS? SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? SUPPORT. AND THE CHAIR SUPPORTS. OKAY. SO AGAIN,
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. 
          EVERYTHING GETS FORWARDED TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IF YOU CHOOSE TO PROCEED. AND THAT WILL
INCLUDE THE LETTER THAT YOU THAT YOU SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT WAS A COMMUNICATION. SO I'LL INCLUDE THAT AS WELL. 
          EXCEPT I'LL, HE DID TAKE THE TIME TO GIVE, GIVE ME A LIKE THE ACTUAL LETTER RATHER THAN
ATTACHING AS A, AS A, AS AN EMAIL. SO I WON'T PUT PEOPLE'S EMAILS IN,
IN THAT STUFF. 
          I'LL USE THE ACTUAL LETTER AND EVERYTHING WILL GO FORWARD TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IF YOU
WANT TO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO PURSUE THIS. OKAY. SO ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION WILL GO FORWARD. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. SINGH. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS,
THAT WOULD BE 9.A. 
          [9.A. Restaurants in Professional Office – Discussion ]
SO OTHER BUSINESS RESTAURANTS IN THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISCUSSION. 
          SO THIS WAS SOMETHING INHERENTLY. I ADDED THIS CAME OUT OF THE CRAFT APPROVAL AND I WANTED
TO EXPLORE THIS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR A FEW MINUTES HERE. THIS HAD TO DO WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND I DON'T
WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, I BELIEVE, COMMENTED AND SAID I HAVE ADVANCED DEGREES IN THIS
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO SAY. AND WHEN WE HAVE EXPERTS SAYING THAT ABOUT LANGUAGE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT. AND ALSO I BELIEVE IN ADDING MORE
RESTAURANTS, AND ANYTHING THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF RESTAURANTS IS BAD. 
          SO, MR. SHORKEY, AS YOU WORK DILIGENTLY TO PULL UP THE PARTICULAR REGULATION. 
          OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT. 
          HELLO. USE IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT. 
          NUMBER THREE, THE FOLLOWING USES MAY BE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN DEEMED
APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE LAND OR STRUCTURE. 
          DRUGSTORE, BARBER, BEAUTY SHOP, RESTAURANT PROVIDED NO DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THRU FACILITIES,
PUBLIC UTILITY STRUCTURES. 
          I ALWAYS WONDER ABOUT THAT BECAUSE LIKE ANYWAY. 
          WHY? I'M NOT GETTING INTO THAT, THANK YOU. BUT THE RESTAURANT IS THE SPECIFIC CONVERSATION
THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE. CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS FLAGGED THIS, RIGHT? 
          [01:45:05]
BECAUSE RIGHT WHEN IT CAME THROUGH, THIS WAS THE REASON IT INHERENT THIS,
THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS IT CAME TO THIS BOARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE RIGHT. 
          HAD THE AUTHORITY OR THE ABILITY TO WAIT. IT ENDED UP RESOLVING OTHERWISE,
RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY AGREED TO NOT USE THE 80, THE SECONDARY DWELLING OR SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. SO OUR INTERPRETATION AND STAFF WAS, IS THAT LANGUAGE DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO THE
PRIMARY USE? AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT'S COME UP THE FIFTH THIRD BANK ON OKEMOS ROAD IS
GOING TO BE MOVING OUT OF THERE EVENTUALLY. AND I KNOW THAT WORD HAS GOTTEN OUT AND I'VE TAKEN A COUPLE PHONE CALLS ON
THAT BUILDING. 
          IT WAS THE LAST PHONE CALL I GOT WAS BECAUSE IT'S ZONED PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. 
          AND HE SAYS, CAN I DO A MASSAGE THERAPY? I THINK SOME KIND OF THERAPY IN THERE. 
          AND I LOOK, AND LICENSED PROFESSIONALS ARE ALLOWED TO PRACTICE IN THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE
DISTRICT. 
          SO I TOLD HIM, THAT'S FINE. THEN HE SAYS THE BUILDING HAS A BACK ENTRANCE. 
          COULD I DO A LITTLE CAFE OFF THE BACK? ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. NUMBER ONE, YOU JUST APPROVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED IT, THE CAFE,
HIS MAIN BUSINESS WAS RUNNING HIS THERAPY STUDIO. 
          BUT, SO THE COFFEE SHOP THE CAFE WAS APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY USE. NOW WHAT KIDDICRAFT CAME IN AND SAID WAS NO. 
          YOU LIST RESTAURANTS AS SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOU APPROVED IT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THAT, ASK FORCES ME TO ASK, ARE YOU LOOKING TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM,
BUT YES, I, I WOULD SAY YES. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE BACKFIRING. WE COULD SIMPLY TAKE THIS LINE OUT OF THERE AND JUST PUT IT IN
AND JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, JUST INSERT A NEW NUMBER, NUMBER, NUMBER ONE,
AND PUT IT RIGHT UP THERE AND NOT HAVE IT. 
          AND NOT JUST TAKE IT AWAY FROM ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND HOW A CAFE IS DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY
USE OF A MASSAGE PARLOR OR. 
          NO, NO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. THAT WAS A PHONE CONVERSATION WITHOUT ANY SPECIFICS. 
          YEAH, IT WAS A FISHING EXPEDITION. YEAH, I. OKAY,
WELL, WE'LL TABLE THAT. 
          BUT BUT THAT WOULD SAVE THAT HEADACHE OF HAVING TO MAKE THAT CALL. 
          WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO WHAT? RIGHT. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT. 
          AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY, I THINK WAS FIRST. 
          I'D BE CURIOUS IF I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED,
BUT WHAT THE INTENT WAS, EVEN WHEN THAT WAS PUT THERE FOR THE OTHER USES. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF RESTAURANTS WHERE WE THINK A RESTAURANT IS
APPROPRIATE TO GO. 
          SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN EVERY
INSTANCE. 
          SO IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED CASE BY CASE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER ONES, WHAT WOULD THE PRIMARY USE BE THAT A DRUGSTORE WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY USE OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT BE? AND SHOULD WE HAVE THAT FOR ANY OF THEM? IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CHANGING IT OR CONSIDERING CHANGING IT FOR RESTAURANTS,
SHOULD WE ALSO ASK WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER USES AND HOW WOULD WE MAKE THAT CALL FOR THEM ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN WE WOULD FOR A RESTAURANT IN A DIFFERENT CASE? SO I AND THERE MAY BE A VERY GOOD REASON FOR IT. 
          I JUST LOVE TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S BACK IN THE CONSTRUCTING OF THIS ORDINANCE OR AN
ATTORNEY WHO HAS AN OPINION ON THIS MIGHT HAVE A LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT THERE, BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE THE PRIMARY USE. 
          BUT IF IT ADDS TO THE PRIMARY USE, IT'S OKAY,
AND. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CODE IS 1974. OKAY. AND THEN IT'S BEEN AMENDED A FEW TIMES,
BUT I DON'T SEE ANY NOTE ON THIS SECTION INDICATING THAT WAS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS. OKAY. RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, THAT WAS AMENDED,
THAT WAS ADDED. 
          THERE WAS A COUPLE AMENDMENTS IN THERE. SO I'M GOING TO GUESS IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT
WAS THERE. 
          NOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DRUG STORES, BEAUTY SHOPS,
HOSPITALS, MEDICAL CLINICS, YOU KNOW. 
          PROFESSIONAL AND SEE THAT'S INTERESTING. SO IF YOU WANT TO START DIGGING INTO THIS A
LITTLE BIT, I WOULD QUESTION, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE BARBER BEAUTY SHOP? WHEN WE SAY LICENSE OF PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONALS LICENSED BY THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. 
          [01:50:03]
LIKE WE, THE BARBERS ARE LICENSED IN MICHIGAN,
BUT. 
          WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT SAYS SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO BLAH,
BLAH, BLAH. 
          RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, SHOULD WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY LOOK IT OVER? WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK OVER JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY SAID. 
          IF I HEARD IT CORRECTLY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING INADVERTENTLY, THAT IS HARM THAT COULD MAKE IT LOOK MAKE THIS BUSINESS X BUSINESS X LOOK
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE INTENDED IT. OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. I CAN TAKE THAT TO DIRECTOR SCHMITT. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ROAD. 
          BUT I'M JUST. YOU ALREADY HAVE. OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT. 
          OKAY. THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES IN WANTS TO DO A COFFEE SHOP,
A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO SAY NO,
YOU CAN'T. 
          INSTEAD OF YOU GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. NOW,
HERE'S THE CONUNDRUM. 
          AND I MEAN THIS NICELY. YOU'RE NOT THE INTERPRETER. 
          YOU'RE NOT THE BODY TO INTERPRET THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN WAS THAT THE QUESTION GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR
AN INTERPRETATION. 
          OKAY. BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND NOW WE GET WE HAVE A RESTAURANT COMING IN. 
          NO ONE, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. NO ONE'S UPSET THAT THAT HAPPENED. 
          THAT WAS A, A RARE I CONSIDER A RARE WIN IN,
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SAVED AN HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          SOMEONE'S MOVING FORWARD WITH A WITH A VIABLE BUSINESS,
I HOPE. 
          OUR CHAIR IS HAPPY THAT WE'RE GETTING A RESTAURANT. 
          HERE, HERE. THIS WASN'T MY CONVERSATION. I DIDN'T BRING THIS TO YOU. 
          YOU WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH. THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO DO DIFFERENT
AS YOUR STAFF, I CAN I CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          WELL, I CAN, AND I CAN ASK, WAS THERE A REASON TO SEPARATE THEM OUT,
BUT 1974 ORDINANCE. 
          SO. I HAVE A BROAD COMMENT, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING SOME OF THESE OUT OF THIS. 
          CAN YOU BACK UP TO WHERE THE WHERE THOSE THREE OTHER THINGS WERE? THERE YOU GO. OH, YEAH. SO I HAVE A BOOK RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT'S CALLED "STUCK: HOW THE PRIVILEGED AND THE PROPERTY BROKE THE AMERICAN THE ENGINE OF
AMERICAN OPPORTUNITY". 
          AND IT'S BY YONI APPELBAUM. AND IT JUST CAME OUT,
I THINK, IN THE PAST YEAR. 
          BUT IT'S A BOOK ABOUT HOW ZONING ORDINANCES CAME TO BE AND WERE ESTABLISHED. 
          AND PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT IN THE
FROM THE 1910S TO THE 1970S, THERE WAS ALL THIS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHEN ZONING WENT INTO EFFECT BROADLY,
FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER. 
          AND THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU SPECIAL ZONING THINGS AROUND EVERYTHING IN ORDER BASICALLY TO CREATE A MECHANISM FOR REGULATING THOSE SPACES. 
          BUT LOTS OF THOSE SPACES WERE MADE UP BY PEOPLE WHO WERE EITHER IMMIGRANTS OR PEOPLE WHO
MOVED OR DIDN'T WORK SORT OF TRADITIONAL JOBS. 
          AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS LIST, I SEE IN PARTICULAR,
LIKE A BARBER SHOP IS LIKE, IT'S A JOB THAT ANYBODY CAN HAVE AND THEY CAN BASICALLY DO IT ALMOST WHEREVER THEY WANT. AND SO WHY
IS IT MATTER WHERE IT IS EXACTLY? WELL, IT'S A VALID POINT BECAUSE YOU CAN DO AS A HOME BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO WRITE HOME
OCCUPATION. RIGHT. AND IT'S, AND IT'S AN IDEAL BUSINESS ACTUALLY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AND LOTS OF THESE DIFFERENT
KIND OF SPECIAL ONE OFFS THAT WE HAVE FALL INTO THAT BUCKET, I WOULD SAY. I'M NOT SAYING I'M ADVOCATING FOR A REVIEW OF ALL OF THIS STUFF. 
          JUST I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE ITEMS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY OPENED UP. 
          JUST WANT TO POINT OUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT,
BUT I WOULD CALL A DRUGSTORE A RETAIL USE. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A DRUGSTORE STANDING ALONE. 
          I THINK THE POINT OF THE DRUGSTORE, IF YOU LOOK UP HERE,
HOSPITALS MIGHT HAVE A DRUGSTORE INSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. 
          WHY YOU WOULD MAKE THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN A HOSPITAL IS ALLOWED BY USE BY RIGHT. 
          THAT I CANNOT ANSWER. AND IT'S INTRIGUING BECAUSE LIKE,
WHAT'S THE DRUGSTORE VERSUS A PHARMACY? 
          [01:55:04]
IS IT THE SAME THING? SODA FOUNTAIN IN 1974. WELL,
YEAH. 
          MAYBE. MAYBE. SORRY. DID YOU SEE PHARMACY? NO,
BUT THAT'S MY POINT IS LIKE A HOSPITAL, LIKE CHIROPRACTORS, DENTISTS, DIETITIAN, NUTRITION, MASSAGE THERAPISTS,
OCCUPATIONAL THERAPISTS. 
          ALL OF THESE ARE LISTED SPECIFICALLY AND NOT LIMITED TO. 
          RIGHT. AND THEN URBAN PLANNERS, I'LL NOTE THAT I COULD GO IN THE PO DISTRICT, EXECUTIVE AND LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WE SAY YOUR BEAUTY SHOP, YOU KNOW. 
          I, I SEE, I SEE A, I SEE A DRUGSTORE, A STANDALONE DRUGSTORE AS,
AS A, AS A RETAIL USE. 
          I WONDER, LIKE IF, IF YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE,
LIKE I GO TO THE MEDICARE AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE CAN GIVE YOU YOUR MEDICINE HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS AS A DRUGSTORE
BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING ME MY PRESCRIPTION OR NOT, BUT I SEE THAT AS A SECONDARY USE AND I'M, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS OR LIKE,
YEAH, GO TO A CLINIC AND THEY ALSO CUT YOUR HAIR. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE WAITING FOR,
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WAITING FOR GRANDPA TO GET OUT OF THE SURGERY. 
          YOU RUN DOWNSTAIRS AND GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE AT THE HOSPITAL. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY INTENDED WITH THIS THEN I THINK WE DID PROBABLY. 
          I WISH IT HAD BEEN MORE CLEAR THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR US TO SEND THIS TO THE ZBA. 
          BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THAT TOO. WE WERE JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THE RESTAURANT
THAT WE KIND OF JUMPED THE GUN. 
          MAYBE. BUT BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER TO CLARIFY IT NOW. 
          AND AND, AND I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF CONSIDERING A RESTAURANT IN THIS ZONE AREA WITH A
SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          OKAY. ABSENT THE CAVEAT OF A DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY. 
          SO SKIP THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT I ASKED ABOUT. 
          OKAY, JUST GO BACK TO THE RESTAURANT. I LIKE YOUR IDEA. 
          THEN I'M RIGHT BACK TO YOU. THAT'S AN EASY MOVE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND I THINK THAT THAT GETS TO THE INTENT OF WHY I WAS
BRINGING THIS UP. 
          BUT I REALIZED I CUT OFF COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL AGAIN TWICE,
AND I DID TOO. 
          SORRY. NO, NO, IT'S ALL RIGHT. MY INITIAL CHALLENGE UNDERSTANDING THIS REALLY IS ABOUT THE WORD PRIMARY USE. AND THE REASON IT THREW ME WAS BECAUSE WE WERE
LOOKING AT THIS, I BELIEVE IN THE CASE OF A CONVERSION OF A USE. 
          SO THERE WAS NO PRIMARY USE. AND I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND PRIMARY IN TERMS OF HISTORICAL
OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT IF YOU GO UP ONE LINE CARETAKER'S RESIDENCE ACCESSORY USE,
THESE ARE REALLY ABOUT ACCESSORY USE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY YOUR EXAMPLE WAS SO GOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING A COFFEE SHOP TO THE BACK OF
A MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT. 
          WE ALL FEEL LIKE THAT'S VERY MUCH APPROPRIATE TO THE PRIMARY USE. 
          OR WE COULD DECIDE THAT WHETHER ATTACHING A DRUGSTORE OR A BEAUTY SHOP. 
          YOU COULD, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE STRUGGLE THAT I WAS HAVING. 
          AND I THINK THIS WAS WRITTEN MAINLY ABOUT ACCESSORY USES. 
          OTHERWISE THAT WORD PRIMARY WOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TWEAK SOME
LANGUAGE, EITHER THIS SECTION THREE APPLIES ONLY TO ACCESSORY USES AND WE'LL TREAT IT THAT WAY OR IT
APPLIES TO CONVERSIONS OF USES. 
          AND WE NEED TO REWRITE IT BECAUSE THAT TRIPPED ME UP THAT PRIMARY WORD. 
          WELL AN ACCESSORY USE HAS A VERY SPECIFIC MEANING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GARAGES AND SHEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY CAN'T CALL IT AN ACCESSORY CARETAKER'S RESIDENCE BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE MEANING AND, AND PARSONAGE CARETAKER OR. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE COALESCED AT LEAST TAKING THE RESTAURANT SECTION THERE OUT OF
THREE AND MAKING IT AND GIVING IT RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE GENERAL CONSENSUS AROUND THAT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN DIG INTO THE FOLLOW UPS BECAUSE LIKE,
THE ONE THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS THE PUBLIC UTILITY STRUCTURE TO ME, BECAUSE IT'S INHERENTLY A PUBLIC UTILITY AND IT HAS AN EASEMENT IN ORDER TO EXIST. 
          BUT SET THAT ASIDE. CORRECT. WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN THE 70S? I WOULD SAY IT WASN'T WI-FI. YEAH. YEAH. IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE BOILER SHOVEL
BOILERPLATE. 
          NO. THIS IS SOMETHING A PARTICULAR PHRASE. YOU WON'T GET AN EXACT HIT. 
          IT DIDN'T COME FROM SOME. YEAH. THE GENERAL ZONING MANUAL THAT SOMEBODY GRABBED A SENTENCE
FOR. 
          THEY WROTE THAT IN THERE. SEE, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT IT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE
PHRASE TOO, BECAUSE THE MOMENT I BROUGHT UP AN EXAMPLE, SOMEONE SAID,
WELL, HOW WAS HOW WAS A COFFEE SHOP RELATED TO A MASSAGE TABLE? 
          [02:00:01]
IT WAS A PHONE CONVERSATION. WAS IT A SITE PLAN? YEAH, IT'S A IT'S FINE, I GET IT. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW,
YOU GET IN THIS VERY COUPLE OF JESUIT SCHOOL WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT IS LIKE WHAT VERSUS ANOTHER. AND SUBJECTIVITY IS INTERESTING. 
          SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO DO WITH THIS? DO YOU WANT TO SEE A DRAFT TEXT AMENDMENT JUST VERY EASILY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. LEAVING THE RESTAURANT SECTION OUT? YES. I MEAN, WE COULD ALSO CONSIDER INSTEAD OF MOVING IT OUT,
JUST HAVING IT. 
          IN ADDITION, YOU CAN HAVE IT AS A PRIMARY USE,
BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT AS NOT AN ACCESSORY AS A SECONDARY USE, RIGHT. BECAUSE I GUESS WE DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE MAKING A CAFE. 
          SORRY. NO, NO, NO, I'M SAYING THAT YOU MAY FINISH. 
          YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I KEEP CUTTING YOU OFF TOO,
I APOLOGIZE. NO, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER JUST AN ADDITION AND ALLOWING RESTAURANTS TO STILL BE A SECONDARY USE FOR CAFES AND A MASSAGE THERAPY OFFICE. 
          NO. MOVING ON. COMMISSIONER. CAN RESTAURANTS. 
          SO THIS IS THE PO ZONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. JUST AN IDEA. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE THAT RESTAURANTS COULD JUST BE CONSIDERED A PRIMARY USE FOR THE PO
DISTRICT? THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING. IF I WAS TO MOVE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND I'M JUST MISSING IT. I'M NOT A I. WHAT I,
WHAT I SUGGESTED WAS IF WE MOVE THIS LINE, THIS LINE OUT OF BEING C UNDER THREE AND JUST MAKE IT ITS OWN NUMBER,
IT BECOMES A USE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN ITS OWN RIGHT. 
          WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A
RESTAURANT INSIDE A PO ZONE? EVEN THEN. BECAUSE LIKE YOU WANT MORE RESTAURANTS AND THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF OFFICE SPACES
GETTING FILLED. 
          WELL, WE COULD END UP WITH A GLUT OF RESTAURANTS. RESTAURANTS COULD BE A NUISANCE AS WELL
ON NEIGHBORING USES AS WELL. 
          NUISANCE. I AGREE. STOCK TALKS ABOUT NUISANCES BEING UPPER CLASS NUISANCES. 
          JUST SAYING. I WANT TO DIG INTO THAT MORE DEEPLY BEFORE I'D BE COMFORTABLE LIKE I HAVE. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THIS SECTION AND AND THE PLACES IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT ARE
ZONED PO TO SAY, ARE THEY AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR OR SHOULD THEY HAVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE
SAY THEY ARE. 
          BUT BY PARKING IT UNDER THE SUP REG, WE'D BE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION INDIVIDUALLY AS
THEY CAME THROUGH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I AT THIS POINT WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH,
UNLESS WE DID A LOT MORE WORK TO, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND IT. BUT OTHERWISE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF RESTAURANTS. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I JUST IT'S NOT ONE I'M READY TO ANSWER NOW WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT
MORE DETAILS, AND THIS OTHER ONE WOULD SEEM TO SOLVE IT AND GIVE US A HEADS UP WHEN NEW RESTAURANTS
MIGHT BE COMING. 
          THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FIRST. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING AT THE
CORNER OF MOUNT HOPE AND NORTHWEST CORNER THAT RECENTLY GOT RENOVATED. BACK WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE BRIDGE. 
          THAT BUILDING HAS A WONDERFUL TERRACE OUT THE BACK THAT LOOKS RIGHT DOWN TO THE RIVER. AND
I ALWAYS THOUGHT, MAN, IF YOU JUST NEED A RESTAURANT. 
          OH, BOY. YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. SO IT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT? AS AN ASIDE, IT WOULD MAYBE SOME OF THE. I DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF SURVEY OF ANY KIND OF
VACANT OFFICE LAND, BUT FOR A LONG TIME OFFICE HAS BEEN A TOUGH SELL. 
          MIGHT OPEN UP SOME OF THAT VACANT OFFICE PROPERTY. 
          AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW I HAVEN'T LOOKED THIS UP,
BUT I THINK ABOUT LIKE BACKYARD BARBECUE OVER THERE ON ACROSS FROM JOE'S ON JOLLY. 
          LIKE THAT'S A RESTAURANT THAT'S GOT TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING,
RIGHT? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S I MEAN. 
          NOT IN OUR TOWNSHIP. IT'S NOT. BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. JUST MY LAST COMMENT HERE IS I, I THINK IT REALLY IS. 
          I THINK, MR. SHAW, THIS WOULD BE INTERESTING IF THE IF WE KNEW WHAT'S THE COST OF A
SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT VERSUS THESE OTHER. THAT'S 1000. IT'S $1,000 IS THE FEE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT IT DOESN'T GO BY THE LAND USE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THEN IT'S LIKE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE SORT OF. 
          IT'S $1,000 COST. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE UPFRONT COST OF IF YOU WERE A SMALL RESTAURANT
BUSINESS OWNER OR WANT TO START ONE, THEN THERE'S ALL THE UPFRONT COSTS OF FILLING OUT THE PAPERWORK. 
          PUTTING ALL THE PACKET TOGETHER, COMING TO THESE THINGS. 
          [02:05:03]
OH, YEAH. THAT'S ALL THAT THAT'S THAT'S UNKNOWN. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD WAIVE ALL THAT PAPERWORK? I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT. 
          REDUCE THE $1,000. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE COST. 
          THE ACTUAL COST IS FOR SOMEBODY. YOU CAN PLAY WITH THAT. 
          LET'S USE KITTY KRAFT AS AN EXAMPLE SINCE IT JUST HAPPENED. 
          IF IT WAS A USE BY RIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE JUST SAID PULL YOUR BUILDING PERMITS AND THERE
WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNING A CAT HOSPITAL INTO A RESTAURANT. 
          SURE. BUT THAT'S ON THAT'S THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT UNAVOIDABLE. 
          CALL IT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE GET AN APPLICATION. 
          THERE'S A $1,000 AND THERE'S A HEARING. IN SOME INSTANCES THERE'S LAWYERS. 
          THERE'S I MEAN, THERE CAN BE, BUT I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SURE. 
          YOU HAD TWO SUPS THAT TODAY DIDN'T HAVE LAWYERS WITH THEM. 
          WE CAN GO WHATEVER YOU WANT. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND JUST SAYING RESTAURANTS ARE GOOD IN
THEIR PO DISTRICT. 
          I LIKE I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP THIS NO DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THRU
TYPE FACILITIES. 
          YEAH, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF DISTINCTION BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND A PO DISTRICT,
A RESTAURANT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH, TRY TO REZONE THE PROPERTY. 
          AGREED. OKAY. I, I MEAN, I, I'M ENVISIONING,
I'M NOT ENVISIONING, AND I'M, I'M NOT ENVISIONING ENVISIONING APPROVING CHICK FIL A'S THIS WAY. I'M ENVISIONING APPROVING TANTE THIS WAY. 
          OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. LIKE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT PERFECT. 
          WE CAN NITPICK THE EXAMPLES. I KNOW I DO THAT TOO,
BUT THAT'S THE IDEA, RIGHT? WE WANT TO INCENT TANTE AND SENT GOOD TRUCKIN DINER,
THOSE SORTS OF PLACES. 
          OKAY. RIGHT. NOT. AND MAKE IT EASIER. I MEAN,
I HELL AT THIS POINT, LIKE WE'RE KIND OF HAVING AN ASIDE HERE. 
          LIKE I WOULD REDUCE THE SUP FEE TO INDUCE IT IF THAT'S GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE CRUX OF THE IDEA OF WHAT,
WHAT THE AMENDED PROPOSED RIGHT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          IT'S JUST MOVING THAT OUT OF THERE. OKAY. I'VE HEARD MULTIPLE IDEAS. 
          I'LL, I'LL WRITE A MEMO AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS. 
          WELL, CAN WE WE CAN NARROW IT. I MEAN, NO, I MEAN,
I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I MEAN, TO ME, I, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, I THOUGHT IT WAS EASY AND IT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE
DIFFICULT THAN IT LOOKS. 
          BUT I MEAN. I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT
BE FROM A MEMO, BUT I WOULD. SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF YOU MOVE IT INTO A USE BY. RIGHT. SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU MOVE IT INTO
AN SUP. 
          AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE USEFUL IF I PRODUCE A MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OUR DISTRICTS. 
          SO YOU SEE WHERE THOSE ARE AT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY,
LET'S START THERE AND SEE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO FROM THERE. 
          VERY GOOD. OKAY. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ASK WHAT THE VACANCY IS OF THOSE IF WE HAVE ANY IDEA. 
          AND I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT WITHOUT DRIVING AROUND A LOT. 
          BUT I GET YOUR POINT. YEAH. AREN'T THERE SOURCES OF VACANCY? WE DON'T REGISTER BUSINESSES. NO, BUT THERE,
I CAN ASK THE ASSESSING DEPARTMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A RECORD OF VACANCIES. NO,
NOT NOT A TOWNSHIP RECORD. 
          I THINK THERE MAY BE OTHER SOURCES, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          ANYWAY, I'LL START THERE. OKAY. WELL, THANK THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR ENTERTAINING MY PET
PROJECT ON RESTAURANTS AND ALLOWING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT I ALSO JUST ON A BROAD SCALE, I MEAN, ON A BROAD SCALE,
THERE WAS THIS ODDITY THAT CAME UP UNDER KELLY KRAFT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST WORTH ADDRESSING RESTAURANT OR NOT. RESTAURANT OF. 
          WE HAVE A 1974 REG THAT MIGHT NOT BE WORKING THE WAY THAT. 
          OR THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE 1974. HOW ABOUT THAT? [LAUGHS] ALL RIGHT. VERY WELL. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO TEN REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE. MR. SHORKEY, ANYTHING FROM TOWNSHIP BOARD? I DON'T KNOW YET. OKAY. 
          [10.A. Township Board update ]
VERY WELL. WELL, MR.. HERE WE GO. OKAY. HERE. 
          SO THEIR MOST RECENT, MOST RECENT TOWNSHIP BOARD,
THEY MET ON JULY 7TH. 
          HOSPITALITY, OUTDOOR ASSEMBLY PERMIT FOR PINS AND PINTS. 
          CHICKENS AND RABBITS. THEY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS IS. 
          I, I CAN, I CAN SAY WHAT HAPPENED THERE. SO THEY RECONSIDERED IT BECAUSE THEY REALIZED
THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONE THAT ONLY APPLIED TO A VERY SMALL GROUP OF HOUSES RIGHT ON LAKE LANSING. 
          AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE IS ASKING FROM THAT LITTLE ZONING DISTRICT IF THEY CAN HAVE
CHICKENS. 
          YES. SO THEY BROUGHT IT BACK IN AND ALLOWED IT IN VILLAGE OF [INAUDIBLE]. 
          [02:10:01]
AS WELL AS THE RB, WHICH WAS WHAT WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON. 
          OH, OKAY. ALL THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THEM. ANYWAY, SORRY. PUBLIC, SOME PUBLIC STREET LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS,
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS PUBLIC PARK AND PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE RENEWAL DISCUSSION. 
          NOT MUCH ELSE RIGHT NOW. WELL, WITH THAT LIAISON REPORTS,
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ZBA. 
          [10.B. Liaison reports ]
THE ZBA DID NOT MEET DUE TO LACK OF BUSINESS. 
          VERY WELL. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SENDING THEM THE BUSINESS,
APPARENTLY, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'LL BE SOME BUSINESS SOON. THEY SIT TIGHT. 
          IT MIGHT CHANGE. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS. ALL RIGHT,
MOVING ON. 
          PROJECT UPDATES UNDER 11. YOU HAVE AN UPDATED LIST? 
          [ 11.PROJECT UPDATES]
I BROUGHT IT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU. MR. CAR WASH HAS RECEIVED THEIR CERTIFICATE OF
OCCUPANCY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT WASHING CARS YET. 
          GET LOADED. I WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT FOR A CHAIR. 
          THAT IS A RESTAURANT. THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS BEEN ISSUED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE OPENED YET OR NOT. THE BBQ CHICKEN,
THE BBQ, BBQ, BB.Q CHICKEN AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN CORRECTED ON THAT A COUPLE TIMES. THAT PERMITS BEEN ISSUED THAT'S STILL SUPPOSED
TO BE GOING FOR JULY OPEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S THE 17TH LARGEST CHAIN IN THE WORLD. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TOLD. GOING BACK TO MY POINT,
LIKE GET LOADED ARE THE ONES WE SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING OUT OF A FOOD TRUCK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHEN A FOOD TRUCK, I THINK FOR MANY YEARS AROUND HERE. YEAH. THIS IS
BARBECUE CHICKEN. I'M IN IN THE PR DISTRICTS I'M THINKING [INAUDIBLE] GET LOADED OVER BARBECUE CHICKEN, BUT VERY WELL. AND MOVING ON. 
          SO THAT IS OUR PROJECT UPDATES. PUBLIC REMARKS. 
          OH WAIT. OH GO AHEAD. SORRY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? HEARING NONE. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? 
          [ 13.COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ]
CAN I ACTUALLY JUMP IN THERE WITH YOU REAL QUICK? LOOKING AHEAD JULY 27TH YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS,
YOU'VE GOT THE MASS TIMBER AMENDMENT AND YOU'VE GOT A,
ANOTHER A DAYCARE. 
          WHAT SHOULD NOT BE AS CONTENTIOUS AS THE LAST ONE YOU HAD. 
          YOU'VE GOT UNFINISHED BUSINESS. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE APPLICANT FOR THE DAYCARE
NORMALLY THE SECOND MEETING WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST,
WHICH I THINK IS I'LL GET YOU A DATE. 
          I THINK IT'S THE 10TH. YEAH. THE 10TH. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE BEING OUT OF THE STATE THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST. SO WHAT I WANTED TO ASK IS BECAUSE I'M ON VACATION
THAT WEEK BEFORE IF NO IS THE ANSWER, IT'S OKAY. WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. 
          BUT IF SHE IS NOT ABLE TO COME BACK ON THE 10TH AND WANTS TO PUT IT OFF,
PUT OFF HER SECOND MEETING UNTIL THE 24TH. 
          ARE YOU OKAY? CANCELLING THE AUGUST 10TH MEETING? WE DON'T HAVE, WE WON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE WE'RE INSIDE THE THE DEADLINE FOR
THAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          OTHERS. IT ACTUALLY WORKS WELL BECAUSE I WAS I HAD A CONFLICT THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW I COULD RESOLVE. 
          SO THAT WORKED. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MASS TIMBER WILL BE ON
JULY 27TH. 
          AND THEN IF IF WE HAVE TO, WE CAN HAVE BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY
WAITING TO BUILD MASS TIMBER BUILDING LIKE, OKAY, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL CONFIRM WITH MISS CRONK AND CROC. 
          EXCUSE ME, MISS CROC, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW NEXT NEXT MEETING. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY MY COMMISSIONER COMMENT. THANKS EVERYBODY FOR STARTING AND APOLOGIZE FOR
BEING LATE. 
          THERE THEY ARE. AS CONSTRUCTION ON THE WAY BACK FROM HAWK HOLLOW. 
          BACK TOWARD THIS WAY. AND THEY SENT ME ALL THE WAY AROUND TODAY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON I
WAS LATE. I WILL NOT BE HERE THE 27TH, SO VICE CHAIR WILL HAVE TO FILL IN FOR ME, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE MAKE IT GO BETTER AND
I'LL KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE,
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. THAT WAS COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CURTIS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND WE ARE CLOSED AT 8:43.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.