[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
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OKAY NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC REMARKS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY.
SO THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC REMARKS ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SEE, THERE IS NOBODY HERE WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC REMARKS.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.OH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU.
AND THEN NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL WITH BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT? I WAS OUT OF TOWN THURSDAY AFTERNOON, FRIDAY.AND COMMISSIONER SCALES WAS NICE ENOUGH TO TO EMAIL ME WHILE I WAS OUT AND LET ME KNOW THAT THERE WAS THE COPY AND PASTE DEMONS GOT TO THE MINUTES AND IT WENT OUT WITH A LITTLE BIT LESS DILIGENCE THAN NORMAL AND FROM MY DESK.
SO WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED RESOLUTION UNDER ITEM EIGHT THAT NOW CORRECTLY STATES THAT IT WAS THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE DRIVE THROUGH AND UP ABOVE, THAT THE DATES WERE INCORRECT AND THE MINUTES THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN CORRECTED AS WELL.
THAT WAS THE FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING.
THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THINGS GOT RUSHED.
AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
IT WAS A FUNERAL. I COULDN'T HELP IT.
GOT IT. THANK YOU AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT, WE'LL GET THE RIGHT MINUTES.
OKAY. UP ON THE WEBSITE, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WITH AT LEAST THOSE NOTED CORRECTIONS? AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THOSE NOTED CORRECTIONS.
OKAY. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS, SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
I NOTICED, AND I EMAILED BRIAN ABOUT THE A COUPLE OF JUST MINOR TYPOS ON PAGE TWO AND PAGE THREE.
NOTHING THAT AFFECTS SUBSTANCE OF THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO? WAS ONE OF THEM. THE APPLICANT? YES. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. IF I'VE GOT THOSE CORRECTIONS ON MY EMAIL, I'LL MAKE THEM TOMORROW.
THE OTHER ONE, JUST SO THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD, I GUESS, IS A SPELLING OF NEMOKA.
I THINK IN ONE SPOT IT WAS WITH AN A, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE OTHER ONE.
OKAY. NO PROBLEM. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES.
AS WITH THE NOTED CORRECTIONS, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
ANY COMMUNICATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN SINCE THE AGENDA PACKET WAS SHARED? THERE ARE NONE. OKAY.
SO WE ARE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS.
[9.A. 2024 Workplan Discussion]
ITEM 9A A 2024 WORK PLAN DISCUSSION.OH. LAST WEEK, YOU ASKED ME TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH INTO WHAT OVERLAPS.
I ALSO KNOW THAT BEHIND THE SCENES, WE'RE WORKING ON THE OFF STREET PARKING REGULATIONS, INCLUDING PARKING COUNTS, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM MINIMUM NUMBERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WORK IS ALREADY BEGUN.
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THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO AND WHATEVER ELSE ON THAT LIST YOU WANT TO WORK ON THIS YEAR.WE'LL START BRINGING YOU STUFF IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO ON VARIOUS TOPICS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE THESE, IF YOU WANT TO PICK YOUR TWO FAVORITES, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT, WE'RE GOOD TO GO [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSION.
YOU SAID YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE PARKING STUFF.
IS THAT MAINLY IN RELATION TO SORT OF STANDARDS ACROSS OTHER SIMILAR COMMUNITIES, OR IS THERE ALSO A ARE YOU ABLE TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF SORT OF CURRENT PARKING OCCUPANCY RATES, OR IS THAT OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING? WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND NOW.
THAT MIGHT BE A STEP IN THE FUTURE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING NOW IS WHAT IS OTHER TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WHAT ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING AND WHAT IS EMERGING AS MAYBE BEST PRACTICES FOR THINGS? AND A LOT OF THE NUMBERS, A LOT OF THE MINIMUMS ARE GOING ARE BEING ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY AND YOU ALREADY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE OF WHAT'S OVERBUILT FOR PARKING CURRENTLY.
OH, YEAH. ESPECIALLY FROM THE LARGE LOT, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
YES. BUT THAT I WANT TO STRESS.
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PART OF THE PARKING ORDINANCE THERE IS.
THAT'S THE PART THAT COMES UP IN CONVERSATION THE MOST.
BUT BIKE PARKING OTHER EVEN SOME OF THE SIZES ALL THERE'S A LOT OF SECTIONS TO IT.
I WILL NOTE IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME AND PROBABLY GOOD TO PICK UP THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE NOT ONLY WILL THAT OVERLAP WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION'S POTENTIAL WORK, IT OVERLAPS WITH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING STUFF IN THE PARKING REGULATIONS ANYWAY, SO WE'D BE KILLING A BIRD IN HALF WITH TWO STONES.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SCALES WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN REFERENCE TO ADA ACCESS.
THAT CAME UP IN CONVERSATION LAST WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
I KNOW THAT WE LOOK AT ADA ACCESS WHEN WE GET A SITE PLAN.
WE LOOK AT THERE'S A MINIMUM NUMBER OF ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPOTS THAT HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SHOWN ON THE SITE PLANS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE IF IT REACHES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SOME OF THOSE HAVE TO BE VAN ACCESSIBLE.
WE LOOK AT SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM REGULATIONS FOR ADA ACCESS FOR OUR SIDEWALKS.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CONVERSATION WAS INTENDED TO GO.
I ONLY REPORTED WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN CONVERSATION.
SURE. COMMISSIONER BLUMER DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR WERE YOU JUST SMILING AT ME TO HELP ME MOVE FORWARD? ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS ON? CLARITY. I HAVE A COMMENT.
MR. BROOKS, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, ACTUALLY, NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE TO THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE IN RELATION TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE, I ACTUALLY THINK THE ADA ACCESS MAKES SENSE. IT'S SORT OF LIKE A TRIANGULATION OF THREE ISSUES THAT RELATE TO HOW DO PEOPLE ACCESS.
AND WHAT IS THE DESIGN OF THAT ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTIES IN THE TOWNSHIP? AND SO THE PARKING IS ONE LEVEL, BUT THEN ALSO THE ADA ACCESS IS RELATED TO THAT.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE LANDSCAPE IS WHAT'S SORT OF CONTAINING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO MUCH.
NO. TO WORK ON AT THE SAME TIME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ADJUST THOSE THREE THINGS IN ONE SWOOP.
I ALSO I'M HESITANT NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS OUT LOUD IS LIKE.
IT'S ALSO LIKE I WOULDN'T WANT TO OVER CREATE ORDINANCE BURDEN ON DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I DO THINK THESE THINGS WOULD.
NOW, SINCE OUR ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN CREATED, MAKE SURE WE'RE UP TO DATE.
AND IF WE FIND EFFICIENCIES, WE CAN BRING THOSE TO YOU.
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I'M NOT TRYING TO, BUT IT DOES.SO I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING.
AND I SEE THAT DOES TIE TO PARKING.
I JUST GOT DONE SAYING WE HAVE PARKING REGULATIONS THAT TYPIFY.
YEAH. A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPOTS.
SO THERE IS SOME OVERLAP THERE.
LANDSCAPING? I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING TO GO INTO EITHER.
DOES ANYONE HAVE THOUGHTS ON PRIORITIZATION OR TIMING? OR DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF CHUNKING THESE OUT INTO PIECES? I ALMOST SEE THE ADA PIECE AS BEING KIND OF A LENS THROUGH WHICH WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY STAND ALONE, BUT IT SHOULD BE SORT OF A PRIMARY CONSIDERATION WHEN WE LOOK AT PARKING OR WE LOOK AT LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY MAKING OUR COMMUNITY LESS ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
RIGHT AND I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS I MAYBE IT'S A GOOD TIME JUST TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON BOARD WITH ALL THE CURRENT ADA REGULATIONS AND MAYBE REPORT BACK IF THERE'S DEFICIENCIES, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND IF THERE'S NOT, THEN JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE IN GOOD PLACE.
IS THERE A TOWNSHIP BOARD OR COMMISSION WHOSE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IT IS TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT NEED OR WANT ACCOMMODATIONS TO MAKE IT A MORE FRIENDLY BUILT ENVIRONMENT, OR IS THAT US, OR DO YOU MEAN ON A, LIKE A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS, OR DO YOU MEAN LIKE HOW WE HAVE LIKE A TRANSPORTATION GROUP THAT LOOKS AT LIKE SORT OF WALKABILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS THERE A LIKE BODY AND OKAY, NOT NECESSARILY.
YEAH. OH, COMMISSIONER SCALES.
I RECOMMEND THAT WE PRIORITIZE THESE.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO GIVE A REPORT OUT DURING THE MORE AND COMMISSION'S MEETING THAT'S UPCOMING, COMING UP IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR PRIORITIES? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT? I DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION.
OKAY. I LIKE THE WAY IT'S LISTED RIGHT HERE.
BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS JUST SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IT'LL HELP US TO KNOW WHEN WE HAVE SPOTS ON OUR AGENDAS THAT WE WEREN'T LOOKING TO FILL.
KIND OF HELP, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO BRING TO US FIRST.
SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. SHORKEY. SO THE.
IS THERE ANYTHING? SO I WOULD LOVE TO DO EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST.
AND I THINK WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO LOTS OF THINGS, BUT IF IS THERE TOO MUCH ON THIS LIST FOR STAFF TO WORK ON AT THE MOMENT? NO. IF NO, LIKE I'VE NOTED WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON OFF STREET PARKING.
I'LL COME BACK IN A MONTH WITH A REPORT, YOU KNOW.
HOW ARE WE DOING? THAT'S NOT A HUGE DEAL.
LANDSCAPING. IF THAT TURNS INTO A REAL, TRUE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE ABOVE AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT PERIMETERS, THAT'S A PRETTY DECENT UNDERTAKING.
I'VE WRITTEN THOSE FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES.
THAT'S A PRETTY THAT COULD BE BUT CERTAINLY NOTHING'S GOING TO TAKE ALL YEAR.
IF I TAKE ALL YEAR TO DO THAT, YOU SHOULD QUESTION.
CONSEQUENTLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING THAT BY THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, THIRD LIKE THIRD QUARTER OF THE YEAR, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE OR [INAUDIBLE].
BASED ON CONVERSATION, I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST ORDERING THEM THERE FOR TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE ONE AND PUTTING THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING REGULATIONS TOWARD THE BOTTOM.
THAT COULD BE AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION TO BRING UP, BUT I'D BE SURPRISED IF AFTER ALL OF THIS, WE ACTUALLY GOT TO A NUTS AND BOLTS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO GET INTO SOME HEAVIER CONVERSATIONS THAN HOW MANY TREES DO YOU WANT? SO MANY.
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OR COULD I THROW A LATE WRENCH IN THE WORKS? MAYBE. WELL, YOU CAN THROW IT.I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO LET IT IF IT'S GOING TO STICK IN THE MASTER PLAN.
WE TALKED ABOUT SMALLER STUDIES.
AND SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO DROP OFF OUR RADAR.
IT HAS NOT THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THE MALPICA STUDY.
I CAN WORK ON ALL THREE OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.
THE MALL, WHAT WE'RE PICTURING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT WE'RE PICTURING LIKE RIGHT NOW IS A LIKE A HIGH LEVEL.
6 TO 10 PAGE REPORT ON WHAT'S THE MALL LOOK LIKE NOW? WHAT'S AROUND IT? WHAT'S IT CAPABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE, ETC..
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY SHOWS INTEREST, HEY, WE'VE GOT A MARKETING PIECE OR A PR PIECE TO SHOW YOU.
NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BIG DOG AND PONY SHOWS, THE CHARETTES, THE THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE HERE? WE'VE LEARNED FROM SOME PAST EXPERIENCES AND WE THINK MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO ON THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY HOWEVER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO GO WITH IT AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. THAT SATISFY YOU? YEP. OKAY, GREAT.
THANK YOU. THAT WE PRIORITIZE OUR FIVE ISSUES FOR OUR 2024 WORK PLAN, BEGINNING WITH OFF STREET PARKING ORDINANCE ADA ACCESS IS NUMBER TWO. LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE UPDATE IS NUMBER THREE.
MALPICA STUDY IS NUMBER FOUR AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING REGULATIONS AS OUR FIFTH PRIORITY.
I'LL SECOND THAT BY COMMISSIONER SCALES.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? I THINK THIS ONE THIS ONE REQUIRES A ROLL CALL.
DO WE? WELL, THERE'S NO BECAUSE.
NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION.
EVERYONE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY, FOR A GOOD DISCUSSION.
ALL RIGHT. NOW TOLD YOU THIS WAS GOING TO COME UP.
[9.B. RN – Village of Nemoka District Discussion]
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.IN EVALUATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE.
YOU'VE GOT MULTIFAMILY OUT THERE, YOU'VE GOT A MIX OF STUFF.
I'M GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND JUST GO TO THIS MAP HERE.
THIS SHOWS CURRENT LAND USES BY CATEGORY INSIDE THE DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE SHOWN HERE. THIS IS SHAW PLACE CONDOS, SWAN COVE CONDOS, LAKE DRIVE APARTMENTS.
THIS IS THE CLARKSON EYECARE MERIDIAN APARTMENTS.
THERE'S AN ASSISTED A COUPLE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES HERE.
SO I'LL TELL YOU ONE ONE EARLY THOUGHT WAS, WELL LET'S JUST REZONE IT TO RB.
WELL THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE RB DOESN'T ALLOW DUPLEXES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE SEE FOUR POTENTIAL WAYS THIS CAN GO.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PREFERENCE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FROM LOW TO HIGH.
AND I PUT IN HERE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST YOU SEE THE LINKS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AND THEN THIS SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE, LIKE A SPECIAL LAND USES AS DECIDED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS.
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IT USED TO FIXING, JUST DOING A QUICK AND EASY TEXT AMENDMENT FIXES THE PROBLEM.IF WE'RE DOING THIS ANYWAY THE RN DISTRICT LAND USES, THEY'RE NOT LISTED IN THEIR OWN RIGHT.
THEY'RE REFERRED FROM OTHER SECTIONS.
WE COULD GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE REVIEW OF THE DISTRICT LANGUAGE.
MAYBE UPDATE LAND USES MAKE THIS DISTRICT UNIQUE AND DISTINCT LIKE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT VILLAGE OF NEMOKA THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE FROM THE REST OF THE TOWNSHIP? WHY IS IT ITS OWN ZONING DISTRICT? WE COULD GO INTO THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ANALYSIS THAN JUST SIMPLY MAKING SOME CHANGES TO SOME REFERENCES.
THE THIRD OPTION THAT WE SEE IS AND WE'VE DONE THIS WITH A COUPLE ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU COULD LOOK AT ELIMINATING THE VILLAGE OF NEMOKA DISTRICT. THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT IS OR ISN'T.
AND I THINK I PUT IN HERE THAT WOULD BE 149 DIFFERENT PARCELS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY RB.
IF THAT'S CHOSEN, WE'D START ENGAGING IN A MORE ROBUST ANALYSIS OF THE DISTRICT.
WE'D COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDED ZONING CATEGORIES FOR EACH PARCEL AND IT'S NOT IN HERE.
AND THEN IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, WE'VE GOT A LAKE LANSING OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
WE COULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY DISTRICT, OF WHICH THIS FALLS INTO, AND DO A REAL BIG LAKE, LAKE LANSING ANALYSIS I AM HAPPY TO GO IN WHATEVER DIRECTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO GO IN.
THE THIRD OPTION THAT YOU DISCUSSED.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAKING EACH PARCEL ITS OWN ZONE? WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS ALL OF THE ORANGE THE COULD BE A MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION.
ALL OF THE YELLOW COULD BE THE SAME DESIGNATION, I'M GUESSING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHICH WOULD NOT MAKE THE DUPLEXES NON-CONFORMING IMMEDIATELY.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A PATCHWORK.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS PIECE WOULD BE OFFICE.
WE PROBABLY REZONE THAT ANYWAY.
AND THEN NOT INCIDENTALLY, THIS PIECE HERE TOO, WHICH JUST GOT REZONED.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO BOARD REPORT.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME VACANT PROPERTIES IN HERE TOO, THAT ARE RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, SOME OF THEM MORE THAN OTHERS, BUT YES, IT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES.
YEAH. THE VACANT PROPERTIES THE ONES THAT ARE IN WHITE.
THE ONE IF THEY'RE IN WHITE, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT.
WHERE ARE THE VACANT PROPERTIES.
I'M SORRY. WHERE ARE THE VACANT PROPERTIES? OH, THEY'RE IN THIS PURPLE COLOR.
OKAY, I CALL THAT DEVELOPABLE OPEN SPACE.
GOT IT. THIS ONE HERE IS NOT A VERY GOOD ONE.
BUT THEN THIS ONE UP HERE HAS A FOR SALE SIGN IN FRONT OF IT.
IT'S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEVELOPABILITY.
AND MOST OF THOSE ARE ZONED FOR WELL THE RN ZONING.
SO SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX AND THEN A MULTIFAMILY BY BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO CURRENTLY ANYTHING AND SORRY I LOST IT COMPLETELY.
GOT ANYTHING IN HERE IN THIS VILLAGE COULD CURRENTLY BE DEVELOPED AS MULTIFAMILY UP TO MULTIFAMILY WITH SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THAT IS CORRECT.
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IT'S IT CURRENTLY SAYS ALL USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IS ALL USE.WELL I SAY SINGLE FAMILY, BUT ALL USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE RB DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS CASE.
AND THEN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS WELL.
THEN IT SAYS USE IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE.
I'LL USE THIS PERMITTED ALL USE IS PERMITTED IN SUBSECTION 86-376 IS BASICALLY WHERE YOU GET TO WITH THAT.
376 AND THAT IS THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL STUFF.
SO THEN THAT'S WHY I END UP SAYING, SEE, IT'S A COMPLICATED ORDINANCE TO USE.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THOSE LAND USES.
IT MAKES REFERENCES BACK TO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
THAT'S THOSE REFERENCES THAT ARE BROKEN.
SORRY. DID I INTERRUPT YOU? NO. GO AHEAD. FINISH YOUR QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL NEXT.
ARE THERE ANY LIKE AROUND THE LAKE LANSING AREA? ARE THERE ANY MULTIFAMILY OR HIGHER DENSITY ZONED AREAS LIKE THIS, OR IS THIS THE ONLY ONE? SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AROUND THE LAKE, THIS IS YOUR AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
AND HERE'S LAKE LANSING PARK SOUTH.
THE ISSUE WE RUN INTO IS THAT THESE LOTS ARE VERY TINY.
YEAH. AND WE GET A LOT OF VARIANCES OUT OF THE LAKE LANSING AREA.
AND THEN AS YOU GO AROUND, YOU STILL HAVE TINY LOTS.
BUT AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'VE GOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S [INAUDIBLE].
YOU GOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN SOMEWHERE, AND I KNOW IT IS, BECAUSE.
SO IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE LAKE AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD THERE AS WELL AS THAT ONE.
YEAH. BUT THAT'S ON THE OTHER. THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF MARSH.
MR. MCCONNELL, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. MORE ON PROCESS.
OPTION NUMBER ONE THAT YOU PRESENTED IS SORT OF A CLERICAL SET OF CLERICAL CORRECTIONS.
CORRECT? AND I PRESUME THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE SIMPLY MAKING TEXT CORRECTIONS.
OKAY. ON SOME OF THE SUBSEQUENT OPTIONS, THERE WAS FURTHER ANALYSIS THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT CONSIDERING A BROADER CORRECT CHANGE. AND THEN AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE, THEN PUBLIC MEETINGS WOULD BE HELD.
THREE AND FOUR WOULD CERTAINLY INVOLVE THAT.
TWO WE PROBABLY AND SO LET ME BACK UP PROCESS QUESTION.
IN ANY CASE, WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
YES. IN OPTION TWO YOU'RE STILL DOING A TEXT CHANGE.
THE ANALYSIS IS THIS IF THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS RIGHT NOW ARE JUST HERE'S WHAT THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS ARE IN REFERENCE BACK.
YEAH. SEE, THE MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED STRUCTURES ARE MEET THE DETACHED MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE RB DISTRICT.
IS THAT APPROPRIATE? SHOULD THEY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS STRINGENT.
SHOULD THEY BE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT, SMALLER SETBACKS? THINGS LIKE THAT.
SMALLER LOT SIZE SOMETHING I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A TEXT CHANGE ANYWAY, CAN IS THE TEXT NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO MAKE THE VILLAGE OF NEMOKA DISTRICT FROM ANY OTHER RB DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP?
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AND I DON'T KNOW THAT'S YES AND I DON'T KNOW THAT'S NO, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, I'M ONLY SUGGESTING THAT'S AN OPTION.COMMISSIONER BLUMER. THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE? WHY HAS IT COME UP OTHER THAN TO CLARIFY THE MAP? HAS THERE BEEN A CONTROVERSY, OR DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS OBJECT TO? WHY HAS THIS COME UP? THIS CAME UP SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOTICED THE TEXT CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN IN CONVERSATION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ANYWAY, THERE ARE OPTIONS.
WE CAN'T THERE'S NO CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE OUT THERE BUBBLING UP OUT THERE.
BUT IT'S MY JOB TO OCCASIONALLY BRING THINGS TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION.
AND I GUESS THE WAY I SEE IT FROM YOUR EXPLANATION LAST TIME AND IT'S SINKING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW, IS SORT OF WHY CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A RELIC OF TIMES PAST THAT ISN'T REALLY GERMANE TO NOW? LIKE, IS THERE A NEED TO HAVE A VILLAGE OF NEMOKA THAT HAS A STANDALONE DISTRICT THAT IS SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE TOWNSHIP? AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SORT OF CREATE A LOT OF WORK AND SOLVE A PROBLEM, CREATE A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS FIXING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OTHERWISE WE'RE SORT OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
FOR OTHERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND THEY START SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS TEN, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, LIKE, WHY DO WE STILL HAVE THIS? AND IT WAS UPDATED IN 2024, AND WHY DIDN'T THEY CHANGE IT? YOU KNOW, SO I DO, YOU KNOW, JUST OFFHAND HOW MANY PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS AREA ARE OWNER OCCUPIED VERSUS OWNED BY A NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WITH CONDOS AND APARTMENTS THAT IT MIGHT HAVE FEWER PEOPLE WHO PERSONALLY WOULD COME OUT AND BE AFFECTED.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SCARE SOMEBODY INTO THINKING THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING INADVERTENT, YOU KNOW, TO HELP.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER COMMISSIONER SCALES.
YES. I WAS TRYING TO BREAK DOWN THE WORKLOAD AND THE ANTICIPATED OUTCOMES OF THE WORK PERFORMED.
AND I LOOK AT TWO AND THREE INVOLVING AN ANALYSIS OF EACH PROPERTY.
I LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR AS JUST SAYING, WHILE WE'RE HERE, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE WHOLE [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. FOUR WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
A LOT. AND NUMBER ONE, IN THE OLDEN DAYS, WE WOULD BE TAKING SOME WHITE OUT AND MAKING MAKING A CHANGE AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
AND LISTENING TO OUR CHAIRPERSONS FEARS THAT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE UPSETTING THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD BE FEARFUL IN DOING TWO, THREE AND FOUR.
BUT IF I WERE TO CLEAN THE WHOLE THING UP [INAUDIBLE] WHAT I WOULD DO.
BUT I WOULDN'T DO FOR THIS YEAR.
OKAY, I WOULD SAY MAKE FOR OUR 1, 2 OR 3 PRIORITY FOR NEXT YEAR.
OKAY. AND DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR LIKE NUMBER ONE THAT CLEANS UP THE OBVIOUS MESS. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
IT IS A MASTER PLAN GOAL TO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
LOOK AT THE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT IT TO YOU AS AN OPTION RIGHT NOW.
BUT NOTHING SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, AT THIS MOMENT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU LAID IT OUT.
UNLESS OTHERS HAVE AN OPINION.
OH, OKAY. OH, I WAS GOING TO RISE IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER SCALES RECOMMENDATION.
I WAS GOING TO SAY UNLESS OTHERS HAVE OTHER OPINIONS, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN APPROACH THAT WORKS.
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ONE LITTLE PIECE. YES.AND IN MY PERSONAL VIEW, THE SOONER THE ENGAGEMENT HAPPENS, THE BETTER FAIR ENOUGH.
OKAY, AGAIN, JUST ALL TORE UP FOR ALL THAT DRAIN WORK AND ASSESSMENTS, RIGHT I BELIEVE YOU.
YEAH, THEY DID HAVE SOME WORK OUT THERE.
YEAH I AGREE STREET TORN UP AND NEW SEWERS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, AGAIN, SORT OF GIVE YOU A VOTE TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION? OR IS OUR JUST SORT OF VERBAL DIRECTION GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO FEEL LIKE THE CONVERSATION HAS GIVEN ME DIRECTION.
I WILL JUST BRING THIS TEXT CHANGE.
IT'LL LOOK A LOT LIKE LIKE THIS.
I THOUGHT YOU'VE DONE MOST OF THAT WORK ALREADY, RIGHT? JUST ANALYZING IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, MAYBE IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, INSTEAD OF SAYING ALL USES BY RIGHT AND THE ARBOR DISTRICT AND REFERRING BACK, WE MIGHT LIST THE USES SPECIFICALLY.
SO LET ME BRING THIS BACK ONE MORE TIME.
AND IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH WHAT I PRESENT, WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON A TEXT CHANGE.
I SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED IN THE SECOND PART OF, LIKE, PUT IT RIGHT THERE SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO CHASING AROUND TO FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THAT GETS CONFUSING. OKAY. THANK YOU.
AND SO WE ARE AT REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.
[10.A. Township Board update.]
SURE. LET ME GET ORGANIZED HERE, I APOLOGIZE.OH, YEAH, BECAUSE I TOOK YOUR AGENDA.
IT'S OKAY. LET'S SEE THE, THAT'S COMING UP.
SO THE TOWNSHIP ZONED 5681 SHORE STREET FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
YOU RECOMMENDED TO REZONE IT TO RC MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THEY REZONED IT TO RN VILLAGE OF NEMOKA.
SO THEY WILL BE COMING IN FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THEIR FOUR UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE BOARD APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE DRIVE THRU AT 2731 GRAND RIVER.
IT DENIED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE FACILITY AT 1614 OBJECTING TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN I YEAH, THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE.
OKAY. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
WELL, NO ELABORATE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA THAT HASN'T COME OUT OKAY.
NO, THEY HAVEN'T COME IN FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL YET.
SO THIS COFFEE SHOP ON HERE NOW? NOW IT'S BEING CALLED A COFFEE SHOP ON YOUR UPDATE, I NOTICED.
OH, IF IT IS THEN THAT IS AN ACCIDENT OKAY.
YEAH IT IS. WE DO HAVE A NEW COFFEE SHOP.
OH I'M SORRY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE THEN.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DID NOT MEAN TO CONFUSE.
[10.B. Liaison reports.]
WE'RE AT LIAISON REPORTS.DOES ANYBODY HAVE A LIAISON REPORT TO SHARE? I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU ASK? LIAISON REPORTS.
SO THIS WE HAD A CIA MEETING, AND WE BASICALLY MR. SHORKEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT FROM THIS BUT THE WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A LIST OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE YEAR.
AND ONE OF THE PRIORITIES IS PUTTING TOGETHER SOME, LIKE, MARKETING MATERIALS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF IT, BUT THEY APPROVED THE PLAN.
AND SO THEY HAVE A WORK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE YEAR THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
THANK YOU. SORRY, THAT WASN'T VERY INFORMATIVE.
[00:40:01]
IT'S BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS.I'M JUST HAPPY TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE MEETING AND I HAD VACATION IN BETWEEN.
ANY OTHER UPDATES FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION? WELCOME. OUR NEW BOARD LIAISON.
TRUSTEE TREZISE. I JUST LOVE SAYINGING TRUSTEE TREZISE [INAUDIBLE].
AND THERE'S FREE FOOD SOMETIMES.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING. I'VE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THOSE.
BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC JUST TO SORT OF SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES.
SO WHAT IS THAT DATE AGAIN? MARCH 26TH.
YEAH. I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT IT, I THINK, ASKING FOR AN RSVP.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T AN RSVP IF YOU PLAN TO GO.
SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD FOR US TO KIND OF CONNECT AND TRY TO SIT TOGETHER IF WE CAN.
BUT MR. SHORKEY KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO COME, I GUESS, AND WE CAN.
OR LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO.
FORTUNATELY, WE JUST PASSED YOUR SCRIPT, SO IT'S EASY TO REPORT ON WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, RIGHT? WE JUST ADOPTED A PLAN.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE YEAH.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE? YEP. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPEARS TO BE A STUDY IN FRUSTRATION.
THEY SAY PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT'S EXTENDING [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE HAPPY.
MORE LIKE THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
WE'RE STUDYING FRUSTRATION TOO.
THEY'RE HESITATING ON EVERY PROJECT.
AND FINANCING IS FUNDAMENTALLY BASED ON DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE IN SERIOUS JEOPARDY OF LOSING SOME OF THEIR FINANCING IF THEY DON'T GET THINGS STARTED.
SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEY DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANY ANSWERS, BUT THEY DID EXPRESS FRUSTRATION.
AND THE OTHER BIG ISSUE THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY REVOLVING THROUGH THERE IS THE SENIOR CENTER. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER UPDATES? QUESTIONS? OKAY.
[11.A. Project Report]
ANYTHING. YOU HAVE A REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU? DID SPEND MORE TIME ON IT.WE HAD A CONVERSATION AT OUR LAST MEETING AND INCORPORATED ALL THOSE UPDATES.
NEW COFFEE SHOP ON HAMILTON ROAD IS UNDER BUILDING REVIEW.
TANTE CUISINE, WHICH I KNOW OF AS A FOOD TRUCK.
THAT WAS AT PRIDE, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
ISN'T AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DONE SOON.
APPARENTLY, THE OWNER GOT HURT, AND IT DELAYED HIS ABILITY TO FULLY DEVELOP IT.
GOOD. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
I SAW SOMETHING IN THE PAPER YESTERDAY THAT SAID MERIDIAN CHARTER TOWNSHIP HAD SOUGHT MORE THAN 7.5 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
[00:45:06]
ROADS. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE 206 HOUSING UNITS, WITH ABOUT HALF OF THOSE BEING SET ASIDE FOR AREA MEDIAN INCOME BASED HOUSING FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, AND THE BILL INCLUDED $1,666,279 FOR THE WORK, AND IT SAID THAT THIS IS IN A CURRENT BILL THAT IS MOVING TOWARDS PASSAGE.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR DEVELOPMENT MAY GET SOME MONEY.
SO I GUESS THAT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS OUT OF STATE.
CAN YOU SEND THAT ARTICLE TO ME? I CAN SEND IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
THIS WAS REPORTED IN THE PAPER BY A CONGRESSIONAL POLITICIAN.
DOWNTOWN, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
THE DOWNTOWN. THEY DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT REPORT? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S PART OF DELTA.
THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER.
WE ARE AT OUR SECOND OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.
THERE ARE STILL NO PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SHARED.
[13. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
NO COMMENT.COOL. IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT PLANNING OR ZONING, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
I JUST, AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, JUST WANTED TO TALK OR AT LEAST DENOUNCE WHAT TOOK PLACE A MONTH AGO AT THE NOKOMIS CULTURAL HERITAGE CENTER.
THAT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE SPRAY PAINTING AND DEFACING OF OUR CENTER.
THAT'S RIGHT OUT OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING.
AND YOU KNOW, AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS DENOUNCING IT AND STATING THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR TOWNSHIP IS ABOUT.
WE ARE A WELCOMING TOWNSHIP, AND WE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR SUCH HATEFUL ACTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, I GUESS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO MOVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SCALES.
AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 7:17.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.