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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
WE'LL START WITH A ROLL CALL.NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC REMARKS ON THE AGENDA.
WE DO. ALSO, JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, SURE. OH, YOU DID NOT YET.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF THE MEETING FOR OPEN PUBLIC REMARKS, BUT WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO SHARE COMMENT ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE--WHO WAS THE SECOND? SNYDER. OKAY. THANK YOU, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA SLIGHTLY BY ADDING TWO RESOLUTIONS TO.
I BELIEVE IT GOES UNDER OTHER BUSINESS.
OKAY. OTHER BUSINESS B? PARDON ME? OTHER BUSINESS B? YES, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE B AND C OR IF IT CAN BE BA AND BB, BUT THESE WOULD BE TRIBUTES OF APPRECIATION FOR TWO OF OUR OUTGOING OUR OUTGOING COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO FOR WHOM THIS IS THE LAST MEETING.
SO I WILL READ THEM UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ THEM NOW.
READ IT LATER. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO AMEND THE AGENDA, OR WOULD THE MOVER AND SECONDER.
OKAY. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE AMEND IT.
WE CAN VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE AGENDA? DOES THIS REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE? MR. SHORKEY? YES IT DOES.
YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I WILL READ THESE INTO THE RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT IN THE MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AGENDA AS AMENDED, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE AT ITEM FIVE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THOSE? WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FIRST.I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE JUST DID.
WE APPROVED AMENDING THE AGENDA AMENDMENT.
I THOUGHT WE DID. I GOT TWO MOTIONS.
I GOT ROLL CALL FOR ROLL CALL ON THE AND THEN A VOICE VOTE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
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YES. I THINK WE'VE DONE BOTH.WHICH MEANS I MAY HAVE MISCALCULATED, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLUMER MOVED NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024.
OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? I HAD ONE ON ITEM EIGHT A SUP #24025.
IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, SECOND SENTENCE READS LONNIE COWDEN WITH HEIGHTS VENTURE ARCHITECTS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, EXPLAINED THAT THERE WILL DASH.
NORTHERN AND WESTERN ACCESS WILL BE LEFT AS IS.
OKAY, AND I CAN'T RECALL THE DISCUSSION WELL ENOUGH TO SUGGEST A CHANGE.
THIS IS THE MOST PICKING OF POINTS, BUT I THINK THE RECORD PROBABLY CORRECTLY REFLECTS OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROAD DEPARTMENT AND THE ROAD COMMISSION, AND I HOPE WE CAN CLARIFY THAT IT IS THE INGHAM COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAUGHT MY EYE.
WE'LL FIX THAT. THAT'S IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH.
IS THAT IN OTHER PLACES, TOO? SEVERAL TIMES IN THAT SECTION.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 18TH MEETING? OKAY, WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS, I WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
SO MINUTES, AS AMENDED ARE APPROVED.
THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE ARE AT SORRY AND I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW THAT THE MICROPHONES PICK UP PAGE TURNING.
MY HUSBAND'S TOLD ME THIS BEFORE.
WE HAVE NONE, BUT I SEE THAT YOU DID SHARE SOME IN FRONT OF US.
[6. COMMUNICATIONS]
THOSE WILL BE PUT IN THE RECORD FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.YEAH. YOUR NEXT MINUTES WILL REFLECT THAT.
OH. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. SO, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT 24030 FOR ALSAEDI GROUP CHILDCARE AT
[7.A. SUP #24030 – Alsaedi Group Child Care]
06:37.SO JUST VERY QUICKLY, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A DISCLOSURE, AND THAT DISCLOSURE IS I LIVE IN OLD ENGLISH ESTATES, BUT I DO NOT LIVE WITHIN THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DO NOT LIVE ON THE BLOCK OF DOWNING STREET WHERE THIS TAKES PLACE, BUT I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD BEFORE I PARTICIPATE IN ANY DISCUSSION AND ASK THAT THE REMAINING COMMISSIONERS RULE WHETHER OR NOT A CONFLICT EXISTS.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT, AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SCALES JUST SHARED.
I RECALL SEEING SOME GUIDANCE RECENTLY, I THINK, FROM THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY ON THE ISSUE OF RECUSAL, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF IT IN MY MIND, BUT I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE IT HERE WITH ME.
IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GOING RIGHT TO BUY THE BOOK.
YES, AND I DO NOT HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS BUSINESS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW COMMISSIONER SCALES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROMBACK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL JUST VERY BRIEFLY SAY I SUPPORT ALLOWING THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AS I UNDERSTOOD, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WAS SHARED WITH US PREVIOUSLY, IT REALLY DOES DEAL WITH FINANCIAL BENEFITS TO AN INDIVIDUAL FOR MAKING A DECISION AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS AN EMPLOYMENT OR A FINANCIAL IMPLICATION IN THIS.
SO I'LL BE VOTING TO SUPPORT ALLOWING PARTICIPATION, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THAT CONCERN.
OKAY. I THINK LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE JUST TO BE CLEAR.
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WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO PARTICIPATE.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RAISING THAT BEFORE WE START.
OKAY. NOW WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO THIS IS HOW THIS IS GOING TO RUN.
THAT'S ME, AND I'LL BE SPEAKING IN A MINUTE.
APPLICANT GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK AFTER THAT.
PUBLIC COMMENT COMES AFTER THAT.
ANYBODY WHO HAS FILLED OUT ONE OF THOSE GREEN FORMS WILL BE CALLED UP IN ORDER.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES PER PERSON TO SAY YOUR PIECE.
PLANNING COMMISSION CLOSES THAT THE FLOOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS AN INFORMAL VOTE.
THE DECISION IS NOT ALLOWED BY THEIR BYLAWS TONIGHT.
THE DECISION ON THIS SUP WILL BE JANUARY 13TH.
OKAY. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 24030 ALSAEDI ESTABLISH A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME FOR UP TO 14 CHILDREN AT 1609 THE APPLICANTS WERE IN FRONT OF YOU A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THEY GOT AN SUP TO DO A SIMILAR GROUP CHILDCARE HOME AT 2149 QUARRY ROAD.
I DID SPEAK TO THE STATE TODAY.
THERE ARE NO OUTSTANDING ISSUES WITH THAT SPECIAL USE WITH THAT GROUP HOME.
IT'S UP TO CODE AND EVERYTHING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO BE CLEAR, AND I'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANTS ABOUT THIS.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT ONE NEEDS TO CLOSE.
NOW. MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S THEIR INTENTION.
CHILDCARE LICENSING DIVISION, THEY REGULATE CHILDCARE FACILITIES BASED ON NUMBER OF CHILDREN.
SO 0 TO 7, WELL 1 TO 7 CHILDREN IS A FAMILY DAYCARE HOME AND NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF ANY ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED R-A.
IT IS IN THE OLD ENGLISH ESTATES.
THIS IS DOWNING STREET, THIS IS TIHART ROAD AND THEN THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX TO THE SOUTH.
SO YOU KNOW, FROM ZONING, LAND USE, ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS IN LINE.
IT'S DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S A TRANSFER AFFIDAVIT.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE TAKEN POSSESSION OF THE HOME.
STREET HAS FRONTAGE ON DOWNING STREET.
THE DAILY PROCESS FOR PICK UP AND DROP OFF, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, RIGHT NOW IS 7 A.M.
THAT MEETS THE STATE REQUIREMENT THAT CAN'T BE OPEN FOR MORE THAN 16 HOURS.
THE TYPICAL DROP OFF IS 7 A.M.
TO 9 A.M. TYPICAL PICKUP IS 330 TO 5.
DOWNING STREET IS ACCESS TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN ACCENT ACCESS HERE AND AN ACCESS HERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO COME IN, GO THROUGH, COME OUT THIS WAY, OR VICE VERSA.
THE TOWNSHIP CODE OF ORDINANCES ALLOWS A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME AS A NONRESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE STATE.
THE MICHIGAN ZONING ENABLING ACT, PUBLIC ACT 110 OF 2006 REQUIRES THE TOWNSHIP TO ISSUE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE GROUP CHILDCARE HOME IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.
NOW, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
THE ZONING ENABLING ACT REFERS TO THE GROUP CHILDCARE HOMES AS A RESIDENTIAL USE AND SAYS IN VERY BLACK AND WHITE TERMS, IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE AND THE WORD SHALL IS USED. THE ZONING ENABLING ACT LANGUAGE IS IN YOUR PACKET LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY SET.
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THE BIG ONE THAT STAFF HAS IS WITH NUMBER TWO APPROPRIATE FENCING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN AND THE GROUP. CHILDCARE HOME IS DETERMINED BY THE LOCAL UNIT OF GOVERNMENT.THE BACKYARD IS COMPLETELY FENCED IN.
IT IS A FOUR FOOT CYCLONE FENCE.
STAFF STRONGLY RECOMMENDS THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SHOULD YOU GET THERE, THAT YOU REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE SURROUNDING THE NTIRE BACKYARD.
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE THAT WOULD MITIGATE, NOT ELIMINATE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT CERTAINLY MITIGATE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, A FOUR FOOT CYCLONE FENCE IS A LOT EASIER TO CLIMB OVER AND INTO TIHART ROAD THAN A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE, AND TO BE PERFECTLY BLUNT, NO ONE NEEDS TO DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT THE CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE BACKYARD.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE OTHER THING THAT I CHECKED MORE THAN ONCE JUST TO MAKE SURE THE STATE DOES SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE OF THESE WITHIN A 1500 FOOT RADIUS GOING THROUGH THE DATABASE.
NONE OF THE USES THAT THE STATE LISTS ARE WITHIN 1500FT.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IF THIS GETS BUFFER BUFFER BUBBLE FOR THE FUTURE.
OKAY. AS FAR AS OUR TOWNSHIP STANDARDS GO, IT IS ON THE EDGE. WE WANT TO SEE YOU.
WE WANT TO SEE THEM ON THE EDGE OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS ON THE VERY EDGE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THE R-A DISTRICT.
IT'S ABOUT 358FT FROM TIHART ROAD VIA HAVERSHAM DRIVE.
INCREASED TRAFFIC HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN BY THE RESIDENTS.
IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 14 CARS IN A TWO HOUR PERIOD IN THE MORNING.
14 CARS IN AN HOUR AND A HALF PERIOD IN THE AFTERNOON FOR PICKUP.
OTHER THAN THAT, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES.
THIS CONFORMS TO ZONING, YOU KNOW, ZONING, FUTURE LAND USE.
SO AND THERE'S NO OUTSTANDING ENFORCEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHERE I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED.
DO WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME I'M HERE.
OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
OKAY. I THOUGHT WE DID THE PUBLIC HEARING THE APPLICANT FIRST.
OKAY. YEAH. SO IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHORKEY, YOU CAN ASK THEM NOW.
OTHERWISE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NOW AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. SHORKEY OR THE APPLICANT AND THEN BUT THEN WE THOSE WOULD JUST BE SORT OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT WHERE ANYONE WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK.
A QUESTION FOR MR. SHORKEY? GO AHEAD, MR. BROOKS. MR. SHORKEY. THANK YOU.
TO 5 P.M.. CAN THEY CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT LATER ON? I'M ASSUMING STATED STATED, EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH THE APPLICATION IS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
YES, THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, AND THEN IN NO CASE CAN THEY GO OVER 16 HOURS TOTAL.
RIGHT. YEAH, BUT 7 TO 5 IS LIKE, OKAY, I DON'T THAT'S LIKE, HOW MANY HOURS IS THAT, 14 OR NO? TEN. TEN, SORRY.
THEN THE 1500 FOOT BUBBLE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
DOES THAT ALL, IS THAT ONLY WITHIN RESIDENTIAL SPACE, OR IS THAT ALSO FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE? THIS IS TALKING ABOUT FAMILY DAYCARE, GROUP HOME DAYCARE.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL USES.
OKAY. SO THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE A COMMERCIAL DAYCARE FACILITY GOING ON MARSH ROAD.
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COMMISSIONER ROMBACK. SO, MR. SHORKEY, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO ZERO IN ON THIS ISSUE A LITTLE BIT.WHAT IS IT, SIX PART CRITERIA THERE.
THEN TO SOME EXTENT, AS A BOARD, OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
OKAY. AGAIN, THIS IS LANGUAGE FROM THE MICHIGAN ZONING AND BUILDING ACT.
THIS IS WHAT LETS US DO OUR PLANNING AND ZONING.
SECTION 12.3206 RESIDENTIAL USE OF PROPERTY PARAGRAPH FOUR.
FOR A COUNTY OR TOWNSHIP, A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME SHALL BE ISSUED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR OTHER OR OTHER SPECIAL SIMILAR PERMIT IF THE GROUP CHILD CARE HOME MEETS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE SIX THINGS IN MY REPORT ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE SHALL ISSUE.
OKAY, BUT THE SHALL DOES ALLOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS OR SIMILAR PERMITS TO BE ISSUED.
THERE'S NOT A STANDARDIZED TERM.
THERE'S NOT A STANDARDIZED NECESSARILY PROCESS.
OKAY. WE TREAT THEM AS SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
CAN YOU CONTINUE TO SCROLL DOWN? I CAN TELL ME WHEN TO STOP.
RIGHT THERE. OKAY, AND THIS IS WHAT IS THIS? SUBSECTION C OF WHAT? WHERE IT SAYS YOU GOT ONE, TWO THREE, FOUR, AND THEN BELOW THAT WILL BE FIVE AND SIX.
OKAY. SO CONTINUE TO SCROLL PLEASE.
OKAY. SO B, C, D, E, F, THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS, AND THEN THERE'S SUBSECTION FIVE. NO ACTUALLY IT'S JUST THE FOUR CONDITIONS WITH SOME SUB.
NO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
FOR A TOWNSHIP A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME SHALL BE ISSUED SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
CONDITION A IS LOCATED NO CLOSER THAN 15 1500 FEET TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING, AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE SMALL LETTER ROMAN NUMERALS BE APPROPRIATE. FENCING C MAINTAINS PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE VISIBLE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN THERE'S A D, E, F. CAN I THROW ANOTHER ONE? ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE PERMIT IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, AND IF THEY WERE TO CALL AND SAY, CAN I PUT A FENCE IN MY YARD AND I WOULD SAY, YES AND I WOULD SAY AND THEY WOULD SAY, WHAT CAN I DO? AND I'D SAY, YOU CAN PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE OF ANY MATERIAL UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
IS THAT COMMON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? I DON'T KNOW, FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I TAKE THAT CALL MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEARD, COMMISSIONER ROMBACK.
THIS MAY NOT BE FOR MR. SHORKEY, BUT DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THEY HAVE AN HOA IN THAT PARTICULAR? I SUSPECT SO.
OKAY. BECAUSE THAT, TO ME, COULD FACTOR INTO THAT.
MAINTAINS THE PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH VISIBLE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHATEVER WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS AN HOA HAS ON ESTHETICS IS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE HOA.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHORKEY? I HAVE ONE MORE.
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BROOKS AND JUST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT ONCE YOU APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY.YOU COULD CONDITION THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO EXPIRE IF THEY EVER VACATE THE PROPERTY.
IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, BECAUSE, SEE, IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG.
SO I TALKED TO THE STATE TODAY.
THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD CONDITION ACTUALLY.
MR. SHORKEY, DO YOU KNOW FROM YOUR OWN MEMORY THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A FAIR QUESTION, BUT SOME OF THE ISSUES RAISED IN COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON ARE THAT HASLETT IS PACKED WITH CHILDCARE CENTERS.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE IS TO THE PROPOSED NEW UNIT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT CLOSEST COMMERCIAL CHILDCARE CENTER IS.
I SAY AND I STAND BY THIS GOING THROUGH THE STATE DATABASE, THERE IS NO FAMILY OR GROUP DAYCARE DEFINED AS A RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN 1500FT OF THIS, AND THAT IS WHAT THE STATE IS CONCERNED WITH IN THIS ANGUAGE, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER WHAT NUMBER OF CHILDREN A GROUP IS 8 TO 14.
OKAY. SO UNDER SEVEN AND UNDER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THAT SPECIFICATION SEVEN OR I'M SORRY.
1500 FEET TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING.
THE FIRST ONE IS GROUP CHILDCARE HOMES.
SO A FAMILY DAYCARE HOME IS POSSIBLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THOSE.
RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, THOUGH.
SO WE WOULD KNOW IF IT WAS SEVEN AND UNDER AS WELL BASED ON THAT DATA.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I DIDN'T FIND ANY, BUT IT WOULDN'T THEORETICALLY SAY.
YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING IF THAT'S THEORETICALLY THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BASED ON STATUTE IF IT WAS NOT A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME, JUST A REGULAR HOME DAYCARE, LICENSED HOME DAYCARE A FAMILY DAYCARE IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
A GROUP DAYCARE IS NOT ALLOWED WITHIN 1500FT OF THIS IF THIS IS APPROVED.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ARE WE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? MY CONDOLENCES TO WHOEVER'S WRITING THE MINUTES.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING MY NAME.
I'M THE APPLICANT'S SON. I WILL BE SPEAKING ON OUR PROPERTY AND OUR BUSINESS.
AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, AND AS MR. SHORKEY MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE RAN OUR BUSINESS SINCE 2019 OVER AT QUARRY ROAD.
WE'VE RAN THAT BUSINESS VERY EFFICIENTLY.
YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE VERY HAPPY.
I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AS WELL AS NOISE.
YOU KNOW, THE CHILDREN ARE OUTSIDE.
OUR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR BACKYARD, PLAYING ON A PLAYGROUND.
SO THE NOISE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, IN A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY NOTICE IT THAT MUCH.
ANOTHER THING THAT EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FENCING.
NOW, THE FENCING IS THE MATERIALS ARE THERE.
WE'RE JUST WAITING ON CONTRACTORS TO COME OUT AND GET THAT INSTALLED.
SO THAT SHOULD BE THERE HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK IF THE WEATHER ALLOWS.
SO THAT ALL BEING SAID, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? I YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT ALL THE FAMILIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE TRANSFERRING WITH US, IF, YOU KNOW, THIS DOES GET APPROVED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE FENCING, PLEASE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
THANK YOU. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, AND THERE'S YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT.
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IT'S YOU KNOW OPAQUE.YOU HAVE CLASSROOMS. WHERE ARE THESE CLASSROOMS LOCATED INSIDE THAT HOUSE.
SO THE BASEMENT WOULD BE WHERE THE, THE ACTUAL USE OF THE DAYCARE IS AND IT'S NOT A FULL CLASSROOM PER SE. LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE A LIKE A SCHOOL WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DOORS AND TABLES AND CHAIRS.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS FOR DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS.
SO I KNOW THE YOUNGER ONES, WE HAVE LIKE ALMOST LIKE A A PLAY AREA FOR THEM WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, CRAWL AROUND AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR THING WHILE BEING, YOU KNOW, OBSERVED BY EITHER MY, MY FATHER, WHO ASSISTS MY MOTHER IN THE DAYCARE AND THEN THE OLDER CHILDREN HAVE THEIR OWN AREA TO PLAY IN JUST THAT WAY.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, COLLIDING WITH EACH OTHER OR WHATEVER.
AS WELL AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL TOYS AND TV.
SO HOW MANY EGRESS WINDOWS DO YOU HAVE IN THE BASEMENT? SO CURRENTLY WE GOT ONE INSTALLED.
THE OTHER ONE IS BEING INSTALLED AS WE SPEAK.
SO THERE WILL BE TWO EGRESS WINDOWS IN THAT BASEMENT AND ON EITHER END.
SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BASEMENT AS A BIG RECTANGLE ON EACH END OF THE RECTANGLE, THERE IS AN EGRESS WINDOW, AND HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND ARE THESE ACCESS WINDOWS? I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER FOR SURE, BUT IT DOES MEET THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT FOR THE DAYCARE APPROVAL, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE EXACT HEIGHT LIMIT IS. WELL, IS IT TOO HIGH FOR A CHILD TO REACH IT? I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR FEET, SO I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF IT IS OR NOT, BUT WHATEVER MEETS THE STATE REQUIREMENT. HOW DOES THE CHILD ACCESS A FOUR FOOT WINDOW FROM THE GROUND? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE STATE.
OKAY. ARE THOSE CLASSROOMS SEPARATED? I MEAN, IT'S A PLANE.
IT'S A PLANE. IT'S A WIDE OPEN THING.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD SEPARATE THEM IS MAYBE A BABY GATE, AND HOW MANY BABY GATES DO YOU HAVE SEPARATING THE CLASSROOMS? CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO TODDLERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A ONE FENCE ONE BABY GATE TO SEPARATE THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHAT ARE THE AGE RANGES OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU HANDLE? I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OLDEST CHILD WE HAVE IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD, AND THEN THEY RANGE BETWEEN, I BELIEVE, 12 MONTHS AND UP.
THANK YOU. YEP. I HAVE OH GO AHEAD.
COULD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING? YEAH. SO MOST OF THE.
SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE DAYCARE.
SO WE HAVE TWO SETS OF BROTHERS AND, YOU KNOW, SIBLINGS.
SO AND THEN THEY OBVIOUSLY LEAVE IN ONE CAR.
MOST OF THE TIME WHAT WE HAVE IS THE SCHEDULING FOR PICKUP AND DROP-OFF IS KIND OF ADJACENT.
YOU. YOU WANT TO DROP OFF YOUR KID AND OFF TO WORK, AND SAME THING WHEN YOU PICK THEM UP, RIGHT? YOU'RE COMING HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM WORK, YOU JUST WANT TO PICK UP YOUR CHILD, AND OFF YOU GO.
THIS IS THE MOST COMMON, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION WE HAVE IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE CHILD IS GOOD.
THIS HAPPENED, THIS HAPPENED, AND THEN OFF THEY GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE THERE EMPLOYEES OF THE FACILITY BESIDES THE RESIDENTS OF THE.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, OR ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
OKAY, AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF GREEN SHEETS HERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
SO I'LL READ YOUR NAME. I'LL SAY WHO'S ON DECK AFTERWARDS.
WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHTS ON THE TIMER.
THAT IS THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? ONE GENTLEMAN WHO REQUESTED TO GO FIRST BECAUSE IT'S TOO LATE, THOUGH.
OH BECAUSE THEY THAT PERSON'S PROBABLY GONE TO THE MEETING THEY NEEDED TO ATTEND.
SURE. WELL, THIS PERSON AND HE IS OUR FIRST PERSON.
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SO IF WE HURRY UP AND HE'S STILL HERE.SO FIRST ON DECK OR FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK IS JEFF KESTNER, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY HEIDI DOUGHERTY.
HE GAVE ME A STATEMENT TO READ, BUT I HAVE A FEELING SHE'S GOING TO SUM UP WHAT IS IN HIS LETTER.
SURE. IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
I'LL PUT THIS HERE AND THEN I'LL.
I CAN CALL ON YOU EITHER AFTER HEIDI OR AT WHATEVER POINT TO DO THAT.
PLEASE DON'T CALL ANY NAMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BE BE CIVIL AND WE ARE READY TO HEAR FROM YOU.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AS YOU GO.
I'M AT 1593 DOWNING STREET IN HASLETT.
THERE I AM, A 25 YEAR HOMEOWNER AND RESIDENT OF OLD ENGLISH ESTATES.
OKAY. SO AND BY THE WAY, 300FT, I'M STILL GOING TO HEAR THE NOISE WHEN I'M TWO HOUSES DOWN.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT DIRECTLY WILL HEAR IT.
I OBJECT STRONGLY AND LOUDLY FOR THE OPERATION OF A GROUP CHILDCARE HOME AT 1609 DOWNING STREET.
NEVER EVER PUT THIS IN AN ESTABLISHED, QUIET RESIDENTIAL SETTING.
UNFAIR FOR THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS.
SO QUIET. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROLS OR STREET LIGHTS AT HAVERSHAM OR TIMES OFF OF DOWNING, ADDING 14 PLUS CARS ON THE DROP OFF AND 14 PLUS ON THE INCREASE TO PICK THEM UP IS GOING TO ADD 500%.
A CHANGE OF TRAFFIC FLOW OF 500% TO THAT ONE BLOCK OF DOWNING STREET AND TO BOTH EXITS, THAT'S 500% INCREASE ALL YEAR LONG. FIVE DAYS A WEEK DOWNING IS ONLY THREE CARS WIDE, SO TRAFFIC WILL BE IMPEDED SEVERELY.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD.
LACK OF SECURITY FOR ALL THESE UNKNOWN CUSTOMERS.
ONE HOUSE, ALL THESE STRANGERS INVADING OUR WELL-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, WE HAVE NO STREET LIGHTS IN OLD ENGLISH.
THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THIS PLACE WILL GENERATE WITH 14 CHILDREN AND GRANGER ONLY COMES ONCE A WEEK.
INGHAM COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION, WHO REMOVES OUR SNOW SNOWPLOWS ARE RARELY SEEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND NOW WE ADD 30 CARS TO ONE HILLY BLOCK AND TWO EXITS ONLY EXITS OUT OF THE HOOD.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IS THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND INGHAM COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION DOWN BUT YET WE STILL PLAN TO FILL THESE POSITIONS THE WAY THEY GO AND, YOU KNOW, REDO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THIS WAY.
A MAJOR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON MY PROPERTY VALUE.
LACK OF PEOPLE WANTING TO PURCHASE MY HOUSE WITH A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
TWO DOORS DOWN WITH 14 KIDS IN THE BACKYARD.
THE REASON I STAY, THE REASON I PURCHASED MY HOME HERE WITH THE 55 MILE AN HOUR TIHART IN THE BACK, IN THE BACKYARD, I THINK THE PRIVACY FENCE NEEDS TO BE 12 FOOT TALL FOR THE ONES THAT LIVE WITHIN THE 300FT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THE KIDS IN THE BACKYARD.
PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS NIGHTMARE HAPPEN TO OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
30 STRANGERS INVADING MY HOME, MY SPACE.
I'M SCARED OF WHAT THIS IS BRINGING, AND I'M SCARED FOR MY SAFETY AND SECURITY AND HOME VALUES.
NEXT UP, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. KESTNER OR SHOULD I--IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING IN WRITING, WE CAN ENTER THAT INTO THE OKAY.
OR WE CAN TAKE THAT IN WRITING IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
NO, NO. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, WE CAN HAVE YOU.
THAT'S OKAY. THERE WAS ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PHILIP [INAUDIBLE].
I LIVE AT 5336 CHANTILLY LANE, OUTSIDE OF THE RADIUS OF NOTIFICATION.
I AM DEFINITELY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT NOT RECEIVING SOME TYPE OF NOTICE FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
FROM A GROUP HOME STANDPOINT, IT DOESN'T FIT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS, BUT THE GROUP LICENSING I HAVE TO STRONGLY OPPOSE, EVEN IF I'M OUTSIDE OF THE CIRCLE OF RADIUS.
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THE 1500 FOOT BUBBLE WOULD CREATE A PROTECTION, EXCEPT FOR THE FARTHEST HOUSE IN THE VERY BACK SUBDIVISION BACKING UP TO THE FOOTBALL OR SOCCER FIELD.IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GREAT INTENT, AND WE NEED HIGH QUALITY CHILDCARE IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT'S RELIABLE AND TRUSTWORTHY, AND PEOPLE THAT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
NEXT I HAVE LEAH ARENDT AND THEN JIM BRANDEL.
WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE AN HOA, AND THEN THERE ARE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT ADDRESS FENCING, AND THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO THE SUBDIVISION. SO I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR 1609 DOWNING, BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE.
WE ASSERT THAT SUCH A REQUEST IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH OUR SUBDIVISION AND WILL LEAD TO A CONTINUED NUISANCE NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING LOWER PROPERTY VALUES.
HIS NAME IS COREY ARNDT AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM RECEIPT.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
JIM BRANDEL AND THEN NEXT, AARON RUSTAD.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JIM BRANDEL.
I'M IN THE WAY BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION, SO I WANT TO TAKE IT COMMISSIONER SCALES IS THE ONLY ONE THAT LIVES IN OUR SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT'S. THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE FAMILY MOVING IN.
DOES THAT MAKE--IF IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER, CAN SOMEBODY CLARIFY IT AND DOES THE DISTINCTION MAKE A DIFFERENCE? WE DON'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DID WANT TO ASK HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE NOW OF CHILDREN? THE QUESTION THAT NOBODY ASKED, BUT THIS IS YOU SHARING YOUR OPINIONS.
THAT PUTS THE SUBDIVISION WORTH OVER $30 MILLION.
I'VE ALSO HEARD OF A NUISANCE CLAUSE IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A NUISANCE CLAUSE.
I WONDER IF THAT MAKES AN IMPACT WITH THESE 100 HOUSES, I GUARANTEE YOU, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO CARS.
I KNOW HEIDI SPOKE THAT THERE'S LITTLE TRAFFIC, BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO CARS IN EVERY HOME.
YOU'VE GOT OVER 200 CARS A DAY THAT ARE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
I SEE THEM PARKED ON THE STREET AT NIGHT, NOT ALWAYS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
RECENTLY, MY MOTHER IN LAW, WE CALLED 911 FOR AN EMERGENCY CALL ABOUT 7 A.M.
IF THAT STREET IS BLOCKED BECAUSE AN AMBULANCE IS TRYING TO GET THROUGH, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.
SO THERE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
I WONDER TOO, IS THERE TAX CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU RUN A CHILDCARE HOME? DOES THAT HELP OR HURT? ARE THERE ADDITIONAL TAXES PUT ON THAT FAMILY OR THAT HOME? I DON'T KNOW.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE STREET LIGHTS.
I AM TOO PERTURBED THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GET A NOTICE WITH THESE 100 OWNERS IN HERE THAT YOU ONLY ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE IT TO A HOMES, I'M TOLD WITH ABOUT 300FT OF THE HOUSE, THIS CROWD MIGHT BE A LOT LARGER, AND I FEEL LIKE, COULD YOU TAKE THE EFFORT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I'D RATHER THAN US HAVING TO SHARE IT WITH NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR THE VALUE OF THESE HOMES AND THE TAXES THAT WE PAY.
EVERYONE IN THE SUBDIVISION SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A NOTICE.
SO IF CARS BACK UP, THEY'RE GOING TO BACK UP RIGHT ONTO HAVERSHAM AND PAST THE FIRST HOUSE.
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SO IT'S NOT IN AN IDEAL LOCATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 30 CARS A DAY COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, AND THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU'VE EVER TAKEN A KID OR KIDS OUT OF A CHILDCARE SEAT AND PUT THEM BACK IN AND BUCKLE THEM DOWN, IT'S NOT A 1 OR 2 MINUTE PLAN.THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE AARON RUSTAD.
THERE YOU GO. YEAH MY NAME IS AARON RUSTAD.
YOU CALLED IT A BUSINESS, AND I'M SURPRISED WE COULD EVEN HAVE A BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BASED ON ALL THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE, I CAN'T EVEN HAVE GRASS GROWING ON MY SIDEWALK WITHOUT.
A LETTER FROM THE TOWNSHIP, BUT I DO OPPOSE.
I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON ITEM SIX ABOUT PARKING. I COULDN'T READ IT.
I DON'T THINK THE TVS ARE VERY BIG, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO.
HEAR ABOUT PARKING, AND IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ACCOMMODATING SO MANY PARKING SPOTS.
I KNOW WE CAN ONLY HOLD A COUPLE CARS IN OUR DRIVEWAY.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THEM DOWN THAT ROAD FOR THE NEIGHBOR'S SAKE.
WE ARE NOT A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOISE FROM 14 KIDS.
I'VE GOT TWO KIDS, AND I KNOW MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HEARD THEM, AND THAT'S PRETTY NORMAL, BUT 14 KIDS, THAT'S JUST WAY TOO MUCH FOR OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ENJOY A NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, AND UNBELIEVABLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS PROPOSAL FOR AN SUP.
MY DAUGHTERS BOTH GET ON THE SCHOOL BUS AT THAMES AND DOWNING, AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO HAVE IS 14 MORE PEOPLE DRIVING WITH THEIR FACE IN THEIR PHONE, NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ONE, THE SCHOOL BUSSES, BUT MY KIDS CROSSING THE STREET, WHICH IS NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC COMING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH FROM CORNELL THROUGH TIHART, THAT'S A REAL POPULAR HANGOUT FOR KIDS TO TAKE A RIGHT ONTO MARSH ROAD AND TURN INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH ANOTHER RIGHT.
TO 6 P.M., COMING DOWN TIAHRT FROM CORNELL, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME, AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE.
THAT IS ALL OF THE GREEN SHEETS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT? WHO HASN'T TURNED IN A SHEET? OKAY. IF YOU FILL OUT A SHEET, YOU CAN COME TO THE DESK AND SPEAK, BUT THEN IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A SHEET AND HAND IT TO MR. SHORKEY BEFORE YOU LEAVE TODAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, YOU CAN COME AND TALK FIRST.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS THAT BEFORE YOU.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE TODAY. THANK YOU.
NUMBER ONE, I REALLY PLEAD WITH YOU NOT TO ALLOW THIS EXPANDED DAYCARE.
AS STATED BY MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE HUGE.
MY HUSBAND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS NUMEROUS TIMES.
ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC.
WE HAD AN ICE RINK FOR THREE STRAIGHT DAYS LAST WEEK.
WE DO LIKE TO GET OUT AND WALK OUR DOGS, THEIR KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
PEOPLE CONSTANTLY ARE OUT AND ABOUT WITH THEIR KIDS AND DOGS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THOSE ROAD CONDITIONS COMBINED WITH THE LACK OF DAYLIGHT, AS HEIDI POINTED OUT IN THE MORNING, AND GRANTED, THAT'S TEMPORARY DECEMBER, JANUARY, I GET ALL THAT, BUT THERE WERE ALSO CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONED ABOUT BUSSES COMING IN.
I KNOW ONE NEIGHBOR EXPRESSED HIS CONCERN ABOUT HIS KIDS GOING TO THE BUS STOPS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO BUS STOPS AT THAMES, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AT DOWNING, NEAR WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ENTER TO DROP OFF THEIR KIDS IN THE MORNING.
ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT IS A TIME FOR ANOTHER MEETING IS THE RENTAL THAT IS APPROVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED INCREASED DAYCARE CONSTANTLY HAS A MINIMUM OF TWO VEHICLES EVERY NIGHT PARKED ON THE STREET RIGHT NEXT DOOR, ONE OF THEM UNLICENSED.
IT'S AGAIN TIME FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
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I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S KIND OF DEVIATING FROM WHAT OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS ON TODAY.SO IF YOU COULD STICK TO THE TOPIC, THE CAR IS PARKED THERE PERMANENTLY, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE ENTERING ON BOTH SIDES OF DOWNING STREET, IT MAKES IT THAT MUCH MORE OF A NIGHTMARE WITH CARS COMING IN AND OUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK MY PIECE.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE DAYCARE BUSINESSES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING AND IT JUST INCREASES THE GENERAL TRAFFIC FLOW ON OUR STREET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE MY OPINION, AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT JEFF, WHO HAD TO LEAVE ON THE BOTTOM OF HIS NOTE, WAS ALSO REQUESTING A NEW PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE DID NOT ALL RECEIVE A NOTICE IN OUR SUBDIVISION, MAINLY JUST A FEW HOUSES.
SO HE JUST FELT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO CONVEY TO YOU THAT AS ALL OF US HAVE SAID, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE WHOLE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWING ABOUT THIS. THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WHO HASN'T? OKAY.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 720 AND THEN MR. SHORKEY, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP IN SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS.
THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE DO BECAUSE WE FOLLOW STATE LAW.
THE STATE REQUIRES A 300 THAT I WHEN I'M DOING MY NOTICES THAT I GO 1500 FEET OR EXCUSE ME, THAT'S A DIFFERENT 300FT OUT FROM THE BORDER OF THAT.
I COME UP WITH THAT. I'VE GOT THAT DOCUMENTED IN THE FOLDER.
300FT IS THE LEGAL NOTIFICATION DISTANCE THAT COMES FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND IN THE MICHIGAN ZONING ENABLING ACT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOLLOW IN THE TOWNSHIP, HAVE FOLLOWED FOR AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN THE REQUIREMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT OTHER LOCAL UNITS OF GOVERNMENT AND OKAY, AND TO DEVIATE FROM THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES COULD BE USED TO OPEN YOURSELF UP TO, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THAT.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ROMBACK. SO, THEORETICALLY, IF ONE WERE TO CHALLENGE THE NOTICE PROVISION, IS THIS BOARD THE PARTICULAR IS THIS BOARD THE CORRECT VENUE TO CHALLENGE THE IDEA THAT YOU DID NOT HIT THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE UNDER THE STATUTE? IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO.
IT'S A THEORETICAL. I'M NOT SAYING I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR FOR NOTICE, MORE OR LESS.
I WOULD DIRECT THEM TO INTERIM DIRECTOR SCHMITT.
OKAY. WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO CALL OUR TOWNSHIP ATTORNEYS IF HE NEEDS TO.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING TRYING TO DETERMINE VENUE FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY WISH TO CHALLENGE.
THIS IS NOT WHERE WE. THIS IS NOT WHERE WE WOULD CHANGE THAT.
CORRECT. YEAH. WELL, AND THE CHANGING IS WHAT I THINK YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT.
YOU WERE ASKING IF IF SOMEBODY FELT LIKE WE HAD NOT EVEN COMPLIED WITH THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD GO TO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO CALL ME AND SEE MY VERIFY MY ADDRESS LIST.
THAT'S NOT HOW I HEARD THE QUESTION.
I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER SCALES, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? I'M CONVINCED YOU NOTIFIED THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
THE OTHER ISSUE THERE IS THAT A DECISION IS NOT GOING TO BE MADE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, AND I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN BOMBARDED WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION AREA, BUT WE ARE BOUND BY STATE LAW TO FOLLOW THE STATE LAW, NOT EXPAND THE STATE LAW, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS NOTIFIED ME AND I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD PROCESS, BUT IT'S THE ONLY PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, AND WE MUST STICK TO IT.
OKAY. IF YOU COULD PUT THE MAP OF THE AREA UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US, PLEASE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? QUESTION TO THE CHAIR.
WE DON'T TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
NOW, THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION OF PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING
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AND ALSO, AS COMMISSIONER SCALES MENTIONED, THIS IS NOT THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS WILL BE DECIDED.SO WE ARE HEARING THINGS TONIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IN THE DISCUSSION.
THE SOONEST THIS WOULD BE VOTED ON, IT WOULD BE AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE IN JANUARY.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ON ITEM SEVEN ON THE AGENDA.
YOUR NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WOULD BE ITEM 12.
AS YOU CAN SEE, 1609 IS WHERE THE DOT IS CORRECT, AND THAT'S ON DOWNING STREET. DOWNING STREET TEES OFF AT HAVERSHAM.
CORRECT. TIHART ROAD IS THE ACCESS TO OLD ENGLISH ESTATES NORMALLY COMING FROM THE WEST, WHICH WOULD BE MARSH ROAD? CORRECT. WHEN YOU TURN YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO 1609 COMING OFF A MARSH, YOU'RE GOING TO TURN NORTH ON HAVERSHAM, EAST ON DOWNING STREET.
NOTE THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
THERE IS NO YIELD SIGN THERE, THERE IS NO SIGN, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT WE HEARD 14 CARS AND 14 CARS.
NO, THAT'S 28 CARS AND 28 CARS, BECAUSE THAT'S 14 GOING TO DROP OFF AND LEAVING ANOTHER 14 COMING TO PICK THEM UP AND LEAVING, AND THAT IS 56 ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
ALSO, I DID HEAR IT BROUGHT FORTH, I THINK HEIDI BROUGHT THAT FORTH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ABUZZ WITH THIS MORNING AND THAT WAS 7 A.M.
NONE, NOT A STREETLIGHT EXISTS IN OLD ENGLISH ESTATES, AND THIS IS A NEW SUBDIVISION.
FURTHER, IT WAS EXPANDED THROUGH 2002, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I SEE.
READILY APPARENT TRAFFIC NOISE, NO STREETLIGHTS.
THE ISSUES THAT I HEARD IN THE HOUSE.
NOT APPROPRIATE, NOT APPROPRIATE EGRESS ACCESS.
HOW DO THEY GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE IF THEY'RE IN THE BASEMENT AND THE HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE.
IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY? I WAS GOING TO SAY I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
THAT IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF LRA AND ITS LICENSURE OF A DAYCARE OF ALL TYPES OF DAYCARE.
THERE ARE STATE LAWS, AGAIN, THAT REGULATE WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR SAFETY IN THAT TYPE OF A FACILITY, AND THAT'S, I THINK, OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO TALK ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER BROOKS, DID YOU WANT TO.
SO IF THERE'S UP TO 14 CHILDREN, SO THERE'S 14 INBOUND CARS AND THEY'RE LEAVING.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S ONE TRIP AND IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF 100 HOUSES WITH TWO VEHICLES APIECE.
I GUESS IN MY MIND, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS A DRASTIC CHANGE IN THAT PROFILE AT THAT POINT, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS JUST IF THIS IS A LEGITIMATE USE IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE TOWNSHIP, WHERE IS A PLACE TO PUT IT? LIKE WHERE DOES IT GO? THAT DOESN'T CREATE THIS SITUATION TRAFFIC OR NOISE? YEAH, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WHEN ARE CHILDREN NEGATIVE NOISE OR A NOISE VIOLATION, ESPECIALLY LIVING ON THE STREET THAT I LIVE ON WHICH THERE ARE AT LEAST 14 CHILDREN ON WITHIN SIX HOUSES.
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SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ONE EITHER, AND I'M OPEN TO ANY INTERPRETATION IN EITHER OF THOSE TWO ISSUES.THANK YOU. YEAH. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY SIMPLE.
TRAFFIC IS NOT ONE OF THE STANDARDS.
EGRESS WINDOWS. NOT ONE OF THE STANDARDS.
LIGHTING. NOT ONE OF THE STANDARDS.
YOU'RE PRESUMED DROPPING IN YOUR HOME VALUES.
WHETHER YOU LIKE THAT OR NOT ALSO DOESN'T MATTER.
I'M NOT TRYING TO COME ACROSS AS CALLOUS, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
SO IF WE WERE VOTING TONIGHT, SO LONG AS THE FENCE WERE CONSTRUCTED, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY STANDARD THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BE MET YET, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLUMER QUESTION FOR STAFF.
THE PETITIONERS RAN AN OPERATION THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED IN 2019.
SO THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS IN THIS TOWNSHIP FOR THREE YEARS AT LEAST.
SURE. IN YOUR POSITION, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WERE FILED AGAINST THEM AFTER THEY STARTED OPERATION IN THEIR PREVIOUS LOCATION? NO, I ASKED I LOOKED THAT UP ON THE STATE'S DATABASE.
I DID SPEAK TO SOMEONE AT LRA TODAY.
THERE'S NO THERE'S NO HISTORY OF.
THEY'VE BEEN THEY FOLLOWED THEIR REQUIRED INSPECTION SCHEDULE.
THEY'VE HAD THINGS COME UP THAT HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.
THEY CAN LET THEM SPEAK TO SPECIFICS, BUT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN IN VIOLATION.
BEFORE YOU GO, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER FIRST COMMENTS.
OKAY. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ROMBACK.
JUST ONE MORE. SO I DID NOTICE IN THE STATUTE WHEN THEY HAD IT UP A MINUTE AGO.
THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SIGNAGE.
I TAKE IT THERE'S NO REQUIRED SIGNAGE FOR A BUSINESS LIKE THIS WITHIN TOWNSHIP.
OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE EITHER.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE IT.
THE STATUTE IS A SHALL STATUTE.
IT LIMITS OUR IT LIMITS OUR VIEW.
IT LIMITS WHAT RANGE WE CAN HAVE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SCALES.
I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER WAS SPEAKING ABOUT.
WASN'T THAT PREVIOUS PERMIT ONLY FOR SEVEN CHILDREN? NO, IT WAS NOT.
IT WAS NOT. IT WAS SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
THE STATE AMENDED THEIR LANGUAGE TO GO UP TO 14.
WE DID A TEXT AMENDMENT IN 2023 TO FOLLOW SUIT.
STATE STILL SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE 12 KIDS ON THEIR WEBSITE, BUT THEY CAN GO UP TO 14.
OKAY, AND CAN YOU GO OVER THE SIX? IS IT 6 OR 7 POINTS THAT WE'RE BOUND BY? YES. THANK YOU.
FIRST ONE IS THAT THE GROUP CHILDCARE IS LOCATED.
GROUP CHILDCARE HOME IS LOCATED NO CLOSER THAN 1500FT, AS MEASURED ALONG A PUBLIC STREET TO ANOTHER LICENSED GROUP CHILDCARE HOME AND ADULT FOSTER CARE HOME OR LARGE GROUP HOME FACILITY OFFERING SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT AND REHABILITATION TO SERVICE SEVEN OR MORE PEOPLE.
A COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS CENTER, A HALFWAY HOME RESIDENT HOME OR OTHER SIMILAR FACILITY.
NUMBER TWO HAS APPROPRIATE FENCING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IN THE GROUP HOME.
IN THE GROUP CHILDCARE HOME IS DETERMINED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S WHERE STAFF STRONGLY RECOMMENDS SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE.
THREE MAINTAINS THE PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE VISIBLE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BANNERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE FENCE IS WHAT ANYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALLOWED TO BUILD.
LOCAL UNIT OF GOVERNMENT MAY LIMIT BUT NOT PROHIBIT, THE OPERATION.
BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 P.M, AND 6 A.M., THEY MEET THAT THEIR 7 A.M.
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TO 5 P.M.REGULATIONS GOVERNING SIGNS USED BY GROUP CHILDCARE HOME TO IDENTIFY ITSELF, AND LIKE I'VE EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU MEETS REGULATIONS IF ANY REQUIRING GROUP CHILDCARE HOME OPERATOR PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING ACCOMMODATIONS HIS OR HER EMPLOYEES.
NUMBER ONE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES.
NUMBER TWO, WE DON'T HAVE GROUP CHILDCARE HOME IN OUR OFF STREET PARKING ORDINANCE.
HAVING SAID THAT, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT.
LET'S SEE. MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THE CORRECT ANSWER. TWO CAR GARAGE.
PARKING IS ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF DOWNING STREET.
SO OUR RESIDENTIAL STANDARD IS TWO PARKING SPOTS.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
TELL ME ABOUT THIS FENCE THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? AS THE. I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK SPECIFICALLY, BUT I THINK HE SAID THAT IT WAS SIX FOOT PVC MATERIAL.
SO CAN YOU SEE THROUGH THIS FENCE? NO, IT IS OPAQUE.
OKAY. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE DEED FOR THAT SUBDIVISION, AND IT DOES NOT ALLOW A FENCE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THROUGH.
IF THAT. LIKE IF THERE'S A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.
I KNOW THERE'S NO HOME THAT THEY SAID THERE'S NO HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? SURE. WE HEARD ABOUT OFFSITE PARKING IN THE EVENT THAT THE PROPOSED FACILITY WOULD REQUIRE IT, AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD WERE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARS ALREADY PARKED ON THE STREET.
PARKING IS ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ALL HOURS, ALL YEAR.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IS THAT IT SAYS IF A SNOW EMERGENCY IS DECLARED, THEN THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THEIR CARS OFF THE STREET.
THAT IS THE THAT IS THE THERE'S NO OTHER.
NOW, THE ISSUE OF THE UNTAGGED CAR IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.
THAT IS IN OUR THAT IS ON THE RADAR OF OUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY, AND PARKING PER SE IS ALLOWED ON THE STREET, AND SIMILARLY, IF THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE OPERABLE TO BE PARKED EITHER ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR TO CONSIDER WHETHER A CONFLICT, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH BUS STOPS ARE SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AND INFORM THEIR PLAN, THAT MIGHT BE WELCOME.
I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION, AND FINALLY, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY AT THE COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT DECIDED TO COME THROUGH AND JUST LITTER OUR SUBDIVISION WITH STOP SIGNS. WE USED TO HAVE YIELD SIGNS AND THEY YANKED THEM OFF, AND PEOPLE LOVED DRIVING THROUGH THEM.
MAN, THEY JUST SO I'M A YEAH SORRY, I'M DONE.
HAVING LIVED ON A REALLY BUSY STREET IN LANSING WHEN I WAS A LANSING RESIDENT, THEY INSTALLED A STOP SIGN AND IT BECAME MORE DANGEROUS IN CERTAIN REGARDS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE BLOW THROUGH THEM AND YOU EXPECT THEM TO STOP.
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DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT, GIVEN WHAT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SNYDER AND COMMISSIONER ROMBACK, THAT THE STATUTE IS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT SHALL APPROVE PROVIDED CONDITIONS ARE MET AND THOSE ARE OUTSIDE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
SO MY INCLINATION, HEARING WHAT I'VE HEARD AND KNOWING WHAT I KNOW WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TO APPROVE THIS WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US FOR A VOTE, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A DIRECTION THAT ALLOWS THAT COMPLIES WITH THE LAW.
COMMISSIONER SNYDER THOSE OF US WHO WERE SERVING ON THE COMMISSION THE LAST TIME THAT WE SAW THIS, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM THIS APPLICANT, I DON'T I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE RECALLS THIS THE WAY I DO.
THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER WAS SO I COULD GO BACK AND FIND THOSE MINUTES, BECAUSE I REMEMBER FINDING THAT TO BE SUCH A TERRIFIC SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMUNITY MEMBER.
RIGHT. WHICH WOULD ALSO REDUCE TRAFFIC.
2022, 071 WOULD HAVE BEEN LATER IN THE YEAR.
I CAN GET YOU A SPECIFIC DATE, IN FACT.
YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE I DON'T KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE LATER IN 2022.
THANK YOU. IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE FINDING IT, JUST EMAIL ME.
YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE. COMMISSIONER ROMBACK.
JUST ONE MORE FINAL COMMENT TO COMMISSIONER SCALES.
IF THERE IS A COVENANT OR SOMETHING AROUND THERE, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT TO ME, THAT COULD GO TO THE FACTOR ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, SIR.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND BRING TO ANY SUBSEQUENT MEETING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LAYING OUT HERE, WE HAVE SIX FACTORS WE CAN LOOK AT.
RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO RAISE SOMETHING UNDER.
GRANTED, THAT ALL GOES UNDER, BUT I CAN SAY I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH.
THEY SEEM TO FOLLOW EVERY RULE AND EVERY REGULATION THAT AT LEAST I CAN LOOK AT FOR PUBLIC SEARCH.
THE COVENANT IS AND WOULD BE AT LEAST INTRIGUING SINCE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OCCURRED TO ME IF IT IS FOUND OUT, IF SOMEBODY INVESTIGATES THE DEED AND COMES TO ME AND SAYS, HEY, THIS IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE OPAQUE.
I WOULD BRING THAT BACK ON JANUARY 13TH.
THAT'S THEIR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 13TH.
I BRING THAT BACK AND SAY, IS THIS STILL ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? IF IT IS NOT, THAT IS A STANDARD.
THANK YOU. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES, IT DOES, AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO A PRIOR COMMENT I MADE ABOUT THE MAILING.
MY COMMENT WAS NOT TO NOT TO IMPLY THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF DID NOT PROPERLY MAIL NOTICE.
IT WAS JUST A THEORETICAL DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE TO GO.
SHOULD THEY DISAGREE. IT'S OKAY.
OKAY, I HAVE EVERY TRUST AND CONFIDENCE THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE THAT NOTED FOR THE RECORD.
I'LL LOOK FOR THAT IN THE MINUTES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SCALES.
FOR THE RECORD, I TOO RESEARCH THIS BUTTERFLIES, TELL ME AGAIN, BUT TERFLIES GROUP CHILDCARE HOME.
YES, I RESEARCHED THAT, AND I FOUND THAT YOU OPERATE VERY WELL, AND THAT'S IMPRESSIVE AND I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, THAT I'M SAYING THAT WHAT I'M BRINGING FORWARD IS YOU BOUGHT THAT HOUSE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND YOU MOVED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 2025 YEARS, AND NOBODY REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BRING HERE, AND THAT NOT HAVING DONE THAT CREATED A LOT OF PUSHBACK IMMEDIATELY WHEN PEOPLE HEARD ABOUT THIS AND THEY HEARD ABOUT IT, NOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
THEY HEARD ABOUT IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE.
WHICH AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T HELP, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, AND NOW TO THE COVENANT, THE HOUSE TO THE WEST OF THAT HOUSE, WHICH IS THE CORNER HOUSE.
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SOMETHING I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU, BECAUSE ON JANUARY 13TH, I WILL BE BACK HERE AND I WILL NOT BE A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AND I'LL BE STANDING RIGHT THERE IN YOUR FACE SAYING, I OPPOSE THIS.I CAN WRITE THAT INTO THE STATUTE.
I WILL DO THAT ON THE SEVENTH.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR TO BE SHOWN THAT I WILL BRING THAT AND THEN IF I SAY, WELL, THEY CAN'T DO AN OPAQUE BECAUSE OF A COVENANT.
DO YOU GUYS STILL ACCEPT THAT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION? WE ARE RECOMMENDING A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE.
I WILL LOOK FOR, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ACCESS TO.
YEAH, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT COMES.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
IF THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE, THAT'S NOT, BUT YES, IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS RELEVANT TO THIS IS SHARED WITH MR. SHORKEY IN ADVANCE OF OUR NEXT MEETING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT, AND THEN, JUST AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THERE IS A STATEWIDE SHORTAGE OF CHILDCARE AND I, AGREE THAT IT IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO BE NEIGHBORLY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE.
WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DO. OR, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HOW THIS IS ADDRESSED.
SO I ENCOURAGE THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE OPEN TO, BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO BE OPEN TO THAT AND DON'T GO IN WITH PRECONCEIVED OPINIONS THAT DON'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND DIALOG, AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS THERE ARE THINGS IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH NOISE, WE HAVE NOISE ORDINANCES THAT CAN BE ENFORCED AND ADDRESSED, AND AGAIN, NEIGHBOR CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING TO HELP MORE THAN ANY STATUTORY ANYTHING RULE OR REGULATION.
SO JUST THESE CONCERNS ARE REAL AND GENUINE, AND IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO PRESERVE THE SANCTITY AND THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO JUST REMEMBER THAT KIDS ARE NEIGHBORS TOO, AND THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT FAMILIES WHO HAVE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE HOME BASED BUSINESSES.
MS. CHAIR, MAY I ADDRESS ONE POINT THAT DIDN'T COME UP DURING THIS CONVERSATION.
IT DID GET BROUGHT UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS NOT A NEW APPLICATION.
THIS IS NOT AN APPROVING OF AN APPLICATION.
I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE STATE THAT THE QUARRY ROAD APPLICATION WILL GET CLOSED.
IT IS NOT THE SAME APPLICATION, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH THAT PROPERTY AND MAKING SURE THAT PROPERTY IS SAFE FOR THAT. THAT IS YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED PROPERLY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON? AND OR ARE PEOPLE READY TO DO A STRAW VOTE NOW, OR IS THERE ENOUGH UNANSWERED INFORMATION OR PENDING INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO WAIT TO DO THIS STRAW VOTE ON ? I GOT ONE LITTLE TINY ONE AND ONE BIG ONE.
SO THE MORE WE CAN LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T ALLOWED SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE TREATING EACH OTHER ALL NEIGHBORS EQUITABLY, I THINK THAT'S USEFUL, AND I'D LIKE TO DIVERGE WITH THE CHAIR.
OH, YES, I ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
ALL OF US ARE STRANGERS WHEN WE MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE'RE NOT ALL INVADING, AND I DON'T FIND THAT APPROACH CONSTRUCTIVE, AND THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT CIVIL CONVERSATION, AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT TO SAY THAT, WELL, I WILL SAY THAT.
THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE OKAY THEN ARE WE READY TO DO A STRAW VOTE? OKAY. THOSE WHO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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AYE. THOSE WHO WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS.AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT ANYBODY WHO CARES TO SHARE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING? THROUGH THE THROUGH THE STAFF OR WHO COMES TO THE NEXT MEETING? AND AT THAT MEETING, IT WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT WILL BE SPEAKING DURING THAT FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHEN YOU COME.
SO MAKE SURE WE'LL SAY THAT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS, BUT THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED, AND WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT, OR WE'LL DECIDE THAT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND AREN'T READY TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR APPLICANT AND TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CAME TO SHARE TODAY, AND IF THERE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT LATER IN THE MEETING, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FURTHER AT THAT POINT.
NOW WE ARE AT UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND WE HAVE NONE, AND THEN WE MOVE TO OTHER BUSINESS OFF STREET PARKING DISCUSSION.
[9.A. Off-street Parking Discussion]
OFF STREET PARKING.THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TODAY.
I APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MEETING.
WELL I HAVE TO BRING THIS TO YOU.
LAST, LAST MEETING, WE BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION TO YOU.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ASKED US TO LOOK AT WAS OTHER COMMUNITIES.
CITY OF HOWELL HAS A REDUCED PARKING STANDARD THAT CAME UP IN CONVERSATION.
SPECIFICALLY, THEIR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS EXEMPT FROM THE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARD.
THEY DID THAT AFTER SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH AND SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT PARKING.
CITY OF ANN ARBOR PASSED A NO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR ALL USES, STATING SPECIFICALLY THAT WILL LEAD TO LAND BEING USED MORE EFFICIENTLY. THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT HOUSING IS DIFFICULT, AND THEY HOPE TO DEVELOP MORE PLACES FOR RESIDENTIAL USES BY NOT HAVING PARKING STANDARDS.
THEY'RE ALSO HOPING TO REDUCE NUMBER OF VEHICLES OR ROADS.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT CITY OF KALAMAZOO REMOVED THE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
A LOT OF TIMES ANYWAY, THEY DID ESTABLISH ALSO PARK MAXIMUM PARKING STANDARDS FOR ALL LAND USES IN THE CITY AND THEN CITY OF MARQUETTE, I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
THEY CREATED A MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO NO MORE THAN 20% GREATER THAN THE MINIMUM WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
IF YOUR MINIMUM IS 100 AND YOU WANT TO GO 120, THAT'S GREAT.
IF YOU WANT TO 125, YOU NOW NEED PERMISSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO THAT.
IN ADDITION, MARQUETTE'S ORDINANCE INCLUDED THAT PARKING REDUCTION FORMULA THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO THAT ALLOWS REDUCTIONS IN MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING.
SO THEY GOT TWO THINGS GOING ON.
NO MORE THAN 20% HIGHER, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A WAY TO LOWER YOUR MINIMUM.
WITH THAT CALCULATION I HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AND SEEN IF THAT CALCULATION WORKS FOR US OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PERSONALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST UNIQUE APPROACH TO IT AND I LIKED I LIKE THE IDEA OF A SLIDING SCALE LIKE THAT.
WHATEVER NUMBER YOU LANDED ON, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE APPROACH.
YOU ALSO ASKED FOR A COMPARISON OF OUR STANDARDS, OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, VERSUS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
THAT IS JUST A IT WAS JUST TOO DIFFICULT THAT THING MORPHED SO MANY TIMES.
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I LOOKED AT HASLETT VILLAGE.HASLETT VILLAGE CURRENT SITE PLAN SHOWS 148 ONE BEDROOM UNITS, 142 UNITS WITH 2 OR 3 BEDROOMS AND 21,750FT² OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, EACH ONE OF THOSE ONE BEDROOM UNITS IS TWO SPOTS PER 296 SPACES.
EACH ONE OF THE OTHER BEDROOM UNITS IS TWO SPOTS PER.
WE HAVE A 25% OVERFLOW REQUIREMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
THE TOTAL REQUIREMENT IS 834 SPACES.
UNDER THE NUMBERS WE SHOWED YOU LAST WEEK, 148 ONE BEDROOM UNITS AT ONE AND A HALF SPOTS PER UNIT IS ONLY 222 SPACES, 142 OTHER UNITS IS THE SAME 284 SPACES.
THERE'S NO OVERFLOW REQUIREMENT.
AS POINTED OUT, ONE SPACE PER 1000FT IS THE SAME AS FIVE SPACES.
THERE'S A TYPO IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
109 SPACES FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
SO UNDER THE NUMBERS WE SHOWED YOU, YOU GET 615 REQUIRED SPACES.
SO EITHER WAY, THEY NEED A WAIVER.
THE WAIVER WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PUD PROCESS.
UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
THAT WAIVER WAS FOR 329 SPACES.
UNDER THE NUMBERS WE SHOWED YOU, THE WAIVER IS 110 SPACES.
SO YOU END UP IN THE SAME PLACE IN THIS CASE, BUT IT'S A SMALLER IT'S A SMALLER WAIVER.
THE OTHER EXAMPLE, WHICH I DIDN'T WRITE UP HERE, BUT I MENTIONED BRIEFLY, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK THIS GETS TO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE POINT OF THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVE THE REZONING FOR A POTENTIAL QUADPLEX ON HASLETT ROAD LAST YEAR-ISH.
THAT NUMBER DROPS TO EIGHT REQUIRED SPACES, WHICH MIGHT HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO WORK WITH THE ROAD DEPARTMENT AND OR THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER OFFICE DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW.
BETTER BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE MORE OPEN SPACE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT COME TO MIND.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A SIT DOWN IN THE STAFF ON STAFF LEVEL, BUT WE'RE FEELING LIKE EARLY NEXT YEAR WE CAN BRING YOU SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE TO REALLY START TALKING ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. GO FOR IT.
WE'RE REALLY GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS HERE.
I RECALL TWO PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE INTERN.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE DRILL DOWN ON A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT TIME WE LOOK AT THIS? WE CAN CALL, I GUESS.
I MEAN, THEIR ORDINANCES ARE STILL IN THE BOOKS.
THEY'RE ALSO FAIRLY NEW ORDINANCES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A USE, HOW MUCH OF A FEEL THEY HAVE, BUT IF YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK THERE'S A CONNECTION AROUND HERE TO HOWELL EITHER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR ELSEWHERE.
YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF MR. SCHMIDT WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED.
DIRECTOR SCHMITT USED TO WORK IN THE CITY OF HOWELL.
THAT WAS WHEN I STILL HAD HAIR, SIR.
WELL, YEAH, AND I ALSO RECALL SOME QUESTIONS IN OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO PICK THE RIGHT PEER COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT AND WHETHER HOWELL IS THE RIGHT ONE OR SOME OTHER WAS THE RIGHT ONE.
SO THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A PERFECT ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF AMONG PLANNERS ON THE ON THE DOWN LOW, YOU CAN GET SOME IDEA ABOUT HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT, YOU CAN REACH OUT AND MAYBE I THINK MARQUETTE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR HEAR FROM YOUR COLLEAGUE OR SIMILAR FROM THERE, TOO, BUT SEEMS LIKE THEY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT.
WHEN YOU START PUTTING LIKE MATH AND RATIOS IN THERE, THAT'S WHEN YOU KIND OF GO, ALL RIGHT, YOU WERE THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO TACKLE, AND YOU ATTACHED MATH TO IT TO EITHER GIVE YOURSELF MORE OR LESS DISCRETION.
[01:30:08]
THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL MEDIA SOURCES OUT THERE THAT COULD, AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET AT THIS, BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS AS OPPOSED TO JUST LOOKING AT THINGS ON THE WEBSITE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT IS LIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING MOSTLY AT REDEVELOPMENT OF CURRENT SPACES? LIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE IN HASLETT, WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY FLATTENING TO A PARKING LOT AND THEN REBUILDING, OR ARE YOU DOING INFILL AND EXISTING, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE ANN ARBOR IS SO BUILT UP THAT I CAN SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF THAT TO HAVE MORE BUILDABLE SPACE, AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY, AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK FOR A COMPARABLE COMMUNITY, IS THERE ONE LIKE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP THAT HAS DEVELOPABLE SPACE LIKE OURS? BECAUSE THIS ONLY GETS TRIGGERED WHEN WE'RE DOING SITE PLAN REVIEW.RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO RETROACTIVE ON CURRENT BUSINESSES.
OH, YEAH. SO IT'S ONLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING NEW COMING IN OR SOMETHING BEING CHANGED, AND SO LOOKING FOR PLACES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP IN THAT REGARD, AND CAN WE USE THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO YOU KNOW, HELP BRING IN BUSINESS AND MAKE THE COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO BE VIBRANT? SURE. AS OPPOSED TO JUST SORT OF DOING IT FOR DOING IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WANT TO USE IT AS AN INCENTIVE OR AS A TOOL TO ATTRACT AND MAINTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE.
THAT LIKE BUT AGAIN, IF THAT'S TOO HARD TO FIGURE OUT, WE CAN JUST CURIOUS.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.
YEAH. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.
WELL, I THINK THAT COMES BACK TO WHAT WE STARTED TO GET AT LAST TIME, THOUGH.
I THINK THOUGH, IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE WHAT DO WE SEE AS THE PURPOSE FOR THIS? LIKE, IS IT JUST TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES? IS IT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? IF IT'S FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY, THEN THERE IS GOING TO LIKELY BE A DIFFERENT ANSWER TO HOW WE WOULD WANT TO SHAPE THE ORDINANCE.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT EFFECTS AT DIFFERENT SCALES.
SO THERE'S THE MALL TYPES, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS BLOW UP, BUT I DO THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE POTENTIALLY AND HOW WE SHAPE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY.
YOU HAVE THIS AS A STATED GOAL IN YOUR MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT THE WHY OF THAT? I CAN LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH. THERE'S SOME TEXT THERE.
YEAH. YEAH, BUT I'M JUST LET ME.
I WANT GOOD TRUCKIN DINER HERE.
IT'S DELICIOUS. IT IS VERY GOOD.
IT NEEDS TO BE, LIKE, TEN TIMES THE SIZE.
YES. WELL, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO THE OLD CREOLE, BUT WE HAVE TANTE NOW.
THAT WAS GOOD. YEAH, I THINK THE WHY IS HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE AND THAT'S REALLY ILLUSTRATIVE OF LIKE, THE DIFFERENCE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU SAY HOW MANY THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE, THEY WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND SO THE BENEFIT TO CHANGING IT WOULD BE MAKING IT SIMPLER FOR SOMEBODY TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, OR MAKING IT LESS ONEROUS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER DEVIATION OR WAIVER OR IS IT REALLY TO INCENTIVIZE WHAT WE THINK IS BETTER, WHICH IS FEWER PARKING AND TRYING TO PUSH FOR MORE ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF TRANSPORTATION, RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE SHOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND MORE BIKE RIDING AND MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES AND ALL THAT.
SO I HAD A HARD TIME THINKING OF A GOOD LARGE SCALE EXAMPLE, AND MAYBE HASLETT VILLAGE ISN'T THE BEST EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT IS AN MUPUD, AND YOU DO ALLOW THOSE WAIVERS AND TRADES FOR AMENITIES IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID.
I MEAN, BUT BUT LIKE GRAND RESERVE IS BEING BUILT.
WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM STANDARD TWO PARKING SPOTS PER BECAUSE THOSE ARE MULTIPLE BEDROOM UNITS, RIGHT? SILVERLEAF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, TWO SPOTS.
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THAT WAS ON THE BOOKS.I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR AFIELD.
I COULD START TALKING HYPOTHETICALS.
OKAY, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU WANT ME TO GO UP THAT RABBIT HOLE.
YOU ASKED FOR AN EXAMPLE, AND I PROVIDED THIS IS HELPFUL, AND I THINK IT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF THINKING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SORT OF ON A COURSE THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN BRINGING SOME STUFF BACK FOR US TO LOOK AT AND START TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I ACTUALLY YOUR COMMENTS MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE, THE WORK THAT YOU DID PREVIOUSLY THOUGH, THAT YOU AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF ANYONE ELSE HELPED BUT THAT YOU DID WITH LOOKING AT HOW MUCH DEVELOPABLE SPACE WE HAVE LEFT.
YEAH. THE CURRENT LAND USE ANALYSIS.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE HOW NECESSARILY TO COMBINE THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BUT I STILL I STILL REALLY THINK AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM FOR DOING THIS EVEN WITHIN THIS BODY IS, BUT FOR US TO GIVE A SET OF GUIDING IDEAS, LIKE TO SAY WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON, TO START OFF LIKE WE WOULD SAY, WE WANT TO FOCUS ON MID-SCALE TO SMALL-SCALE PROJECTS AND WE WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS REQUIRED FOR THOSE PLACES BECAUSE THEY TEND TO HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING CURRENTLY.
LIKE, IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT WOULD.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S EVENTUALLY SOMETHING'S GOING TO WORK.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK A PIECE THAT HAPPENS TO BE ZONED, RIGHT.
SURFACE FLOW EIGHT SPACES IS A LOT EASIER TO WORK WITH ON THAT SCALE, THEN TEN SPACES.
OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? SO YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING RELATING TO PARKING ORDINANCES.
SO ARE THERE IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF JUST ISSUES THAT YOU EXPERIENCE RELATED TO PARKING ORDINANCES OR EVEN TANGENTIALLY RELATED THAT COULD TIE BACK TO HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW ABOUT A VARIATION ON THAT? WHY DON'T I GO BACK AT THE LAST THREE YEARS OF PROJECTS AND JUST KIND OF MAKE A LIST? HERE'S WHAT WE REQUIRED AND HERE'S WHAT OUR PROPOSED NUMBERS ARE.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT HELP YOU, I THINK, WELL, THIS IS ONLY ME TALKING.
YEAH. THAT MAKES SENSE, AND WE'RE VARIANCES GIVEN.
YEAH, AND WE'RE VARIANCES GIVEN, AND IF THE VARIANCES WERE GIVEN THEN LIKE WHY? AND OKAY, SO CAN WE ADJUST THAT.
LIKE THAT. MOST THAT REALLY RECENT DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T IS IT ON SHORE IN HASLETT WHERE THEY WERE TAKING OFFICE AND TRYING TO TURN IT INTO A CLASS? RIGHT, RIGHT. DID WAS THERE A VARIANCE FOR THAT ONE GIVEN OR.
THAT WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
RIGHT. WAS IT RELATED THOUGH TO NEEDING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES, AND I GUESS THAT'S NOT THE DRAIN COMMISSION, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PARKING SPACES HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.
OKAY, MOVING THROUGH THIS, IN ADDITION TO THE.
ISSUES WITHIN THE STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN, I CAN LOOK AT THAT MYSELF AS WELL.
[01:40:06]
YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT AND DO SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT.IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'LL BRING THAT LANGUAGE BACK.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE OFF STREET PARKING NUMBERS RIGHT NOW AND NOT THE WHOLE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE FORGIVE THE PHRASE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
MAYBE THE 27TH, BUT ONE, BUT SOON.
OKAY, NOW, THIS IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE ADOPTION OF MY TRIBUTE OF APPRECIATION FOR COMMISSIONER BLUMER FOR OUTSTANDING PUBLIC CHAIR.
WHILE YOU DO THAT, I'M GOING TO RUN UPSTAIRS AND PREPARE THE FINAL VERSIONS OF THOSE.
I'M GOING TO MOVE IT AND COMMISSIONER SNYDER IS GOING TO SECOND IT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE FILLING IN THOSE BLANKS, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN PUT THERE.
OKAY, I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. UNLESS SHE'S CHANGED HER MIND.
[Additional Item 1]
HIS FOUR YEAR TENURE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. BLUMER HAS ABLY REPRESENTED THE INTERESTS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITIZENS OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, ALSO SERVING AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CHAIR AND SERVING ON THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, AND WHEREAS, COMMISSIONER BLUMER WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ADVANCE AND ACHIEVE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, SELFLESSLY CONTRIBUTING VALUABLE FOCUS, PERSPECTIVE, INSIGHT AND ENERGY TO OUR MOST CHALLENGING EFFORTS AND SUBSEQUENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, AND WHEREAS, ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2024, COMMISSIONER BLUMER ENDED HIS TENURE AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER ON THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN WISHES TO PUBLICLY WISHES PUBLICLY TO RECOGNIZE, COMMEND AND THANK MARK BLUMER FOR INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO AND IMPACTS ON THE WORK OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN AND INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN, HEREBY ADOPTS THIS TRIBUTE OF APPRECIATION TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER MARK BLUMER AS PRESENTED SECOND.
OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.
WHILE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD WITH YOU, I APPRECIATED YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR PARTICIPATION.
I THINK THIS REQUIRES A ROLL CALL.
VOTE. OH, YAY! WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT FIRST.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROBERT.
YES. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE CLAP.
[CHUCKLING] THIS MOTION IS ADOPTED.
THANK YOU, AND THEN I HAVE A SECOND MOTION THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE.
[Additional Item 2.]
A TRIBUTE OF APPRECIATION FOR COMMISSIONER MILTON SCALES FOR OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVICE, AND THIS IS WHEREAS MILTON SCALES SERVED THE INTERESTS OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP IN PAST YEARS, SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, AND WHEREAS MILTON SCALES BEGAN HIS CURRENT PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE TOWNSHIP STARTING IN 2023, WHEN HE WAS REAPPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WHEREAS, DURING HIS MOST RECENT TWO YEAR TENURE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. SCALES HAS ABLY REPRESENTED THE INTERESTS OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITIZENS OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, ALSO SERVING AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY AND REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND WHEREAS, COMMISSIONER SCALES WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ADVANCE AND ACHIEVE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, SELFLESSLY CONTRIBUTING VALUABLE FOCUS, PERSPECTIVE, INSIGHT AND ENERGY TO OUR MOST CHALLENGING EFFORTS AND SUBSEQUENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, AND WHEREAS, ON DECEMBER 9TH, COMMISSIONER 2024, COMMISSIONER SCALES ENDED HIS TENURE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER.NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN, WISHES PUBLICLY TO RECOGNIZE, COMMEND AND THANK MILTON SCALES FOR INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO AND IMPACTS ON THE WORK OF THIS COMMISSION ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN, HEREBY ADOPTS THIS TRIBUTE OF APPRECIATION TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER MILTON SCALES AS PRESENTED.
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SECOND. SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU.YOU HAVE BEEN AN INVALUABLE HELP TO ME IN THIS LAST YEAR AS CHAIR, BECAUSE YOU'RE WHISPERING IN MY EAR AND TELLING ME THINGS THAT I NEED TO KNOW, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND KNOWING YOU AS A FRIEND FOR A LOT LONGER THAN WE SERVED TOGETHER.
SO EARLIER, I MADE ALLUSION TO COMMISSIONER SCALES PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE INGHAM COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION, AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE LONG RECORD OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
SO THANK YOU, AND NOW WE'LL OFFICIALLY VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU.
YOUR VOICE AND PERSPECTIVE WILL BE DEEPLY MISSED, AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOU AND PROBABLY YOU TOO AT SOME POINT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE, AND WE PROMISE TO BE AS NICE TO YOU AS WE ARE TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
THANK YOU. JUST DON'T GO OVER YOUR TIME.
WE WOULD BE AT TOWNSHIP REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, BUT BECAUSE MR. SHORKEY IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE BOARD MEETING.
[10.A. Township Board update.(Part 1 of 2)]
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, WHO WAS SELECTED BY THE BOARD AS THE 2024 VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR.CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.
THANK YOU. IT'S AN HONOR, AND YOU DO AN AWESOME JOB IN ALL ASPECTS.
WHO WAS THE OTHER PERSON? YOU'RE PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT.
SHE'S THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHICH APPARENTLY IS ONE OF THE MOST FRACTIOUS POSSIBLE FORA, AND I DON'T KNOW HER PERSONALLY, BUT CLEARLY SHE'S BROUGHT AN AIR OF CIVILITY TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT CAN BE VERY DIRECT.
I COULD REPORT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.
WELL, LET'S. YEAH, LET'S ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT.
YEAH. LIAISON REPORTS, PLEASE.
[10.B. Liaison reports.]
VERY STRONG APPLICANTS.REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO GROWING THE COMMISSION AND SOME REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING WORK GOING ON AT HASLETT HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE THEY'RE CONNECTING WITH ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS TO PROVIDE SCIENCE LESSONS, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE PICTURES.
WELL FINALLY, WE WERE PLEASED TO HAVE DEPUTY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DAN OPSOMER JOIN US IN ORDER TO BRING US CLARITY ON SEVERAL THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES WAS, AS WE LOOK BACK AT 2004 GREENSPACE PLAN I MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING IT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PRIORITY CONSERVATION CORRIDORS ENVISIONED IN THE 2004 PLAN FOR PROTECTION, HOW HAVE WE DONE PROTECTING THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH LAND PRESERVATION ACQUISITIONS? AND CLEARLY THERE'S BEEN SOME HOME RUNS THERE, BUT MAYBE ALSO SOME MRS. SO IT'S REALLY FUN TO SEE THAT GOING FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY THAT GIS EXPERTISE AND PLANNING EXPERTISE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CAN ALSO BE BROUGHT TO BEAR ON THESE ANALYSIS, SO WE CAN SEE HOW WE'RE DOING 20 YEARS ON.
THAT'S IT. WE JUMP TO LIAISON REPORTS OR SOMETHING TO READ THESE AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD.
I TALKED TO YOU TOO, THAT THERE ARE OTHER LIAISON.
GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER. THE ERC AND THE BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DID NOT MEET AGAIN, AND I NOTIFIED THE DIRECTOR THAT I'M NO LONGER GOING TO BE THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS.
SO YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO YOU'RE GOING TO APPOINT FOR THAT TOO.
THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'LL BE OUR JANUARY MEETING.
SO THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON BOTH OF THOSE AS WELL.
[10.A. Township Board update.(Part 2 of 2)]
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PERMIT FOR OKEMOS GATEWAY, LLC AT 1614 WEST GRAND RIVER AVENUE.THAT IS A MEDICAL OR, EXCUSE ME, A RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA RETAILER.
THEY WILL NOW HAVE TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR THAT HAS BEEN GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT IS ON VACANT LAND.
THEY ALSO HEARD THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE VILLAGE OF NEMOKA UPDATE.
REMEMBER WE DID THAT BACK IN JUNE.
APPARENTLY IT LOOKS IT LOOKS BIG BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER, THE VILLAGE OF NEMOKA JUST HAS REFERENCES, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE THAT THE REFERENCES OVER TIME HAVE JUST BECOME WRONG.
SO IN CORRECTING THE REFERENCES WE SELECTED TO JUST DO THE RIGHT THE LANGUAGE OUT, JUST FILL THE LANGUAGE OUT, AND THEN THERE WERE AMENDMENTS WITHIN THAT LANGUAGE AND THEY WONDERED WHY THEY WERE DOING THAT, AND DIRECTOR SCHMITT POINTED OUT THE STACKING, LIKE HOW OUR ZONING ORDINANCE STACKS, HOW EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO THE RR DISTRICT, AND AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, KENNELS ARE ALLOWED IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, AND THAT CAUGHT THEIR ATTENTION, AND NOW THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF INITIATIVE TO MAYBE START LOOKING AT OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND DIFFERENTIATE THEM A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THIS GOES.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY THEN I THINK WE ARE DOWN TO PROJECT UPDATES.
YEP. THE DEMO PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING AT
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2731 WEST GRAND RIVER, WHERE THE STARBUCKS IS GOING TO GO.APPARENTLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME FIRE TRAINING IN THERE FIRST.
THEY DID. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD, BUT THAT IS MOVING FORWARD, AND THEN I TOOK HERBANA OFF THE LIST BECAUSE THERE THEY GOT THEIR CFO AND DELTA DENTAL.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, AND THAT'S STILL UNDER PERMIT REVIEW.
SO IT'S WORTH NOTING THE HUGE INVESTMENT IN OUR TOWNSHIP, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T RESULT IN ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT IS NOTICEABLE AND WOULD TURN INTO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR A SITE PLAN. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN WE ARE AT ITEM 12, WHICH IS PUBLIC REMARKS.
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I SEE THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PORTION OF PUBLIC COMMENT? I WOULD YES. OKAY.
PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE US AGAIN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I THINK WE CAN USE THE SAME SHEET, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU.
HELLO AGAIN. MY NAME IS JIM BRANDEL, AND I LIVE AT 1504 PICCADILLY.
I'M NOT UP BY THE HOUSE THAT ASKED FOR THE PERMIT.
I'M WAY IN THE BACK, SO I'M NOT AS IMPACTED WHERE I LIVE DAY IN AND DAY OUT, MORNING AND NIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS WAY TO THE FRONT, BUT I'M CONFUSED WITH YOU STARTED TO SAY ONE OF YOU THAT FROM 1 TO 7 KIDS TO BABYSIT THEIR STATE LAW, BUT EIGHT AND ABOVE THERE'S SOME LOCAL. I THOUGHT SOMEONE SAID THERE'S SOME LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY, AND I DID I HEAR THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MY COMMENT IS IF I HEARD THAT RIGHT. WHY DOES MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP NOT HAVE ANY LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT COULD IMPACT THIS DECISION? BUT I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY EIGHT AND ABOVE LOCAL, SOME LOCAL STUFF APPLIED.
I THINK THE BOARD HERE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONSCIENCE TO PROTECT THE KIDS IN CASE THERE WAS A FIRE, AND MY COMMENT IS, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE HIDING BEHIND STATE LAW.
THOSE. HE MENTIONED THAT THE PARENTS HAD THE DAYCARE.
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YEAR OLD IS GOING TO BE DROPPED OFF AT A SCHOOL BUS WHEN HE'S SIX.YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, HOW FAR ARE THEY RESTRICTIONS ON THE AGES FOR THIS PARTICULAR HOME? WE TYPICALLY DON'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH I'M SORRY. YOU CAN SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS WITH US, BUT IT'S NOT AN INTERACTIVE.
OKAY, I GOT IT. OKAY, SO I JUST GOT TO FIRST OF ALL, ON THE TRAFFIC COMMENT.
IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY? IT'S THE 100 IT'S ONE BLOCK THAT'S ABOUT TO SEE 30 CARS A DAY, ONE BLOCK AND TWO EXITS.
OKAY? SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE UNDERSTOOD.
THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS GOING TO BE BAD TRYING TO GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY.
OKAY. BECAUSE THIS ALL THIS TRAFFIC AGAIN IS IN THE IN THE ONE BLOCK OKAY.
ALSO THERE IS NO NOISE ORDINANCES DURING THE DAY.
I'M TWO DOORS DOWN. I'VE GOT TO LISTEN TO 14 KIDS EVERY DAY IN THE BACKYARD.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY ADVICE, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS.
I CHOSE NOW SINCE I'M RETIRED, I'VE CHOSE TO STAY THERE RATHER THAN MOVING SOMEPLACE ELSE, AND NOW I'M IN A SERIOUS JAM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON OVER THERE.
SO I'M BEING SEVERELY IMPACTED.
I MEAN, AM I GOING TO GET A DISCOUNT ON MY TAXES? I'M JUST KIDDING. OKAY, SO BACK TO THE CRITERIA.
OKAY. SO NUMBER ONE FOR THE FIRST ONE.
OKAY. IT TALKED ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER OF THESE CARE FACILITIES AROUND HOW COME, LIKE, THE TWO HUGE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTERS WE HAVE AT MARSH AND TIHART AND THEN THE MEMORY CARE AT HOW COME THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CAREGIVING, YOU KNOW, BRACKET OR WHATEVER? SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT A HUGE.
SORRY, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S ALL NOT BEING COUNTED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MEMORY CARE AND SENIOR CITIZEN HOUSING RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE STRIP RIGHT BEFORE TIHART, AND THEN SO THEN AND THEN THE NUMBER TWO ORDINANCE OF THE THING, THE CRITERIA IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A COMMON HOUSE.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT TRASH BIN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE MINE.
OH, THAT'S IT, YOU GOT 30S RIGHT? OR IS THAT. OH, THAT WAS.
THANK YOU, AND YEAH, YOU CAN ALSO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND IN ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND OR COME TO OUR NEXT MEETING WHERE THIS SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA, AND THE AGENDA WILL BE POSTED ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE.
THANK YOU, AND I DON'T I KNOW WE DON'T RESPOND THE QUESTION TO CLARIFY STATE LAW ALLOWS BY RIGHT THE SMALLER GROUP HOMES, SO THERE'S NO TOWNSHIP, HAS NO DISCRETION OVER THAT BECAUSE THE STATE LAW ALLOWS IT BY RIGHT BUT IT'S WHEN THEY GET TO BE LARGER THE UP TO 14 THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS TO ISSUE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT, THE STATE ALLOWS STATE ALLOWS GROUP CHILDCARE HOMES, 8 TO 14 CHILDREN TO GO THROUGH LOCAL ZONING APPROVAL, BUT THEN THE STATE THEN SAYS HERE ARE THE HERE ARE THE CRITERIA YOU'RE GOING TO USE TO JUDGE IT BY.
SO IT'S STILL A STATE FUNCTION OF STATE LAW.
THE TOWNSHIP HAS NO ABILITY TO REGULATE THOSE.
YOU CAN STILL ADDRESS CONCERNS TO THE STATE LAW TO THE LICENSING AND REGULATION DEPARTMENT.
ANY IDEAS? WHAT TO DO THOUGH IS LET'S TALK AFTER THE MEETING IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA, I THINK.
OH. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS I'M SORRY I SKIPPED OVER THAT.
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED? I CAN JUST SAY THAT.THANK YOU, AND I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
YES. THE EXEMPLARY CHAIR OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS ALEXIA MANSOOR.
YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SAY THE SAME THING AS MILTON.
I'VE ENJOYED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS.
THEREFORE. THEREFORE, I MOVE TO ADJOURN.
THERE. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND?
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SECOND. SECOND. OKAY.WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:29.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.