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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
START WITH THE ROLL.IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC REMARKS ON ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTIME? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS CIRCULATED. SECOND.
OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED?
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OKAY. AGENDA IS APPROVED AS PRESENTED, AND THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR APRIL 14TH,[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
2025 MEETING. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. APRIL 14TH.COMMISSIONER CURTIS. SUPPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS SHARED. COMMUNICATIONS.
WE HAVE NONE. YOU HAVE NONE. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE NONE. WE HAVE ONE ITEM UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[8.A. SUP #25007 – Mister Car Wash Major SUP Amendment]
SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25007 FOR MR. CARWASH.MAJOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT. HERE WE GO.
I'LL ZOOM IN. THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT 25007 AT 4880 MARSH ROAD, MR. CAR WASH TO CONSTRUCT A DRIVE-THRU CAR WASH AT 4880 MARSH ROAD.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEW EMAILS FROM ANY RESIDENTS.
THE QUESTION OF THE PFAS DID GET A RESPONSE. THAT EMAIL IS IN YOUR PACKET.
BASED ON THE RESPONSE, THE COMMENTS OF THE PUBLIC AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION? COMMISSIONER O'CONNELL. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25007, A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A DRIVE-THRU CAR WASH AT 4880 MARSH ROAD.
SECOND. THANK YOU. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CURTIS. NOW, ANY REAL DISCUSSION? I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ON PFAS.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME THAT THE COMPANY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO INCLUDE SUCH MATERIALS IN THEIR OPERATION, BUT THAT THEY CAN'T PRECLUDE THEM BEING INTRODUCED SOMEHOW.
SO THEY CAN'T PROVIDE ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE.
PRESENT AT THE SITE, BUT I APPRECIATE THEIR FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF THE ISSUE.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE, COMMISSIONER.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS SUP THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE. THE PROJECT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR THE COMMUNITY, AND AS I WAS DRIVING AROUND THE PAST TWO WEEKS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT JUST LIKE WHAT I SEE IN THE TOWNSHIP VERSUS WHAT I SORT OF EXPECT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE OR THINK THAT MIGHT COME TO PASS, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS, I WASN'T HERE 30 YEARS AGO, BUT I IMAGINE THAT THIS WAS MORE RURAL AND THAT THINGS THAT WERE GETTING DEVELOPED IN THESE ON THE MARSH ROAD AND GRAND RIVER CORRIDOR COULD CONTAIN THINGS LIKE A GIANT MEIJER BIG BOX RETAIL STORE OR A GIANT STRIP MALL BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE OUTSKIRTS, AND THEN WE SORT OF PUSHED, AND THEN AS TIME WENT ON, THEN THINGS DEVELOPED UP AROUND THOSE THINGS, AND THEN IT STARTED, DEVELOPED OUT PAST THAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING, WHERE WE DEVELOP UP TOWARDS THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, AND SO 30 YEARS AGO, I THINK A CAR WASH IN THIS LOCATION MAKES SENSE AT THE SCALE THAT IT IS, AND GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT WOULD HAVE MADE SENSE TO THIS ECONOMIC WELFARE.
IT WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR THE COMMUNITY, BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT NOW, WE'RE NOT 30 YEARS AGO, WE'RE NOW IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS A MORE BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE NOT ONLY BIKES, BUT JUST MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE PLACES THAT ALLOW FOR THAT TO GROW, AND I SERIOUSLY HAVE JUST QUESTION THE ECONOMIC WELFARE OF THIS, THE SIZE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY GOING TO A CAR WASH ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
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I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN, BUT WHAT WOULD A CAR WASH DO TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE OF THIS AREA? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT.IT IS DETRIMENTAL OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ANSWER THAT OR SAY IF IT ISN'T GOING TO BE.
WE DIDN'T LIKE. I THINK WE HAVE MADE OTHER DECISIONS THAT I'VE REFLECTED ON TO RELATED TO THIS, AND I WAS LIKE, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS I JUST THINK ABOUT THE PROJECTS ON THESE TWO THOROUGHFARES AND HOW THIS USED TO BE FAR OUT, BUT NOW IT'S NOT. NOW IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, AND I JUST, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M GOING TO NOT SUPPORT IT. NOT BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T NEED CAR WASHES OR THAT THEY'RE BAD.
MAYBE NOT IMMEDIATELY, BUT IT WILL BE. ANYWAYS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS ON THAT, FEEL FREE.
IF YOU DON'T, IT'S UP TO YOU. THANKS FOR SHARING.
SO ANYTHING THAT PROVIDES EMPLOYMENT ON THAT PROPERTY TO ME IS AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
FAIRLY CLEARLY. NOW, WHETHER THAT'S A GREATER BENEFIT THAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE THERE, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO PONDER.
I HAVE A HOBBY. WHEN I'M ON MY BICYCLE OF PICKING UP METAL DEBRIS IN THE ROADWAY THAT COULD HURT MINE OR SOMEONE ELSE'S BICYCLE, AND I COLLECT 20 TO 30 POUNDS PER YEAR, AND OFTENTIMES THESE ARE BRAKE PADS THAT HAVE COME APART AND ARE LYING IN THE ROAD, AND WHEN I GO TO A SERVICE TO A REPAIR SHOP AND I ASK, DO PEOPLE OFTEN DRIVE INTO YOUR SHOP WITH BRAKE PADS COMPLETELY MISSING? THEY SAY, YEAH, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT SCARY.
I LIKE THAT IDEA. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? JUST SAY BRIEFLY, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, I APPRECIATE YOU REPRESENTING THAT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK IT IS ONE THAT I SHARE IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OF THE TOWNSHIP AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IN VARIOUS PLACES, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO TO HELP PROMOTE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AT THE SAME TIME, I SUPPORT HAVING PRODUCTIVE USE OF PROPERTY ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN UNUSED AFTER THE RESTAURANT CLOSED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THOSE WHO OWNED IT TRIED TO MARKET IT IN SORT OF THE USE THAT IT WAS BEFORE BECAUSE IT AND THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, AND SO I SHARE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL THOUGHTS ON HAVING A THRIVING BUSINESS THAT WITH AN OWNER AND A BUSINESS THERE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN IT AND EMPLOY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND , AND SO THAT'S WHY I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, AND I THINK THAT I HOPE WE CAN DO BOTH, AND BECAUSE I DO AGREE NOT WITH THIS PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN ENTITY THAT'S PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO BOTH THE SITING OF THEIR BUSINESS AND THE WORK THAT THEY PLAN TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY THAT.
JUST SORT OF MY REASON WHY I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT.
THE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD AND LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN OUR MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
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GOING FORWARD, AND I THINK THERE'S WORK TO DO THERE, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER ENTITIES IN THE TOWNSHIP TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WE'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING TO ASSIST THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE CONCERNS YOU RAISED BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE VERY LEGITIMATE. ANYBODY ELSE? VERY FEW WORDS. WHILE I AGREE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT ABOUT THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND THAT SORT OF THING GOING IN AND LOOKING INTO OUR FUTURE, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE MARKET AND TO ALSO ALLOW THE MARKET TO I DON'T WANT TO SAY DICTATE, BUT TO SORT OF SHOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.BECAUSE CLEARLY A RESTAURANT FOR THAT LOCATION WAS NOT WORKING QUITE A POPULAR RESTAURANT TOO AT THE TIME, CHAIN, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT MARKET IS GOING TO WHAT DIRECTION IT'S GOING IN, AND YES, WE CAN PLAY A ROLE IN THAT, BUT WE ALSO CAN'T ELIMINATE FREE MARKET AS WELL, COMPLETELY.
SO I THINK BECAUSE AND ALSO GIVEN, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE WHAT IS THE TASK AT HAND, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS THE ZONING, MEETS THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING TOO.
WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.
THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS. I HAVE ONE MORE.
OH, PLEASE GO AHEAD. SO I TOTALLY GET THE WANTING TO HAVE MARKET FORCES GO AND I GET WANTING TO HAVE PEOPLE EMPLOYED AND PLACES FOR EMPLOYMENT. I THINK THE SCALE OF THE EMPLOYMENT AT THIS LOCATION IS RELATIVELY LOW, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT IT TAKES UP.
IT'S NOT THAT LARGE OF A ECONOMIC FOOTPRINT FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE.
SO HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE LEAVING THE COMMUNITY AND THEN ALSO FLOWING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY? GIVEN THAT CALCULATION. SO THE WATER RESOURCES WILL BE USED.
MAYBE WE'LL GET MONEY BACK FOR THAT, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT 'S RELATIVELY MINUSCULE.
THERE WILL BE A TAX BASE FOR IT FROM A PROPERTY PERSPECTIVE.
ONCE THIS IS A. CAR WASH, DOES IT GET CONVERTED BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS, BUT IF WE CAN'T RENOVATE A RESTAURANT INTO SOMETHING ELSE, I CAN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO DO A CAR WASH, AND THERE'S OTHER CAR WASHES.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT AROUND THE BLOCK. SO MY OPINION ON THE MARKET FORCES IS THAT. IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. IT MAKES SENSE TO WANT TO HAVE A CAR WASH HERE, AND . THERE'S A LOT OF SUBSCRIPTION REVENUE THAT COULD BE COMING FROM A CAR WASH LIKE THAT, IN WHICH YOU ARE MAKING BRINGING IN DOLLARS. SOME PEOPLE ARE USING IT.
MOST OF THEM PROBABLY AREN'T, AND THEN IT CREATES.
SO THEN THAT'S WHY I FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMIC WELFARE.
DOES THIS CREATE A DETRIMENT IN THIS SPACE? AND I THINK IT DOES.
IF THERE ARE NO HEALTH . JUST ONE THING. SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IN MY WORK ON THIS COMMISSION IS YOU KNOW, HAVING THE DESIRE TO SEE CERTAIN BUSINESSES COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY THAT JUST AREN'T COMING, FRANKLY, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ALWAYS CALLED BACK TO, THOUGH, IS THE WAY I VIEW MY PURPOSE. ON THIS BOARD IS TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE TASK AT HAND WITH THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING DICTATE OVER MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS HOW I INTERPRET MY ROLE.
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I WOULD AGREE THAT I WOULD ENJOY SEEING A RESTAURANT.NO OFFENSE, BUT . I THINK IT IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE THING AS I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL WAS ALSO ALLUDING TO. IT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE THING TO TRY TO PROJECT AND FORECAST HOW DETRIMENTAL ANY BUSINESS COULD BE TO THE ECONOMIC WELFARE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS VACANT AND IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.
SO I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE OF HOW DO WE GET, HOW DO WE BUILD THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE MORE THINGS THAT WE AREN'T SEEING? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE PROPERTY BE PUT TO USE, BE IMPROVED UPON, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
SO I THINK AS FAR AS A CAR WASH GOES, I THINK THIS IS ABOUT THE BEST YOU COULD PROBABLY DO, WHICH IS BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT, BUT I JUST I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HARKEN BACK TO WHAT I SEE AS MY PURPOSE, THE OBJECTIVITY OF IT, LOOKING AT WHAT WE ARE TASKED WITH IN THE PACKET, CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ONE THROUGH WHATEVER, EIGHT, SORRY, AND I TRY TO NOT GET TOO HUNG UP IN THE THINGS THAT CAN GET REALLY SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE IT BECOMES ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY YES TO ANYTHING. SO. THANK YOU.
WHO ELSE? OKAY, I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE TABLE TO SUPPORT OR TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25007 FOR MR. CARWASH.
SO THE MOTION DOES CARRY. RESOLUTION PASSES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR GOOD DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT.
NEXT STEP OBVIOUSLY. SO YOUR NEXT STEP THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO LET KEITH KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, AND NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS NINE OTHER BUSINESS OFF STREET PARKING SECTION
[9.A. Off-Street Parking – Sec. 86-758 – Landscaping discussion]
86-758 LANDSCAPING DISCUSSION. THIS IS VERY QUICK.I'M JUST INTRODUCING THIS BEFORE I DO. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SENT ME SOMETHING.
ASKED ME TO PASS OUT. PASS OUT SOMETHING. I'LL EXPLAIN IN A MINUTE. I'M JUST GOING TO GET THIS OUT. THIS WORKS. THANK YOU.
JUST JUST TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC. THIS IS ABOUT PARKING, LANDSCAPING.
AS WE CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH THE PARKING ORDINANCE ITSELF, WE JUST GOT FINISHED UPDATING THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF REQUIRED SPACES. ASKING WHAT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT NEXT.
THE INDICATION WAS THE LANDSCAPING. SO STAFF HAS ATTACHED THE CURRENT SECTION 86-758 LANDSCAPING FROM THE OFF STREET PARKING ORDINANCE, ASKING THAT YOU LOOK THROUGH IT AND START THINKING ABOUT IT, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT STUFF AS WE START TO RESEARCH.
WHAT HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES DONE WITH THEIR LANDSCAPING? JUST AT A VERY CURSORY LOOK AT IT TWO LOCAL COMMUNITIES HAVE TWO PAGES WORTH OF PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, AND THEN I'LL OUT THEM THE CITY OF NOVI, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NEARBY.
THEIRS IS OVER 30 PAGES LONG. SO IT RUNS THE GAMUT OF THINGS.
NOW, AS YOU CONSIDER WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED, IF ANYTHING, IN OUR PARKING LANDSCAPING SECTION, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL ASKS THAT YOU I HAND OUT M
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AYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS BETTER, BUT THIS IS CALLED THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE CODE AND ORDINANCE MANUAL, AND IT'S A GUIDANCE DOCUMENT THAT CAME OUT A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUGGESTED LANGUAGE ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS, DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AS IT PERTAINS TO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.ONE OF THOSE IS PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. SO THIS IS BEING PROVIDED AS A RESOURCE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT TO GET YOU THINKING ABOUT, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO SEE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INCORPORATED INTO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, IS THIS IS SOME POTENTIAL LANGUAGE THAT COULD MAKE THAT WORK.
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SENT IT TO ME. IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT, THAT'S COOL. IF YOU WANT THIS THESE PAGES DIGITALLY, I'M HAPPY TO SEND THAT TO YOU.
THE DOCUMENT ITSELF IS PRETTY BIG. YEAH. SO THE SECTION ON PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING STANDARDS STARTS ON THE BOTTOM THIRD OF PAGE 36, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF RELATED TOPICS BEFORE AND AFTER THAT.
THIS ONE IS IS PRETTY SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH BENEFICIAL LANDSCAPING INTO PARKING LOTS AS YOU THINK YOU NEED AND CRAFTING LANGUAGE TO DO THAT.
WE WERE HELPED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, WAS HELPED IN REVIEWING SOME OF THIS MATERIAL BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS COORDINATOR AT TRI-COUNTY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO IS NOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS COORDINATOR AT THE CITY OF EAST LANSING AND IS A BIG PROPONENT OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ISN'T REALLY A PLACE OF STUDYING ORDINANCE CHANGES.
SO THIS IS JUST AN EXTRA LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION FROM WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THIS. I'M JUST INTRODUCING THE TOPIC.
IF YOU HAVE ANY GENERAL THOUGHTS, I CAN START TAKING THOSE.
OTHERWISE, I'LL COME BACK WITH MAYBE SOME MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
MR. SHORKEY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO OR DOES THE I'M BLANKING ON THE DRAINAGE COMMISSION, THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER. DO THEY HAVE ANY, LIKE, ORDINANCES THAT WOULD LAY OVER TOP OF OURS FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE? MAYBE THAT'S A TAKEAWAY QUESTION, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE DRAIN COMMISSION'S.
OKAY, SO I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
GENERALLY, THEY WILL SAY TO A DEVELOPER HERE IS THE STANDARD YOU MUST MEET.
TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE STANDARD.
IF WE SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT WITH A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TECHNIQUE, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT WITH A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TECHNIQUE. IF NOT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S COST EFFECTIVE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THEY ARE ENCOURAGING. IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE DRAIN COMMISSION'S OFFICE HAS MADE A BIG PUSH TOWARD GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
I DON'T KNOW. I COULD LOOK INTO THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE MANDATING THAT, BUT THEY HAVE PUSHED THAT DIRECTION QUITE HEAVILY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'VE NEVER REALLY THOUGHT HARD ABOUT THE SPECIFIC AUTHORITY UNDER WHICH THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER OPERATES. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE CHARTERED. THEY HAVE AUTHORITY BY THE STATE OF MICHIGAN TO MANAGE RESOURCES, AND THEY HAVE CLEAR GOALS OF REDUCING POLLUTANT LOADS AND REDUCING STORM SURGES, BUT I DON'T, SINCE THEY COVER A RANGE OF MUNICIPALITIES.
MY SENSE IS THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC ORDINANCES OR RULES THAT THEY TRY TO IMPOSE, BECAUSE THEY'D ALWAYS BE CONFLICTING WITH WHATEVER OTHER AUTHORITY LIKE US, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. MY SENSE IS THAT THEY HAVE THESE VERY BROAD GOALS.
LIKE, FIRST OF ALL, WHATEVER YOU DO TO A SITE, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER COMING OFF OF IT, PREFERABLY TO ZERO. IN SOME CASES THAT'S POSSIBLE CAPTURE AS MUCH OF THE STORM SURGE AND FILTER IT AS POSSIBLE.
REMOVE AS MUCH SEDIMENT LOAD AS YOU CAN BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED, BUT YEAH, IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE IN PRACTICE, THEY SAY, PROVE TO US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS,
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AND WE'LL BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF WE THINK YOU HAVE A SOLID PLAN OR THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE, NECESSARILY. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN LANSING, THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS AROUND LIKE PERMEABLE PARKING SURFACES, AND THAT SEEMED TO BE A DIRECTION THEY WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE, SORT OF THE WASTELAND OF ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE LEAKING POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FLUIDS AND THEY'RE LEAKING STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND, AS OPPOSED TO IN SOME PLACE THAT IS INTENDED TO CAPTURE AND DIRECT AND FILTER OR CLEAN THAT RUNOFF.YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE TRADEOFFS, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT HAD WHAT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE, AND IF THAT GETS INTO WHAT OUR ORDINANCE WOULD SAY, OR IF THAT GETS MORE INTO SITE PLAN AND STORMWATER AND THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS. WELL, THAT'S HOW THIS TIES TOGETHER IS THE SITE PLAN.
SO WHEN WE GET A SITE PLAN, WE SAY, WELL, IS THERE PARKING, LANDSCAPING? OKAY. THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TURNING TO LOOK AT.
THAT IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT CAN GO IN AN ORDINANCE TO SAY ON THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO USE THIS PERCENTAGE OF PERMEABLE PAVEMENT.
I HAVE I N MY TIME IN KENTUCKY, WE USE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT QUITE EXTENSIVELY.
WE HAD A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE STORMWATER ORDINANCE WHERE I WORKED.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I'VE HEARD IT ARGUED AGAINST SINCE COMING BACK TO MICHIGAN QUITE FREQUENTLY.
IN PLANNING CIRCLES, IT'S IT HAS TO BE VACUUMED.
WELL, IT DOES WHEREVER YOU PUT IT, IT WILL CLOG, THE PORES WILL CLOG, AND WE USE A LOT MORE SALT IN MICHIGAN, AND IT CLOGS THE PORES AND YO U HAVE TO CLEAN IT MORE FREQUENTLY SO IT GETS ARGUED AGAINST AS A SPECIFIC TECHNIQUE.
I'M NOT SAYING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I THINK PERSONALLY I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO GO FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND NOT SPECIFY A PARTICULAR TYPE JUST BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BIND US TO SOMETHING THAT THEN PROVES TO BE EITHER NOT COST EFFECTIVE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVELOP AND OR THAT ISN'T THAT TURNS OUT TO BE NOT AS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS.
SURE. YOU KNOW, RATHER RATHER THAN PRESCRIBE THE WHAT IT WOULD BE PRESCRIBED, THE VISION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE WAYS TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MORE THINGS LIKE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE ONE.
I KNOW, BUT IF OUR GOAL IS TO LOOK AT ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT? AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE POINT OF THE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE IS AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICS, BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LET YOU DO. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, THOUGH.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. ANY MORE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE KIND OF LOOKING AT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE SPECIFIC THAT YOU'D LIKE STAFF TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON OR HELP US UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I HAD TWO REASONS FOR ASKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE COMMISSION. ONE WAS THAT IF SO, IF WE HAVE ORDINANCES SET UP AND THEN DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY ARE HERE AND THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEN WHATEVER ORDINANCES WE HAVE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT SPEC WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER'S REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN MY MIND, THE GOAL AND REVISIONS WOULD BE A COUPLE FOLD.
ONE IS TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE ON WHOEVER IS DOING ALL THIS WORK.
SO THAT BOTH FROM A TIME PERSPECTIVE AND RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE, SO YOU CAN DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT BOTH MEETS OUR DEMANDS OR NOT, OUR DEMANDS, OUR ORDINANCES AND THE DRAIN COMMISSION'S OFFICE IN SOME ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABLE WAY, AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT, OR THIS MADE ME THINK ABOUT, WAS I REMEMBER HITTING A POTHOLE ALONG OKEMOS ROAD, ENTERING THE, THE MIRE AREA, AND SOMEBODY I THINK SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT IT WAS THAT WAS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE DRAIN COMMISSION OFFICE.
THAT IS POSSIBLE. THEY PURCHASED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
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THESE DRAINAGE AREAS TO OUR CODE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS THOUGH AT SOME LEVEL BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TO FOLLOW.THAT'S NOT A SLAM. I'M JUST SAYING. NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
OKAY. SO THEN, BUT ON THE. THIS WAS ON THE ROAD.
THE ENTRANCE ROAD. RIGHT. LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR LIKE IF THERE'S A POTHOLE AND IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S A. YEAH. SHOOT ME AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT AND I'LL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.
WELL IT GOT FIXED. OKAY. OH, OKAY. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE SYSTEM WORKED.
YES IT DID. NO. MY POINT THOUGH IS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE COMPETING. THERE'S LIKE TWO DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES IN THOSE PLACES.
OKAY, DON'T MAKE THIS UP. DON'T MAKE THIS MORE THAN IT IS.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE PERIMETERS, ADJACENT LAND USES AND LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THIS IS NOT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS TO USE ALL OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. SURE. OKAY. THAT IS A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE THAT POINT. TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SPECIFIES LANDSCAPE AREAS SHALL BE PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE PARKING AREA IN THE AMOUNT OF 200FT² FOR EACH TEN PARKING SPACES. SO 20FT² PER PARKING SPACE. THIS MANUAL SUGGESTS 25FT² PER PARKING SPACE.
THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THAT'S JUST UPPING THE GAME A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR SITE PLAN, SEE IF YOU CAN SQUEEZE 25FT² FOR EVERY TEN.
THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE, I THINK, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY THINK THEY NEED TO BUILD, BECAUSE EACH ONE COSTS SOME DOLLARS, AND ALL THESE LANDSCAPED AREAS ARE GOING TO COST $10 , TOO.
NOT JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO MAINTENANCE.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE TWEAKS LIKE THAT WE COULD MAKE.
WE'VE LOWERED THE MINIMUMS AND TRIED TO RATIONALIZE THEM IN SOME CASES TO REDUCE ASPHALT.
INCREASING THE GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE HARDSCAPE IS IS A SECOND APPROACH, AND I JUST READING THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY JUST NOW, I'M LOOKING AT IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT YOU SHARED NUMBER FOR SNOW STORAGE.
I'M UNCLEAR ON WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. INTERIOR LANDSCAPE.
OH, LESS THAN 20FT IN EACH DIMENSION. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I WAS I WAS SEEING IT AS.
NOT THAT THE LESS THAN 20FT IN EACH DIMENSION WAS DESCRIBING THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU HAVE LESS THAN 20FT SHALL NOT BE USED.
SO I GOT IT NOW. RIGHT. THIS ONE'S MISSING A MISSING A DEFINING WORD.
OKAY, COOL, AND I USED TO THINK OF MERIDIAN MALL AS A BARREN WASTELAND.
THEY TEND TO BE SURROUNDED BY ROCKS, WHICH IS LOWER MAINTENANCE, SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BE MOWED, BUT THE THAT OUR BIGGEST PARKING LOT THAT WE'VE GOT HAS GOT AT LEAST ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WHEREAS A LOT LIKE MEIJER IT'S GOT CART STALLS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU COULD BUILD THE MYER PARKING LOT UNDER THIS ORDINANCE TODAY.
ALL THE DRAIN COMMISSION WOULD SALIVATE IF MEIJER TRIED TO GO IN THERE TODAY.
SO IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING. IT WOULD FIX SO MANY ISSUES.
IF STAFF HAS THE TIME TO LOOK FOR BITS THAT ARE IN HERE OR IN OTHER PLACES THAT ARE PARTICULAR POINTS WHERE WE COULD SAY, OKAY, MOVE THAT FROM 20 TO 25, OR THIS FROM 15 TO 30 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
JUST PUT SOME REFERENCES IN THERE TO LIKE YOUR, LIKE THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE MANUAL.
I'LL MAKE THAT. I'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT MORE FORMALLY.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS QUESTIONS DIRECTIONS.
MR. SHORKEY , AS HE AND STAFF WORK ON THIS, IS IT WORTH ASKING THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE FOR INPUT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED? OR IS THAT THIS IS PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, NOT INFRASTRUCTURE.
DID THEY INDICATE? I DON'T MIND BOUNCING IT OFF OUR ENGINEERING STAFF, YOU KNOW, BUT HONESTLY,
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EVEN MY PERMEABLE QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT PARKING LOT SURFACE, NOT PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING.IT WAS DO THEY HAVE. I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. I WAS THINKING, DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF.
DO THEY? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT HE ASKED? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES LIKE WE DO IN THEIR ORDINANCE.
THEY HAVE OBJECTIVES. REDUCE OR ELIMINATE RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.
REDUCE SEDIMENT OR OTHER POLLUTANT LOADS IN ANY WATER THAT DOES LEAVE THE SITE.
HOW AN APPLICANT CHOOSES TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. THEY'RE NOT NEARLY AS PRESCRIPTIVE AS WE ARE IN OUR ORDINANCE, AND IF THEY TRIED TO BE, IT WOULD BE SUPER COMPLICATED BECAUSE THEY'D BE TRYING TO DUPLICATE EVERY OTHER MUNICIPAL, EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE COUNTY. SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE WORKABLE FOR THEM, AND GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY THEY'RE GRANTED, THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY SAY NO TO A PROJECT, AND YES, THEY CAN, YES THEY CAN IF THEY'RE BEING UNREASONABLE, BUT WE HAD AN APPLICATION A WHILE BACK FOR A PLUMBING AND HEATING COMPANY UP ON SAGINAW THAT WANTED TO EXPAND WHAT THE DRAIN COMMISSION WANTED THEM TO DO, THEY FELT WAS PROHIBITIVE, AND THEY ABANDONED THEIR PLANS OF EXPANSION.
ONE THING WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT MAY BE SORT OF WHERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OR THE DRAIN DRAIN COMMISSIONER MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS WHERE WE'RE NOT DISCOURAGING THINGS THAT THEY WOULD PROMOTE LIKE THAT IF WE HAD OUR ORDINANCE SAID YOU COULDN'T PUT A RAIN GARDEN IN AS ONE OF THESE MEDIANS, AND A RAIN GARDEN IS A WAY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE RUNOFF CLEANING, BUT BUT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY THERE, OR DISCORDANCE WHERE IT WOULDN'T WORK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN MANY SITES ANYWAY, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THAT NOTHING WE'RE PUTTING.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN BATH TOWNSHIP. THEY TOOK A COUPLE YEARS TO GET GOING, AND THE PLANNER AT THE TIME HAD TO CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, GET TAKE CARE OF YOUR RAIN GARDENS, BUT ONCE THEY TOOK OFF, THEY'RE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
LAST I SAW, ANYWAY, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T FILL UP WITH GARBAGE, THEY'RE A REALLY NEAT IDEA.
WELL, YEAH, THEY TAKE MAINTENANCE, BUT I'M NOT ADVOCATING.
YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I WANTED TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE. CONCEPTUALLY, I LOVE THEM, AND IF THEY WORK REALISTICALLY, I WOULD HATE FOR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE WORKING TO KEEP THE ENVIRONMENT CLEANER AND KEEP THE GROUNDWATER CLEANER.
SURE, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO INCENTIVIZE IT IF WE THINK IT'S HELPFUL.
SO JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. WOULD THAT COUNT AS AN EFFECTIVE LANDSCAPING MEDIAN IN A IN A PARKING SPACE? AND IF IT DOESN'T UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THERE? AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT? ANY OTHER.
ONE RELATED TOPIC SCHEDULE WISE YOUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THIS SUBJECT IS THE AGENDA. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING.
SECOND MAY MEETING BECAUSE IT CONFLICTED WITH MEMORIAL DAY.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE MAY OFF IS DO YOU WANT ME TO COME COME BACK WITH THIS? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE AT OUR NEXT MEETING, SO THAT MAY BE IMPORTANT IF ANYBODY ELSE IS ALSO NOT HERE.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM AND OR FOR DECIDING WHAT TO DO.
THAT'S MAY 12TH. MAY 12TH. I WILL ALSO BE ABSENT THAT DAY, OR AT LEAST SEVERELY JET LAGGED.
IF EVERYONE ELSE WERE HERE, WE'D STILL HAVE A QUORUM, BUT I THINK ABOUT IT.
I'LL EMAIL YOU CHAIR SHREWSBURY AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND THEN AGAIN, IF THE OTHER DIRECTION, BECAUSE I'M NOT ADVOCATING. HEY, LET'S I'M A PLANNER.
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IN THE MASTER PLAN, THIS UPDATE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LEGIT, TOO.ALL RIGHT. IF ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION KNOWS THAT YOU WILL NOT BE HERE, OR DISCOVERS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT YOU WILL NOT BE HERE ON MAY 12TH, PLEASE LET ME AND MR. SHORKEY KNOW THAT ASAP, AND THEN LET'S LET'S TALK, BUT I WOULD BE VERY OKAY WITH PEOPLE HAVING DISCUSSION WITHOUT ME, AND THEN I WILL WATCH THE VIDEO AFTERWARDS OR CHECK IN WITH WHOMEVER WANT TO SLOW DOWN PROGRESS OF KEEPING THIS MOVING IF NEEDED, OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT FAIR WARNING, COMMISSIONER SNYDER YOU'D BE CHAIRING THAT MEETING.
SURE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO SHIRK RESPONSIBILITIES.
YOU SAID THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS. THERE'S NO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING.
THE APPLICATION DEADLINE CAME AND WENT A WHILE AGO.
IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO FINALLY SEIZE POWER. YES.
THE THINGS YOU CAN DO. SEIZE THE RULERSHIP I'VE BEEN WANTING SO BADLY.
[CHUCKLING] WATCH YOUR EMAILS FOR THAT. I GUESS UNLESS WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW NOT TO HAVE A MEETING, BUT IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. SOUNDS GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE MOVE TO NUMBER TEN? NO. OKAY. TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE. THE LAST MEETING, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD TOOK ACTION ON
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OKEMOS LAND INVESTMENTS. THE SUP OUT ON HAGEDORN ROAD.WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR SITE PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED FOR THAT.
THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ON THE SENIOR CENTER.
THE ALCOHOL AND GATHERING PERMITS WERE APPROVED FOR MERIDIAN'S THIRD ANNUAL PRIDE DAY AS WELL.
TOMORROW THE BOARD IS HAVING A JOINT MEETING.
JOINT MEETING WITH SCHOOLS. NO DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE.
JUST DISCUSSING A BUNCH OF STUFF, INCLUDING RED CEDAR RIVER CLEANUP.
THE MSU LAKE LANSING TRAIL AND DISCUSSION, ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOUSING TIF, THE HOUSING TIF DISTRICT, BUT LIKE I SAID, JOINT MEETING WITH WITH THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS AND ALL OF THOSE TOPICS WERE SUBSETS OF AMONG OTHERS, THOSE WERE THE THOSE WERE THE ONES I THOUGHT WERE WORTH THAT WERE RELEVANT.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY. GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSING TIFF? THE WHAT? THE LOCATION. YEAH. NOBODY. WELL. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC BECAUSE THERE'S NO SPECIFICS TO TALK ABOUT. HOWEVER, THE H OUSING TIF WOULD GO THROUGH THE BROWNFIELD AUTHORITY AND THE ENTIRE TOWNSHIP IS VALID. LIKE, IF THERE'S A BROWNFIELD ANYWHERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, YOU CAN CREATE A BROWNFIELD DISTRICT.
OKAY. NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO LAND.
SURE, BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M THE ONE ON THE BROWNFIELD.
AM I ON THE BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY? I AM ON THE BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT. YES YOU ARE.
IN PRINCIPLE, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD THAT WE HAVE AN.
OKAY. LIAISON REPORTS CAN BE LIAISON REPORTS.
NOTHING ON THE BROWNFIELD DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY I'VE HEARD.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PROJECT UPDATES. THERE WAS A LIST IN OUR PACKET.
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ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR ANY ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR US? A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. BOY THREE YEARS AGO YOU DID A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON HEWLETT ROAD, HEWLETT ROAD ESTATES. THE METLIFE FARM. NO, THE FARM ACROSS FROM OKEMOS HIGH SCHOOL.IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME.
WOW. THAT HAS COME OFF THIS LIST, AND YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE THAT RESUBMITTED THAT PUD EXPIRED.
SO. OKAY. TALKING TO THE APPLICANT, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT AGAIN NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
NOT NOT ON MAY 12TH THOUGH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MAY MEETING.
SO IT'D BE JUNE. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. INTERESTING.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC REMARKS.
OKAY. I MOVE TO ADJOURN. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS? YOU COULD DO THAT IF THERE'S A SECOND. OTHERWISE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, BUT I'LL SECOND IT.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:20.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.