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TONIGHT.DO YOU HAVE A QUORUM? YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE HAVE TO COUNT.
WE'RE COMING FROM A COLD, SO...
BRIAN PUT YOU THERE? MR. SHARKEY.
MR. SHARKEY PUT YOU HERE? DO YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT MR. SHARKEY SAYS? ALWAYS.
IN THIS CASE, IT WAS FOR HEALTH REASONS.
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WHEN WE START RECORDING, I'LL SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.HEY, BRIAN, IF YOU CAN SCROLL TO THE TOP, I CAN AT LEAST START WITH THE OR MR. SHARKEY, APOLOGIES.
IF WE COULD JUST SCROLL TO THE TOP, I CAN AT LEAST GET
[1.CALL MEETING TO ORDER ]
A KICKOFF WHILE I GET NOT A PROBLEM.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WILL OFFICIALLY CALL THE JUNE 22ND MEETING OF THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER HERE AT 640.
I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR MY LATENESS.
I WILL ATTRIBUTE IT TO FAR TOO MANY BOGEYS TODAY FOR MY LEAGUE.
BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY STICKING AROUND.
WITH THAT, I WILL GO TO ROLL CALL.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SHUSBURY.
AND THE CHAIR IS HERE, SO THAT REPRESENTS FOUR OF THE SIX MEMBERS CURRENTLY IN MR. SHIRKY.
SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TO OPERATE UNDER OUR BYLAWS.
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL AND VICE CHAIR MCCRITIS ARE EXCUSED.
[3.PUBLIC REMARKS ]
FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.AND WITH THAT, I WILL CALL MARILYN RUE, IS IT? AND MS. RUE, IF YOU WISH, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS MARILYN RUE, 1808 BIRCHWOOD DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, I'M OKEMOS MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP RESIDENT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW ALL THESE GAS STATIONS TO BE BUILT ON GRAND RIVER.
I MEAN, HOW MANY GAS STATIONS DO WE NEED? THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
WHAT DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO? I THINK I TALKED TO MR. SHORKEY AND HE SAID IF IT'S...
PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, THEY CAN BUILD WHAT THEY WANT.
SO WHAT DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO AS FAR AS NOT HAVING ALL THESE GAS STATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S TO...
IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE GAS STATION ALLEY ON GRAND RIVER? IS THAT WHAT WE WANT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP TO LOOK LIKE? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES.
DO YOU OPPOSE THIS OR DO YOU JUST LET THEM BUILD THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD? FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE RITE AID, A VACANT PROPERTY FOR HOW LONG? WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT? DOES ANYBODY CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE? I REALIZE IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT CAN'T THE TOWNSHIP CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE TO MAYBE...
TRY TO GET SOMETHING IN THERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE GAS STATION RIGHT HERE, I THINK IT'S 7-ELEVEN THAT WANTS TO DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, VERIZON BUILDING HAS BEEN EMPTY, I WOULD SAY, AT LEAST FOR 15 YEARS.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD WITH VERIZON, I THINK, OUTSHINER, A GAS STATION THERE.
WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE GAS STATIONS? ARE THEY MAKING THAT MUCH MONEY THAT WE NEED TO LET THEM COME IN HERE? ARE WE GETTING THAT MUCH TAXES FROM THESE PEOPLE? I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET PROPER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GAS STATIONS OR A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHATEVER.
I MEAN, A RESTAURANT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
I REALIZE IT'S A GAS STATION AND A QUOTE CONVENIENCE STORE.
WELL, WE GOT SPEEDWAY OVER THERE.
THEN WE'RE HAVING TAILGATERS OVER THERE.
NORMALLY, I AM SUPPOSED TO PREFACE IT BY SAYING THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THAT WE WILL PROVIDE A TIMER.
I FAILED TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE.
YOU MAY PUT THAT DIRECTLY ON MY SHOULDERS.
AND I NOTE THE NEXT COMMENTARY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL KARAGOULIS.
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR...
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AND NOW, COMMISSIONER SHUESBERRY HAS STARTED THE CLOCK HERE.YOU'LL GET ABOUT A BEEP WITH 30 SECONDS LEFT TO GO.
I OWN A DUPLEX ON WARDCLIFF RIGHT BY THAT GAS STATION PROPOSAL, JUST ONE DUPLEX AWAY FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE.
WE HAD A TRAILER PARK IN MY BACKYARD, AND THAT WAS TERRIBLE.
THAT GOING TO A WHOLE FOODS, GREAT JOB.
THAT'S JUST REALLY HELPED THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY.
AND THE FEATURE ON THERE THAT I REALLY LIKE IS THERE'S A NICE, ALONG THAT LOT LINE BETWEEN WARDCLIFF.
THERE'S NO NOISE FROM WHOLE FOODS.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY FEELS SAFE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR, FOR THIS 7-ELEVEN PROPERTY, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE CARS COMING AND GOING AND MUFFLERS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW.
AND WE'RE LOWERING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
IF I HAVE THAT, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE WHOLE THING.
OTHER THAN AT NIGHT, I NOTICED THE LIGHTS ON THE BACK OF THAT MOTEL, THAT CRAPPY MOTEL THAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
BUT THERE'S LIGHTS ON THERE THAT JUST FLOOD THE STREETS ALL THE WAY UP WARDCLIFF. IT'S JUST LIKE AIRCRAFT LANDING LIGHTS AIMED RIGHT AT US.
I WANT TO SEE THAT LIGHT STOP AT THE LOT LINE THERE.
OKAY, AND I KNOW THAT'S A PRIORITY, BUT THOSE LIGHTS HAVEN'T BEEN THERE THAT LONG.
48 SECONDS TO SPARE, ACCORDING TO THE TIMER.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC REMARKS? VERY WELL.
SEEING THAT, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC REMARK AT 47 P.M AND WITH THAT WE CAN
[4.APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]
MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA ANY ADDITIONS DELETIONS OR CHANGES TO THE AGENDA HEARING NONE I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA MOVED BY COMMISSIONER NAHUM SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS UH ALL IN FAVOR AYE ANY POST THAT THE AGENDA IS APPROVED WITHOUT MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE IN THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF THE[5.APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
JUNE 8TH, 2026 MINUTES.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE JUNE 8TH, 2026 MINUTES? HEARING NONE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NAHUM.
ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS COMMUNICATIONS.
[7.PUBLIC HEARINGS ]
WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE WILL HAVE FIRST ON THE AGENDA SUP 26017, SHEETS.
SO SHEETS INCORPORATED IS THE APPLICANT AND HAS SUBMITTED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SHEETS GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE AND A RESTAURANT AT 1930 AND 1878 WEST GRAND RIVER AVENUE.
GOOGLE MAPS SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS INDEED THE FORMER VERIZON BUILDING, THE OUTSHINER GAS STATION, AND THIS IS THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
TO RECALL A MONTH OR TWO AGO YOU WERE CALLED YOU APPROVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT RIGHT HERE FOR HUNTINGTON NATIONAL BANK.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME CONTEXT.
IT IS IN THE C2 ZONING DISTRICT.
THE C2 DOES ALLOW GAS STATIONS AS A AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET FOR THAT TO BE APPROVED.
I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
IT IS SHOWN IN THE MASTER PLAN AS COMMERCIAL.
THE PURPLE HERE IS THE PICA, THE MALL PICA THAT WE APPROVED IN 2023, AND THEN THIS IS THE SHEETS AREA RIGHT HERE.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GAS STATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE C2 ZONE, THE MASTER PLAN, COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
AS I SAID, IT IS ALLOWED AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
GOING DOWN, NUMBER THREE HERE, THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN.
SHOWS THAT THE APPLICANT IS COMPLYING WITH DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWNSHIP ZONING ORDINANCE.
I WILL NOTE THAT THIS WILL COME UP LATER.
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THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A GAS STATION ARE MORE STRINGENT THAN TYPICAL.AND THERE IS ONE VARIANCE NECESSARY FOR APPROVAL.
SECTION 86-400, SUBSECTION E, PARAGRAPH 13, STANDARDS FOR GAS STATIONS IN THE C2 ZONE STATE THAT NO MORE THAN 10 VEHICLE FUELING STATIONS ARE ALLOWED.
THE SAME ISSUE THAT YOU HAD ON THE TAILGATERS JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
A PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWS EIGHT PUMPS, AND THAT IS 16 FUEL STATIONS, SO VARIANCE WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE EXTRA SIX FUEL STATIONS.
THAT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO APPROVE ANY SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN THAT WOULD FOLLOW THIS.
FOLLOWING ON VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
THE IMPACT STUDY ASSUMES AN ACCESS TO MARSH ROAD THROUGH THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE WEST.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MANEUVERING OF PARCEL LINES IN THERE, AND THERE IS ACCESS TO THE HUNTINGTON BANK SITE THAT GETS THEM OUT ONTO MARSH ROAD.
USING THAT ASSUMPTION, THE STUDY MAKES TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.
MAINTAINING THE MARSH DRIVEWAY, WHICH THEY CALL DRIVEWAY ONE IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET, AS A FULL-ACCESS DRIVE, CONTROLLING IT WITH A STOP SIGN, AND MAINTAINING BOTH DRIVEWAYS ON GRAND RIVER AVENUE AS FULL-ACCESS DRIVES AND CONTROLLING STOP SIGNS AS WELL.
THIS TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WILL HAVE TO BE AS FORMALLY APPROVED BY MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN TALKING TO THEM ANYWAY.
ADEQUATELY SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER, PUBLIC STORMWATER WILL BE REVIEWED BY INGHAM COUNTY DRAIN COMMISSION'S OFFICE DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW LIKE WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT.
AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR A GAS STATION FOUND IN 86-404, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE'RE...
REALLY NOTICING AGAIN 16 FUEL STATIONS REQUIRES A VARIANCE FOR SIX EXTRA FUEL STATIONS.
THE DRIVE AISLES ARE ADEQUATE, THEIR SETBACKS ARE MET, SO STAFF REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER COMMENT ON THIS.
THE APPLICANT IS WELL REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CZORKE? QUICK.
JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE, JUST TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
PUBLIC, SO PLANNING COMMISSION'S NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A DECISION ON EITHER ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.
THIS WILL COME BACK FOR A SECOND MEETING AT THE FIRST JULY MEETING.
THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A DECISION.
HAVING SAID THAT, BECAUSE STAFF HAS TO WRITE A RESOLUTION, YOU'LL HAVE AN IDEA WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING TO GO.
THEY DO WHAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT'S CALLED A STRAW POLL, BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A BINDING VOTE.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHARKEY FROM THE COMMISSIONER.
SO IF THIS WAS A FORMER SITE HERE WAS A CART WASH, IS THERE ANY HISTORY ON WHY THAT SITE HASN'T BEEN REDESIGNED FOR SOMETHING ELSE UNTIL NOW? NO.
WHEN A CAR WASH IS AT A PLACE, DOES IT ACCUMULATE ANY SORT OF WASTE IN THE GROUND THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH? I'M GOING TO LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
I CAN SAY THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T THINK SHEETS WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON A SITE WITHOUT DOING THEIR PROPER ENVIRONMENTAL DUE DILIGENCE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN MY PAPERWORK REGARDING THAT.
I WILL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.
WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS MORE LIKE JUST A GENERAL...
EXPERIENCE MAY LEAD TO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE CLEANED UP BEFORE SOMETHING IS ON TOP OF IT, JUST GENERALLY.
I'M NOT SPEAKING JUST ABOUT SHEETS.
DEPENDS KIND OF ON THE AGE OF THE GAS, EXCUSE ME, OF THE CAR WASH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE.
AGAIN, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT LET YOU KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS BEEN FOUND, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS OR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
THEN FOR A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WITH THAT.
FOR THE LET ME BRING IT UP SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO THEN IF, SO THE GET THE, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T
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REMEMBER, CAR WASH.CAR WASH SHEETS IS BASICALLY OVERLAYING ON PART OF THAT? NO, THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS HERE, AND THEN SEE THERE'S AN ACCESS HERE.
THERE'S AN ACCESS HERE ONTO THE NOW HUNTINGTON SITE.
THAT IS THE NORTH PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE VERIZON BUILDING AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE, WHEREVER THAT IS.
AND THOSE TWO BUILDINGS WOULD COME DOWN.
SO YOU SEE THERE ARE TWO, AS REFERENCED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THERE'S A DRIVE HERE AND A DRIVE HERE.
TRAFFIC STUDY SUGGESTS THAT THOSE SHOULD BE LEFT OPEN AND CONTROLLED WITH STOP SIGNS.
DOES THE HUNTINGTON BRANCH HAVE A NEW ENTRANCE COMING IN IN THAT SAME LOCATION? USING THE SAME DRIVE.
RIGHT HERE, AND THEY'VE GOT AN ACCESS OUT TO MARSHALL.
GAS STATION, AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH GAS STATIONS.
AS A PLANNER, NOT JUST ABOUT SHEETS, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF A SITE GETTING REPURPOSED ONCE IT'S A GAS STATION? I HAVEN'T HAD THAT EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY.
CLEARLY GAS STATIONS DO GET REDEVELOPED.
I'M THINKING OF ONE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION ON LAKE LANSING ROAD THAT WAS GETTING REDEVELOPED.
BUT IT GOT REDEVELOPED INTO A...
INTO A MORE STATE-OF-THE-ART GAS STATION.
I HAVE NONE OF THE GAS STATIONS THAT I'VE PERSONALLY WORKED ON IN MY 26 YEARS HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS AND REDEVELOPED.
I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT I'VE NOT SEEN IT HAPPEN.
MR. NAHUM? MY QUESTION WAS IF HUNTINGTON HAD CHANGED, IT WAS GOING TO USE THE SAME CUTOUTS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WILL BE, SO THAT'S AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHORKEY? NOT AT THE MOMENT.
WITH THAT, IF THEY SO WISH, WE'D INVITE THE APPLICANT UP SHOULD THEY WISH TO MAKE COMMENT.
YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT YOU MAY IF YOU WISH.
ANYTHING ELSE? AGAIN, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS AMAN WALIA, 39300 WEST 12 MILE ROAD, FARMINGTON HILLS.
I WANT TO START BY THANKING YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND ALSO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR TIME AND SUPPORT.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SITE SPECIFIC DETAILS I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE BRAND AND JUST GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF SHEETZ.
HAS ANYONE BEEN TO SHEETZ BEFORE? NO? YES.
OKAY I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
SHEETZ WAS FOUNDED IN 1952 IN ALTOONA, PENNSYLVANIA BY BOB SHEETZ.
IT BEGAN AS A SMALL RESTAURANT AND A CONVENIENCE STORE, AND ABOUT 25 YEARS LATER, WE ADDED FUEL TO THE BUSINESS.
AND THEN FAST FORWARD NEARLY 75 YEARS, AND WE'VE GROWN TO MORE THAN 800 LOCATIONS, SOON TO BE OPERATING ACROSS EIGHT STATES.
WHAT'S REALLY SPECIAL IS THAT WE'RE STILL A FAMILY-OWNED AND FAMILY-OPERATED COMPANY.
MORE THAN A DOZEN FAMILY MEMBERS ARE STILL INVOLVED TODAY, AND ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY LEADS THIS REGION.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT SETS US APART IS OUR FULL-MADE-TO-ORDER KITCHEN.
WE OFFER HOT DOGS, SALAD, CHICKEN, APPETIZERS, BURRITO, SUBS, YOU NAME IT, AND WE HAVE IT.
BETWEEN ALL OUR INGREDIENTS AND CUSTOMIZATION OPTIONS, CUSTOMERS CAN CREATE OVER 1.8 MILLION COMBINATIONS.
AGAIN, 1.8 MILLION COMBINATIONS.
WE HAVE A FULL SPECIALTY BEVERAGE PROGRAM WITH SMOOTHIES, ESPRESSO DRINKS, LATTES, MILKSHAKES, AND MORE.
AND BEYOND FOOD, WE CARRY A WIDE RANGE OF GROCERY AND CONVENIENCE ITEMS, EVERYTHING FROM CHIPS TO DRINKS TO BREAD, EGGS, BACON, TOILET PAPER, AND OVER-THE-COUNTER MEDICINES IF YOU NEED IT.
AND WE AIM TO BE A TRUE ONE-STOP SHOP.
ANOTHER POINT OF PRIDE OF US IS OUR BUILDING AND DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING.
HEAVILY IN OUR ARCHITECTURE AND WE MAINTAIN OUR SITES WITH GREAT CARE.
MUCH OF THAT WORK IS HANDLED INTERNALLY BY OUR OWN STORE SUPPORT TEAM WHICH HELPS US
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KEEP A CONSISTENT HIGH QUALITY STANDARD.WE'RE ALSO PROUD TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.
SHEETS HAS BEEN ON THE FORTUNE 100 BEST PLACES TO WORK FOR LIST FOR 11 YEARS AND IF YOU BREAK THAT DOWN TO CATEGORY WE ARE THE NUMBER TWO IN RETAIL IN THE COUNTRY.
OUR BENEFITS ALSO INCLUDE ESOP, 401K, TUITION REIMBURSEMENT, PTO, MEDICAL, DENTAL, VISION, AND MUCH MORE.
AND FINALLY, WE BELIEVE STRONGLY IN GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.
WE SUPPORT PROGRAMS LIKE SHEETS FOR THE KIDS DURING THE HOLIDAYS, MAKE-A-WISH, SPECIAL OLYMPICS, FOOD DONATIONS, AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.
WITH THAT BACKGROUND IN MIND, WE'RE EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE.
AND HOW WE CAN BE A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL CAVE, OUR ENGINEER, TO GIVE THAT SIDE SPECIFICS.
CAVE, APACHE, 104.3 ONONDAGA ROAD, HOPE, MICHIGAN, 48842.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS KAVEH WITH CESO, CIVIL DESIGNER ON THE REEF.
OBVIOUSLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION.
IT ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF, AS YOU SEE THERE, WE'VE ORIENTED THE BUILDING IN THE, KIND OF SIMILAR TO ALSHINER'S IN THE VERIZON STORE.
IT'S A 61-32 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT 8 FUEL ISLANDS OR 16 POSITIONS.
AS BRIAN MENTIONED, WE WILL NEED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THE OTHER FUELING POSITIONS.
WE ARE MAINTAINING THE CROSS-ACCESS BETWEEN HUNTINGTON AND THE FOLKS TO THE EAST.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH HUNTINGTON TO MAKE SURE OUR GRADING AND WHATNOT.
BE ACCESSED WHEN WE DO OUR PROJECTS.
WE'RE EVEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
WE DO HAVE ART PROCEEDINGS SHOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STORE THERE.
THE HAMSTER IS TUCKED IN THE BACK.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE INGHAM COUNTY DRAIN COMMISSION.
FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ESSENTIALLY REMAINS THE SAME.
I THINK IT'S AN ADDITIONAL ONE SECOND DELAY.
WE DID GET APPROVAL FROM MDOT.
I SHARED THAT WITH YOU YET, BRIAN.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR APPROVAL.
WE ARE SHOWING SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR SITE SO FOLKS CAN SAFELY GET FROM THE STORE TO.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS REGARDING THE CAR WASH.
WE DO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REMEDIATED, THAT IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
WE HAVE NOT GOT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT BACK YET.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE, SO I THINK I'M JUST SOMEWHAT INTRIGUED BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, WHO IS OUR TRAFFIC STUDY EXPERT, IS NOT AVAILABLE TONIGHT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO FILL IN FOR HIM.
BUT YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY CANNOT POSSIBLY TAKE INTO TRAFFIC STUDIES OF THE OTHER FORTHCOMING BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN THE HUNTINGTON THERE AND THEN, AS MS. RUE MENTIONED, AND THERE'S TO BE A TAILGATERS UP THE ROAD.
LIKE, TRAFFIC STUDIES CAN'T STUDY FUTURE AND DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
FUTURE TRAFFIC STUDIES CORRECT CORRECT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING THE TRAP IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BY BOTH OF THESE EXISTING FACILITIES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND WE ARE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, LOOK AT ALL THESE.
NOT THAT IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO, BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING THING WHEN YOU START TO PILE ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OTHER INCREASES IN TRAFFIC.
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AND JUST I'M NOT PUSHING FOR YOU OR FOR YOU, SIR, JUST LIKE IN GENERAL, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A POINT OF CURIOSITY JUST ON THE ECONOMICS.I IMAGINE YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S A MEYER RIGHT UP THE ROAD, THE GAS STATION, A KROGER AT THE GAS STATION, A SPEEDWAY.
THERE'S ALSO TONIGHT A 7-ELEVEN.
LIKE, WHAT DOES SATURATION LOOK LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO GAS STATION? UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE OTHER SERVICES BETWEEN THE FOOD AND EVERYTHING LIKE.
DOES THAT WORRY YOU AT ALL WITH ALL THE UPCOMING BUILDS? SO, AGAIN, LIKE, WE BELIEVE THAT OUR OFFERING IS MORE ABOUT THE FOOD AND THE COMPLETE PACKAGE, WHAT WE OFFER, AND NOT THE FUEL.
SO WE LIKE TO PRESENT OURSELVES MORE OF A RESTAURANT, AND THEN THE SECOND PREFERENCE IS TO THE FUEL AND THE CONVENIENCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, AND I THINK OUR OFFER IS GOING TO BE GOOD.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE SATURATION, I FEEL LIKE OUR STUDY SHOWS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY AS FAR AS LIKE THE CUSTOMERS FOR FUEL ITSELF.
SO WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH CUSTOMERS.
AND I JUST, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS.
IF YOU PULLED THE VIDEO FROM THE TAILGATERS APPROVAL, HE WOULD PROBABLY SAY THE SAME THING.
HE GOES, I'M REALLY MAKING MONEY ON FOOD, NOT SO MUCH ON THE GAS STATION SIDE.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST TWO VERY SIMILAR MODELS IN A VERY SMALL SPACE, AND I'M ACTUALLY NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION.
THERE'S PROBABLY AN ARGUMENT TO ME THAT IT'S MORE OF A POLICY DISCUSSION THAN IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, BUT I THOUGHT I'D PUT IT OUT THERE ON THE RECORD TO SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHEN YOU KIND OF FACTOR IN ALL THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THE SHORT TERM.
SO ANY SUPPLEMENTS? SUPPLEMENTS? SUPPLEMENTS.
YEAH, SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF DRINKS THAT ARE ENTERING GAS STATIONS THESE DAYS THAT HAVE SUPPLEMENTS IN THEM, AND THEY'RE NOT REGULATED BY THE FDA, BUT THEY END UP IN GAS STATIONS TYPICALLY.
LIKE PROTEIN DRINKS? YEAH, OR THEIR ALTERNATIVE CAFFEINE DRINKS.
THEY HAVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DRUGS ARE.
WHAT WAS IT? KRATOM? KRATOM, I THINK.
AND I'M CURIOUS IF SHE SELLS ANY DRINKS THAT HAVE KRATOM IN THEM.
BUT AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE GOES, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.
WE DO HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF DRINKS, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE POWERADES AND SOME PROTEIN DRINKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT NOT EXACTLY THAT DRINK.
BUT AGAIN, OUR MARKETING KIND OF SETS THE PRODUCTS DEPENDING ON THE MARKET AND THE COMMUNITY.
BUT AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE GOES, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SUPPLEMENTS LIKE THAT.
DOES THE PLAN THAT YOU PUT FORTH IN THE PACKET IS FOR 16? FILLING STATIONS, IS THIS NOT VIABLE AT THE PERMITTED 10? FOR SHEETS, NO.
THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS 16 FILLING POSITIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MORE PUMPS WE HAVE AS WELL, WE'LL GET THEM IN, GET THEM OUT.
ARE THERE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP FOR THIS? YES.
WE SAT DOWN WITH STAFF A YEAR OR SO AGO AND TALKED ABOUT, I'M GOING TO BLANK ON THE NAMES RIGHT NOW, HAMILTON, THE OLD LOTS AT HAMILTON AND OAKMAN'S ROAD.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER LOOK AT WE LOOKED AT BOTH SETS HOUSE THE SOUTH SIDE IN THE NORTH SIDE AND SO IS THE SOUTHEAST AND THE I'M SORRY, SOUTHWEST AND THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
I WANT TO SAY SO I KNOW I'M ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I ALSO I APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT YOU PUT INTO THE PACKET AND THE THOROUGHNESS INVOLVED IN IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE PLAN.
THE THING THAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT FOR ME IS THE IMMEDIATE NEED
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FOR A VARIANCE ON SOMETHING WITHIN THE SPACE, GIVEN WHAT BOTH THE PUBLIC HAS COMMENTED ON AND THE ORDINANCE IS DESIGNED AROUND THE SIZE OF A GAS STATION AND THE NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS WE'VE APPROVED OR SEEN RECENTLY.BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? HEARING NONE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. SORKY? HEARING NONE, WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO HAVE ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I WILL...
CALL DAVID LEDIBER. SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN COMMISSIONER SHUSBERRY, WHEN YOU START, WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE-MINUTE TIMER AND YOU'LL GET A 30-SECOND BEEP SHOULD YOU GO THAT LONG.
I RESIDE AT 4767 CORNELL ROAD HERE IN OKEMOS.
ALSO A BROKER WITH MUSSELMAN REALTY AND I'M THE ONE THAT ALSO SPOKE TO YOU BACK IN APRIL CONCERNING THE HUNTINGTON PROJECT.
AND AT THAT TIME I EXPLAINED THAT THAT WAS PHASE ONE.
AND I INDICATED THAT IN OUR LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THAT PROJECT.
DURING THESE LAST FEW MONTHS, THE HUNTINGTON TEAM AND THE SHEETS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DO A VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT DESIGN OF BOTH THESE SITES.
THE VERIZON BUILDING AND THE CAR WASH BUILDING ARE BOTH ECONOMICALLY AND FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.
THEY WERE BUILT ON THIS LAND BACK IN THE EARLY 70S. THIS LAND WAS PART OF THE GRETTENBERGER FARM, WHICH WAS ALSO THE MYERS AND THE MERIDIAN MALL.
SO THERE WERE NO BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE PREVIOUS TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING HAVE HAD A PHASE ONE DONE.
THAT PHASE ONE OF BOTH BUILDINGS DETERMINED THERE'S NO ISSUES ENVIRONMENTALLY OF EITHER OF THESE BUILDINGS.
SHEETS IS SPENDING THE EXTRA MONEY TO DO A PHASE TWO.
WHERE THEY'RE DOING SOIL BORINGS UNDERNEATH BOTH BUILDINGS TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY CHALLENGES FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
AND COUNCILMAN BROOKS, YOU MENTIONED OTHER SITES IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT MAY HAVE BEEN GAS STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REDEVELOPED.
MY COMPANY WAS INVOLVED AT THE CORNER OF OKEMOS ROAD AND GRAND RIVER, WHERE THE WALGREENS IS.
THAT USED TO BE AN AMOCO GAS STATION.
THE ONE VARIANCE THAT SHEETS HAS ASKED...
FOR, WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF FUELING STATIONS, MATCHES WHAT CURRENTLY MYERS THRIFTY ACRE GAS STATION HAS ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER.
THEY ALSO HAVE EIGHT PUMPS, 16 FUELING STATIONS.
SO THERE'S PRECEDENCE SET IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
SHEETS, I WILL TELL YOU, IS A DYNAMIC, WELL-RUN FAMILY ORGANIZATION THAT I SOUGHT OUT TWO YEARS AGO FOR THIS SITE.
THEY WERE HAPPY TO CHECK IT OUT.
THEY EVALUATED EVERY SITE IN MARIN TOWNSHIP AND THEY CHOSE THIS ONE.
YOU PROBABLY READ IN THE PAPER THEIR NUMBER ONE SITE THAT THEY BUILT OR WILL BE BUILDING IS IN EAST LANSING WHERE A DRUGSTORE USED TO BE AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A BRAND NEW REDEVELOPED GAS STATION.
THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT COMPETITION OF WITH JUST A GAS STATION.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT A GAS STATION IS.
THEY'RE A C-STORE, OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET C-STORE.
THEY'RE EMPLOYEE-OWNED AS WELL AS MANAGED.
AND I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE BECAUSE THE SHEETS FOUNDATION IS A DYNAMIC COMMUNITY-SUPPORTED GROUP THAT GETS INVOLVED IN MAKE-A-WISH.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? MR. SHORKEY, WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 714 RELATED TO THE SHEETS SUP 26017. NOW, AT THIS POINT IS THE USUAL POINT WHERE WE WOULD DO AT LEAST AN INFORMAL STRAW POLL TO GIVE MR. SHORKEY SOME DIRECTION FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY BE IN FAVOR OF THE SHEETS, RAISE YOUR HAND.
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TOWARD APPROVAL? MR. SHUESBERRY? I THINK THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST SHEATHS AT ALL.IF I HAD TO PICK DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DOWNSHIP, GAS STATIONS ARE PROBABLY NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE LINING PROPERTIES AND PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE.
LIKE THAT'S WHO WANTS TO COME TO MY DEALERSHIP RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE US ISN'T THE KIND OF BUSINESS.
IT'S ARE WE OKAY WITH THE VARIANCE.
AND I MEAN, THE GAS STATION, WE DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY OKAY TO.
BUT I FEEL THAT THIS IS A SPOT THAT ISN'T IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S THE SPOT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A GAS STATION.
WE USED A RATIONALE FOR THE LAST ONE THAT WE APPROVED THAT WAS THERE ARE NO GAS STATIONS GOING THIS DIRECTION.
SO THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE ANYMORE, OR TWO MORE, POTENTIALLY THREE.
TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS THAT I COULD SEE MYSELF NOT VOTING FOR IT.
SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT THE STRAW POLL FOR A DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH MEMBER SHISBURY ABOUT THERE BEING, IT'S NICE THAT THEY'RE NOT RESIDENCES VERY CLOSE TO IT, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE PERHAPS FOR OUR NEXT SUP.
AND I THINK THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT.
LIKE I THINK ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS BROWNFIELD SITES ARE ABANDONED GAS STATIONS.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M HOPING THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWNSHIP HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR INSURANCE OR THINGS LIKE THAT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP.
YEAH, I AGREE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED MORE GAS STATIONS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT'S A BIG, LIKE THAT I FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT I WOULD OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT RESPECT, ESPECIALLY STAFF.
ISN'T SAYING LIKE HEY WE HAVE TOO MANY TOWNSHIPS OR TOO MANY GAS STATIONS UM AND SO YEAH I'M WEAKLY UM IN FAVOR I WOULD JUST ECHO COMMISSIONER NAHUM AND UH COMMISSIONER SHOESBERRY'S COMMENTS IT'S IT'S NOT SHEETS IT'S NOT 7-ELEVEN IT'S NOT TAILGATERS TO ME IT'S DO WE HAVE A DUTY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT LONG TERM AND COMMISSIONER BROOKS ALWAYS HAS A GREAT VIEW ON THESE THINGS.
HE TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY BEEN REDEVELOPED? WE HEAR YES, WE'VE REDEVELOPED NAMCO BEFORE OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND BRIAN SAYS I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN 26 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS AND IT'S BECAUSE ONCE THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING AWAY AND IT'S A POLICY QUESTION AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT IS THIS COMMISSION'S DUTY TO THINK ABOUT POLICY QUESTIONS AND I'M NOT SURE IT IS EVEN AS CHAIR.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T PUT OUR THOUGHTS ON THE RECORD AND THEN LET OTHERS THINK ABOUT IT ON A BROADER PERSPECTIVE.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SHEETS, IT'S NOT SOUTHERN LINEMEN, IT'S NOT TAILGATERS.
IT'S THE LARGER POLICY OF WHAT ENDS UP REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY ON GRAND RIVER.
SO CAN I ADDRESS THAT FOR A SECOND? YEAH.
YOU CAN TELL ME NO IF YOU WANT.
IT IS YOUR PURVIEW TO SUGGEST LAND PLANNING POLICY IN THE TOWNSHIP.
BY DEFINITION, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, YOU CAN TELL STAFF, LOOK AT OUR C2 AND, YOU KNOW, DO SOME KIND OF WHAT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL.
IF YOU WANTED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE SOMEHOW AND PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
YOU ALSO, I KNOW STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT.
SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THAT FUEL STATION NUMBER BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE AN OLD NUMBER A LA PARKING REGULATION, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR PARKING, LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING WE WILL DO THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING INTERNALLY.
YOU AS A BODY FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MEETINGS IN JULY WITH LIGHTER AGENDAS.
WE CAN PUT THAT ON AS A DEMONSTRATION.
I HAVE A NOTE COMING OUT OF THE KEDDIECRAFT DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
THERE WAS THAT SENTENCE IN THE REG THAT HAD COMMISSIONER MCCALL AND I AT LEAST SPINNING OF WHAT IT MEANT ON THE PRIMARY USE OF SOMETHING.
BUT IT'S ONE THING TO TAKE UP PARKING REGULATIONS ALMOST IN A VACUUM.
RIGHT, WE TOOK THOSE UP AS A POLICY ISSUE.
BUT THEN TO START SETTING POLICY AS THERE'S ITEMS
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BEFORE US WHICH ARE IMPACTED BY OUR UNDERCURRENT POLICY AND THEN PULL THE RUG OUT, LIKE THAT'S TOO FAR FOR ME.AND YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, THOUGH.
YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE LIST OF SUP STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, MICHIGAN DOESN'T LET YOU SET A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF A SPECIFIC LAND USE IN YOUR TOWNSHIP.
DOES IT MEET THESE STANDARDS? IN THIS CASE, IT...
DOES NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE FUEL STATIONS, SO DID TAILGATERS.
YEAH, MY POINT IS MORE ABOUT IS USING POLICY IN A REACTIONARY SOMETHING WHEN WE HAVE THESE, WHEN WE START THINKING ON A BROAD SCALE AND THEN TO REACT AND CHANGE POLICY WHEN SOMETHING IS IN FRONT OF US.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, BECAUSE WHEN SHE FILED ALL THESE, THEIR ASSUMPTION IS WHEN WE FILE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE POLICY.
I GUESS IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIREFIGHTING AND FIRE PREVENTION, RIGHT? BUT IT'S HARD TO THINK AHEAD UNTIL SOMETHING POPS UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
I MEAN, I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY I GENERALLY WOULD LEAN TOWARD APPROVAL OF SHEETS, BUT IT'S A BROADER POLICY DISCUSSION THAT I THINK IS WORTH HAVING.
I'LL BE BACK TO YOU IN THIS CASE, I THINK, THREE WEEKS, AND I'LL HAVE A DRAFT RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL IN YOUR AGENDA, AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR A FORMAL DECISION.
WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO 7B. 7B IS SUP 26018, AND THAT IS THE 711.
AND I ASSUME, MR. CHIRKY, YOU'RE LEADING AGAIN.
SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A 711 GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE AT 2736 GRAND RIVER AVENUE.
IT IS CURRENTLY THIS POINT EAST HOTEL RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT DOES, AS FAR AS A PARCEL GOES, MEETS DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS.
IT IS SHOWN AS COMMERCIAL IN THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL.
SO ALL THE SAME THINGS I JUST SAID, THEIR GAS STATIONS ARE ALLOWED AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE C2 ZONE.
THIS ONE IS CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN, I CAN BRING IT UP, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, SHOWS THE APPLICANT'S COMPLYING WITH THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS.
HOWEVER, IF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN MOVES FORWARD, IS DRAWN, DOES REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES.
THE REAR SETBACK ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OF 24.4 FEET INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 100 FEET, NOTABLE THOUGH, CAN BE REDUCED TO 60 FEET BY INCORPORATING DOUBLE ROW OF INTERLOCKING TREES, PREFERABLY OTHER GREENS.
THAT'S DIRECTLY FROM THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
BUILDING SETBACK ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OF 24.4 FEET INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 300 FEET, SAME IDEA.
WE HAVE A BUILDING PERIMETER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT WHERE THE BUILDING'S SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE SIDEWALK AND OR THE PARKING AREA WHERE POSSIBLE WITH A FOUR-FOOT LANDSCAPE PERIMETER AROUND THE BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT SHOWN, AND THEY PLAN TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE FROM THAT REQUIREMENT AS WELL.
UM, THE NEAREST ADJACENT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP.
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HERE WE GO.ANYWAY, OKAY, SO FORGIVE THE SHADING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EXACTLY HERE.
SO THESE PARCELS ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS ALL RX ZONING, RX HERE.
THE END OF WARDCLIFF IS RIGHT, THE WARDCLIFF CUL-DE-SAC IS RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S RESIDENT, THAT IS RIGHT IN HERE.
AND THEN HERE'S 5047 AND THEN 5042.
SO THE PROXIMITY HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO END UP.
THEY'RE GOING TO END UP NEEDING DIMENSIONAL VARIANCES REGARDLESS.
IT IS ADEQUATELY SERVED BY SERVICES, THOUGH, PUBLIC WATER, PUBLIC SEWER, ALL THAT.
STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OTHER THAN THAT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING 10 FUEL STATIONS, SO THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO THAT.
IT WOULD LEAD TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CLEARING POINT HOTEL AND STAFF HAS HEARD FAVORABLE COMMENTS.
THE APPLICANT IS WELL REPRESENTED AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHARKEY? COMMISSIONER NAHUM.
AS WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER IN PUBLIC REMARKS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONTACT CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE LIGHTS? I RUN DOWN WARDCLIFF BEFORE DAWN AND I DEFINITELY THOUGHT THERE WERE CARS COMING AT ME.
IF THAT WAS TURNED IN AS A CODE COMPLAINT, WE DO HAVE A LIGHTING REQUIREMENT IN TOWNSHIP.
THAT IS ONE BENEFIT I WILL NOTE FROM THIS.
IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND IT GOES TO SITE PLAN, WE WILL REQUEST A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW ZERO AT THE, WELL, ZERO CANDLE, FOOT CANDLES AT THE LOT LINE.
SO REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISION HERE, WE CAN GET THAT CORRECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THIS IS THE FORM FOR COMMISSIONER NAHUM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL, I SUPPOSE.
COMMISSIONER SHUSBERRY? THE VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, ARE THOSE DONE WITH OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL? THOSE ARE DONE THROUGH SITE PLAN? WE HAVE BEEN ADVISING THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT THEM CONCURRENT WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY TO APPROVE THE VARIANT, OR EXCUSE ME, TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I WOULD WRITE THE VARIANCES INTO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THE RESOLUTION.
SO IF THE VARIANCES THEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE? IF THE VARIANCES AREN'T APPROVED THEN I CAN'T APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
IF THE SITE PLAN CHANGES THAT'S GOING TO BE MAJOR CHANGE TO THE SUP.
IT'S GOING TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S THE CASE FOR THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT.
WHEN SOMEONE SUBMITS A SITE PLAN WITH THEIR SUP APPLICATION, WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, IF WE GET THE SITE PLAN IN AFTER THE FACT AND IT'S REMARKABLY DIFFERENT, THAT'S AN AMENDMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SITES IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT HAVE...
SUCH A REDUCED VARIANCE FOR PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A USAGE LIKE THIS, LIKE ARE THERE OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT ARE SO CLOSE? I'D HAVE TO LOOK, RESEARCH THAT QUESTION.
THE ONE AT OKEMOS ON HAMILTON, ISN'T THAT GAS STATION? YEAH.
SO, UM, DOWN HERE, THIS IS A GAS STATION, UM, BUT IT'S, LET'S SEE.
WE JUST, THIS IS, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT.
THIS DOESN'T OPERATE THE SAME WAY IT DOES IN MY LAPTOP OR MY COMPUTER, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
SO THAT C2 PROPERTY, IT'S NOT REALLY.
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THIS ONE IS, THAT'S RC, SO IT'S A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.YOU RECALL THIS PIECE WAS REZONED A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO C1 FROM THAT RCC.
WHAT I WAS THINKING MORE WAS...
HERE THERE'S A THERE'S A GAS STATION HERE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S THAT MOBILE MOBILE ON HERE THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONED OUR ACT.
WELL, YOU DO HAVE YOU KNOW GAS STATION IN PROXIMITY AND ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES OH YEAH.
AND YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A DELINEATION BETWEEN.
MR. SHORKEY, FOR THE CLARION POINT HOTEL THAT'S THERE, WHAT KIND OF HOTEL IS THAT CURRENTLY? CLARION POINT, I THINK, IS THE, THAT'S THE BRAND, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PICTURE OF IT.
IS IT LIKE A, I GUESS, LOWER MIDDLE INCOME? WHAT KIND OF HOTEL? LONG-TERM STAY? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S A CHOICE HOTEL, SO CREDIT CARD IN MY POCKET.
I'D GET POINTS IF I WENT THERE.
BUT, I MEAN, YOU SEE IN THE AVERAGE RATES, THIS IS ON GOOGLE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK ANY MORE TO SPECIFICS.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S A KING BED, 79, HERE'S HOTELS.COM, 75, BUT TAKE THAT WITH THE GRAIN OF SALT IF YOU WANT.
WHAT'S THE, IN THE BUILDING TO THE EAST OF THIS, WHAT'S THAT ONE? THIS IS COLLEGE PARK APARTMENTS.
IS THAT A, THOSE ARE, SO THOSE ARE APARTMENTS THOUGH.
THEY'RE LIKE YEAR LONG LEASE KIND OF APARTMENTS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO GREAT COMMENTS.
MY POINT ISN'T HOW EXPENSIVE THESE THINGS ARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS MORE THINKING ABOUT THE DIVERSITY OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
AND I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE? WHERE A CLARION POINT OR SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT IS LOCATED.
WE HAVE OTHER HOTEL, WELL, LET ME THINK.
OR THAT ONE THAT IS LIKE THIS CENTRALLY LOCATED AND ACCESSIBLE TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I COULD LOOK INTO THAT IF YOU WANTED ME TO.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WANTED ME TO RESEARCH.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM TRADER JOE'S, RECENTLY APPROVED STARBUCKS, NEXT DOOR TO WHOLE FOODS.
THEY DO PLAN ON KEEPING, LET ME REPHRASE THIS.
THERE IS A PROBABLE ACCESS HERE.
THEY DO HAVE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AS WELL.
NOT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
THEY ARE LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS RECORDED.
WE BELIEVE IT IS, BUT WE'RE NOT THE RECORDING.
MICHIGAN DOESN'T HAVE TOWNSHIPS OR COURT EASEMENTS.
SO THEY ARE RESEARCHING THAT, AND I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT FURTHER.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOES ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOES SUGGEST THAT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, LIMITED ACCESS MOVEMENT BE ALLOWED ON GRAND RIVER AVENUE, AND THAT SHOULD BE CONTROLLED WITH A STOP SIGN.
I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY ASSUMES THIS CONNECTION.
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OKAY, THANK YOU.BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A PLANNER, NOT JUST FOR THE SITE, IS THERE A REASON, LIKE IF WE WENT TO, I'M THINKING OF GAS STATION PROXIMITY TO GROCERY STORES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEIJER OR KROGER.
THEIR GAS STATION IS TYPICALLY FAIRLY FAR FROM AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOTS.
GIVEN THIS DESIGN, DO YOU THINK THAT THE GAS STATION WOULD BE CLOSER TO WHOLE FOODS THAN HOW MEYER AND KROGER HAVE IT SET UP? SIMILAR OR...
YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PARKING LOT.
THE GAS STATION WOULD BE SITUATED ROUGHLY HERE BASED ON THE SITE PLAN.
HERE'S THE CROSS CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT.
THAT'S DOWN HERE AND YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS DISTANCE.
NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY CLOSER TO WHOLE FOODS THAN ANY OTHER.
ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR. SHARKEY.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME? SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THE APARTMENT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THAT'S ALSO ZONE C2.
THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL THEN? THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEM? OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
STAFF REPORT UP ON IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, YEAH, WE'D CALL THAT A NON CONFORMING USE THE ZONING.
THIS WOULD BE EASIER TO SEE IF I SHUT THE PARCELS OFF REAL SO.
ALL OF THIS IS ALL ZONE C TO THIS.
ZONE, AND THESE TWO PROPERTIES HERE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW WARDCLIFF COMES, THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IS ACTUALLY ZONE C2.
AND THEN C2 GOES ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE GRAND RIVER CORRIDOR.
TO FOLLOW UP, SO THE DIMENSIONAL, SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A RESIDENCE LIKE DIRECTLY ADJACENT, THEY CAN PUT THE PUMPS AS CLOSE TO THE APARTMENT AS THEY WANT.
WOULD YOU GIVE ME A SECOND? OH, YEAH.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.
YES, NOT RESIDENTIALLY USED PROPERTY.
WHY WOULD WE WRITE THE VARIANCES INTO THIS SUP BUT NOT THE OTHER ONE? WELL SURE I WOULD, LIKE I DID FOR TAILGATERS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO, FOR SHEETZ, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN IMMEDIATE VARIANCE, BUT THEN FOR THIS CASE, THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THE VARIANCES DIRECTLY INTO THE SUP.
I CAN'T APPROVE THE SHEETZ SITE PLAN WITHOUT THAT VARIANCE.
SO YOUR RESOLUTION WILL SAY AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY COULD GO TO THE ZBA AND GET A VARIANCE FOR THE 16 FUEL STATIONS, 6 EXTRA FUEL STATIONS.
AND THE SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS CASE? THEY'D REQUEST THE VARIANCES FOR THESE SEVERAL ISSUES? CORRECT.
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SORRY, I WAS CONFUSED.OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SORKIN? I'M SURE YOU MENTIONED THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU MAY.
AND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I'M A CESO, THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
HIGHWAY 27, SUITE D, DEWITT, MICHIGAN, 48820.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
WAIT FOR MY PRESENTATION TO COME UP THERE REAL QUICK.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR COMPUTER SHOWS? NOPE.
THE SITE'S PLAYING UP RIGHT NOW.
DID I PICK? I GOT THE ONE YOU TOLD ME.
DID YOU LOSE UP ON MY INDUSTRY? NO.
UNPLUGGING AND PLUGGING IT IN TO UNPLUG THE GYM IT'S SO MUCH EASIER AS A BEGINNER I REALLY LIKE DO I NEED TO DO I USE THE WAY YOU TOLD ME TO DO IT YES YOU'RE USING A VERY SLOW JUST START LIKE SEVEN MONTHS AGO I DID THAT IN CLASS.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF I COULD...
YOU SHOULD LEARN GOOD SINGING AND I'M LIKE...
I WANT TO LEARN TAYLOR SWIFT SONGS RIGHT NOW.
MY DAUGHTER THIS YEAR, WHEN YOU GO INTO MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE.
SO SHE CHOSE TO DO BAND, AND SHE TOOK UP THE CELLO.
AND SHE JUST REALLY WANTS TO DO WEDNESDAY ADDAMS. I ASSUME THEY HAVE A CELLO AT THE SCHOOL THAT YOU COULD USE, SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO LUG THAT.
OH, NO, BUT WE HAD TO RENT ONE, TOO.
ALL GOOD, WE GOT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT GUITARS.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
THIS FIRST IMAGE I HAVE, I'LL GO TO THE PRESENTATION IN JUST ONE SECOND, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND PROXIMITY OF THE OTHER USE, SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THE GREEN IS OUR PROPOSED SITE, THE RED IS THE EXISTING SITE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE CHANGE.
SO THE EXISTING SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE REAR.
THE PARKING LOT HERE KIND OF GOES REALLY CLOSE TO THAT REAR LOT LINE FOR THE HOTEL.
AND ACTUALLY DOWN HERE IT GOES OVER THE LOT LINE INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN FOR THE PROPOSED.
OUR REGISTER IS MUCH FURTHER SOUTH THAN THAT EXISTING PARKING LOT LINE, AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A LARGE AREA FOR A DETENTION POND, WHICH WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO THAT SHOULD HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE LIGHTING, HELP SOFTEN THE SOUND EFFECT BECAUSE IT IS FURTHER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THAN IT IS TODAY CURRENTLY WITH THAT PARKING LOT.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW THAT SPECIFICALLY SINCE I THINK IT SHOWS VERY CLEARLY KIND OF HOW IT LAYS OUT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT EXISTING HOTEL.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
THIS IS FOR A 7-ELEVEN GAS STATION.
I KNOW SOME OF THE PACKET MIGHT HAVE SAID SPEEDWAY AT ONE POINT.
SPEEDWAY HAS CHANGED THEIR, LET ME START, 7-ELEVEN PURCHASED SPEEDWAY IN 21.
AT THE TIME, ALL OF THEIR STORES THAT THEY WERE DOING IN MICHIGAN WERE BEING BRANDED SPEEDWAY, SINCE IT'S VERY POPULAR IN MICHIGAN.
AS OF A MONTH AGO, THEY HAVE RESORTED BACK TO GOING TO ALL 7-ELEVEN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING ALL THEIR BRANDING TO 7-ELEVEN.
SO JUST TO KIND OF POINT OUT FOR THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN SPEEDWAY AND 7-ELEVEN, JUST SO IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A 7-ELEVEN
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GAS STATION AND OWNED BY 7-ELEVEN.SO THE SIGN PACKAGE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE.
I KNOW, AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE, I THINK, HAD SOME SPEEDWAY SIGNS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODD SHAPE.
AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT GRAND RIVER, ARIZONA ANGLES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ORIENT THE SITE TO BEST ALIGN WITH THE MAIN ROADWAY.
I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE THE SITE IS.
I'LL JUST JUMP FORWARD TO THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
SO FOR OUR SITE PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE FIVE DISPENSERS, WHICH MEANS THE TEN FUELING POSITIONS, WHICH IS WITHIN YOUR SPECIAL USE STANDARDS.
OUR PROPOSED BUILDING IS A 04,852 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE A RESTAURANT IN THE USE.
IT IS A READY-TO-GRAB TYPE OF FOOD, MADE READY, FRESH, GRAB-AND-GO TYPE OF SETTING.
WE ARE PROPOSING THE DETENTION POND IN THE REAR OF THE SITE.
SO IT'LL BE ABOVE GROUND POND AND WE'LL MEET THE INGHAM COUNTY DRAIN COMMISSIONER STANDARDS.
YOU DO SEE LIKE A DARKER HATCH AREA TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
AND JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS, IT IS A RED STAMPED CONCRETE PAD TO DELINEATE TO.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN ORDER FOR THE FUEL TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO EXIT THE SITE.
THIS LAYOUT WAS APPROVED BY MDOT AS FAR AS ACCESS AND OUR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS APPROVED BY MDOT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE RED FUEL TRUCK ON THE LEFT.
SIDE THERE JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THAT FUEL TRUCK MOVEMENT.
IT WOULD ENTER THROUGH THE WHOLE FOODS CROSS ACCESS AND THEN IT WOULD EXIT THROUGH THE RIGHT-IN, RIGHT-OUT.
SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT DRIVEWAY.
I KNOW WE'VE WORKED WITH MDOT CLOSELY TO GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
WE, AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE ARE INCREASING THE DISTANCE FROM THAT REAR RESIDENTIAL LOT LINE TO THE DUMPSTER AND PARKING AREA FROM WHAT IS THERE EXISTING TODAY.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.
I KNOW I'LL BRING JOHN UP A FEW TO DISCUSS THE OUTREACH HE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS, JUST SO YOU GUYS GET A BETTER COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT AS WELL.
LANDSCAPING ALONG THE NORTH, AND WE'RE HAPPY.
I KNOW THEY MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF A BERM OR BEEFING UP THAT LANDSCAPING.
WE ARE SHOWING ARBOR ADJACENT TO THAT POND.
IF WE NEED TO DO THE DOUBLE ROW.
WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE AND WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND NEIGHBORHOOD OR VBA, WHATEVER, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, EVERYONE'S HAPPY.
WE ARE MEETING THE IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR THE SITE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT COVERAGE MAXIMUM OF 70.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVERALL TO THE SITE FOR THIS AREA BECAUSE WE ARE PAVEMENT FROM THE EXISTING CONDITION OUT THERE TODAY.
JUST TO DISCUSS LIKE THE VARIANCES JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME DIMENSIONS JUST I KNOW IT'S WE ARE REQUESTING THOSE VARIANCES FOR THOSE SETBACKS TO THE REAR.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE 24.4 FEET IS CALLED OUT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF BECAUSE YOU SAID MENTIONED THAT WAS ZONE C2 THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AND I SHOW THAT THE YEAH THE ROAD IT'S OKAY JUST CURIOUS.
SO THE POINT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIMENSION, IT'S THE 24.4 FEET.
FROM THAT CORNER, THOUGH, TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL HOUSE TO THE NORTH, JUST TO THAT PROPERTY LINE, IT'S 130 FEET FROM THE CORNER, SO IT DEFINITELY HAS A LARGER SPACE FROM THAT BUILDING CORNER TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IS LOCATED.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO POINT THAT OUT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THAT LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THAT FOUR-FOOT-WIDE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, THE CODE DOES MENTION THAT IT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW TO NOT HAVE THAT THERE AND PART OF THE REASON WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS MORE OF A MAINTENANCE AND TRIPPING NIGHTMARE WE TEND TO HAVE WE THE WHOLE YOU'LL SEE THE VIDEO IN A SECOND OUR FRONT SIDEWALK IS FLUSH WE DO NOT HAVE A CURB.
WE HAVE BOLLARDS ACROSS THAT WHOLE FRONT TO PROTECT THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE REASONING FOR THAT IS TRIPPING THERE'S BEEN ISSUES WITH SO MANY TRIPS THEY SUE UNFORTUNATELY AND IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SITE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND FRIENDLY, THEY DO A FLUSH CURB ALONG THE WHOLE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT AND THEN THEY ADD BOLLARDS ALONG THE FRONT FOR PEDESTRIAN PROTECTION.
BUT ADDING THAT LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THAT SIDEWALK AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU THEN COME INTO CONFLICTS WHERE WE HAVE THE PROPANE TANKS, THE ICE MACHINES, AND MAINTENANCE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL USE A MULCH OR ROCK WHICH TENDS TO GET INTO THE SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF STAYING IN THOSE BEDS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE MORE TRIPPING
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HAZARDS.IT'S JUST WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE IT RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
MORE OF A 7-11 STANDARD THAN THE REASON WE'RE REQUESTING IT.
WE ARE SHOWING A SMALL GREEN AREA TO THE LEFT OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE WILL HAVE GREEN TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE DO EXCEED THE LANDSCAPE SETBACK ALONG THE FRONT TO ALONG THE ROAD.
SO I THINK WE HAVE 20 FOOT'S REQUIRED.
SO WE DO HAVE MORE LANDSCAPING AREA ALONG THE FRONT.
IT'S JUST WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO PUT IT BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING DUE TO ALL THE AREA ITEMS I JUST MENTIONED.
I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, TOO, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THIS PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM, IS JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF THE VISUAL TREE LINE THAT IS THERE TODAY FROM THE RESIDENCE.
THAT IS A GOOGLE IMAGE FROM THAT CUL-DE-SAC LOOKING TOWARDS OUR SITE.
AND WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON REMOVING THE EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
WE'LL PLAN ON LEAVING ALONG THE MAIN PROPERTY LINE THERE IN PLACE.
I WANTED TO JUST POINT THAT OUT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE.
THIS IS WITH THE SPEEDWAY BRANDING COLORS LIKE THIS WE'LL HAPPILY DO THIS OR IF YOU GUYS LIKE THE 7-ELEVEN WHEN I SHOW YOU THE VIDEO YOU GUYS CAN SELECT THE COLOR TONES YOU GUYS PREFER.
VERY SIMILAR JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHADING TONE-WISE.
SO THIS IS SHOWING THE 8-INCH THE DARKER TONES IS AN 8-INCH INTEGRALLY COLORED CMU BLOCK.
IT HAS A POLISHED TEXTURED FINISH SO KIND OF HAS A LITTLE MORE OF A DECORATIVE APPEARANCE TO IT.
THE WOOD IS A SPRUCE WOOD PANEL AND THEN THE METAL AREA IS THIS SILVER CORRUGATED METAL PANELS TO HELP BREAK UP THE FACADE.
THIS IS THE CANOPY JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CANOPY APPEARANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN I KNOW YOUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW SIGNAGE ON THE CANOPY SO WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNAGE WE'RE JUST SHOWING THE STRIPING AS A DECORATIVE ELEMENT.
SO THIS IS THE VIDEO SHOWING THE 7-ELEVEN THIS IS THE CURRENT.
PROTOTYPE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY CURRENTLY IN MICHIGAN.
WE HAVE A COUPLE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPENING SOON.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT HAD THE 7-ELEVEN COLORING UNDERTONES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY AS FAR AS THOSE BUILDING COLORS, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
AND THEN ON THE INSIDE, IT'S A MUCH MORE MODERN, JUST FRESH, I FEEL LIKE THE APPEARANCE OF THE NEWER LAYOUT.
IT DOES HAVE THE FOOD SERVICES AS FAR AS THE GRAB-AND-GO TYPE OF FOOD MADE FRESH DAILY AT THE SITE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT A CUSTOM READY CUSTOM DESIGN ORDER FOOD.
IT'S MORE OF A IN-AND-OUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THE CUSTOMERS HAPPY, KEEP THEM MOVING, KEEP THEM FED.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, THIS IS WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
JOHN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE OUTREACH THAT YOU DID WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
JOHN KRUPKA WITH ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, I DID WALK WARDCLIFFE AND PAPER THE RESIDENTS WITH AN INTRODUCTION TO ME, TO OUR GROUP, THE PROJECT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING ON THE MOTEL SITE, ALONG WITH MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
AND THE SITE PLAN THAT MANDY HAS SHARED WITH YOU.
THIS WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
I WORKED WITHIN ABOUT A 500-FOOT RADIUS OF OUR...
PROJECT I DID GET I DON'T KNOW SIR.
I KNOW YOU'RE VERY CLOSE, BUT YOU'RE A LAND ALL RENTALS CORRECT TALK TO THEM ALL OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW YES I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY OF THE MAILBOX THE LANDLORDS THE THE TENANTS DID RESPOND BACK OVERWHELMINGLY FAVORABLE DIDN'T GET ANY CALLS IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT.
WE GOT A LOT OF INTO THE PLAN, SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE BUFFER BEING ONE OF THEM.
ALTHOUGH THEY WANTED PROTECTION FROM LIGHT AS WELL AS VISIBILITY OF THE UNIT, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, ME, DID MENTION THAT AT THE END OF WARDCLIFF, THERE'S A HOLE IN THE FENCE THAT THEY USED TO...
AS A SHORTCUT AROUND THE MOTEL INTO GRAND RIVER, IT SEEMED VERY IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THE WARD CLIFF CIRCLE AND GRAND RIVER SO THEY CAN GET TO THE BUS STATION, BUT ALSO TO FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPTIONS THAT EXIST ON GRAND RIVER.
THE RESIDENTS WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND EXCITED TO HAVE ANOTHER FOOD OPTION FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT MIGHT COME IN.
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WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORK IN CONCERT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM FOR THIS TO BE A COMMUNITY AMENITY.WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
I'LL JUST THROW THE SITE PLAN UP HERE FOR REFERENCE IN CASE ANYBODY WANTED TO REFERENCE ANYTHING.
MAY I ASK MR. SORKIN? THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT.
LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE PER SE, BUT THE LIST OF LANDSCAPING, JUST A WORD OF THE WISE, CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NATIVE OR AT LEAST NOT INVASIVE SPECIES.
WE'VE STARTED PARTNERING WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND BOUNCING THOSE LISTS OFF THEM JUST TO MAKE SURE.
YEAH, AND IT WAS DESIGNED BY OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TEAM.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THEM.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I WOULD BE TEMPTED TO RE-ASK MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF OF THESE, BUT I DO THINK YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
YOU'RE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN GRAND RIVER AND PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ACCESS TO THE MSU STUDENT COMMUNITY THAN SAY THE SHEETS OR THE TAILGATERS WOULD BE, BUT ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
I ASKED THE FORMER APPLICANTS, DOES 7-ELEVEN SELL ANY KRATOM PRODUCTS OR 7-O PRODUCTS? SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE WHEN YOU ASKED, BUT I DID GOOGLE IT WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE.
AND IT DOES SAY THAT THEIR MAIN STORES DO NOT SELL THOSE SINCE THERE WAS A LAWSUIT INVOLVED WITH THAT.
THE FRANCHISE THEY CAN'T CONTROL, BUT THIS IS NOT A FRANCHISE SITE, SO THIS SITE WOULD NOT HAVE IT BASED ON MY GOOGLE RESEARCH.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE ACTUAL 7-ELEVEN CORPORATION OWNS? CORRECT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE? WITH 7-ELEVEN CORPORATION OWNING IT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BETTER MANAGED FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CONTROL IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS.
THERE'S A LARGER COMPANY BEHIND IT TO HELP WITH MAINTENANCE, KEEPING THINGS UPKEEP.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THE FRANCHISE SITES, IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER, SO THEY HAVE TO UPKEEP THEMSELVES.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE GOES, MORE SO THAN ANYTHING I'D SAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE AT THIS POINT.
MR. KIRK? DO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO THE...
YEAH, IN LOOKING AT THE LIST OF VARIANCES...
THE LANGUAGE DOES SAY THAT ON THAT BUILDING PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, IT DOES SAY THAT IT'S THERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ASSUMING WE GET THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE'LL WORK THAT OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. REGE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7.59.
MICHAEL, MR. KARAGOULIS SPOKE AT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND HE DID FILL OUT THE FORM FOR THIS.
SO I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AT 759.
AND JUST, AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MICHAEL KARAGOULIS, 2177 HERITAGE.
488-64, BUT I'M ALSO THE LOT OWNER OF NOT THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY, BUT THE ONE NEXT TO IT AT THE CORNER OF WARDCLIFF AND MANSFIELD.
I DID SPEAK TO THAT GUY TODAY, TOO, THE ONE ADJACENT.
ANYWAY, THAT GROWTH IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS SEASONAL.
IN THE WINTERTIME, SEE YOU RIGHT THROUGH IT.
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AROUND THAT CUL-DE-SAC.SO, YOU KNOW, A GOOD NEIGHBOR, YOU CLEAN THAT UP.
EVERY OTHER PICKET IS FALLING OFF.
YOU KNOW, IT ALL NEEDS TO BE REDONE.
IT CAN BE DONE A LOT BETTER AND WOULD REALLY HELP.
WHAT WE HAVE NEXT TO WHOLE FOODS, THERE'S THIS BERM.
WITH PINE TREES EVERY SIX FEET AND THEN OUR LOT LINE FENCE, WHICH IS EIGHT FEET, THAT WHOLE RUN, OKAY? AND THAT'S QUIET, PRIVATE, GREAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE THE SAME TREATMENT ON THAT SIDE.
AND THE WALKTHROUGH IS NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IT'S THE PROPERTY WITH THE HOUSING.
AND I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AS THE NEIGHBOR.
I HAD ONE STAY FOR 10 YEARS, JUST MOVED OUT.
THE NEIGHBOR IS 11 YEARS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
SO I'LL GRANT YOU ABOUT 30 MORE SECONDS.
AND I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 8.01 P.M.
I COULDN'T EVEN GET HER ON TIME, SO I'M NOT JUDGING ANYBODY.
WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO AT LEAST AN INFORMAL VOTE.
CAN WE HAVE A BIT OF DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE? VERY WELL.
COMMISSIONER NAHUM, KICK US OFF.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE SUP REQUEST STANDARDS.
AND THE ONE THAT I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT IS...
YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT OR BE HAZARDOUS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORING USES.
I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, I ASSUME ALL GAS STATIONS WORK SOMEWHAT SIMILARLY.
WHEN I GO PAST THE SHELL STATION, WHICH IS ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS FROM THIS, WHEN THEY'RE FILLING IT, IT REEKS, LIKE THE WHOLE AREA.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY BE AVOIDED.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND VERY CLOSE TO THOSE PUMPING STATIONS.
AND I KNOW THAT WITH OUR NOTICE POLICY THAT'S GIVEN TO THE APARTMENT OWNER AND THEY LIKE ARE SUPPOSED TO LIKE POST THAT IN THE LEASING OFFICE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THOSE AREN'T SENT TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL APARTMENT.
AND SO I THINK THERE COULD BE VERY LIKELY THAT MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTALS AREN'T IN A POSITION TO KNOW ABOUT THIS TAKING PLACE OR MAYBE TEMPORARY ENOUGH.
THAT THEY WOULDN'T FEEL THAT IT'S WORTH COMING HERE.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE HYPOTHETICAL TENANT RIGHT THERE THAT I WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HAVING A GAS STATION THAT CLOSE TO MY BEDROOM WINDOW.
AND SO I FEEL THAT THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT PRECLUDED IN THE ORDINANCES, BUT I THINK THIS IS A HAZARDOUS USE TO A NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE.
I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS POLICY ON THAT GROUNDS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE.
COMMISSIONER BROOKS? I'M JUST DOING A QUICK GOOGLE HERE, BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT 7-ELEVEN COULD SELL LOCATIONS FROM A COMPANY-OPERATED STORE TO A FRANCHISEE, IN WHICH CASE THEN THE 7-O OR THE KRATOM DRUG COULD POSSIBLY BE SOLD.
WHAT THE LAND USE QUESTION BEHIND YOUR QUESTIONING ABOUT THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE SELLING IS.
WELL, BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT.
ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT A NARCOTIC? ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT A DRUG? YEAH.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SELLING NARCOTICS, WE WILL SHUT THAT DOWN.
I DON'T, IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO KNOW THAT.
I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
ACTIVATES THE SAME OPIATE RECEPTORS AS LIKE ACTUAL NARCOTICS.
IT'S CURRENTLY A SUPPLEMENTED AND UNREGULATED, BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY LOTS OF LAWSUITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING HERE IN MICHIGAN REGARDING ITS USE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUR PLACE HERE TO SAY WE CAN'T ALLOW GAS STATIONS THAT MIGHT SELL IT, BUT YEAH.
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THAT THIS IS A...EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO WHAT I'M SAYING HERE OR A FULL DECISION, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT CONCERNING, GIVEN THE STATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE KRATOM TOPIC PUBLICLY.
THAT BEING ASIDE, THOUGH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE 300 FEET SETBACK GOING DOWN TO 24.4 FEET.
THAT I'M JUST UNWILLING TO SUPPORT AT THIS POINT.
AND THE OTHER ONE, THE 24.4 FEET VARIANCE, EVEN FROM A 60-FOOT LOCAL SCREEN, IS STILL A 50%, MORE THAN 50% REDUCTION.
SO I'M SUPER HESITANT TO DO EITHER OF THOSE.
IT'S SOMEWHAT, THAT'S A MINOR ISSUE.
SO STAFF IS RECOGNIZING THIS SHOWS ALL OF THIS AS RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
LOOKING AT OUR ZONING MAP, THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.
4.4 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IS TRUE BUT YOUR CLOSEST YEAH YOU STILL HAVE AS MEASURING FROM THE CANOPY YOU STILL HAVE THIS LINE EXCEPT THAT'S COMMERCIAL ZONING COMMERCIAL THAT'S COMMERCIAL ZONING UM THAT IS THAT'S YOUR CLOSEST WE WOULD CALL THAT A STRUCTURE AND THAT'S 62.4 FEET.
THIS 24.4 DOESN'T THAT YEAH UM STAFF IS NOTICING THAT AND PLEASE DISREGARD THAT THAT THAT'S NOT THE VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM THE ZONING LINE ACTUALLY COMES ACROSS HERE ALMOST STRAIGHT ACROSS HERE AND DOES THIS.
THIS THEN IS THE DISTANCE TO THE BUILDING.
SO THE BUILDING SETBACK IS 62.4 FEET AND THAT MIGHT GO AWAY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DOUBLE LOCK CONIFEROUS TREES ON THAT BACK PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THEN IT REDUCES TO 60.
I GUESS I APOLOGIZE, THERE'S BEEN MISCOMMUNICATION.
THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, THOUGH.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE ZONE C2, IT'S STILL A RESIDENTIAL, LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING FULL OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS DEFINITELY CLOSER THAN 300 FEET, I WOULD GUESS.
BUT BY DEFINITION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT IS NOT A VARIANCE.
I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT.
DOES NOT SAY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AND EVEN IF IT DID IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
OTHER COMMENTS? WHAT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PLEASURE ON THIS THEN? ARE WE PREPARED TO GIVE A STRAW POLL? FOR THOSE THAT WOULD APPROVE STRAW POLL, WE MAY NEED MORE COMMISSIONERS.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A BINDING VOTE.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF DISCUSSION? IT WOULD NOT BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE TWO DIFFERENT, A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, A RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL AND A RESOLUTION OF DENIAL, AND THEN DECIDE WHICH ONE YOU LIKE? I LIKE THE FIRST OPTION BETTER THAN THE SECOND OPTION, AND I'M SEEING NODS FROM THE APPLICANT.
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I INTUITIVELY WOULD LEAN TOWARD THE FIRST OPTION AS WELL.IN THEORY, YOU'LL GET TWO COMMISSIONERS BACK.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A 3-3 VOTE AT THAT POINT, BUT YOU DO HAVE MORE COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, BIGGER TIES ARE BETTER TIES, RIGHT? OKAY.
WE'LL BRING THIS BACK FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN.
JULY, FIRST JULY MEETING, AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH.
CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS? WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE FOR A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
AT THIS POINT, THE CHAIR WILL RECOGNIZE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS CONVENING BACK AT 8.16 P.M.
WITH THAT, I WILL CALL THE JUNE 22, 2016 MERIDIAN TYPE
[8.UNFINISHED BUSINESS ]
OF PLAN COMMISSION BACK TO ORDER.AND WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.
ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND I OF COURSE WENT SOUTH OF IT AND WE'RE MOVING TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS FIRST PART OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS REV26010 COPPER CREEK THAT HELPS I'M ALMOST THERE NOW THANKS UM HERE.
SO THIS IS THE FOLLOW-UP TO REZONING 26010 COPPER CREEK.
IT'S 65.38 ACRES OF A 139-ACRE PARCEL ON HAZLETT ROAD.
IT WAS REZONED TO RA A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
THEY'RE DOING A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ON IT.
THE REQUESTED REZONING CONFORMS WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE LOTS AS PROPOSED CONFORM WITH THE UNDERLYING RA ZONING.
THE PLAN ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION SHOWS THAT WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY ARE BEING PRESERVED AS DEDICATED OPEN SPACE.
THE REQUESTED OVERLAY ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR COPPER CREEK DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS A RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL IN YOUR PACKET.
ANY COMMENTS FROM MR. SHORKEY? HEARING NO COMMENTS.
MR. SHORKEY, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF REZONING 26010 TO REZONE 65.38 ACRES OF 139 ACRES LOCATED ON HAZLITT ROAD FROM R.A. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO R.A.
WITH PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY 1 FOR THE REASONS LISTED IN THE PACKET.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.
AND I BELIEVE THIS REQUIRES A ROLL CALL VOTE.
ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER SHOESBERRY YES COMMISSIONER NAHUM YES MR BROOKS YES AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES OKAY.
THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.
AND THEN WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND BE SUP 26011, KEDDIE CRAFT RESTAURANT.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
YOUR FEEDBACK, STAFF PROVIDED A RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT DOES COMPLY WITH THE TOWNSHIP MASTER PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOUND IN 86-126 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHARKEY? THAT ENTERTAINS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER NAHUM.
COULD I GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS.
WE HAVE TO READ THAT PART INTO THE RECORD FOR THE RESOLUTION, CORRECT? IS THAT RESOLUTION IN OUR PACKET? YES, IT IS.
OH, I WENT TOO FAR LOOKING AT IT LAST TIME.
HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
YEAH, I MOVED TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RESTAURANT AT THE PROPERTY AT 4632 OKEMOS ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS FOUND
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IN THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE FOR THE REASONS LISTED IN THE PACKET.WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES, BECAUSE NEW RESTAURANTS ARE REQUIRED AROUND HERE.
AND IN MY YEARS, NOW I GET TO SAY WE FINALLY GOT ONE.
WELL, THAT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS AN APPROVAL, SO I WILL LET THEM KNOW.
I WOULD JUST ASK COMMISSIONER SORGHAIN, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'VE LOST MY NOTES OR I CAN'T FIND THEM.
THERE WAS THE, NOW THAT WE'VE APPROVED THIS, THERE WAS SOME REGULATION WHERE, I BELIEVE, THE ENTIRE BOARD WAS CONFUSED.
IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PRIMARY USE AS A RESTAURANT.
COULD WE FIND WHERE THAT IS AND BRING THAT BACK FOR A POLICY OR A BREAKDOWN DISCUSSION? BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT, AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL DIDN'T EITHER.
WOULD YOU LIKE IT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA? ARE WE LIGHT ON THE NEXT AGENDA? WE'VE GOT THREE DISCUSSIONS, NO NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE WILL HAVE THE TWO GAS STATIONS, PROBABLY.
YOU'VE GOT THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS OF SHEETZ, 7-11.
AND, YEAH, YOU'D HAVE BOTH THEN, BUT NO NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO IF YOU WANT ANOTHER BUSINESS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT SHOULD WE AMEND THE ORDINANCE SOMEHOW, STAN HAS HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
I SUPPOSE AS WE FIND THESE THINGS WE SHOULD TAKE A PASS AT THEM.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT GOES BACK TO MY POLICY DISCUSSION ON FIREFIGHTING VERSUS...
SORRY, CHAIR, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
DID WE ALSO PUT IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FUELING? IS THAT A DISCUSSION THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE IN THE AGENDA SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE? I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE ADDING THINGS...
STAFF'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? OH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF HAVING A DISCUSSION WOULD FACILITATE STAFF OR...
YOU'RE WITHDRAWING? YEAH, I'M WITHDRAWING.
NO, THE NUMBER OF FUEL STATIONS IS A BLACK AND WHITE NUMBER.
RESTAURANTS IN AN OFFICE ZONE WAS A...
BECAUSE IT WAS THAT PARADIGM THAT CAUSED THAT SUP IN THE FIRST PLACE, YES? YES.
I HAVE SOME, AS I OFTEN DO, I HAVE A FEW CIVIL LANGUAGE.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE OUR MOTION, WE HAVE OUR APPROVAL FOR KEDDIE CRAFT.
WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO REZONING, REZ 26013, THE SAME PROPERTY.
SO TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MR. SINGH'S APPLICATION TO REZONE 1.1 ACRES AT 2020 M78 FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL OF A DENSITY, ALLOWING HIM TO CONVERT HIS.
SO ONE, STAFF'S MEMO ON JUNE 8TH FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING INDICATED IF THE REZONING WAS APPROVED, THE PROPOSED DUPLEX WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER.
THIS IS A TOWNSHIP POLICY FOR NEW RESIDENCES TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER IF IT IS AVAILABLE AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 78-27 IN THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE.
THAT SECTION IN THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE REQUIRES SEWER CONNECTIONS FOR ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION INTENDED FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY.
BASED ON THESE ORDINANCES, THE PROPOSED DUPLEX WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO TOWNSHIP WATER AND SEWER.
BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED.
NEVER MIND, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP PATHWAY.
ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO CREATE AND RECORD A PATHWAY EASEMENT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IF THE PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO EITHER CONSTRUCT A PATHWAY OR PAY THE AMOUNT IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, TO BUILD A DUPLEX, BUILD THE WHOLE PATHWAY, BUT HE IS BEING ASKED TO DEDICATE THE EASEMENTS SO THE TOWNSHIP CAN DO IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN ANSWER IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.
STEPH IS IN A POSITION NOW AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO WITH THIS REZONING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FERKEY? I DO HAVE ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.
LET'S EXHAUST MR SHORT ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR SHIRKIN FIRST AND MOVE ON TO THE OTHER ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR SHORTY YOU JUST SAY EXHAUST MR SHORTY I BELIEVE OUR GENERAL ROLE AS A COMMISSION IS TO EXHAUST MR SHORTY SO AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS WE WILL CONTINUE WITH EXHAUSTION LATER ALL RIGHT I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH MR SHORTY ALL RIGHT UH MR SINGH IF YOU WOULD UM JUST AS USUAL NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND NOTE,
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THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING.MY NAME IS BK SINGH, 2020 EAST.
I THINK PATHWAY IS REQUIRED ONLY.
WE ARE DOING THAT EXISTING PATHWAY.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, THE PROJECT COMES TO LIFE WHEN ALL THE AREAS ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
THERE'S NO SENSE OF PUTTING A LITTLE PATCH OF CONCRETE AND THEN THERE'S DIRT AFTER THAT.
AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO US.
SO IT HAS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
MAINTENANCE HAS TO COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY HAD THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INSTALL CROSSWALK WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP JURISDICTION.
SO MANY TOWNSHIPS IS REQUIRING JUST A PATCHWORK OF SIDEWALK.
THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY VERY EFFECTIVE.
I THINK I HEARD MR. SHARKEY SAY YOU WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE PATHWAY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE EASEMENT FOR IT.
THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING REQUIRED TO PUT IN A PATHWAY NOW.
IT WOULD BE ONLY IF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED.
YOU JUST HAVE TO ALLOW FOR AN EASEMENT TO ALLOW THE PATHWAY TO GO IN LATER.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU, THOUGH, IS THAT THE LAST TIME WHEN YOU WERE HERE, I BELIEVE THAT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU DID NOT INTEND TO CONNECT THE PROPERTY.
TO WATER OR SEWER AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE AND I'M SEEING HERE NOW THAT IT IS A REQUIREMENT IF THIS IF THESE ARE REDEVELOPED INTO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU PROPOSE SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS WOULD YOU STILL WANT TO DO THIS KNOWING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE EXPENSE OF CONNECTING THIS TO WATER AND SEWER OR OR WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR PLAN BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T PROCEED WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER AND YOU DON'T PLAN TO PUT WATER AND SEWER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THEN IT SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU STILL WANT TO PROCEED IN THE WAY YOU HAD PROPOSED KNOWING WHAT WE'VE JUST LEARNED FROM MR. SHARKEY, I MEAN THERE'S NO PUBLIC SEWER TO HOOK UP TO ON THE EXISTING SAFETY TANK AND HAS BEEN UPDATED BACK IN 2010 OR SOMETHING THAT HAS A 1500 GALLON CAPACITY DUAL TANK IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED BY INGHAM COUNTY BACK THEN.
SO TO HOOK UP TO THE PUBLIC SEWER, THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS PUBLIC SEWER THERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE SOME KIND OF A VARIANCE TO GET THIS EXISTING SEWER, I MEAN, A SAFETY TANK TO ACCOMMODATE THESE TWO STRUCTURES.
MR. SINGH, IF YOU, IF WE REZONE THIS AND YOU DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UNDER THE ORDINANCE, WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT TO MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP'S PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.
MAKE AN APPLICATION TO HOOK IT UP.
COMMISSIONER NAHUM? SO, IS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER...
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE OR MAKE IT AVAILABLE BY? IT IS, IT IS INSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.
THEY DID CONNECT TO IT SOMEWHERE TO THE SOUTH.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT IS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHERE THE SEWER LINE IS.
SO IF THE LINES DON'T CURRENTLY REACH THE PROPERTY, IT IS NOT, JUST ACCORDING TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
I'M GOING TO SAY IT MIGHT BE COST PROHIBITIVE.
OKAY, SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE HERE IS NOT REGARDING THE DISTANCE FROM THE LINE.
THE LANGUAGE HERE WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS IN A VACUUM.
I'VE TALKED TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND I'VE TALKED TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND JUST BECAUSE, LIKE, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST
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AVAILABILITY AND COST PROHIBITIVE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.YEAH, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SINGH? WE ARE.
ANYTHING MORE YOU WISH TO PUT ON THE RECORD? PARDON? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO PUT ON THE RECORD? NO, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY.
ALL THE FACTS ARE HERE FOR YOU TO DECIDE THAT.
AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'D MOVE TO A STRAW POLL, AND WE CAN TAKE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS RELATED TO A POTENTIAL STRAW POLL.
ANYBODY WISH TO LEAD OFF COMMENTS? I'LL GO.
COMMISSIONER BROOKS? SO I STILL ADHERE TO WHAT I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY ON THIS, WHICH IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF THEY WANT TO REZONE SOMETHING, AND IT'S WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND IF IT'S WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN THEN I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS DOES IN SOME CASES IN MOST CASES FROM WHAT WE'VE READ AND SEEN THOUGH WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT ARE IF IT BECOMES REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO THE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY NECESSARILY.
SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS PORTING AT THE MOMENT.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS IS LEADING TO AN IMPASSE IF IT IS INDEED REQUIRED TO HOOK IT UP.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS REQUIRED.
AGAIN, FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, I THINK SEEING WHERE THIS IS LOCATED AND SEEING THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF DOES NOT GIVE ME PAUSE.
THE WAY THAT IT GOT THERE, I THINK, IS SORT OF BUILD FIRST AND ASK PERMISSION LATER GIVES ME SOME CONCERN.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT SETTING UP THE TOWNSHIP FOR A BIG FIGHT WITH A PROPERTY OWNER.
YOU KNOW, IF DOING THIS APPEARS TO GIVE YOU OKAY WHEN IT'S NOT REALLY OR IT MAKES IT UNSUSTAINABLE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT TOWNSHIP DIDN'T APPROACH HIM ABOUT THAT.
AND SO, MR. SINGH, I HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING, AND I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ELSE IS MAYBE REQUIRED OF YOU TO PROCEED WITH THIS, THAT IT'S NOT OKAY TO, IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED, IT'S NOT OKAY TO HAVE OCCUPANTS THERE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND FOLLOWING THE TOWNSHIP'S ORDINANCES.
SO I GUESS PUT THE CHANGE IN AND OF ITSELF, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO, SO I'D BE INCLINED TO SAY YES.
YEAH, I'M ASSUMING TO PUT THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG THING BECAUSE I AM PERSONALLY CAUGHT ON THE IF YOU DO IT, WE'LL REZONE IT LATER STANDARD.
I AM GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF PROPERTY OWNERS DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PERSONAL VALUE OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
I THINK COMMISSIONER BROOKS MAKES GREAT POINTS.
IT MAY BE A PERSONAL STICKING POINT FOR ME, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO GET IN THE HABIT OF IF YOU BUILD IT, WE WILL ZONE.
I WOULD BE LEANING TOWARD NO AT THIS POINT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOUNDS LIKE THREE TENTATIVE YESES.
YEAH, SO I THINK YOU KNOW, OKAY, AND WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT HERE, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT...
WELL, YOU HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I'LL BRING A RESOLUTION TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
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YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE PASS AT IT.SO, MR. SINGH, WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN JULY 13TH.
I'LL BRING A RESOLUTION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY KIND OF SUPPORT YOUR APPLICATION AND THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION ON JULY 13TH, OKAY? OKAY? AND I'LL EMAIL YOU IN TIMELY FASHION THIS TIME.
I'M GOING TO WRITE THAT STATEMENT DOWN AND USE IT IN FUTURE COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THAT BRINGS UNFINISHED BUSINESS TO A CLOSE.
FOR THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS WHICH MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE
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AGENDA? I DO NOT.MOVING ON TO REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
WHAT SAY YOU, MR. SHORKEY? I'D SAY THAT WE HAD A SHORT WEEK LAST WEEK, AND YOU'D THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD.
A NUMBER OF OUR STUFF WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WHAT DO THEY DO? SO, UM, GARZA FAMILY, 1745 MACK AVENUE, REZONING ADOPTION.
PARKING STANDARDS UPDATE ADOPTION.
MAINTAIN SIDEWALK SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 22.
ZONING AMENDMENT OF THE BACKYARD CHICKEN AND RABBITS, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW DID PASS.
FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAND PRESERVATION ACQUISITION YOU GUYS HEARD ABOUT ON HAMILTON ROAD.
THAT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON RECENTLY.
ANYBODY WITH ANY COMMENTS ON THE HUNTER BOARD UPDATE? HEARING NONE, LIAISON REPORTS.
WHO IS LIAISING AS OF THESE DAYS? COMMISSIONER NAHUM? SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THE ZVA MET TO DISCUSS A VARIANCE REGARDING PUTTING SOLAR PANELS AT OKEMOS COMMUNITY CHURCH, AND WE VOTED IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THAT VARIANCE.
THE VARIANCE WAS CONCERNING PUTTING THE SOLAR PANELS CLOSER TO THE BUILDING AS WELL AS CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
HOWEVER, THEIR LOT PROBABLY PREDATES THE EXISTENCE OF THE ORDINANCES, AND THERE WAS NO OTHER PLACE TO PUT THE SOLAR PANELS.
AND SO, YEAH, IT WENT VERY SMOOTHLY.
I'LL SAY IN MY OWN SUBDIVISION, I'M SEEING SOME POPPING UP OF SOLAR PANELS.
WHEN I WAS ATOI PRESIDENT, WE APPROVED THE SET.
NOW I'M NOT PRESIDENT, AND I CARE A LOT.
SO JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, THERE WAS A LAW PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHICH BASICALLY DENOTED THAT EVERY HOA HAS TO HAVE A SOLAR PANEL POLICY WRITTEN.
AND YOU CAN PUT BASICALLY NO...
NO OBSTRUCTION OUTSIDE OF ANY OTHER GIVEN PROCESS TO SOLAR PANELS.
YOU CANNOT CHARGE A FEE, YOU CANNOT DO...
SO WE WROTE A SOLAR PANEL ASSOCIATION UNDER GUNDERT,
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GOVERNED BY THE WORK FOR A LAWYER THAT SPECIALIZED.I BELIEVE THAT IS FOR OUR LIAISON REPORTS? WITH THAT, PROJECT UPDATES, MASS TIMBER, AS I RECALL.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
I ATTENDED THE CORDURA IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY MEETING LAST WEEK.
AND THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM THEM WAS THEY FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE A LEVEL THREE AMENITY IN THE MEPD ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT WOOD PANELING.
CONSTRUCTION, IT'S TALKING ABOUT SUPPORTS.
TWO OF THE FOUR MEMBERS SAW THAT IMMEDIATELY AND REALLY CLEARLY.
SO BY CONSENSUS, NOT FORMAL VOTE OR ANYTHING, BUT YEAH, I'M GOING TO...
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 27TH.
SO AGAIN, MAKE THE 13TH MEETING AT THIS POINT, JULY 13TH AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN WE'LL NOTICE IT IN THE PAPER, AND I'LL BRING YOU A RESOLUTION SHOWING THAT AS A LEVEL 3 IN THE MU-PUD ORDINANCE,
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AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE LIST THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE COMMERCIAL PUD ORDINANCE, AND THEN DEFINING IT USING THE DEFINITION THAT I PREVIOUSLY SHOWED YOU, AND I'LL PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER AS ONE RESOLUTION, AND THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS IT THERE.SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SOUNDS APPROPRIATE.
LEVEL THREE SEEMS HIGH, BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT.
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TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I HAVE.
MR. SHARKEY, FOR THE FUELING STATION ORDINANCE SAYS, FROM READING TOWNSHIP, FUELING STATION IS EACH LOCATION AT A GASOLINE PUMP ISLAND WHERE A ONE MOTOR VEHICLE MAY BE FUELED.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT A FUEL PUMP HAS TWO STATIONS.
AND THAT'S STAFF'S INTERPRETATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT IT. SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS EIGHT PUMPS, EIGHT TIMES TWO, 16. THAT'D BE 16 FUELING STATIONS. BECAUSE THERE IS A...
FUEL STATION, WEIRDLY, IS DEFINED. RIGHT. YEAH, WHICH YOU WERE READING, I'M SORRY.
THAT WAS REDUNDANT. BUT YEAH, EACH LOCATION AT A PUMP ISLAND WHERE ONE MOTOR VEHICLE MAY BE FUELED. SO AN ISLAND MIGHT HAVE TWO, I'M THINKING OF KROGER FOR INSTANCE. AN ISLAND WILL HAVE TWO PUMPS. FOUR VEHICLES CAN FUEL FROM THOSE TWO PUMPS. RIGHT.
AND SO THEN, SO THAT'S FOUR STATIONS.
WAIT, OKAY, SO A PUMP ON EACH SIDE OF THE STATION, SO IT'S ONE STATION, TWO PUMPS. ONE PUMP, TWO STATIONS. OH, ONE PUMP, TWO STATIONS. RIGHT. I CAN BE FUELING MY TRUCK AND YOU CAN PULL UP NEXT TO ME AND WE CAN SAY HI, BUT WE'RE FUELING TWO DIFFERENT VEHICLES AT THE SAME PUMP. ONE PUMP, TWO FUELING STATIONS.
RIGHT. THEN THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE SHEETS, THANK YOU, IS EIGHT. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR TEN FUELING STATIONS.
CORRECT. IT WOULD ONLY BE FIVE PUMPS. RIGHT. AND THE VARIANCE IS FOR EIGHT. PUMPS, 16 FUELING STATIONS. YES, PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE. IT'S ON THE INPUT, NOT THE OUTPUT.
YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DID LOOK AT THE MIRE ON GOOGLE MAPS FROM 2025 AT SEVEN PUMPS, JUST TO BE CLEAR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ASK. OKAY. I MEAN, I DO THINK IT WAS INTERESTING.
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT... WE SET UP FOR APPROVAL HOW MANY MORE PUMPS AND STATIONS TODAY? SO ANOTHER 32 STATIONS, ROUGHLY, BETWEEN THE TWO PROPOSALS? WELL, ONE OF THEM WAS 2-2, BUT YEAH. 7-11 COMPLIED WITH THAT. OKAY. 7-11 DID NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO THAT WAS 16 PLUS 1, SO 26. SO 10 AND 16 IS 26.
YEAH, 26. AND THEN YOU ADD WHAT TAILGATERS HAS. ANOTHER 16.
THAT'S BEYOND MY MATHEMATICAL SKILL SET WHEN WE HAVE TO CARRY THE ONE. HOW OFTEN DO WE SEE MEYER? SEVEN PUMPS FULL.
YEAH. ONLY WHEN I NEED TO GET IN AND OUT. MORE. THEY SEEM TO ALWAYS HAVE ONE THERE THAT'S NEVER WORKING, THOUGH. IF YOU CAN COME. F-A-Z-E-A. I COULD NOT. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE RECORDED FOR ANY MORE OF MY NONSENSE AT A.R.D.M. ANY MORE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST SAY HAPPY FIRST FATHER'S DAY TO COMMISSIONER NAHUM. THANK YOU.
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CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT.WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND.
SECONDED. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NAHUM. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. WE ARE CLOSED AT 845.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.