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WELL, ON THAT NOTE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
AND IF OUR NEWEST MEMBER JOINS US. SO BETTER FOR US, BUT WE'VE GOT FOUR, SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO.TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH. IT IS 6:31.
AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
LOOKING AT MY AGENDA IN FRONT, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA]
SUPPORT. SUPPORTED BY MEMBER TREZISE. ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT THEN. THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.MEMBER. KOENIG. YES. AND EXCUSE ME, I DID NOT BRING A WATER BOTTLE.
SPEAKING OF WATER BOTTLES. MEMBER. OH. I'M SORRY.
THAT'S OKAY. MEMBER BROOKS. THAT'S OKAY. YES.
I'M SORRY. MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
MEMBER BROOKS IS A YES. YES. MEMBER TREZISE. YES.
ALL RIGHT. AND THE CHAIR VOTES? YES. SO TONIGHT'S AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED.
MOVING. TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 15TH, 2025 AS PRESENTED.
AWESOME. AND THIS IS ANY CORRECTIONS NOTES I READ THROUGH?
[3. CORRECTIONS, APPROVAL AND RATIFICATION OF MINUTES]
IT LOOKED GOOD TO ME. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ABOUT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR JANUARY 15TH.SO WE WILL MOVE DIRECTLY ON TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS WHICH BRINGS US TO ZBA CASE NUMBER 24-11,
[5.A. ZBA CASE NO.: 24-11 (Grand Reserve), Mayberry Homes, 1650 Kendale Blvd. #200, East Lansing, MI 48823]
GRAND RESERVE, MAYBERRY HOMES, 1650 KENDALL BOARD, NUMBER 200, EAST LANSING.MR. CHAPMAN. YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO UPDATE US, PLEASE.
SURE. SO, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT DECKS THAT ENCROACH ON SETBACK.
THE DECEMBER 18TH, ZBA MEETING. THE REQUEST WAS TABLED TO THE FUTURE MEETING.
AND AT THE JANUARY 15TH MEETING IT WAS POSTPONED SO THAT THE PLANS COULD BE REVISED.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED NEW PLANS. AND THIS CHART SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM? WE MEET AGAIN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JOE SCHROEDER. I LIVE AT 4116 PRESIDENTS WAY IN DEWITT, MICHIGAN, 48820.
ALL RIGHT, TAKE IT AWAY. PRETTY MUCH WE LOOK THROUGH THE EACH UNIT BECAUSE ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WAS THERE'S A 25 MINIMUM SETBACK, BUT YET SOME OF THE HOUSES WERE SET FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
SO WE SLID THINGS FORWARD AS FAR AS WE COULD TO STILL ALLOW THE PARKING, WHICH WE DISCUSSED AS WELL.
SO THAT HAS SINCE BEEN PUT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THAT ONE'S NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.
THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DID, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING FROM THE BOARD YET, BUT UNIT 54, WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TO FLIP THAT FROM A GARAGE LEFT TO A GARAGE RIGHT. AND THAT WILL GET THAT DECK OUT OF THERE.
SO UNIT 54 WILL NO LONGER NEED TO BE APPLIED FOR VARIANCE.
UNIT 53, WE PULLED FORWARD. SO IT'S NOT INTO THE BUFFER AS MUCH.
IF YOU LOOK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN.
WE SHOULD HAVE THEM ALL IN THE PACKET. SO ON UNIT 53 WE SLID IT FORWARD WHERE THOSE POSTS ARE.
ONE IS IN, ONE IS NOT IN THE BUFFER, BUT ONE IS.
SO, WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR HALF THAT DECK BASED ON THE DOTTED LINE THAT GOES THERE.
THEN THE ONES WE HAVE DIFFICULTIES ON AND WE SLID THEM FORWARD JUST SO THEY WEREN'T IN ENOUGH.
LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT 49 AND 50. WE SLID IT FORWARD WHERE 49 IS NO LONGER IN THE BUFFER, BUT THERE'S TWO POSTS THAT ARE BURIED BARELY IN THE BUFFER FOR UNIT 50. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THAT.
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AND THEN THE TWO, WHICH THERE'S ACTUALLY. ONE OF MY ACCESSORY, I THINK I'M MISSING A PAGE 59 AND 60, AND I THINK IT'S 51 AND 52. WE SLID THEM FORWARD, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO GET THOSE OUT OF THE BUFFER WITHOUT REQUESTING A VARIANCE.SO, WE'VE MINIMIZED THE NUMBER. SO WE'RE OFFICIALLY REQUESTING FOR VARIANCES ON 59 AND 60, 51 AND 52. THEN ONE DECK POST FOR CAN YOU ROLL UP TO THE TOP OF 51.
SO WE CAN SEE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT TWO DRAWINGS THERE.
51 AND 52 BELOW ARE THE OLD DRAWINGS, THIS ENCROACHMENT FROM BOTH UNITS.
51 IS UP ON THE TOP AND I THINK THAT'S YOUR ADJUSTMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THERE'S INLAID THERE'S INSERTED CHANGES IN THE DRAWINGS.
SO ONLY 51 IS ENCROACHING. THESE HAVE BEEN MOVED UP.
SO 51 IS NO LONGER ENCROACHING. OH, I THOUGHT 51 WAS STILL ENCROACHING.
NO, I MIGHT HAVE MISQUOTED. I SAID 51 IS THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ONE POST.
YES, ONE POST FOR 403. BUT 52 IS THE ONE THAT GOT MOVED OUT.
OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT WAS 52 WHEN IT ORIGINALLY.
I DON'T THINK 52. I DON'T THINK 52. IT SHOWS THE ENCROACHMENT.
SO. YEAH, 52 WASN'T BEFORE, SO IT'S. OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M SORRY. I JUST MOVED IT BACK. YEAH, JUST MOVED IT BACK.
GOT YOU. OKAY, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
TRYING TO KEEP MYSELF ORGANIZED. SORRY. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THE VARIANCE ON 51 OR 52. 51, 51, 51, 51, 52 FROM SIX FEET TO A LITTLE OVER FOUR. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.
ASKING MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OFFICIALLY BOARD TIME, SO JUMP IN THE WATER, GENTLEMEN. MR. TREZISE, GO FOR IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
I APPRECIATE THIS. THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT REDUCE THE ENCROACHMENT AND I CAN SUPPORT THIS AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MEMBER KOENIG.
I SUPPORT MEMBER COMMENTS AS WELL. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. CHAPMAN. COULD YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE FIRST. YEAH, UNIT 4950.
LOOKING AT THE ZOOM IN AT THE TOP THERE, TO ME I SEE A MAXIMUM, I GUESS VARIANCE NEED OF 1.12FT.
BUT YOUR TABLE SAYS THAT THE REVISED AMOUNT WAS 4.05.
SO WHERE AM I? I'M GETTING CONFUSED IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY OF SOMETHING.
I NOTICED THERE'S A COUPLE IN HERE THAT SEEM THEY DON'T MATCH THE TABLE.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE IT'S EVEN.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT APPEARS IT'S EVEN LESS. BECAUSE IF IT'S 1.12FT, THAT'S EVEN BETTER THAN THE 4.3.
THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BETTER. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TABLE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THIS IS HOW THEY'RE PROPOSED TO TAKE THEM. THE PLOT DOES.
OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHEREVER WE GO WITH THIS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE.
YEAH. BECAUSE I NOTICED TO NOTE 5051. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHERS THAT I SAW THAT WERE 59 AND 60.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. YEAH. 59, 60. YOU SHOW 3.86 AND 2.53, BUT THE DRAWING LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 7.26 AND 6.12 AT THE, AT THE RIGHT WHERE THE LONGEST, LONGEST WOULD BE THE LONGEST.
YEAH. SO THE NUMBERS I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING WRONG, OR MAYBE THE NUMBERS IN THE TABLE JUST DIDN'T GET UPDATED, OR I DON'T THINK THE TABLE WAS UPDATED. AND THAT MIGHT BE GOING OFF THE FACE OF THE DECK WHERE THE PLOT PLANS ARE ACTUALLY GOING OFF THE DECK POST.
SO THOSE THE DECKS ACTUALLY HANG PAST THE DECK POST, RIGHT? OKAY. SO THAT'S OKAY. THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THEN.
EITHER THE INLAY IS WRONG OR I WAS GOING OFF OF THE ACTUAL PLAN, NOT THE INLAYS.
OH, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT NUMBERS. YOU SEE THAT?
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WHERE ARE YOU? YEAH. SO I'M TRYING TO FIND AN EXAMPLE. SO, SO THE CLOSEST POINT ON HERE WAS 35.95.YEAH I JUST SUBTRACTED THAT FROM 40. AND THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
OH INLAY IS A DIFFERENT NUMBER. SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS ACTUALLY THIS ONE'S GOING OFF THE WETLAND.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE HE GOT HIS ONE POINT. OH YEAH.
WELL OH THAT'S NOT EVEN 1.12. IT'S A LITTLE IT SHOULD BE 1.17 I GUESS, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE MATH.
BUT YEAH. SO IT'S FROM THE EDGE OF THE WETLAND.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GO FROM, FROM THE EDGE OF THE WETLAND TO THE BUFFER.
YEAH. TO THE OR TO THE TO THE DECK. TO THE TO THE DECK.
IT'S THE CLOSEST POINT IN THE DECK TO THE. OKAY.
TO THE OVERHANG, NOT TO THE POST. TECHNICALLY ANY STRUCTURE.
SO IT'S THE OVERHANG. IT'S THE OVERHANG POST.
NO. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN SO THE TABLE IS WHAT YOU WHAT STAFF DID BASED ON THE EDGE OF THE WETLANDS TO THE EDGE OF THE STRUCTURE? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GO OFF OF.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION WE HAVE. SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE APPROVING.
BUT YEAH LOOKS LIKE WE YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB COMING BRINGING IT IN, MAKING AS MUCH AS MUCH, YOU KNOW HEADWAY WITH IT AS YOU COULD. SO THAT IS APPRECIATED FOR SURE.
THAT'S I THINK, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO YES.
MEMBER BROOKS, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE GONE INTO TO PUSH THESE BACK.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS SO IN ON THE PLOT PLAN THAT SHOWS UNIT 53.
SO IT'S UNIT 54. TO THE WEST OF THAT IT WOULD BE THE SOUTH.
TO THE SOUTH, BECAUSE THE NORTH IS GOING THE OTHER WAY.
SO IS THAT UNIT GOING TO GET A VARIANCE? THAT'S THE ONE WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY REFLECTED ON HERE.
THAT'S 54. IF WE MAKE 54 IS PRESENTLY A GARAGE LEFT.
YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT BUFFER LINE IS ON. IT'S NOT 54.
IT'S 50. IT'S 54, NOT 53 THAT WE FLIP 53 JUST HAS THE ONE DECK POST IN IT.
THERE'S ONE. THE ONE POST 54 IS NOT ON HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO INCURSION ANYMORE.
BECAUSE IF WE FLIP IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO ENCROACH, RIGHT.
BUT DO YOU NEED CONSENT TO FLIP IT OR DO I NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING? THEY APPROVED 23-24 ON THAT. SO AS LONG AS WE GO BACK TO ZONING AND THEY APPROVE THE CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN, WE'RE FINE. OKAY. WHICH THEY'VE BEEN AGREEABLE SO FAR.
SO. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, MR. CHAPMAN, THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU. SO THE FOR OUR SIDEWALKS IN A SPACE LIKE THIS, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S SO MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD? NOT FOR THIS, NO. I MEAN, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ALLOWING UTILITIES LIKE A UTILITY EASEMENT, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK. SO TECHNICALLY, LIKE, THE SIDEWALK COULD BE MOVED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I'D HAVE TO ASK OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I HAVE NO CLUE.
OKAY. BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I. YEAH. YEAH.
BUT IF THE SIDEWALKS, IF THERE'S 4FT OR 2FT OR THREE FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD, IF YOU REDUCE THAT, THEN YOU CAN GET RID OF SOME OF THESE VARIANCES, PROBABLY EVEN MORE, BECAUSE YOU COULD MOVE THE UNITS BACK FURTHER.
YEAH. YOU START MESSING WITH THAT THOUGH. IT MESSES WITH THE ELEVATION OF THINGS BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU SET YOUR CITY WALK BACK, IT USUALLY SITS UP SIX INCHES AND YOUR HOUSE SITS UP HIGHER THAN THAT. YOU START PULLING THAT TO THE CURB AND THEN IT FLATTENS IT OUT.
SO. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I TYPICALLY LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE FOR IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO PUSH THAT. I'M JUST RAISING IT AS A QUESTION, QUESTION POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.
WE TRY TO BE SPACE WITH 23 AND 24 LIKE WE PULLED THAT FORWARD.
[00:15:04]
SO IT'S GOING TO SIT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN A STRAIGHT LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S GOING TO BE OFFSET A LITTLE BIT. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO. YEAH. BUT YOUR SIDEWALK AND YOUR EASEMENT BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE.YEAH. THAT STAYS. IT'S GOING TO BE UNIFORM. YEAH. THE SIDEWALK STAYS THE SAME. IT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE BACK SIDE OF THAT CITY. WALK TO THE GARAGE. THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE, RIGHT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL LET'S TACKLE SOME CRITERIA.
MAYBE. MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT IN THE I GOT IT.
OH. IT'S OKAY. I'LL FIND IT SOMEWHERE. I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.
OH. EVEN BETTER. LOOK AT YOU. YEAH, MAYBE. MAYBE BUSINESS.
YEAH. THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. IT'S ON THERE. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
AND THESE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOT SELF-CREATED.
CRITERIA TWO STRICT INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LITERAL TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WOULD PREVENT THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED PURPOSE. THIS IS ONE WE STRUGGLED WITH.
IS EVERYBODY ABLE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA AT THIS POINT? WE STILL YES, I BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE UNITS TRYING TO PROVIDE UTILIZATION IN THE SAME MANNER FOR EACH ONE.
AND THE STRICT INTERPRETATION WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM BUILDING A DECK ON THE BACK AS DESIGNED.
SO, I THINK I CAN GO WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.
ALL RIGHT. CRITERIA THREE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE OF THE MINIMUM ACTION NECESSARY THAT WOULD CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SECURE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE WORKED AND WORKED WELL ON COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO GET AS MUCH OF A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THESE VARIANCES AS POSSIBLE, EVEN TO THE POINT OF REMOVING SOME OF THESE FROM THE TABLE.
SO I CAN MEET THIS CRITERIA AS EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH THAT ONE.
YES. ALL RIGHT. CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR SAYS GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT LAND OR THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T SEE THAT GRANTING THESE VARIANCES IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT CAUSE UNIFORMITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'RE ALL INTERNAL. YEP. ALL INTERNAL. YEP.
WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S GOING TO KEEP THAT CHARACTER OF THE OF THE PROPERTY INTACT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE MET THAT IN MANY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND WAYS.
SO AND WE YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS VERY POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AREA AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE MINIMAL VARIANCES WE'RE GRANTING TO INCUR INTO THE THE WETLANDS BUFFER.
I THINK MAKE THIS CLEARLY A BENEFIT TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE. ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCES AS REQUESTED? I WOULD ASK THAT, MR. CHAPMAN VERIFY THAT THE NUMBERS INVOLVED.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACCURATE. BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE INCURSIONS.
PROBABLY NOT SIGNIFICANT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.
OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. SUPPORT BY MEMBER BROOKS.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH.
I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE ALL READY. OKAY. THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE A ZBA CASE, NUMBER 24-11.
AS NOTED BY THE MOTION FROM MEMBER TREZISE WITH VERIFICATION OF STAFF ON THE NUMBERS IN THE TABLE.
AND WE'RE APPROVING BASED ON THE NUMBERS ON THE TABLE.
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RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO THE NUMBERS IN THE IN THE DRAWINGS.ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A MOTION TO APPROVE. MEMBER.
KOENIG. YES. MEMBER. BROOKS. YES. YES. AND THE CHAIR IS.
AND ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL CALL PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO MAKE A COMMENT. ALL RIGHT.
I'M CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL OPEN UP BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.
[9. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS]
AND I WILL JUST SAY IT'S GREAT. AND AS MEMBERS, AS I SAID, I'M JUST I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE BUILDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE BUILDING WITH INTEGRITY AND THAT ARE BUILDING COMMUNITIES THAT WILL IMPACT POSITIVELY THE TOWNSHIP AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT UP. THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, DOING GOOD THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.KEEP IT UP. AND GUYS GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH THIS CASE.
SO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. AND GUESS WHAT? THAT IS OFFICIALLY A WRAP. I'M GOING TO SAY I TOLD YOU IT WAS GOING TO BE FAST.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.