Sep 08, 2025 Planning Commission

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OH, OKAY. SO THAT.

SO WE JUST HAVE THE AGENDA. THE AGENDA AND THE APPROVAL OF THE JULY 28TH MINUTES.

AND COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, BEFORE YOU POINTED OUT, COMMISSIONER FOWLER ALREADY POINTED OUT THE TYPO.[LAUGHTER] SO GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE THE TOWNSHIP SENDING A CLIMATE SUMMIT TOMORROW.

YOU ARE CHAIR TONIGHT. THIS SHOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY YES. IT LOOKS LIKE A KIND OF A LIGHT AGENDA. I REALLY WANT TO GO TO IT, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK TO IT'S A PERSONAL MATTER, BUT ANYWHO. OKAY. SORRY I'M LATE I DID GET A TEXT. WHEN YOU GET SETTLED IN, IF COMMISSIONER ROMBACK IS RUNNING A LITTLE LATE, HE SAID IT'LL BE ABOUT 5 MINUTES LATE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY ISN'T HERE, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM COMMISSIONER BROOKS. BUT YOU DO HAVE A QUORUM WHEN YOU'RE READY.

OKAY. I DON'T THINK. HOW DO YOU TURN THIS ON? THANK YOU. I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THAT.

THERE'S COMMISSIONER BROOKS. OOPS. YEAH, I JUST TURNED IT OFF AGAIN.

IN ALL MY TECHNICAL PROWESS, I TURNED IT ON AND THEN BACK OFF AGAIN. IT'S OKAY, I FORGIVE YOU.

I'M NOT PATIENT ENOUGH. THAT'S MY CHALLENGE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

IT'S MY OWN IMPATIENCE. YES. NO, IT'S ALL RIGHT.

DO TELL. WHAT WAS THE TYPO? WOW.

YES I WOULD. BECAUSE THAT'S A PARAGRAPH THAT I.

WHAT DID I MEAN? WOW. I READ THAT PARAGRAPH AND READ RIGHT THROUGH THAT.

IT'S SO HARD WHEN YOU'RE READING SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN OR SAID BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY INTERNALIZED IT, AND TO TRY TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

YEAH, BUT SOMEBODY READS IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, LIKE, WELL.

OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THE. IT'S OKAY. START HERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVEN'T PRACTICED THIS AT ALL TODAY.

IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER.

ALRIGHTY. SO IT IS SEPTEMBER 8TH AND AT 6:34 P.M.

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BROOKS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS.

HERE. AND COMMISSIONER FOWLER .HERE. AND COMMISSIONER SNYDER IS HERE.

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PLANNED ABSENCES. MOVING ALONG TO ITEM 3. PUBLIC REMARKS.

DOES ANYONE HERE WITH PUBLIC REMARKS? NO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM 4, APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

OH [INAUDIBLE] OKAY. GOT IT. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING WITH THE CORRECTION TO ITEM 9.B ARTICLE SHOULD BE ARTICLE H. SECOND.

EXCELLENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF AGENDA SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO ITEM 5, THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ANY. ANYTHING THAT NEEDS DISCUSSION WITH THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 28TH MEETING.

ANYTHING NEED TO BE CORRECTED? WELL, WE MOVE THE MINUTES. FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE HAD 1 CORRECTION POINTED OUT TO ME OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING.

AND IT I IT'S BEEN NOTED. IT'S UNDER ITEM 9 OTHER BUSINESS ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.

SECOND LINE, THERE'S A REDUNDANCY IF THEY'RE AT THE END OF THE LINE.

GOT IT.

SECOND. OKAY. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. SECONDED.

I'M SORRY. SORRY. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES? SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. SO THE MINUTES FROM JULY 28TH ARE APPROVED.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. COMMUNICATIONS. YOU HAVE 3 COMMUNICATIONS IN YOUR PACKET.

[6. COMMUNICATIONS]

OKAY. ITEM 7. PUBLIC HEARINGS THERE ARE NONE.

ITEM 8 UNFINISHED BUSINESS THERE IS NONE. ITEM 9 OTHER BUSINESS.

[9.A. Central Park Drive Development — Staff Update only— No Attachment]

THANK YOU. SO IT IS, TIM IS HERE. AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS SORT OF PRECURSOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THE LAND USE DISCUSSION THAT'S COMING ON THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEARLY, AT THIS POINT, 40 YEAR LONG LAWSUIT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THE 35 AT THIS POINT, YEAR LONG LAWSUIT THAT I'VE HAD SEVERAL YEARS TO DIGEST AND UNDERSTAND.

AND NOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON IT, A PIECE OF IT AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME OVER THAT LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

RIGHT. AND SO THIS WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN THAT IS ZOOMED OUT VERY FAR, BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU SORT OF THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

SO WE'VE GOT TIHART ROAD AT THE TOP END, MARSH ALONG THE SIDE.

THIS IS NEWMAN AND THEN POWELL ROAD OVER HERE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ESSENTIALLY PREDATING TECHNICALLY IT PREDATES CENTRAL PARK, THE ROAD, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CENTRAL PARK IS ON THERE NOW BY THE TIME THIS MAP WAS CREATED.

SO FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT THIS WAS, IS IN THE LATE 80S THE I FAMILY OWNED 200 PLUS ACRES OF LAND IN THIS AREA, HAD A PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT, BROUGHT IT FORWARD.

AND AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT KNOWS MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HISTORY BETWEEN THE 80S AND 90S, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH OF PRO DEVELOPMENT.

ANTI-DEVELOPMENT ON THE BOARD, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

AND BY THE TIME THE PROJECT CAME FORWARD IN THE LATE 80S, IT WAS AN ANTI-DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

THEY TURNED IT DOWN. AND ULTIMATELY WE WERE SUED.

AND SO IN 92 WAS WE ORIGINALLY SETTLED THE CASE IN 92, ESSENTIALLY PUTTING THIS ROUGH ZONING PLAN IN PLACE TO START DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT SETTLEMENT HAS BEEN AMENDED, I BELIEVE, 3 TIMES IN TOTAL.

SINCE THEN, THE CS ZONING THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE TOWNSHIP.

WE ACTUALLY MAINTAIN A 1 COPY OF IT IN OUR OFFICE FOR WHEN THIS PROJECT COMES UP.

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SO THIS THIS COVERS THE WALMART PROPERTY, THIS COVERS CENTRAL PARK ESTATES.

THIS COVERS THE SATELLITE BARBECUE BUILDING. THIS COVERS, I BELIEVE, MSUFCU TECHNICALLY, THE BUILDING IS UNDER THIS.

THIS COVERS THE LAND PRESERVE AREA NEXT TO MSUFCU.

SO THIS IS A WHOLE AREA. AND OVER THE YEARS THE ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED THROUGH SETTLEMENT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH SETTLEMENT STIPULATION BECAUSE THE JUDGE GIVEN THE THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS DECLARED, WAS FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED AT THE TIME, HAS MAINTAINED JURISDICTION OVER IT THROUGH SEVERAL JUDGES NOW.

AND SO THE LAST REMAINING PIECE OF THIS IS THE SPACE.

LET ME ZOOM IN HERE, NOPE. THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

APOLOGIES. I HAVE LOST MY ZOOM BUTTON. THAT CONTROL SCROLL SHOULD GET YOU THERE. YEAH, I CAN CONTROL SCROLL THAT'S RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO WE ARE NOW ESSENTIALLY DOWN TO.

THIS MESS OF AN AREA HERE THAT YOU SEE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ORDER THAT PREDATED CENTRAL PARK ESTATE.

SO IN 2002 AN AMENDMENT REQUEST CAME FORWARD FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A CHANGE FOR THE ZONING OVER THE AREA THAT YOU SEE ROUGHLY IN THIS AREA.

AND SO IT INVOLVED THE CENTRAL PARK. THE PROPERTY IS NOW CENTRAL PARK ESTATES.

THIS CS ZONING AND THIS PO ZONING IS REALLY THE KEYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON HERE FOR A SECOND.

AT THE TIME THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE TO BOTH KEEP POWELL ROAD AS SORT OF THE END OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S SORT OF AS THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY BECAME A THING.

POWELL ROAD WAS REALLY SORT OF THAT LINE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND SO THEY WANTED TO SEE CENTRAL PARK ESTATES BUILT.

THEY WANTED TO SEE IT SORT OF TURNED BACK SORT OF TOWARDS THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO IN 2002, THE REQUEST CAME IN LARGELY TO GET RID OF THE PO ZONING.

RIGHT. THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH AN OFFICE PARK TO GET BACK TO A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE REQUEST CAME FORWARD IN 2002 TO CHANGE THE P.O.

AND A PORTION OF THE CS TO RD MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

SO THE CS WOULD REMAIN ON THE FRONTAGE, WHICH IS NOW ON CENTRAL PARK DRIVE.

THE MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN CENTRAL PARK ESTATES WOULD GET BUILT TO THE FAR EASTERN EDGE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE. ALL THESE SORT OF UNIQUELY SHAPED THINGS THAT YOU SEE ARE NATURAL AREAS THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE SET ASIDE.

THEY'RE ALMOST ALL WETLANDS AND THEY HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED THUS FAR.

IN THE DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY, THERE'S A LOT RIGHT HERE IN CENTRAL PARK ESTATES THAT HAS A VERY WEIRD SIDE LOT LINE BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOLLOWING THE LINE OF THE WETLAND.

AND SO AT THE TIME, IN 2002, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD GOT THE REQUEST AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF ZONING. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE LAND USE QUESTION HERE AND WHAT HAPPENED IN 2002 IS THEY RAN IT ESSENTIALLY AS IF IT WAS A REZONING.

PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. BOARD TOOK IT UP.

AND THEN THE BOARD MADE THE DECISION IN 2002 TO RECOMMEND TO DIRECT THE ATTORNEYS TO IMPLEMENT A AMENDMENT TO THE JUDGE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO IMPLEMENT THAT ZONING CHANGE.

AND SO THE PO ZONING GOES AWAY, GOES TO RD, AND OUR CURRENT ZONING MAP IS WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW.

WE STILL HAVE THE CS UP FRONT. SO STILL OUR HIGHEST DENSITY COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONTAGE.

NOW YOU HAVE MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY AND YOU HAVE CENTRAL PARK ESTATES IN THE BACK.

AND THE THE SORT OF CARROT WAS THEY NEEDED TO GET CENTRAL PARK ESTATES DONE TO ALLOW ANYTHING ELSE TO SORT OF GO FORWARD. AND SO CENTRAL PARK ESTATES WAS DONE.

AND OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE ECONOMY.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED. FAST FORWARD TO THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

THE EIDE FAMILY HAS RESTRUCTURED THE MATRIARCHS, THE PATRIARCHS OF BOTH PATHS AT THIS POINT AND ALL THE NEXT GENERATION HAS TAKEN OVER.

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AND SO STAFF WAS APPROACHED ORIGINALLY IN 2023 REGARDING THE POTENTIAL TO DO MULTIFAMILY IN THIS AREA.

EARLY 2024 PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

IT WAS ACTUALLY THE 1ST MEETING IN MAY. THE TOWNSHIP HAD A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME, AND UPON MY UPON MY APPOINTMENT TO INTERIM TOWNSHIP MANAGER, I RECOMMENDED TO THE GROUPS AT THE TIME.

THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, AND YOU'RE LIKELY TO MEET A MORE HOSTILE CROWD THAN NORMAL.

AND SO THEY STEPPED BACK. THINGS WERE ON THE BACK BURNER.

ANOTHER GROUP APPROACHED US WITH A, IT WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WE DIDN'T FIND TO BE VERY APPEALING.

AND SO THINGS KIND OF CALMED DOWN. AND THEN MANAGER DEMPSEY STARTED AND THINGS HAVE SETTLED DOWN IN THE THE GROUP THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTERESTED WAS STILL INTERESTED.

AND THEY'VE COME BACK NOW, AND THEY HAVE FORMALLY ASKED THE TOWNSHIP BOARD TO CONSIDER THIS.

AND SO THIS IS THE THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

AND I'M GOING TO START AT THE SOUTH END AND WORK MY WAY NORTH HERE.

SO SOUTH OF. DIRECTOR SCHMITT. YES. SORRY. CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS DURING THIS, OR WOULD YOU RATHER WE WAIT UNTIL THE END? I AM GOOD WITH QUESTIONS WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO, TO ASK THEM.

I JUST WANT TO, LIKE, FROM A HIGH LEVEL. SO WHO REGULATES THIS SPOT CURRENTLY? IS IT THE SETTLEMENT? YES. SO THE SETTLEMENT.

THE ZONING AS OF 1992. OKAY. SO THERE'S A SETTLEMENT, BASICALLY, THE TOWNSHIP SETTLED.

YES. AND THAT DOCUMENT REGULATES THIS SPECIFIC BLOCK.

CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO CAN THAT CHANGE GIVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. WE CAN. WE'VE AMENDED IT 3 TIMES, I BELIEVE THUS FAR TO BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY AMENDED IT MORE THAN THAT.

I APOLOGIZE. BECAUSE THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS WALMART IS PART OF THIS.

SO ANYTIME WALMART DOES ANYTHING, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RATHER CUMBERSOME PROCESS.

NOW, WALMART IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE NICE TO US AND GET RID OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE TIRED OF DEALING WITH IT, TOO. STAFF, YOU KNOW, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS YOU SHOULDN'T DO ZONING BY LAWSUIT, BUT HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT 35 YEARS LATER. OKAY. SO AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IN A MINUTE WHY YOU CAN NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THE LEGAL STUFF, BUT WE'LL GET THERE. SO PROPERTY SOUTH OF COLUMBUS AVENUE, LARGELY WETLANDS NOW WILL RETAIN WILL REMAIN WETLANDS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A DETENTION BASIN IN THE SMALL AREA OF UPLANDS AT COLUMBUS AND CENTRAL PARK.

ALL THE WATER FLOWS THIS WAY ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S TRYING TO GET TO THE POND THAT'S DOWN BEHIND GRAND RESERVE.

JUST OFF OF GRAND RIVER BY THE SPARROW FACILITY.

WHEN YOU GET IN BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND BELVEDERE IS WHEN YOU GET TO THE MEET OF THE PROPOSAL.

AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO THE BOARD.

AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SUBMITTAL YET. LET ME REITERATE THAT.

IS 2 STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO KEEP.

WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS MIMIC THE DESIGN OF THE 2 AND 2 AND A HALF STORY BUILDINGS, HOUSES TO THE REAR. AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE DENSITY SOMEWHAT LOW HERE.

DETENTION IN THE REAR AND THEN TO THE NORTH. AND THIS IS THE PIECE THAT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE MAPS THAT YOU SAW BEFORE.

THIS IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS FROM CENTRAL PARK APARTMENTS, WHICH WAS ALSO PART OF THIS LAWSUIT ORIGINALLY.

THIS IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE THAT GOES OUT TO TIMES SQUARE. I BELIEVE PEOPLE REFER TO IT AS MADISON AVENUE.

IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A STREET. IT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.

STAFF, WE NEED TO CONFIRM THAT. WE NEED TO PULL THE FILE AND GET ALL THOSE DETAILS.

BUT I HAVE SEEN THE FILE. IT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.

EVENTUALLY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO EITHER BE GATED OR BROUGHT UP TO FULL STANDARDS.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IS SOME APARTMENTS ON THE NORTH PROPERTY ADJACENT TO TIMES SQUARE.

SO PUSHING THEM AS FAR AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY AS POSSIBLE. AND THOSE WOULD BE 3 STORY BUILDINGS. SO THOSE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL APARTMENT STYLE BUILDINGS. SO THIS WAS THIS WAS SORT OF THEIR ORIGINAL PITCH TO THE BOARD, RIGHT AT ABOUT 30 ACRES.

YOU'RE ABOUT 300 UNITS. IT'S RIGHT AROUND 10 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE IF YOU DO A STRAIGHT MATH.

THAT CONVENIENTLY DOESN'T FALL NEATLY INTO ANY OF OUR ZONING CATEGORIES.

IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF 2. AND SO THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE WOULD WOULD END UP REQUESTING TO GO TO THE HIGHER ONE,

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THE BOARD REVIEWED THIS AND DID NOT DISMISS IT OUT OF HAND.

AND AFTER TALKING INTERNALLY AND TALKING WITH OUR ATTORNEYS, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS WE FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS WE DID IN 2002.

AND SO THE NEXT STEP WAS THE BOARD REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION ON THE LAND USE.

SO WHAT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO GET ESSENTIALLY IS A MODIFIED CONDITIONAL REZONING REQUEST. THE DEVELOPER IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO X WITH THESE CONDITIONS, RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I'LL EVER SAY THIS TO YOU.

SO TAKE THIS, TAKE THIS PIECE OF PIECE OF INFORMATION AND ENJOY IT.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THINGS IN THIS CASE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL EVER HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY ON A CONDITIONAL REZONING.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL REZONING. IT'S ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE SETTLEMENT. BUT THIS IS THE ONLY VEHICLE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT SOMETHING.

SO IT'S GOING TO COME TO YOU AS A REZONING REQUEST SO YOU CAN FOCUS ON THE LAND USE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS.

WHAT THE BOARD IS LOOKING FOR IS FOR YOU TO ANALYZE THE LAND USE PATTERNS EXISTING AND PROPOSED.

WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, HOW IT FITS IN, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

BECAUSE THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS, RIGHT THE MASTER PLAN HASN'T CHANGED.

WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S A LAWSUIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THE MASTER PLAN STILL SAYS COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT. YOU COULD YOU COULD PUT THE SHEETS OUT IN FRONT OF THE OUT IN FRONT OF CENTRAL PARK ESTATES. RIGHT NOW, I THINK BY RIGHT UNDER THE OLD CS ZONING AND THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT.

SO THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY TIMES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A WAY YOU THINK THIS MIGHT BE MORE PALATABLE, PLEASE MAKE THEM AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE BOARD.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS SITS UNDER THE 2002 MODIFICATION.

YES. TECHNICALLY THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT RELATED TO WALMART, BUT IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THIS CASE.

OKAY, SO ALL PARTIES HAVE STIPULATED THAT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT GOVERNS.

THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT GOVERNS. YES. OKAY. AND THE VEHICLE FOR CHANGE IS TO AMEND THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT PURSUANT TO WHATEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD AGREED TO. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN THE BOARD HAS TO DIRECT STAFF AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO THEN YAY OR NAY. GOT IT. THAT IS WEIRD. IT IS. YOU'LL NEVER SEE ANOTHER ONE THESE.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE NITTY GRITTY DIRT BEFOREHAND.

SO WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE A REQUEST ANY DAY. WHAT I WILL ALSO ADD IS THAT AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE BOARD THEN REITERATED WE HAD THE DEVELOPER DO AN OPEN HOUSE AT THE OKEMOS PUBLIC LIBRARY ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO. TO NOTE THERE'S NO FORMAL SUBMITTAL YET.

THIS IS STILL CONCEPT PLAN. NOTHING'S BEEN FULLY ENGINEERED.

IT WAS MET WITH A A A GREAT DEAL OF HEATED DISCUSSION.

THE APPLICANT IS ATTEMPTING TO TRY AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

RIGHT. OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS THAT NO ONE WAS GOING TO WANT 2 STORY, 3 STORY BUILDINGS HERE.

BUT WHAT WE HEARD ACTUALLY WAS. NO, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT YOU STAY AWAY FROM US. WE DON'T CARE HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS ARE. JUST STAY BACK.

RIGHT. AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT THERE FROM WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, SO THEY CAN GET ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND POTENTIALLY TAKE ONE OF THE BUILDINGS OUT. SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THINGS. THE OTHER PIECE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AT THE TIME. YES, SIR. YOU CAN FINISH AND THEN I CAN ASK.

OKAY. THE OTHER PIECE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AT THE TIME IS THE WETLAND DELINEATION WAS STILL ACTIVE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE WETLAND DELINEATION ON THE SITE WAS 20 YEARS OLD, HAD TO BE UPDATED. AND SO THAT CAME BACK WITH SOME INFORMATION THEY DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.

SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON CHANGES. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL YET.

IT IS COMING THOUGH, SO I WANT WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, SORT OF GET YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE LAND AND GET ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

AND SO WITH THAT. YOU SAID THEY THEY WOULD WANT TO GO HIGHER, LIKE 3 STORIES.

3 STORIES. YEAH. MAYBE THIS IS NOT IT'S KIND OF RELATED, BUT WHAT IS OUR LIMIT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT WITH BUILDINGS.

HOW MANY STORIES CAN WE GO? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THERE IS A THERE IS A MECHANISM IN THE CODE TO ALLOW THEM TO GO TO 3 STORIES.

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THERE'S ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO GO TO 3 STORIES.

AND SO INITIAL REVIEW FROM FROM OUR OFFICE THEY SHOULD BE FINE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS GOING ABOVE THAT.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR THE REAL QUESTION YOU CAN GET UP TO 5 STORIES IN CERTAIN AREAS, 6 STORIES IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED. THE TOWER ON GRAND RIVER IS, I THINK, THE ONLY BUILDING THAT'S.

NO, THERE'S THE TOWER AND THERE'S THE ONE UP IN TOWER GARDENS. BOTH ARE 6 STORY BUILDINGS.

OKAY. IS THAT CAN. ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE THEY STARTED OFF WITH 2, AND I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PROPOSAL YET, BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? NO. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? NO, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS 1 OF 2 THINGS, RIGHT? THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO NO MORE THAN 3 STORIES AND 33FT, OR WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT YOURSELVES TO NO MORE THAN 3 STORIES OR 33, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

RIGHT? OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT ABILITY HERE TO SAY YOU WILL NOT BUILD ABOVE THIS HEIGHT.

AND TECHNICALLY, THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN GET TO 12 STORIES IN OUR CODE, BUT IT'S YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

THERE IS A THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROVISION IN THERE TO GET TO 12 STORIES.

I HAVE NO CON. NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET IT.

IT WAS OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN FOR SOME IDEA THAT SOMEBODY HAD AT SOME POINT.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AND THE ZONING AND WHAT WHETHER THERE WAS OR IS A, A QUESTION, AN OPEN QUESTION OF ANY COMMERCIAL IN THIS PROJECT OR IF IT'S PURELY RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE PROPOSING A PURELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. I, YOU KNOW.

COMMERCIAL IS IN AN INTERESTING PLACE, RIGHT. THE FOCUS ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THE TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN HEAVILY FOCUSED ON THE GRAND RIVER CORRIDOR.

WE'RE SEEING VIRTUALLY NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT.

AND SO THIS, ALTHOUGH ALONG SORT OF A COMMERCIAL ARTERIAL, IF YOU WILL.

IT'S NOT A PRINCIPAL STREET, BUT IT'S AN ARTERIAL. YOU'RE ONLY SEEING RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY ON THE STREET NOW.

SO I QUESTION WHETHER OUR COMMERCIAL MARKET WOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL HERE.

UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT AS A REASON.

BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GIVEN THIS PROJECT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO FORCE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FAIL AGAIN AND PUT US INTO A WORSE LEGAL POSITION.

SURE. ON THE ISSUE OF STORIES, I RECALL IMAGES IN PRIOR PLANNING DOCUMENTS FOR PIKAS AND WHAT THE MERIDIAN MALL MIGHT ONE DAY LOOK LIKE.

AND I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE THREE AND FOUR STORY PROBABLY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.

YEAH. IS THAT KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS OR.

NO. THIS HAS BEEN ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON HOW THEIR FOCUS IS TRYING TO AMELIORATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THIS IS A PROPERTY.

WE THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT I THINK ANYONE IN THE PLANNING INDUSTRY WOULD TELL YOU WAS BUILT BACKWARDS, RIGHT? YOU BUILD THE MORE DENSE BEFORE YOU BUILD THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR THIS EXACT REASON.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOT 2 OF THESE THAT ARE BACKWARDS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH.

SO, NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF SORT OF MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL AT ALL.

I THINK THEY'RE THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP CERTAINLY.

AND THE OWNERS, I THINK ALSO ARE LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT BEING VIABLE AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. THAT ONE'S SETTLED. MAYBE JUST A COMMENT THAT FROM A WALKABILITY STANDPOINT, HAVING HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND WALKING DISTANCE OF MAJOR COMMERCIAL CENTER SEEMS LIKE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, ESPECIALLY IF INTERSECTIONS CAN BE SAFE. BUT HAVING WALKABILITY TO THE MALL CAN ONLY HELP THOSE PROPERTIES TO THRIVE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE MALL GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS KIND OF HOUSING.

SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PRICE POINT ARE GOING TO BE.

SO THEY'RE NOT AIMING FOR THE TOP OF THE MARKET, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT IT'S NOT AIMED TOWARDS 120% AMI KIND OF THEY'RE GOING TO BE JUST A BASIC MARKET RATE, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD UNIT, NEW UNIT OBVIOUSLY.

YEAH. THE OLD QUESTION COULD OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE AND OUR TEACHERS AFFORD TO LIVE THERE?

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WHEREAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE GRAND RESERVE, I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

YEAH. IT LOOKS IT LOOKS LIKE INFILL TO ME. IT LOOKS LIKE THE KIND OF INFILL WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO LIVE CLOSER TO OUR COMMERCIAL CENTERS AND NOT EXPAND AND SPRAWL OUT INTO THE BURBS. SO IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR DIRECTION AS A TOWNSHIP IN TERMS OF PLANNING OBJECTIVES. COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS.

I SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

TEACHERS, POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS. DO WE HAVE? I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.

DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF CONTROL IN TERMS OF PRICING IS CONCERNED REGARDING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS SOME LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF PROFESSIONS.

YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE WE DON'T. BUT THAT IS WHY THE TOOLS LIKE THE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TIF WERE CREATED. AND SO IN A PLACE LIKE HASLETT SQUARE WHERE WE'VE APPLIED THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME CONTROL, NOT NECESSARILY LONG TERM AND MEDIUM TERM, OVER KEEPING THAT AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE.

BUT FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK UNLESS THEY CAME FORWARD AND ASKED UNDER THAT, COME IN UNDER THAT BROWNFIELD POLICY.

AND THEN ABSOLUTELY WE SLIDE RIGHT IN UNDER THE POLICY AND THEY MEET ALL THE STANDARDS OF IT OR THEY DON'T GET THE REIMBURSEMENT.

THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THE OBVIOUS REASONS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SAY, OH YEAH, IT'LL BE AFFORDABLE AND THEN THEY CAN JACK IT UP.

ABSOLUTELY. NO, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH BEING IN A LOCATION WITH THIS GOOD OF SCHOOLS BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE HERE.

AND THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL DRIVER OF SUBURBAN GROWTH IS THE QUALITY OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO, COMMISSIONER ROMBACK. SORRY, DIRECTOR, I THINK I HEARD 2 THINGS.

AND MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. I HEARD WE CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT, BUT NOT IN THE ECONOMIC SENSE.

YEAH. SO I THINK THE ECONOMIC SENSE, THERE'S NO PRECEDENT REALLY FOR THAT, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE LAWSUIT PREVIOUSLY.

OKAY. SO I THINK THE CONDITIONS I'M REFERRING TO LIKE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THE LEGAL DISCUSSION NOW, BECAUSE OUR DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE LAND USE.

RIGHT. AND SO THE CONDITIONS I THINK, WOULD BE NEED TO BE RELATED TO SOME SORT OF LAND USE PROVISION THAT IF YOU DO GO TO A 3 STORY BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 200FT AWAY, OR WE WANT ALL THE PARKING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A BUILDING SO LIGHTS CAN'T SHINE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WETLAND MITIGATION IS AT A 5 TO 1 RATIO OR WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S A WETLAND IMPACT YET, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RELATE BACK TO THE TERMS OF THE LAWSUIT.

OKAY. SO RESTRICTION. SO FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON THE RESTRICTIONS OR.

WELL SO IT'S YEAH, BUT WE IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ONLY ON THE THINGS THERE BECAUSE.

RIGHT. IT'S 35 YEARS AGO. OUR ORDINANCE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT THEY COME FORWARD WITH, I MEAN, THE HEIGHT IS REALLY THE ONE THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME BECAUSE INEVITABLY THEY'RE GOING THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH 3 STORY BUILDINGS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S A MATTER OF WHERE. YEAH. AND SO HOW WE ADDRESS THAT AND SAY, OKAY, IT HAS TO BE THIS FAR AWAY OR YOU CAN'T BE HERE.

HOWEVER WE DEAL WITH THAT. THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THEY'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A RELATIVELY SAVVY GROUP OF DEVELOPERS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO COME IN WITH A PROPOSAL THAT HAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON IT ALREADY SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, PALATABLE TO DISCUSSION. AND WE CAN FOCUS ON SPECIFIC ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE ENTIRE PLATTER OF CONCERNS LAID OUT STILL.

YEAH, I JUST I JUST SHARE, COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL'S COMMENTS ON THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT, BECAUSE THAT, TO ME IS THE ZEITGEIST. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR AVERAGE HOME PRICE SALE IS IN, IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. BUT I GOT TO IMAGINE WE'RE WE'RE DAMN CLOSE TO PRICING DOCTORS OR I'M SORRY, FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS AND POLICE OFFICERS OUT.

I MEAN, FUNDAMENTALLY PRICED ME OUT. I MEAN, THERE'S A BROADER MACROECONOMIC PROBLEM HERE THAT STARTED IN THE MID 80S THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. I MEAN, AVERAGE SALE PRICE SOMEWHERE AROUND $400,000 AT THIS POINT.

I'M THINKING OF 2 1ST YEAR TEACHERS COULD AFFORD THAT.

AND NOT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. NO. AND IT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT EVERY COMMUNITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.

BUT MY THING IS I'M SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S JUST HOW ARE WE GOING TO BRING BETTER RESTAURANTS? BUT NOW I'M KIND OF ZEROED IN ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, I GET IT BECAUSE I JUST I THINK ABOUT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.

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IF THE WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? THE MISSING MIDDLE IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, RIGHT. AND OR IS IT SHORT TERM? IS IT? HEY, FOR 5 YEARS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CAP OR, YOU KNOW, I IT'S TO ME, IT'S AT LEAST WORTH THE DISCUSSION IF EVEN IF IMPRACTICAL.

AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BRING IT UP, THEY WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS BECAUSE THEY WOULD ARGUE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO HIT. IS THAT MISSING MIDDLE. IT'S JUST WHAT WHAT SOMEONE VIEWS IS THE. MIDDLE. THE COST OF THAT MIDDLE.

YES. RIGHT.

YEAH. BECAUSE EVEN WHEN WE DO, WHEN WE DO LIKE 120% AMI AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME FOR MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, THAT'S FAR HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT BECAUSE WE'RE AN AFFLUENT COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND SO OUR 120% AMI GETS YOU TO A RENT LEVEL.

THAT IS A BIT SURPRISING TO ME, BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS USED TO RIGHT, THE PLANNING THEORY IS YOU YOU WANT TO BE SOMETHING YOU IDENTIFY WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO RENT THERE FOR A FEW YEARS TO GET A FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY, SAVE UP YOUR MONEY, FIND A HOUSE TO BUY. PUT A DOWN PAYMENT DOWN AND LIVE THERE.

RIGHT. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, YOUR KIDS MOVE OUT AND YOU SELL IT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DOWNSIZE. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, BETWEEN THE 08 RECESSION AND AND COVID, THAT DOWNSIZED PIECE DIDN'T HAPPEN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND SO NOW WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WE'RE SHORT HOUSING UNITS.

WE'RE SHORT PROBABLY 1500 HOUSING UNITS AT THIS POINT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BUILD 1500 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS TOWNSHIP EVER AGAIN.

LIKE, I, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER OF COPPER CREEK.

RIGHT. NEXT PHASE OF COPPER CREEK IS COMING AT MAX BUILD OUT.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER 300 UNITS THERE. AND THAT'S THE LAST PIECE.

THAT'S IT. THERE IS NO OTHER VACANT LAND. BUT IN A WEIRD WAY, YOU'RE MAKING MY ARGUMENT FOR ME BECAUSE I'M SAYING YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO WE CAN'T DO CONDITIONS.

AND IN THIS ONE, WE CAN DO IT NOW. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE BOARD NEXT.

RIGHT. BUT TO ME, IT'S WORTH IT'S WORTH THE DISCUSSION, EVEN IF IT ENDS UP AS IMPRACTICAL BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER AGAIN GOING TO HAVE THAT THAT ABILITY WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE. I WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE CONVERSATION. AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL RUN IT THROUGH THE WASHER WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING. I WANTED TO DERAIL THAT DISCUSSION THAT I SPARKED.

AND LOOK AT NUMBER 3 ON THIS, ON THIS MAP THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE A DUMPSTER SITE.

IT IS. IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, WE ALREADY PROPOSED MOVING IT.

OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. NO, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE THEY PUT THEIR SHED IN ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE IDENTIFIED.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFIED. YEAH. IT WON'T BE THERE WHEN A FORMAL SUBMITTAL COMES IN, ALTHOUGH IT'S A COMPLETELY LEGAL LOCATION. BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION.

IT'S A CONVERSATION FOR AMENDING THE ORDINANCE. THIS CONDITION LIST COULD GET EXTENSIVE.

WE EXPECT IT TO, AT LEAST FROM A DISCUSSION PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER OR NOT THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE ATTORNEYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO WASH EVERYTHING BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE BOARD. MOST LIKELY SO.

THAT'S WHAT ATTORNEYS DO. YEP. COULD MULTIFAMILY RECYCLING BE A CONDITION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH WALMART WAS SUPPOSED TO BUILD A RECYCLING CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF THE 098 MAYBE AMENDMENT. AND THAT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

DURING COMMISSIONER SOILS, ETC.. BUT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE SORT OF.

WELL. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, SOMETHING YOU SAID MUCH EARLIER.

YOU SAID THE AVERAGE PRICE OF OUR HOMES IS 400,000.

YES, SIR. SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. IT WAS 340 ACCORDING TO ZILLOW.

I JUST LOOKED IT UP. YEAH. OKAY. WHEN I STARTED, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I CONSIDERED BUYING HAVING MAYBERRY HOUSE IN COPPER CREEK FOR ABOUT 265, 275. YEAH. YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE UNDER 4 AND A HALF NOW.

450 NOW. YEAH. YEAH. WE PUT AN OFFER ON A HOUSE AND, LIKE, 2 YEARS AGO, AND IT JUST WENT UP FOR SALE.

NO IMPROVEMENTS, NOTHING. 100 GRAND ABOVE. YEP.

AND I'M GOING LIKE. THAT'S 2 YEARS. THE MATH IS NOT MATHING.

NOPE. CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT? DIRECTOR SCHMITT.

MAYBE.

[00:40:04]

BUT THEN THERE'S STUFF SOUTH OF COLUMBUS AVENUE.

AND THEN THERE'S THAT'S LIKE SORT OF OUTLINED HERE.

SO THIS IS ALL PART OF THE THIS IS ALL THE LAST OF THE VACANT PIECES ESSENTIALLY THREE PIECES SOUTH, MIDDLE, NORTH, SOUTH WILL JUST HAVE A DETENTION POND ON IT.

THAT'S WHERE THE WATER WANTS TO GO. MIDDLE WILL BE THE BULK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

NORTH WILL BE THE MOST DENSE TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE THE MOST UNITS MOST LIKELY, BUT IT ALSO IS PRESERVING MUCH MORE OPEN SPACE.

BUT AGAIN, CONCEPT PLANS ONLY. PLEASE DO NOT HOLD THEM TO THIS.

YEAH. NO, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. YEAH. HAS CHANGED.

YEAH. I MEAN, AND THE THAI PLACE. YEAH. EVERYBODY I GUESS I HEAR, LIKE US, TALKING ABOUT HOW OUR CURRENT WE ARE IN A CURRENT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT LOTS OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING, BUT WE WON'T ALWAYS BE IN THIS SITUATION.

AND THIS IS A LARGE PLOT OF LAND, AND AT LEAST IN MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE, IT'S AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK I'M COMING UP ON 3 YEARS, I BELIEVE SO.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I FEEL LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS THERE, IT'S FAR LESS LIKELY FOR IT TO CHANGE.

YEAH. YOU MEAN IN THE FORMAL APPLICATION? WELL, LIKE, ONCE SOMETHING IS BUILT.

OH, YEAH. IT'S DONE. THAT'S IT. YEAH. THAT'S IT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE THINK IN 30, 40 YEAR CYCLES.

YEAH. RIGHT. WELL, CHICAGO IS JUST NOW THAT'S BEEN, WHAT, 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS.

AND IT'S JUST NOW GETTING TO THE POINT OF IT'S LIKELY TO BE TORN DOWN.

RIGHT. SO ENOUGH PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT A VIABLE RESTAURANT.

BUT WE'RE FINALLY THERE, RIGHT? MOST, MOST BIG RESTAURANT CHAINS HAVE THEIR SORT OF COMMERCIAL STANDARD, AND GETTING OUTSIDE THAT BOX IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM, RIGHT? WELL, AND SO MY COMMENT THOUGH IS LIKE IS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THE OR THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND I, I GET THAT WHERE THINGS ARE CURRENTLY.

BUT THEY WON'T ALWAYS BE THERE. AND THIS IS A PRIME LOCATION FOR BOTH FOR POTENTIAL PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OFFSHOOTS FROM GRAND RIVER. IT'S A PLACE TO DIVERT TRAFFIC OFF OF GRAND RIVER.

AND GRAND RIVER IS JUST I DON'T REALLY PARTICULARLY WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT ON GRAND RIVER, EVEN THOUGH THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.

I WOULD BE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT IT MAY BE FINANCIALLY MORE DIFFICULT AT THIS MOMENT. BUT IF WE THINK 30 YEARS OUT.

THIS IS GOING TO THIS WHOLE AREA IS GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND EVERYTHING'S INFLATION KEEPS GOING UP LIKE THINGS KEEP GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. SO I THINK PRICES DON'T GO DOWN. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SO.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AND YOU HAVE THIS SORT OF PRIME SPOT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT MIXED USE. BUT I'M I APPRECIATE THE INFILL NATURE OF THIS THOUGH.

AND. I'M GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, SO WE CAN AT LEAST GET ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGAL SIDE OF THINGS OUT OF THE WAY.

BECAUSE THAT AGAIN, I WON'T MENTION IT MUCH MORE THAN AS WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND SO YOU CAN START THINKING NOW ABOUT THE LAND USE PIECE OF THIS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE FOCUS.

AND SO ONCE WE GET A SUBMITTAL, WHICH AGAIN I EXPECT THIS WEEK WE WILL SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING IN OCTOBER AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION MEETING. THEN AFTER ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE WETLANDS THE GREEN SPACE.

CAN A CONDITION BE THAT TRAILS BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS COMMUNITY? ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING AMENITY IN AN AREA THAT OTHERWISE DOESN'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WEAVE THAT IN WITH THE WETLANDS IS A GOOD QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER YET. RIGHT. SORRY.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS MADISON AVENUE, WHICH IS APPARENTLY THE ONE OF THE 2 ENTRANCES TO THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.

[00:45:08]

I'LL ADMIT, I'VE NEVER BEEN PAST THOSE APARTMENTS ON MADISON AVENUE.

I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THERE. I'VE NEVER HAD OCCASION TO GO TO THEM.

IT COMES DOWN OFF TIHART, RIGHT? YEAH. AND OFF OF THIS IS 5TH AVENUE COMING OFF OF MARSH ROAD, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MEADOW LODGE. OH.

AND IT COMES DOWN THROUGH AND AROUND WALMART.

AND THE PROPOSED PLAN, THAT'S A PARKING LOT. SO THIS MADISON AVENUE DOESN'T EXIST AS A ROAD.

THERE ARE NO EASEMENTS FOR IT. IT APPEARS IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS INSTALLED AS A SECONDARY ACCESS WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ALL UNDER SINGLE OWNERSHIP AND THEN PIECES WERE SOLD OFF AND NOW IT'S A BIT OF AN ORPHAN.

SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A FULL TIME ACCESS OR A PART TIME ACCESS.

I CAN TELL YOU THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP DOESN'T WANT IT TO BE A FULL TIME ACCESS. RIGHT? AND NO APARTMENT COMPLEX DOES.

THEY NEVER WANT ANOTHER COMPLEX DRIVING THROUGH THEIR COMPLEX.

BUT IN ONE POINT, THEY ACTUALLY HAD IT BLOCKED OFF.

THEY HAD CONCRETE BARRIERS, SO YOU COULDN'T DRIVE IT.

BUT THE QUESTION WILL BE ON NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING 300 UNITS FOR THIS NEW LAYOUT.

WHAT'S THE HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY OF THE CURRENT LEVEL OF VACANCY FOR APARTMENTS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP? THERE IS NOT. AND TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD EVER GET INTO IS THE THE VACANCY YOU HAD, YOU HAD A 25% VACANCY RATE IN YOUR EXISTING HOUSING MARKET FOR APARTMENTS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXPECT THAT'S GOING TO CARRY OVER INTO THIS NEW ONE WITH HIGHER VALUES.

DIRECTOR SCHMITT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, STAFF DID CALL.

WE LOOKED INTO 1 BEDROOM, 1 BATH HOUSE APARTMENTS LOOKING FOR PRICES.

SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT THROUGH THAT WE GOT THE GENERAL SENSE OUR VACANCY RATE IN APARTMENTS IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 5%, MEANING 95% 90% TO 95%. I'LL SIT HERE RIGHT NOW AND SAY 90% TO 95% OF OUR APARTMENTS ARE OCCUPIED.

AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE A 25% VACANCY RATE.

I ANTICIPATE THAT WHAT'S THE CURRENT LEVEL OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AT MARSH AND HASLETT ROAD? THE SENIOR HOUSING, I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ON THAT.

I KNOW THAT SHE'S BEEN SHE'S BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE PIVOTING THEIR MARKETING STRATEGY.

WELL, AT $2,700 A MONTH, I THINK THEY WOULD. I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT NOW.

YES. YEAH. I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE ROAD.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING FOR A SECOND? I COULDN'T SEE A ROAD BETWEEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND.

IT'S THIS RIGHT. AND WALMART. OH, THERE ISN'T ONE.

THEY'VE TURNED THE ROAD INTO A PARKING LOT. SO THOSE.

SO THIS IS THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE IF IT'S NOT BLOCKED OFF, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE.

DO PEOPLE. YEAH. WE DRIVE THROUGH THERE NOW. YEAH.

YEAH. THERE'S A IT'S FUNNY THIS PROJECT ASIDE LIKE THIS STARTED COMING TO A HEAD LAST YEAR BECAUSE THERE WAS A CAR ACCIDENT ON THE STREET AND WE FOUND OUT IT'S NOT A STREET. AND THEN PEOPLE STARTED DIGGING INTO WHETHER IT WAS AN EASEMENT AND THERE'S REALLY NOT AN EASEMENT. SO NOW IT'S BECOME A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THING AS TO WHO'S LIKE. WHAT IS IT? JUST RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST AN ACCESS POINT.

ACCESS? YEAH. AND AND THE THE ISSUE BEING RIGHT.

WHY WOULD YOU BE ON AN ACCESS POINT FOR A PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BUILDING ON IT? SO GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS. MY QUESTION IS WITH THIS ROAD, IS THIS IS THIS ROAD? I GET IT, THIS IS OWNED BY EYED. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? THE CENTRAL PARK APARTMENTS. YES. YEAH. THAT GOES BEHIND WALMART.

YEAH. THAT IS A THIRD PARTY GROUP OWNS THAT. NOW THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WHERE THEY CAN CONNECT LIKE THIS, THIS ROAD HERE, AND THEN A PARKING LOT. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPER GROUP IS LOOKING INTO NOW AS TO HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT IS A HANGING, CHAD, IF YOU WILL, FROM.

THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT OF. 2004., RIGHT? IT'D BE TIMELY WITH MY REFERENCE SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OLD PROJECT.

BUT BUT IT IS. I MEAN, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S STILL HANGING OUT THERE FROM 20 YEARS AGO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED BY MY PREDECESSOR AND WAS NOT.

[00:50:05]

RIGHT. SO LIKE IF YOU THINK WE'RE A TARGET AND ALL THOSE STORES ARE TO THE SOUTH HERE.

YEAH. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. SO, LIKE, THE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE ARE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF KOHL'S SIDE OF KOHL'S SIDE OF KOHL'S.

AND THEN THE BACK OF TARGET. AND AND LIKE ALL THOSE AREAS IN THE MALL.

IF YOU GO 4 STORIES YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE ROOFS, RIGHT? OH. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT GROUP BUILDS THAT PRODUCT.

A 4 STORY PRODUCT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT POINTING THIS OUT TO THINK THROUGH LIKE THE VIEW NECESSARILY.

I JUST. I DON'T KNOW. SO THERE AT SOME POINT WILL BE A SUBMISSION.

AND THEN HOW MANY HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO RUN THROUGH US BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD? I MEAN, AT A MINIMUM YOU HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE.

YOU COULD SEE IT MORE, BUT AT A MINIMUM YOU HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AT A FUTURE MEETING.

I DO EXPECT THAT YOU WILL HAVE A FULL HOUSE FOR BEING COMPLETELY HONEST.

COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS. WHEN IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, YOU SAID WE COULD COME UP WITH OUR OWN LIKE DIFFERENT, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? NOT STIPULATIONS. CONDITIONS. CONDITIONS.

SO WHEN? WHEN CAN WE DO THAT? DO WE DO DO WE DO THAT DURING THE HEARING? LIKE WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? OBVIOUSLY I WOULD RECOMMEND WAITING UNTIL AFTER YOU SEE THE PLANS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEARING THE FEEDBACK.

AND THAT'S I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A 2 STEP PROCESS HERE, IS THAT YOU CAN TAKE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, GET THE FEEDBACK, GET A CHANCE TO MATRICULATE ON IT, THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK AT A DISCUSSION MEETING AND THEN TALK THROUGH, OKAY, TO TRY AND ADDRESS THIS CONCERN, TO TRY AND ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.

GOT IT RIGHT. AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE IF WE NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU DIRECT US TO TRY AND WORK OUT SOME LANGUAGE IF IT CAME TO THAT AND WE WOULD OR YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S OUR THOUGHTS, MOVE IT ALONG.

THAT IS ENTIRELY THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. IS THERE SOME WAY OR DO WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE THE LEGAL CONDITIONS THAT'S CURRENTLY STIPULATE. SO IT'S THE WAY IT STIPULATES RIGHT NOW IS IT'S SUBJECT TO THE RD ZONING AND THE CS ZONING, AND WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO CHANGE THOSE ZONING WITHOUT AMENDING THE JUDGMENT. THE WALMART PIECE HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THIS ONE, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PROPOSAL AT ANY POINT. IT WAS IT'S SUBJECT TO THE RD AND THE CS ZONING.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT FILE WITH ME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S THE CURRENT RD CS ZONING, CORRECT? THE CS DOESN'T EXIST, BUT. RIGHT. THAT'S THE COPY WE HAVE.

YEAH. THAT'S THE THING YOU HAVE IN YOUR.

SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THESE ARE THE REASONING BEHIND IT, AND THEN IT WAS PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND ACTUALLY THE BOARD DID THE PUBLIC HEARING PREVIOUSLY, BUT TRYING TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT.

WE BROUGHT THE PLAN. THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BUT, YEAH, IT WAS IT'S JUST SUBJECT TO THE R.D.

NOT TO EXCEED EIGHT UNITS TO THE ACRE. THERE'S NO SPECIAL THINGS HERE.

THEY JUST REPLACE THE PO WITH R.D.. SO THE TOTAL LAND LAND IS LIKE AROUND 30 ACRES, AND THIS IS 300 UNITS.

THIS IS JUST BALLPARK. BALLPARK, RIGHT. SO IT'S 1 ACRE PER LAND.

10 UNITS PER ACRE RIGHT NOW. OH, OR. OH, YEAH.

YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY. THAT'S REALLY BAD MATH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT'S THE HIGHEST DENSITY? I HAVE SO MANY, BUT I'M GOING TO STOP HERE IN A SECOND.

YEAH. WHAT'S THE HIGHEST DENSITY UNIT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? ROUGHLY. OH, THE HIGHEST DENSITY PROJECT? YEAH.

TOWER? PROBABLY. YEAH, I THINK SO. MAKES SENSE.

IT'S PROBABLY THE TOWER. I'D HAVE TO. I MEAN.

I ALSO MIGHT BE TWICKENHAM BECAUSE THAT'S A OVER ON HAGADORN.

BECAUSE THAT'S A SURPRISINGLY SMALL LOT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED RCC, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST DENSITY MULTIPLE FAMILY DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE.

[00:55:07]

I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OBSCURE, LIKE, 6 UNIT BUILDING ON A QUARTER OF AN ACRE ON HAMILTON OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S 50 UNITS TO THE ACRE OR SOMETHING. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE 3 THAT REALLY JUMP OUT AT ME.

THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE HIGHEST DENSITY ONES.

ARE THERE ANY? LIKE. OH, NEVER MIND. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

IT'S COMING BACK. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, OKAY. OKAY. SO MOVING ALONG HERE ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. THANK YOU. ITEM READ OTHER BUSINESS ITEM 9.B ARTICLE

[9.B. Article VIII — Off-Street Parking and Loading — Discussion]

YEAH. REALLY? NOT A LOT TO SAY. JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON OUR PARKING ORDINANCE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN OUR PARKING REGULATIONS SECTION.

PARKING PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN OUR PARKING LANDSCAPING SECTION. THOSE HAVE BOTH GOTTEN THROUGH THE BOARD NOW, LANDSCAPING. WILL BE ADOPTED ON. VERY CLOSE. IT WE'RE GOING TO I'M JUST WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE ALSO WORKED ON THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, THE REST OF THE ARTICLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIRLY LENGTHY TEXT AMENDMENT, BUT A LOT OF IT IS NUTS AND BOLTS STUFF.

WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU. NOT NEXT MEETING, BUT PROBABLY SOMETIME IN OCTOBER FOR INITIAL DISCUSSION.

AND WE'RE JUST MAKING YOU AWARE THAT WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THE REST OF THE PARKING ORDINANCE UPDATE.

ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY. IT'S NICE GETTING THE HEADS UP.

YEAH, SURE. SO IF YOU GO THROUGH, IF YOU IF YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY BORED AT HOME AND YOU GOT NOTHING TO DO, GO TO ARTICLE 8`, LOOK THROUGH AND SEE IF ANYTHING POPS OUT AT YOU.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE STAFF THE 3 OF US IN OUR IN OUR OFFICE ACTUALLY HAVE SAT DOWN AND PUT SOME WORK INTO THIS.

SO WE DO HAVE A MARKED UP DRAFT THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU.

I'M PUTTING THE CORRECT LANGUAGE IN IN THAT ORDINANCE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING OR THE PARKING REGULATIONS WHEN YOU SEE IT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU PLANNER SHORKEY.

ITEM 10. REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.

[10.A. Township Board update]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT. I KNOW CERTAINLY THERE WAS A FORMER RESIDENT WHO THOUGHT MY WORK ON THAT WAS VERY TRIVIAL AND MADE IT VERY CLEAR THE BOARD MEETING.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT A COUPLE OF THESE.

SO IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO SOME PEOPLE. 1 OF THE ROOSTERS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, PURSUANT TO ITS FORMER OWNER.

AND WE THINK THE OTHER ONE HAS, TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY COMPLAINTS ON IT RECENTLY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. IT WAS BECOMING AN ISSUE. AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND AS MENTIONED, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD WILL BE TAKING UP THE LANDSCAPING CHANGES FOR FINAL ADOPTION THROUGH MEETING NEXT WEEK.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM 10.B LIAISON REPORTS. THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CANCELED FOR LACK OF BUSINESS.

[10.B. Liaison reports]

IT'S ALWAYS A LOT OF FUN. SO YOU GOT NOTHING ELSE GOING ON ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

TUNE IN. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? WE'RE ALWAYS UNDERSELLING THINGS.

IT'S NOT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

TUNE IN TO YOUTUBE. YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, ITEM 11, PROJECT UPDATES.

I HAVE NO REPORT FOR YOU. THIS ALL RIGHT? ITEM 12.

ANY PUBLIC REMARKS? YES, PLEASE. DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD?

[12. PUBLIC REMARKS]

REAL QUICK, WOULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? OH, N AS IN NANCY? A, H, U, M AS IN MARY. SORRY, I SPELLED MY NAME WITH OTHER NAMES.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE,

[01:00:06]

I SEE I'VE BEEN TO ENOUGH OF THESE MEETINGS THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU KNOW, BEFORE THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE MAKING THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING UNITS HERE IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF OF THE NEEDS OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBABLY AN UPHILL BATTLE WITH LOCAL RESIDENTS.

AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT POSITIONS TO TAKE AS WELL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT RIGHT THERE BUT WOULD APPRECIATE ESPECIALLY UNITS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE.

THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM.

SORRY. ITEM 13. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. ANYBODY TODAY? ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. WELL, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROMBACK.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS. SORRY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025 IS NOW ADJOURNED AT 7:30 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.