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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER ]
06:31. START WITH A ROLL CALL.COMMISSIONER CALL]. OKAY. WE WERE AT THE POINT OF PUBLIC REMARKS.
WE HAVE NO PUBLIC TO GIVE REMARKS, SO I WILL SKIP TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.THANK YOU. SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS.
ALL IN FAVOR OR ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NOW, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY 27TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. OH.[INAUDIBLE] . NO WORRIES. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU.
MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. THOUGHT. OH, YES, THERE IS. ON PAGE TWO, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE COMMISSIONER MCCONELL'S NAME IS SPELLED WITH JUST ONE N INSTEAD OF TWO IN HIS LAST NAME.
THAT JUST NEED TO BE CORRECTED. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE.
JUST. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. WOW. GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. OTHER THAN THAT, ANY OTHER BEFORE WE VOTE, I WILL JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER BROWNBACK HAS JOINED US, SO NOW WE'RE AT FULL STRENGTH. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WITH THE MINOR AMENDMENT, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH THE CORRECTION.
ANY COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE RECEIVED NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, AND WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. SO I GUESS WE ARE ON TO ITEM NINE, A DISCUSSION OF SECTION 86755 SCHEDULE OF REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING SPACE.
[9.A. Discussion – Sec. 86-755 – Schedule of Requirements for Parking Space ]
SO THIS IS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I'M TIM SCHMITT, I'M THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US TONIGHT AND YOU'VE BEEN DOWNGRADED TO ME TONIGHT.
SO PRINCIPAL PLANNER AND OUR ILLUSTRIOUS INTERN, MIRA KINCAID HAVE BEEN WORKING ON UPDATES TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE THAT STAFF HAD STARTED SOME TIME AGO AND JUST REALLY COULDN'T GET TRACTION. WE FINALLY GOT SOME TIME AND SOME EFFORT BEHIND IT, AND I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES PREVIOUSLY AND SO THIS IS SORT OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE. AND SO THAT'S THE HOPE IS THAT WE ARE IN A PLACE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HAPPY WITH AFTER THIS EVENING, THAT WE CAN INTRODUCE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND START THIS BALL ROLLING.
ULTIMATELY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, FROM A PROCESS, PROCEDURE PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL RESOLVE THIS PIECE FIRST, WHICH IS THE NUMBERS PIECE. AND THEN STAFF HAS ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON THE SECONDARY PIECE WHICH IS THE MORE TECHNICAL SIDE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE LIGHTING, THE SIZE, THE CIRCULATION, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE WILL BRING THAT FORWARD IN A SEPARATE PROPOSAL TO MAYBE THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. AND THAT WILL GET US THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THIS SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO THE MAJOR CHANGES. BASED ON THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS I WANT TO POINT OUT WITH YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE 25% OVERFLOW IN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS HAS BEEN REDUCED, AND THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED SPACES FOR THE SMALLEST APARTMENTS HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 2 TO 1 AND A HALF. THIS SHOULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON REDUCTION OF JUST SORT OF EXTRA PARKING THAT PEOPLE SEE AT CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS THAT REALLY NEVER GETS USED.
SOME OF THE LAND USES IN THE LIST HAVE BEEN MODERNIZED.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN OUT OBSOLETE TERMS, WE'VE UPDATED IT TO MODERN THINGS, AND WE'VE SIMPLIFIED SOME OF THE CALCULATIONS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY COMPLICATED, EVEN FOR US AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN READ THIS.
AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO GET INTO ANY SPECIFICS.
AND IN FACT, I'LL PULL UP THE, THE RED LINE VERSION SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
AND WELCOME ANY CONVERSATION THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER. YES. THANK YOU.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING THIS OVER, I WAS TRYING TO.
I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACE.
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1.5. AND THEN I THINK THAT'S PAGE EIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE IN PAGE NINE, THERE'S LIKE 4.5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW FOR THE RED LINE IS KIND OF HARD FOR LIKE ONE BEDROOM UNIT? YEAH. YOU HAVE 1.5. LIKE HOW DOES. I'M ASSUMING LIKE, IF YOU HAVE ONE BEDROOM, YOU HAVE 1.5, THEN THERE'S TWO BEDROOM. IT JUMPS IT JUMPS TO THREE.BUT I, IT'S IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT. YEAH. SO THE WAY WE SPLIT IT UP THIS TIME IS THAT CURRENTLY IT'S TWO PER FOR MULTI-FAMILY. IT'S TWO FOR EVERYTHING PLUS 25% OVERFLOW.
RIGHT. SO WE'RE TAKING OUT THE OVERFLOW AND LEAVING.
IF IT'S TWO BEDROOMS OR ABOVE, IT'S STILL TWO PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE UNDER TWO BEDROOMS. SO STUDIO OR 1 OR 1 BEDROOM, IT'S ONLY ONE AND A HALF SPACES.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I MAY RUN A ONE BEDROOM BY MYSELF, AND COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL MAY RENT A ONE BEDROOM WITH HIS PARTNER AND SO IN THAT CASE, YOU MAY NEED TWO SPACES, WHEREAS I WOULD ONLY NEED ONE PARKING SPACE AND SO WHAT THAT'S TRYING TO DO IS IT'S TRYING TO WEAVE THAT LINE OF WHAT THE MIX OF UNIT TYPE RESIDENCE IS GOING TO BE. SO IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ONE PERSON, BUT NOT ENOUGH, NOT AS MUCH TO LIKE HAVE A BUNCH OF VACANT SPACES.
SO IS THERE TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXTRA, NOT TO NECESSARILY SAY ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACE? LIKE LITERALLY IT'S SO THAT THE NUMBERS CAN. YEAH.
IT BECOMES MORE OF A MATH PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO A TRYING TO ADD IN AN EXTRA 25%.
AND THEN I GOT YOU. YEAH. AS I WAS READING IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HALF A PARKING SPACE, BUT FOR EVERY TWO UNITS THERE WOULD BE THREE PARKING SPACES.
YEAH, BUT THIS MAKES IT A PER ONE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IF YOU HAVE TWO, THEN JUMPS UP TO THREE.
YEAH. ESSENTIALLY JUST BECOMES A MATH LADDER RIGHT.
SO MY PARTNER DOESN'T NEED A REALLY NARROW CAR.
CORRECT. A BICYCLE? YEAH. GUESSING YOUR PARTNER WOULD HAVE A BICYCLE.
RIGHT. AND I FIGURED AS MUCH. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. AS I SAID LAST TIME, THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME. AND I TRUST A LOT OF THE PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT OF THE STAFF.
I APPRECIATE THE MANY TIMES THAT STAFF HAS ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS AROUND FUNNY THINGS THAT JUST SORT OF, OH, THIS IS INTERESTING, BUT BUT ULTIMATELY, THIS SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
AS I'VE READ IT. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SORRY, I GLOSSED OVER THE BIG PICTURE FOR THE DETAILS.
IN THE STAFF MEMO, THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE TOTAL REDUCTION IN PARKING.
WE EXPECT TO THIS THESE CHANGES TO GENERATE IN TERMS OF REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THAT'S A GOAL. THAT'S A SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE THAT THIS CHANGE OF PARKING ORDINANCE WORKS TOWARDS AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERLINE THAT AND THAT REDUCTION IS A REMOVAL OF A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
BUT IF A DEVELOPER WERE TO BE CREATING A MULTI-FAMILY AND AN APARTMENT AND WANTED TO RETAIN SOME OR ALL OF THAT 25%, NEGATING WHAT COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL JUST SAID.
BUT IF THEY SAID, WELL, WE EXPECT OUR PEOPLE TO HAVE GUESTS AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING, THERE ISN'T A MAXIMUM THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SETS MAXIMUMS THAT WEREN'T THERE BEFORE? GIVE ME JUST A SECOND TO PULL UP THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
THANK YOU. SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS. NO, THAT'S A IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE AS I'M GIVING IT TO YOU. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PROVISION FOR MAXIMUM.
MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE ONLY HAD ONE PROJECT IN MY ENTIRE CAREER.
HIT THAT AND WANT A VARIANCE FROM THAT AND THAT WAS TRADER JOE'S, AND THEY KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH PARKING THEY NEEDED AND THEY LITERALLY GOT DOWN TO THE SMALLEST AMOUNT THEY THOUGHT WAS OKAY, AND THERE WERE STILL PEOPLE PARKED ON NORTH WIND DRIVE THIS WEEKEND WHEN I WENT THE SO TYPICALLY BECAUSE PARKING DOESN'T PAY TAXES, YOU KNOW, PARKING DOESN'T BRING IN REVENUE GENERALLY.
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SO GENERALLY OUR COMMERCIAL SIDE IS WHERE THE MAXIMUMS EXIST.AND SO ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE YOU'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE CURRENTLY.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO AS PART OF THE TECHNICAL PIECE OF THIS.
IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION I THINK YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MANY PEOPLE CLAMORING TO PUT THAT ADDITIONAL 25% IN BECAUSE THAT'S.
SO WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
I WASN'T SUGGESTING, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES. AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE ARE, BECAUSE WHAT'S THERE? OKAY, GREAT. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS OR ARE WE READY TO SUGGEST IT? OH, GO AHEAD, MR. BROOKS. SO, DIRECTOR SCHMITT, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE TIMES, BUT I JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO, LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED LAST TIME WAS, DID WE TALK TO ANY LOCAL BUSINESSES ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE LIKE THIS? AND THE EXAMPLE I USED WAS LIKE THE PLACE OF WORSHIP AND SO WE HAVE IN HERE ONE SPOT FOR EACH FIVE FIXED SEATS OR TEN LINEAR FEET OF PEWS OR 30FT² OF ASSEMBLY FLOOR.
IS THAT I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE CALLED ANY OF THESE PLACES STILL LIKE, WHY IS WHY ARE THESE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING? WHY ARE THESE I'M SORRY, WHY ARE THESE THE RULES WE'RE SETTLING ON AND THE ORDINANCE VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE? AND OUR SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES NEEDS. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, IT'S A VALID POINT.
CERTAINLY WE COULD RECREATE OUR OWN STANDARDS IF WE WANTED TO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SEEING, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHURCH EXAMPLE, THE PLACE OF WORSHIP EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TIED BACK TO, IN MANY WAYS, OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING, LIKE BECAUSE THAT 30FT² REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE BUILDING CODE AND THAT LINEAR FEET OF PEWS REPRESENTS SOMETHING AND SO IN THAT CASE, AT LEAST IT'S TYING BACK TO OKAY, WE ASSUME TEN LINEAR FEET OF FUZE IS ROUGHLY A FAMILY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN ONE CAR, RIGHT? SO WE NEED ONE SPACE FOR EVERY TEN LINEAR FEET.
ALL OF THE STANDARDS AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER TIED BACK TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT.
IF YOU REALLY IF YOU REALLY DOVE INTO WHEN THEY WHEN PLACES ESTABLISHED MINIMUM PARKING FOR COMMERCIAL SPACES, IT WAS BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING BACK IN THE DAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD 10,000FT², YOU'D ASSUME YOU COULD GET A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THERE AND SMASH THEM ALL IN.
LIKE PLAYMAKERS DURING DURING THE ANNUAL SALE TIME.
BUT AS WE'VE CHANGED. RIGHT AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NOW IS THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED, RIGHT. ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SIDE IN MANY WAYS.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES SORT OF LUMPED ALL OFFICES TOGETHER.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE A MEDICAL OFFICE OR A DENTAL OFFICE, THEY'RE VERY CLEARLY DIFFERENT THAN A CALL CENTER OR THE ELECTRIC COMPANY'S OFFICES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK IF THERE WAS A CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS A USE WHERE YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME DIFFERENT DIFFERENCE NEEDED, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY LOOK INTO THAT. BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF TALKING TO BUSINESSES, I MEAN, WE TALKED TO BUSINESSES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND VERY RARELY DO OUR PARKING STANDARDS BECOME A POINT OF CONTENTION. RIGHT? MOSTLY WHAT WE HEAR IS, YEP, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE NEED.
YOU KNOW, TRADER JOE'S, LIKE I SAID, IS THE ONLY ONE I'VE HAD HERE WHERE THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN THAT. WE KNOW WE NEED MORE THAN THAT.
THEY WERE WRONG. IT'S REALLY JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, COUPLE DAYS A MONTH.
THEY NEED MORE THAN THAT. THEY NEED LIKE A MAGIC SECOND DECK TO APPEAR A COUPLE DAYS A MONTH.
AND WE DID HAVE A CHURCH THAT DRAMATICALLY EXPANDED ITS PARKING LOT, BECAUSE ALL THOSE PEWS WERE TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE WHO DROVE THEIR OWN CARS, AND THEY WERE CLOGGING UP MEIJER. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BETTER EXAMPLES WE HAD RECENTLY.
THEY WERE DEFINITELY THEY DEFINITELY PRE-DATED THE ORDINANCE AND DEFINITELY NEEDED TO EXPAND.
THEY, YOU KNOW, AS THEY GAINED IN RELEVANCE, THEY EXPANDED THEIR PARKING LOT BY A SOLID 30%, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. TO MEET SORT OF THE MODERN STANDARD FOR WHAT THEY WERE SEEING.
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LIKE, DISPUTE THE DECISIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES OR THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.I JUST LIKE IT'S HARD TO COMPARE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING VERSUS WHAT WE'VE HAD AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EACH OF THE CHANGES IS BEING RECOMMENDED AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SORT OF ACHIEVING A PURPOSE OF PARKING SPACE REDUCTION. I MEAN, I GET THE ORDINANCE SIMPLIFICATION AND TRYING TO DO THAT.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO IS LIKE, I SORT OF WANT TO KNOW, LIKE, WHAT IS THE MATH BEHIND EACH OF THESE DECISIONS? LIKE, IS IT REALLY ACTUALLY A REDUCTION? LIKE, IS LIKE WHEN WE DO THIS VERSUS THIS, WHAT'S THEOUTCOME AND THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT CAN PARK IN THAT SPOT? YEAH, THIS COULD ABSOLUTELY GET TO THAT.
I MEAN, I LIKE JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE SHOPPING CENTERS GREATER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
RIGHT. OUR PROPOSAL IS TO GO TO 1 TO 400. IT'S A RELATIVELY MODERN STANDARD.
RIGHT AND SO THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE A REDUCTION FROM BEFORE WHERE IT WAS ESSENTIALLY ONE FOR EVERY 250 OR 200FT². RIGHT. SO WE CAN PUT SOME TANGIBLE NUMBERS OUT THERE TO SHOW YOU, AND ESPECIALLY THE BIG CHANGES LIKE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THANKS. I DON'T MEAN TO BE A THORN OR TO.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, THOUGH. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS. IF WE'RE NOT TELLING OUR STORY, WELL? WE'RE NOT TELLING OUR STORY WELL. YEAH. AMIABLE THORN, TRYING TO BE AN AMIABLE THORN. PEOPLE IN A PUBLIC HEARING WILL APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION, TOO. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, BUT IF WE STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND WE'RE PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO CONSIDER, IT'S WORTH CLARIFYING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THERE MIGHT BE CONFUSION AROUND.
THANK YOU. THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS ME TO ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WHEN THIS GOES OUT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, HOW DOES THAT GET NOTICED? BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING AROUND A GEOGRAPHIC PIECE OF PROPERTY.
LIKE WHO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS NOW? NOT THEORETICAL, BUT IN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU SHARE IT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM? AND DO THEY MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT AND CAN WEIGH IN IF THEY HAVE? BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO BUSINESSES LIKE THOSE WOULD BE THE BUSINESSES THAT I'D WANT TO MAKE SURE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPLICATIONS OF A CHANGE THAT MIGHT MATTER.
BUT MAKING SURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS AWARE OF THIS AND CAN DIRECTOR CLERK IS WELL IN IN THE LOOP ON THIS AND MAYBE THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY. OH THERE YOU GO. I BELIEVE SHE'S BROUGHT IT UP TO THE CIA AND THE EDC OR THE DDA.
ONE OF THE TWO. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE. I APOLOGIZE. GREAT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? THOUGHTS? OKAY.
SO WE'LL JUST COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BRING IT FORWARD.
SO IF IT'S THE INDULGENCE OF THE COMMISSION, WE WILL PROBABLY NOTICE THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT TO START THE OFFICIAL BALL ROLLING. OKAY. I THINK THAT IS AND WE WILL BRING FORWARD TANGIBLE, YOU KNOW, COMPARISONS.
YOU KNOW, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD COMPARISON, BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH OF THEM THEN THAT I CAN JUST QUICKLY I CAN QUICKLY DO THE MATH AND SHOW, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE 5% HERE AND 12% HERE.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SEE. YEAH. IT'S LITERALLY JUST VERY BASIC.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. YOU DON'T NEED A VOTE FROM US OR ANYTHING.
WE DO NOT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, WE ARE DOWN TO TEN. A TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.
[10.A. Township Board update ]
YOU KNOW, UNIQUELY, THIS WAS THE FIRST MEETING I HADN'T HAD TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IN WELL OVER A YEAR.SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR GIVING ME A LITTLE BREAK THERE.
WE WILL BE TAKING THE ADOBE ROAD REZONING TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT MADE, I BELIEVE AT THEIR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THEY STATED THAT THEY WOULD BE OUT OF TOWN AND WE WILL NOT BE PROCEEDING UNTIL MARCH.
SO WE WILL BE TAKING THAT FORWARD IN MARCH. WHICH WE ARE PREPARING THAT PACKET NOW.
YEAH, THAT'S NEXT WEEK AND THEN THE BOARD IS GETTING READY TO TOMORROW NIGHT IN THIS ROOM WILL BE THE NEXT THE SECOND TO LAST SENIOR CENTER TASK FORCE MEETING. I BRING IT UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY BECAUSE THE BOARD WILL BE MAKING SOME DECISIONS ON THAT IN APRIL AND SO IF YOU DO
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HAVE FEEDBACK ON THAT, YOU WILL SEE IT EVENTUALLY.WE LARGELY WILL BE DISCUSSING TOMORROW NIGHT OPERATIONS AND COSTS FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
AND THEN AT THE MARCH MEETING, WHICH IS MARCH 11TH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
WE WILL BE DISCUSSING SORT OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL COST.
AND THE TASK FORCE IS CHARGED WITH MAKING A DECISION MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD ON EITHER A SENIOR CENTER ONLY OR A SENIOR CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER, SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND SO THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL THEN BE HEARD BY THE BOARD, LIKELY AT THEIR FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.
AND THE BOARD WITH THE BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITHIN THE MONTH OF APRIL.
GREAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU. I'M ASSUMING. OH, I GUESS WE'RE DOWN TO 10B LIAISON REPORTS.
[10.B. Liaison reports ]
SHOULD I KICK OFF? I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS GOING THROUGH A CHANGE OF STAFFING FROM THE TOWNSHIP AND HAD A NICE MEETING WITH DEPUTY MANAGER OPSOMER THIS AFTERNOON WITH A COUPLE OF YOUNG ENGINEERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH A COUPLE OF VERY SPECIFIC TASKS IN TERMS OF OUR GREEN SPACE PLAN, OUR CLIMATE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND I'M VERY ENTHUSED THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE MAKING FORWARD PROGRESS ON SOME OF OUR GOALS THIS YEAR.THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THE ZBA MET. WHAT WAS THE DATE? FEBRUARY 19TH. AND WE HEARD THE DTN ZONING VARIANCE REQUEST, OR THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THEIR GRAND RESERVE PROJECT. AND WE DID APPROVE FIVE OF THEIR ALL FIVE OF THEIR BASICALLY WHERE THE DECK PLACEMENTS WERE FROM THE WETLAND SETBACK THAT THEY NEEDED.
I PROBABLY JUST BUTCHERED, EXPLAINING THAT I WILL ONLY ADD BECAUSE THE ZBA DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THIS, THAT IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED FROM THEIR INITIAL REQUEST, WHICH I TOLD THEM PERSONALLY TWO YEARS AGO WAS NOT GOING TO GET APPROVED.
SO WE FINALLY GOT THERE. YEAH. YEAH. YOU CAN WATCH THE VIDEO OF IF YOU DESIRE TO HEAR MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. ANY OTHER UPDATES? I JUST FLASHED BACK TO ME THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHERE IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE NOT YET DESIGNATED ANYBODY TO REPRESENT US ON THE BROWNFIELD AUTHORITY, AND THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S SCHEDULE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE SCHEDULE OF THE BROWNFIELD AUTHORITY.
OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A BETTER PLACE TONIGHT TO DO THAT EITHER.
BUT I GUESS I, TALKED TO A LITTLE BIT TO MR. SHORKEY AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO US? AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY DON'T ALWAYS MEET AND LIKE, HOW WHAT CAN WE DO? AND WE WERE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON IT AND WE HAVE NOT YET DONE THAT.
WHEN IS IT AGAIN? IT'S THURSDAY MORNING. OH THAT'S BRUTAL.
BUT, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T WE WANT TO BE REPRESENTED, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A VACANCY ON THIS BOARD, SO IT MIGHT BE A PRIORITY TO FIND A NEW COMMISSIONER WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED, WILLING, HAVE A SKILL SET FOR THAT.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE ONLY CRITERIA, BUT UNDERSTOOD.
IF THERE'S IF THAT COULD BE A DOUBLE BONUS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
UNDERSTOOD. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT ONE, AS I'M JUST BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN THE BROWNFIELD ISSUE, BUT THE SO IT'S 9:00 DOES WHAT IS THE TIME PERIOD THAT IT USUALLY HAS? ONE HOUR. THEY'RE PRETTY PROMPT IS IT. AND IT'S MONTHLY.
IT IS MONTHLY. BUT AS THEY DON'T MEET VERY OFTEN.
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SO IT VERY MUCH IS ON A PROJECT CYCLE BASIS. RIGHT.WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MONTHS OFF. THEY ARE GETTING READY TO POTENTIALLY BE TAKING UP THIS CONCEPT OF WHETHER OR NOT HOW WE MODIFY THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE BROWNFIELD TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
AND SO IT'S LIKELY THEY WILL START TO MEET MORE REGULARLY.
IT'S A HARD ONE TO PREDICT. OKAY. AND I'VE HEARD THE PAPERWORK CAN BE A BEAR.
OH IT'S VERY STATE PAPERWORK ON TOP OF TOWNSHIP STAFF.
DOES THE. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP YOU AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE.
BEAR YOU IN PAPER. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU LEARN A LOT WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT.
YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. I HEARD IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
SO AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE JOE'S ON JOLLY WITHOUT IT.
WE YOU KNOW WHAT. THEY'RE FINALLY MOVING AND IT'S HERE.
IT'S HERE. YES. OKAY, I'M INTERESTED, BUT I'LL LET ME TALK TO SOMEBODY AND I'LL TALK TO SOMEBODY. I UNDERSTAND, AND I WILL.
I'M GOING TO DISCUSS WITH DIRECTOR CLARK WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND. YEAH WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY EVEN TO APPOINT STAFF LIAISON IN FOR MEETINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, A VOTE ISN'T NECESSARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
EVERYBODY, I TRIED TO MAKE YOU GUYS SOUND AS AMAZING AS I POSSIBLY COULD.
OKAY. AND I ALSO COULDN'T ATTEND. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. AND I KNOW A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T EITHER. THANK YOU.
DR. SCHMIDT DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF EXTOLLING OUR VIRTUES AND GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
PROBABLY BETTER THAN WE'VE BEEN HERE OURSELVES.
WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL GO TO NUMBER 11.
[11. PROJECT UPDATES ]
PROJECT UPDATES. I SAW THAT THERE WAS A. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD OFFER AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY MEIJER, THEY'VE VERY QUICKLY DEMOED THEIR CANOPY AND HAVE STARTED WORK.THEY HAVE A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE, AND THE CONTRACTOR SEEMS DETERMINED TO HIT IT.
WHICH TELLS ME JUST HOW POPULAR THAT PLACE IS.
NO, THE FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE LAST OF THE ADULT USE MARIJUANA SHOPS BACK AT THEIR AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, ON THE HORIZON, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD WE STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH RESPECT TO THE NEXT PHASE OF COPPER CREEK AND SO I EXPECT YOU'LL SEE THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AT SOME POINT.
MY GUESS IS SUMMER ON THAT, GIVEN THE STATE OF THE CONCEPT WAS PRETTY LIGHT WHEN WE SAW IT.
AND FUTURE PHASES OF SILVERLEAF, FUTURE PHASES AND GRAIN RESERVE MAGAZINE RESERVE, NEWTON POINT ARE GETTING READY TO START KICKING OFF AS WELL. THE MARKET IS STILL VERY ROBUST, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING.
AND IT IS LIKELY THAT I SUSPECT YOU WILL SEE A CHANGE TO THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE PLAN.
POSITIVE CHANGE, BUT A CHANGE NONETHELESS. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON THAT YET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE OR WHETHER IT WILL COME TO THE BOARD.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY AND THEN WE ARE DOWN TO PUBLIC REMARKS.
WE STILL HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
[13. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ]
ANY COMMENTS? MAYBE ONE. OKAY. I DID ATTEND THE TOWNSHIP JOINT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEETING AND, TOLD EVERYONE THERE THAT IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE NIGHTS OF THE YEAR.IT BASICALLY IS JUST HEARING EXACTLY WHAT EVERY OTHER BOARD AND COMMISSION HAS BEEN UP TO AND WHAT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT THEY'VE STRUGGLED WITH AND HOW THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. BUT ALWAYS A BIG THEME OF THE EVENING IS ALL THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE THAT'S BEHIND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT WE HEAR A LOT THESE DAYS ABOUT WASTE AND FRAUD AND ABUSE IN GOVERNMENT, AND IT'S NOT WORKING FOR US AND EVERYTHING. BUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK IS THE MODEL OF OPEN GOVERNMENT, TRANSPARENT, OPEN, CITIZEN DRIVEN GOVERNMENT.
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MEETING. I LEARN A LOT. AND YOU ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT THE AWARDS THAT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP WINS FOR BEING A COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN, AND THAT DOES WELL FOR ITS CITIZENS. AND THAT MEETING IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF KIND OF LAYING IT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT I THINK YOU FORGET IF YOU'RE IN YOUR LITTLE POCKET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S THIS AND IT'S THAT. BUT REALLY, THE COMMUNITY THAT COMPRISES MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HAS A LOT GOING ON, AND WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE WILLING TO PUT THEIR VOLUNTEER TIME INTO AND THE STAFF TO MAKE IT WORK. SO IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I'M MY COMMENT IS I'M SORRY I MISSED IT.
I WANTED TO BE THERE FOR MY SECOND ONE, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.
I WAS IN FLORIDA. YEAH. IT WAS RECORDED.
THERE. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT NOW I JUST SAID.
BECAUSE I SAW MY CREDIT CARD BILL FROM DISNEY. YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME.
YEAH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR MY NEXT VACATION, THOUGH.
IT'S AN INVESTMENT. YEAH. THERE YOU GO, LOOK AT A POSITIVE SIDE.
OR AT LEAST TAKE CARE OF ALL OF YOUR FLIGHTS.
YEAH, I THINK I THINK SEDONA IS CALLING OUR NAME.
OOH, SLIDE ROCK STATE PARK. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, THEN I MOVE TO ADJOURN.
THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:03. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.