Feb 12, 2024 Planning Commission

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OKAY, WE ARE READY.

I'M GOING TO CALL THE FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

AND IS THAT ME OR IS THAT YOU? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SCALES.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.

PRESENT COMMISSIONER BLUMER PRESENT.

AND I AM CHAIR SHREWSBURY I'M HERE.

AND COMMISSIONER MCCURTIS HAS ASKED FOR AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

CORRECT. I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC REMARKS.

IS ANYBODY HERE TO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.

SO THERE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC REMARKS THAT WOULD BE NOW OR AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR NOT, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.

OKAY. SEEING NO ONE, I THINK WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

OKAY. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BLUMER MOVED, AND COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL WILL SUPPORT APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

SO MOVED.

OBJECTION. [INAUDIBLE] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 22ND, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

ANYBODY LIKE TO MOVE THAT? I THINK YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE APPROVAL, A VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

OKAY, WELL, LET'S TAKE A VOTE THEN, COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SCALES FOR KEEPING ME HONEST.

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 22ND, 2024 MEETING.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 2020.

DID I SAY AGENDA MINUTES? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

I'LL GET THIS.

THANK YOU. SO MOVED AND SECONDED.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AGENDA MINUTES? [LAUGHTER] I DID HAVE A COUPLE.

OKAY. THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE, RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION FOR COMMISSIONER RICHARDS, AND, HIS NAME IS MISSING A LETTER.

WE'RE STILL GETTING, LIST OF NAMES DURING VOICE VOTES.

BUT I DID VERY MUCH LIKE THE DESCRIPTION OF OUR LAST ADJOURNMENT BY PROCLAMATION IS WAS AN EXCELLENT TOUCH.

WE'RE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING.

I'M LOOKING AT THE JERRY RICHARDS SECTION ON THE MINUTES, AND IT SAYS MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

I DON'T HAVE NAMES.

NO, HIS HIS NAME IS MISSPELLED.

HIS NAME IS MISSPELLED THERE.

OH, I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD AND THAT'S A GOOD CATCH THANK YOU.

AND WE'RE STILL RECORDING NAMES ON VOICE VOTES, WHICH I THINK IS MORE WORK THAN IS NEEDED.

WELL, YEAH. OKAY. THE AGENDA.

YOU'RE RIGHT. AND PERHAPS IF WE CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE AND NOT DO IT INDIVIDUALLY, THAT MIGHT, HELP.

IT'S A ROLL CALL.

YEP. YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ROLL CALL ON ON THINGS THAT SHOULD BE VOICE VOTES.

THAT MIGHT HELP US.

THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YEP. SO WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY. WITH THOSE CHANGES ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IS THIS ONE WE CAN DO ON A VOICE VOTE.

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ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WITH THOSE CHANGES? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH CHANGES.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS? WE DO NOT. OKAY.

AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[8.A. SUP #24001 – 2731 Grand River]

MIC] ENGINEER. AND THAT IS THE SITE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AND THEN DISCUSS? [INAUDIBLE] I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT 24001, A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THRU AT 2731 GRAND RIVER. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BLUMER. THANK YOU.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. THAT'S OKAY.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

MY, I HAVE A COUPLE.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT.

FIRST OFF, MR. SHORKEY WHY, IS THERE ANY REASON, LIKE WE DON'T FIND OUT.

LIKE WHO WHAT THE BUSINESS IS THAT'S APPLYING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? THAT IS OFTEN A CONFIDENTIAL MATTER THAT'S NOT MADE PUBLIC UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.

THE CLIENTELE SHOULD NOT MATTER TO THE LAND USE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT THE.

TO BE FAIR, WE DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NOT ON ANY OF THE APPLICATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO STATE THAT.

IS THERE.

I JUST, I JUST AM, SO I JUST FIND THAT SO CURIOUS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS IMPACTS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT A PLACE LIKE THAT WOULD GET. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE, HOW THIS LAND IS GETTING USED IN RELATION TO THE TYPE OF BUSINESS IT IS. SO IF IT'S BROAD ENOUGH, THEN YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT IT IS.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY RELATED TO THAT QUESTION WAS I, I SAW AN LANSING STATE JOURNAL ARTICLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER FOLKS SAW THIS THAT SAID THAT IT WAS A COFFEE SHOP, BUT THEN I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT IN ANY OF OUR DOCUMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ANY OF MY DOCUMENTS.

YEAH. THE THE QUESTION OF THE BROADNESS OF THE LAND USE.

I'LL JUST GO A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE CURTAIN A LITTLE BIT.

GO FOR IT. THE UNIFORM MANUAL OF TRAFFIC CONTROL, I DON'T KNOW THE UMC.

I DON'T HAVE THE ACRONYM. BUT YOU KNOW, THE THREE VOLUME ALL THE LAND USES HERE'S HERE'S THE TRAFFIC YOU CAN EXPECT BASED ON SURVEYS FROM THE, HELP ME TRAFFIC COUNCIL HE'S THE ENGINEER, THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT HIM.

ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESTAURANTS SO MUCH.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GO BY MCDONALD'S, BURGER KING, WENDY'S.

IT'S RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU AND THEN SQUARE FOOTAGE OR RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THRU SQUARE FOOTAGE.

DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. IF YOU'VE GOT SOME INSIGHT, I'M HAPPY TO.

I THINK, TO HELP COMMISSIONER BROOKS OUT.

I THINK THE COFFEE SHOP MIGHT HAVE COME THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED TO GET SOME TYPE OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH DRIVE THRU TRAFFIC WOULD COME THROUGH WAS WOULD THEY BE OFFERING COFFEE? AND WE GOT SOME TYPE OF RESPONSE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A FULL SIT DOWN RESTAURANT OR

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THANKS, IF THAT HELPS YOU ANY.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

THAT DOES HELP. I WAS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER.

OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION FOR RIGHT NOW IS.

WELL, NEVER MIND.

I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO PAUSE.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

SURE. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT, HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF? SURE. I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON AN ISSUE THAT, CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT HAD TO DO, I THINK COMMISSIONER SNYDER WAS WONDERING ABOUT POTENTIAL, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO THE WEST, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSE OF THE APPLICANT WAS THAT THERE'S A GRADE SEPARATION.

THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, WHICH, AS I GO BY EVERY DAY I'VE LOOKED AND THERE IS A RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AT THE BACK.

AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME THING TO ME.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF, IF THAT'S A REASON NOT TO CONSIDER IT OR IF, THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT, POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM THAT SIDE AS WELL.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, MULTI.

I'M GETTING DIZZY. I'M SORRY.

I'M LOOKING FRANTICALLY FOR IT.

I KNOW, IT'S OKAY.

SO I WAS HOPING THAT WE MIGHT HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND, IF THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER.

OR IF MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER AS A, AS A CONDITION SO.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL I THINK, DID YOU SAY, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT, AND THEN I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU MEANT AT WHAT YOU SAW IN THE BACK.

WAS THAT ALSO MORE RETAINING WALL OR JUST THE GRADE OR.

NO THE RETAINING WALL ENDS WELL BEFORE THE, OKAY, BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BRING UP THE AERIAL PHOTO.

YEAH. NEXT BUILDING.

IT LOOKS.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A STEP.

YOU CAN SEE A STEP THERE.

IT'S ONE STEP. SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE NECESSARILY A HUGE TOPOGRAPHIC OBSTACLE.

BUT IF THERE'S OTHER REASONS IN TERMS OF HOW THE SITE IS GOING TO BE LAID OUT, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HEAR THAT FROM.

AND I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE BUSINESS TO, TO CREATE BETTER ACCESSIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING, AT TRADER JOE'S AND THEN WANT TO WALK OVER TO GET SOME TYPE OF REFRESHMENT, TO BE FAIR, IT WOULDN'T CONNECT ANYWAY, LIKE TRADER JOE'S SITE, IF I CAN SAY THAT PUBLICLY.

ANYWAY, THE PATHWAY GOES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE AND THAT'S GOING TO STAY CONNECTED.

MITCHELL HARVEY WITH STONE FIELD ENGINEERING, 607 SHELBY STREET, DETROIT, MICHIGAN.

JUST REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN A SIDEWALK TO OUR SITE.

SO ANYBODY WALKING ALONG GRAND RIVER WILL BE ABLE TO COME TO OUR SITE AND THERE'S A LITTLE OUTDOOR PATIO AND A BIKE RACK ON SITE.

SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY PIECE TO IT.

DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? THAT SOUNDS LIKE, A VERY FAMILIAR ANSWER, MR. SHORKEY, COULD YOU ZOOM BACK OUT FOR US FOR JUST.

OR EITHER ONE OF YOU? AT THE BOTTOM OF NORTHWIND DRIVE, IS A SET OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THAT HAVE JUST BECOME TOTALLY CONNECTED TO THE MSU CAMPUS THROUGH MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP TRAIL.

SO THERE'S A WHOLE GROWTH OF, OF, NON-MOTORIZED ACCESS BEING DEVELOPED.

AND, IF I WERE TRYING TO BRING RESTAURANT CUSTOMERS, I WOULDN'T MAKE THEM WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET THERE.

IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THEY COULD SCOOT THROUGH, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR MY, MY BUSINESS.

AND, I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PLACE NEXT DOOR THAT'S BEING BUILT THAT WILL REMAIN NAMELESS. SO I DON'T KNOW AT ALL HOW, FEASIBLE IT MIGHT BE [INAUDIBLE] BUT, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT IT. COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

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WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT AND IN ADDITION, THEY'VE GOT A LARGE PARKING LOT WHICH COULD CREATE A HAZARD FOR FOR PEDESTRIANS TRYING TO CUT ACROSS.

I JUST THINK LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO WALK THIS WAY, THEY CAN WALK ALONG GRAND RIVER WHERE THERE'S BEEN A PATHWAY FOR DECADES.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLUMER AND THE NAMELESS COMPANY HAS BEEN NAMED [LAUGHTER]. BUT I AGREE CUTTING THROUGH.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT THIS COMPANY CAN DO TO ALLOW CUT THROUGH THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND BUT WITH THAT BEING A PARKING LOT, I WOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT EVEN INTRODUCING ANYTHING INTO THAT ARENA.

THANKS, COMMISSIONER SCALES. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU.

WE COULD NEVER EXTRACT A CONDITION FROM SOMEBODY THAT DEPENDED ON WHAT A NEIGHBOR MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT SAY.

I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF MAYBE IN SITE PLAN REVIEW IF THEY COULD AT LEAST DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ASKED, WOULD THAT BE ONEROUS? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN EVEN IF SOME EVEN IF TRADER JOE'S WERE TO SAY YES.

YOU'RE THEN ASKING THEM TO GO BACK TO SITE PLAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

APPROVED. YEAH.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY.

ALL I'M THINKING IS COULD WE ASK THEM TO TALK IT.

IF YOU WANT TO ASK STAFF TO ASK THEM ABOUT IT DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW WE CAN ENTER.

WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT OPTIONS DURING SITE PLAN.

I CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING.

AND BY THEM YOU MEANT TRADER JOE'S OR THIS APPLICANT, OR BOTH.

I CAN SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT I DON'T.

I SEE IT AS A LANDLOCKED PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE ACCESS HERE OFF OF DOWN AVENUE BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL HERE.

THE HUNTSMAN ADVANCED MATERIALS.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A RETAINING WALL HERE, AND YOU'VE GOT TOWNSHIP PATHWAY, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR THE NON-MOTORIZED TRAFFIC COMING UP HERE AND CONNECTING TO THE GRAND RIVER PATHWAY.

HAVING SAID THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY, NON-MOTORIZED CONNECTIVITY MORE, MORE THOROUGHLY DURING SITE PLAN.

AND IF WE SEE A SOLUTION, WE CAN DO IT.

MY PERSONAL REFLECTION IS THAT RATHER THAN DOING ONE OFFS ON PROPERTIES, WE SHOULD GO WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S NON-MOTORIZED PATHWAY PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PROPERTIES ARE BEING GOING THROUGH SITE PLAN, THAT THEY ALIGN TO THAT.

AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, THEN THAT'S SORT OF A BIGGER CONVERSATION.

IT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, YOU WANTED TO, NO FINISH YOUR.

SO IT'S JUST THINKING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT I PARTICULARLY GIVEN SEQUENCING OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND DIFFERENT PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE ENCOURAGING THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS.

I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE REQUIRING THEM JUST PERSONALLY.

COMMISSIONER BROOKS. I, I MEAN, I TOTALLY HEAR, WHAT COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL IS SAYING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I ALSO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH PARKING LOTS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL AMERICANS, AND WE ARE TRAINED TO WALK THROUGH PARKING LOT SAFELY.

SO I DON'T REALLY BUY THOSE ARGUMENTS, BUT, SO THE I ALSO HAD A QUESTION.

SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, ARE THEY LIKE FOR THIS FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PLACED? ARE THOSE COMPLETELY.

THIS IS FOR YOU.

OKAY. ARE THEY COMPLETELY UP TO US AS A COMMISSION OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF, W HAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES AROUND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? ONE OF THE POINTS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, AS OPPOSED TO USES, BY RIGHT, IS THAT, YOU DO HAVE DISCRETION.

YOU CAN PUT ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY APPLYING TO THIS, BUT, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN 30FT OR NO MORE, YOU KNOW, OR CHARACTERIZATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, THINGS THAT TIE TO THE

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I IF IT GOT A FIELD IF IT STARTED SAYING WE WE CONDITION ON YOU KNOW RED BRICK I DON'T HAVE A RED BRICK STANDARD.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH I THINK SO.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION RELATED TO THIS.

SO THEN I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT FOR A CONDITION IS THE RATHER THAN LETTING TRAFFIC ENTER AND EXIT OFF OF GRAND RIVER, JUST LETTING TRAFFIC ENTER OFF GRAND RIVER AS A POTENTIAL CONDITION OF THE SITE.

SO THEN IT WOULD STILL LET PEOPLE GET ON OFF THAT PART OF THE STREET.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO EXIT ON DAWN AVENUE.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF US HAD LAST TIME.

SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT WAS PLACED ON A SPECIAL PERMIT LIKE THIS? YOU AT THIS POINT, YOU DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE RESOLUTION.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, GET SUPPORT AND VOTE ON ADDING IT AS A CONDITION TO THE RESOLUTION.

I WILL LET THE ENGINEER SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT WOULD WORK FOR THEIR SITE OR NOT BUT.

[INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED TRAFFIC STUDY THAT ACCOUNTS FOR TWO WAY TRAFFIC ON THE GRAND RIVER ENTRANCE.

SO AND MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE DIAGRAM THAT WE SAW LAST MONTH THAT I THINK IS IN OUR PACKET NOW, IT SHOWS THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AS BECAUSE REMEMBER, OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ONLY FOR BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PUT A DRIVE THRU DRIVE THRU, WITHOUT ANY PERMIT OR ANYTHING THEY JUST DO IT.

SO BUT IT'S THAT THEY COME IN AND GO AROUND TO GO TO THE DRIVE THRU.

SO TO REQUIRE THEM TO EXIT ON DAWN AVENUE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO ANOTHER LOOP AROUND THE BUILDING.

AND THAT IS CORRECT.

THE WAY THE FACILITY IS SITED, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE WITHOUT GENERATING MORE TRAFFIC [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT A MOTION HAS NOT BEEN MADE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION OKAY.

WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.

WELL, OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT BEFORE I IF I DO THAT.

I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND CONDITIONS AND I SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.

AND THAT WAS JUST AN IDEA OF ONE.

LET ME THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND.

OKAY. WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE MORE DISCUSSION, I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE SO.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MOTION? OKAY, THEN I WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER SCALES.

YES. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

NO. COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.

NO. AND COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES.

SO WE HAVE FOUR YESES TWO NO'S.

OKAY. MOTION PASSES.

[INAUDIBLE] I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA FOR UNFINISHED BUSINESS NUMBER [INAUDIBLE] SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 24002, 1614 WEST GRAND RIVER.

[8.B. SUP #24002 – 1614 West Grand River]

YOU DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TWO WEEKS AGO.

THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT IS IN THERE.

AND THE LINK TO ALL THE, MATERIAL THERE.

REMINDER, YOU DO HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS TO VOTE ON TONIGHT.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE.

WE STARTED PUTTING THESE IN HERE THIS WITH THIS PACKET SOME SUGGESTED, LANGUAGE FOR MOTIONS.

THE FIRST IS TO APPROVE THE USE OF THE CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE FACILITY, AND THEN THE NEXT IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SIZE OF THE SELF

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SO YOU APPROVE THE USE THEY APPROVE THE SIZE AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

THESE ARE BOTH UNDER THE SAME SPECIAL USE PERMIT THOUGH.

WE'RE MOVING THEM UNDER THE SAME NUMBER.

THAT IS CORRECT. I MEAN THEY'RE HAND IN HAND.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE ONE OR BOTH RESOLUTIONS.

I HAVE QUESTIONS.

I DIDN'T ASK DURING THE LAST HEARING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME ANYWAY.

SURE, SURE. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE LIGHTING, THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING, IT BEING NEAR A WETLAND, LIGHT POLLUTION, WILDLIFE. SURE.

CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.

WE WILL LOOK AT LIGHTING.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN WITH SITE PLAN.

BUT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS NONE OF THE ALL OF THE LIGHT HAS TO STAY ON THE SITE HAS TO BE ZERO AT THE PROPERTY LINES.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS? WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTIONS? ARE YOU CALLING FOR A MOTION? YES. IF YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. BOTH OF THEM [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER BLUMER MOVES.

SECOND. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SECONDS.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST QUESTIONING IF WE GOT BOTH MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.

WE PROBABLY NEED ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT A TIME.

LET'S START WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOTION TO CONSTRUCT A STORAGE FACILITY GREATER THAN 25,000FT² AT 1614 WEST GRAND RIVER.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU? COMMISSIONER BLUMER AND COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL THAT WE START WITH THAT MOTION? OKAY, LET'S DISCUSS THAT AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE THE SECOND MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAD WITH THE PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED WAS THE ABSOLUTE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

SO, SO CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

BUT AFTER HEARING THE PRESENTATION AND EXAMINING THIS, WHAT WE HAVE FOR A SITE PLAN, THERE SEEMS TO BE ENOUGH SEPARATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT I'M NO LONGER TROUBLED BY THAT.

OKAY, THAT'S WHY I INTRODUCED THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE I WILL SUPPORT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

THANK YOU. IT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO OVERWHELM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND I'M SORRY TO BE FIDDLING PAPERS AROUND HERE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.

I'M NOT SURE I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SIZE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.

BUT I THINK THOSE CONCERNS ARE WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD.

SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING OUR PORTION.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MOTION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.

THE SIZE. THE SIZE IS OUR PORTION, ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY'RE OVER 25,000FT², THEY GO TO THE BOARD WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

THE BOARD APPROVES IT.

GOT IT. SO AND WE'RE ALSO BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S A STORAGE FACILITY.

CORRECT.

AND THEN ONCE WE SAY YES WE THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY THEN LET'S MOVE TO THE SIZE.

I APOLOGIZE. RECOMMENDATION IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T CLARIFY.

MY MOTION IS ACTUALLY TO APPROVE THE IDEA OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE IDEA OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.

OKAY. SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT MOTION AND THAT MOTION TO RECOMMEND THIS SPECIAL? THAT'S THE MOTION I WAS SPEAKING TO.

OKAY. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY. LET'S CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

COMMISSIONER SCALES.

YES. COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

YES. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.

YES. COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES.

ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S MOVE TO THE MOTION TO.

NOW WE NEED A SECOND.

NOW WE NEED A MOTION.

THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

RIGHT. I MOVE TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FACILITY OVER 25,000FT² AT 1614 WEST GRAND RIVER.

I'LL SECOND IT.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL MOVED, COMMISSIONER BROOKS SECOND.

NOW, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION?

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DID YOU WANT TO TALK? I'M GOOD WITH IT. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO NEED TO DUST UP ON MY TRAINING.

I THINK IF I'M GOING TO WORK.

I THINK YOU'RE DOING GREAT. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, JUST FORGET ABOUT THE CAMERA UP THERE.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS TEAMWORK.

GIVEN NO DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION, LET'S CALL FOR THE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

YES. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.

YES. COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

YES. COMMISSIONER SCALES.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES.

SO THIS WILL NEXT STEPS ARE WE WILL FORWARD THE SIZE PORTION OF THIS TO THE BOARD WITH THE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING OF THIS MEETING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, ASSUMING THAT'S APPROVED, THEY'LL BE READY TO PROCEED TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, I'M SORRY WE LOST MY AGENDA, BUT I BELIEVE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS.

[9.A. 2024 Workplan Discussion]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.

PLAN UPDATE, AND YOU'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS CONVERSATION, AND WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE OPPORTUNE TIME.

AND THIS IS IT. SO, WE'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WORKING ON, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER BROOKS HAS BROUGHT UP OFF-STREET PARKING AS AN ISSUE.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BEGAN LOOKING INTO LAST YEAR.

WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT TO A POINT ANYWHERE NEAR A POINT WHERE WE COULD, BRING SOMETHING TO YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME BACKGROUND WORK ON THAT.

ALSO, SMALL AREA STUDIES, PARTICULARLY THE MALL WAS ADDED THIS YEAR, M-78 WAS WAS ADDED, WHERE IN THE TOWNSHIP YOU'D BEGIN LIKE TO BEGIN LOOKING IF AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.

SO QUITE FRANKLY, YOU ARE SETTING MY AGENDA FOR THE YEAR.

GREAT. YEAH.

THE SMALL AREA STUDIES ARE GREAT.

I WAS GOING TO COMMENT LATER ON SOME STUFF I SAW IN THE ANNUAL REPORT ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WITH TOWNSHIP STAFF HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH FOLKS IN THE MALL AND THINGS, AND THERE'S LOTS OF COOL STUFF IN THERE. WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF, KIND OF HOT TOPICS THAT CAME AFTER ALL THE MAIN GOAL PIECES, AND THAT'S GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF FOR US TO CHEW ON. YOU KNOW WHAT? I BET I CAN FIND THAT IF I LOOK.

I WAS GOING TO TRY, BUT I KNOW YOU CAN FIND IT FASTER THAN ME.

YOU'RE GIVING ME CREDIT.

LET'S SEE HERE. I NEED TO GO BACK HERE D EPARTMENTS.

SPEAKERS] EXCUSE ME. SO IT'S LIKE PAGE 16 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE WE GO. THIS IS TOO MUCH LIKE REAL WORK.

YEAH.

GO. LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

CONSOLIDATE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.

THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO WORK ON NOW.

BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY STATUS THAT WILL START LOOKING AND COUNTING BICYCLES.

THAT'LL BE A MULTI.

THAT'LL THAT'LL BE SIMMERING IN THE BACKGROUND.

WE DON'T NEED TO GET TO THAT RIGHT AWAY.

EV STATIONS, EV CHARGING STATIONS.

ALTERNATIVE ENERGY GENERATION ORDINANCE.

BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PLAN.

THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PLAN IS IN THERE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE OF OUR BICYCLE FRIENDLY STATUS, WE NEED THAT PLAN IN PLACE.

SO IF WE WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, NOT IN A SIDE BY SIDE BASIS, AND I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE POINTS, YOU CAN SEE THEM.

SO MY POINT IN POINTING TO THIS IS THAT MANY OF THESE INVOLVE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS READY TO WORK WITH WHOMEVER ON ON SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT IT STILL GIVES US A BIG SHOPPING LIST OF STUFF WE MIGHT WANT TO.

OKAY. CHEW ON.

[00:35:01]

A QUESTION FOR BRIAN.

A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY IN MULTIPLE AREAS IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW SENIOR CENTER.

THAT WOULD BE A PUBLICLY OWNED OR OWNED BUILDING.

WOULD THAT COME BEFORE US OR IS THAT JUST GOES STRAIGHT TO THE.

I'LL HAVE TO I'LL HAVE TO ASK ABOUT THAT I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

WE DO I DO I WILL SAY WE DO TYPICALLY TOWNSHIP FACILITIES ARE NOT IMMUNE TO OUR ORDINANCES.

YOU SEE SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR TOWNSHIP PATHS GOING THROUGH FLOODPLAINS AND WHATNOT.

SO I WOULD ASSUME, BUT I CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. I GUESS MY ASK OF THE STAFF IS TO, KIND OF HIGHLIGHT FOR OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WHICH OF THESE THEY THINK ARE IN OUR, BAILIWICK SO THAT WE CAN WINNOW THEM DOWN.

AND MAYBE IF THERE'S A CHANCE TO CROSSWALK WITH OTHER FOLKS THAT WE MIGHT BE WORKING WITH ON THE ONES THAT.

SO WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AT THIS END.

THANK YOU.

MR. BROOKS. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, YES, I HAVE SEVERAL.

OKAY. SO I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR SINCE THAT WAS MY FIRST YEAR ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I LOVE BEING ON, BY THE WAY.

SO AND I THINK THESE ARE DEFINITELY RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE MASTER PLAN.

SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE OR THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR EXPLORING IS DISABLED ACCESS TO BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY FROM SIDEWALKS.

SO WHENEVER WE WHENEVER I WALK AROUND THE TOWNSHIP, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FROM SIDEWALKS TO BUILDINGS IN MANY PLACES.

I WAS PLEASED BY THE THE RESTAURANT DRIVE THRU THAT WE APPROVED THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD A VERY PURPOSEFUL SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THEIR FRONT ENTRANCE THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE, AND IF I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE IF YOU'RE LIKE, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, THEN JUST BE LIKE, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS. SO THE DISABLED ACCESS TO BUILDINGS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THIS ONE IS KIND OF OUT THERE, BUT I JUST LIKE THE IDEA.

HAVING SOME SORT OF NATIVE PLANT REQUIREMENTS IN OUR PLANTS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED OR LIKE, PUT IN WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING NEW PROPERTIES, SPECIFICALLY A LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

OH, UPSCALE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.

SO YEAH. SO FOR THE UPDATE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, I GUESS LOW IMPACT DESIGN STANDARDS MAY INCLUDE LIKE LOCAL FLORA AND FAUNA.

OKAY. SO I'M A FAN OF THAT.

PARKING MINIMUMS. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT.

I'M JUST ADVOCATING FOR THAT ONE AGAIN, REDUCING THOSE.

THE ANOTHER ONE THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL JUST IDEAS THAT I HAVE HAVE HAD WAS, A THING, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT WHENEVER WE DO TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR NEW BUILDINGS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ALWAYS ONLY FOCUSED ON THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT DOESN'T REALLY ACCOUNT FOR, WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE, THE AREA IN GENERAL.

SO, LIKE, IF WE THINK ABOUT ONE BUILDING BEING ADDED TO ONE PLACE, WELL, THEN OF COURSE THE TRAFFIC IS NEVER GOING TO BE THAT EXTENSIVE.

BUT IF WE ADDED LIKE TWO SPECIALTY GROCERIES AND A NEW RESTAURANT IN ONE SPOT, WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

AND SO I JUST WAS THINKING ABOUT IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO FOR US TO TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC IN OUR COMMUNITY FROM AN ADDITIONAL PLACE.

SO I WILL INTERRUPT AND SAY, YES, WE DID JUST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, UPDATE OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ORDINANCE.

OH, OKAY. THAT'S TO BRING EVERYTHING INTO CONFORMITY.

AND WE HAD WE HAD.

LIKE LIKE IT WAS TRAFFIC SAY WAS TRIGGERED FOR A AT 100 FOR A SITE PLAN AND 250 FOR DIFFERENT THING.

WE BROUGHT IT ALL TO ONE STANDARD.

WE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.

I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REZONING OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS ACCOUNTING FOR SOMETHING, I WOULD SAY YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ME, THE STAFF, IF I, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE THE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT.

IT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE TRADER JOE'S.

[00:40:01]

YOU COULD MAKE A CONDITION OF OF APPROVAL AMENDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

OR YOU COULD YOU COULD TABLE THE MOTION UNTIL THEY UPDATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YOU SEE THERE THAT'S THAT'S A MECHANISM.

IF A FORMAL MECHANISM WE CAN INVESTIGATE.

BUT WE HAVE WE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF AN UPDATE OF TRAFFIC.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? OH, NO NO NO NO.

OKAY. BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

AND JUST FOR CLARITY, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST SORT OF THROWING OUT IDEAS, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS LIST, REFINE IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION IN FUTURE.

SURE. SO YEAH.

YEAH. YEAH.

AND I'M NOT SAYING LIKE I ALSO HAVE MY OWN PRIORITIES.

AND I REALIZE THIS IS SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.

THESE ARE JUST THE THINGS I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THEM OUT THERE.

AND IF PEOPLE OH THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. SO THEN THE OH, I HAVE ANOTHER NOTE HERE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE ONES I OFFERED. THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD FOR ME FOR RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO THROW IN THE HOPPER FOR CONSIDERATION? I'D LIKE TO THROW ONE THING OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

LET ME GET OUT OF THIS.

I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU ON OUR PARCEL VIEWER SOMETHING, MAPS AND GIS.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN ON THE ZONING LAYER SO I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT WE HAVE AN AREA IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT'S ZONED [INAUDIBLE] VILLAGE.

WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT THE REFERENCES IN THAT ORDINANCE ARE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IT'S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

NO ONE'S EVER REALLY BROUGHT IT UP.

THEY'RE INCORRECT.

IT'S SPECIFIC TO TAKE YOUR TIME, DON'T RUSH.

IT'S THE ZONING.

THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

IT'S LESS THAN 200 PARCELS.

LESS LIKE AROUND 150, I FORGET EXACTLY WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION IN ABOUT A MONTH, WITH A FORMAL MEMO AND SOME OPTIONS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE DISTRICT.

VERY SIMPLY, WE COULD UP ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE DISTRICT.

IT'S LIKE THE LAND USES REFER TO THE IT SAYS ANYTHING ALLOWED IN THE RB DISTRICT PLUS DUPLEXES AND THE SPECIAL USES ARE ANYTHING ALLOWED IN THIS SECTION [INAUDIBLE] SPECIFIC SUBJECT SECTION.

AND THEN THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS REFER TO DIFFERENT SECTIONS IN THE ORDINANCE.

ALL OF THOSE REFERENCES TO THOSE OTHER SECTIONS ARE INCORRECT.

SO AT MINIMUM WE NEED TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE TO BRING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT CORRECT.

WHILE WE'RE DOING IT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT REZONING THE PROPERTIES EN MASSE INTO SOMETHING CONFORMING AND GET RID OF THE RN DISTRICT? WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS FROM THE ORDINANCE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER TASK, BUT CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.

IT IT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA.

DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT IS COMING BEFORE YOU.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH YOU CAN.

IT'S ABOUT TIME.

OKAY BRIAN I'M CONFUSED.

SO WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN LAND USE WISE.

YEAH. LIKE OR HOW IS IT BEING CHANGED OR HOW ARE YOU EXAMINING.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE USES.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. WE'RE SAYING LIKE IF IT'S A HOUSE, IF IT'S IF IT'S MOST OF THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND IT'S REFERRING AND THE AND THE VILLAGE OF THE ORDINANCE SAYS REFERS BACK TO THE RB OR RB DISTRICT, WHY DON'T WE JUST CALL IT A ZONED RB? AND IF YOU DO THAT ENOUGH TIMES, WHY DO WE HAVE THE VILLAGE OF [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT SPECIFIC? ON THE OTHER HAND, ON THE OTHER END OF THE SCALE, HOLY.

THIS MIGHT BE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE LAKE DISTRICT.

AND AND THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL AREA STUDY IN ITS OWN RIGHT.

DOES THE VILLAGE OF [INAUDIBLE] IS DO THEY HAVE IS IT LIKE A HAVE SPECIAL ORDINANCE? I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO OUR NORMAL.

[00:45:02]

IT'S JUST A ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS SO SINCE I'VE OPENED THE WORMS. SO HERE'S OUR SCHEDULE.

SO HERE'S OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, AND HERE'S OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

AND RIGHT HERE IS THE VILLAGE OF VILLAGE OF [INAUDIBLE] VILLAGE MIXED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO WHEN I COME IN HERE, THE ONLY ONE THE USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT ARE EVERYTHING IN THE RB DISTRICT.

ANYWAY, I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS.

AND THEN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES [INAUDIBLE] VILLAGE UNIQUE, IS THAT DUPLEXES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN [INAUDIBLE].

BUT THEN THIS GETS PROBLEMATIC.

USE IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT ARE WHATEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR SAYS AND THEN EVERYTHING IN SUBSECTION 86-376, PARAGRAPH C, WHICH TAKES YOU TO THE MIXED TO THE MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING YOU CAN DO MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO A DENSITY OF NO GREATER THAN 14 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THESE REFERENCES TO DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE WRONG.

SO AT THE VERY MINIMUM, WE NEED TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CREATE TO FIX THOSE REFERENCES.

OUR POINT IS WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE IT FURTHER HOW FAR WE GO WITH IT.

THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE WITH YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE.

HAS THIS ISSUE COME UP FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST, OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU SPOTTED AND SAID, OH, WE GOT TO FIX THIS, OR? THE TEXT PORTION OF IT IS, YES.

YES, WE WE HAVE THAT.

WE HAVE FOUND IT.

OKAY. BUT NOBODY CAME AND SAID, I WANT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING THERE.

CAN I, CAN I GET A.

NO. WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING AROUND IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S WE'RE CLEANING THE ORDINANCE UP LITTLE BY LITTLE.

IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD TEXT AMENDMENT TO JUST FIX THE REFERENCES AND THEN TAKE OUT THE SENTENCE ABOUT YOU GUYS GET TO DETERMINE YOU AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR GET TO DETERMINE WHAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT SUPPORTED IN STAFF.

WHEN THIS COMES TO US FOR WHATEVER FOR CONSIDERATION, I'D BE REALLY CURIOUS.

AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THIS, BUT IN THE HISTORY OF LIKE HOW IT CAME TO BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT.

SO I DON'T NEED YOU TO SHARE THAT WITH US NOW.

BUT WHEN, WHEN THE TIME COMES, I'D BE TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE WHY IS THIS SO DIFFERENT? AND WAS THERE A HISTORY BEHIND IT THAT MADE SENSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME? BUT THAT COULD BE A CONVERSATION FOR, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE MEETING OVER A COCKTAIL.

INSTEAD, I WILL LOOK AND SEE WHAT I CAN FIND FOR YOU.

OKAY, I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T A RESULT.

THIS ISN'T A RESULT OF LIKE RECENT CHANGES OR ANYTHING, IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

JUST OKAY IN THE NAME OF CLEANING THE ORDINANCE UP.

WE'VE DONE OTHER TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THAT END, AND IT'S IT'S THEIR TURN.

I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THIS OR LOOKING FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.

YEAH, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO DO OUR JOBS WITH STUFF LIKE THIS NOT THERE TO CONFUSE US EVEN MORE.

NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BUILD AROUND SOMETHING.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK AND CLEANING UP THE THINGS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY THERE.

THAT'S GOOD. SO JUST OUT OF GOOD JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

SO IT'S SET IN THERE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR PLANNING DIRECTOR.

IS THAT, IS THAT ONLY FOR THAT PORTION? OR DOES THE. IS THERE SIMILAR LANGUAGE LIKE THAT IN OTHER FASCINATING.

BE A LOT OF LANGUAGE IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF PLANNING THAT LEFT EVERYTHING UP TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR,

[00:50:01]

YEAH, IT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT I CAN RESEARCH THAT AND TRY TO GET YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

JUST CURIOUS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT MATTERS TO GET THINGS RIGHT IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IT'S KIND OF COOL TO KNOW.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE NOW FOR CONSIDERATION, I MY BRAIN IS SORT OF BLANK ON THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS BROUGHT UP, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING TO THE MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION SECTION AND HAVING YOU HIGHLIGHT THE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE GOING TO BE HELPFUL OR ALIGNED TO THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, OTHER GROUPS ARE ALREADY WORKING ON AS WELL.

I CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BACKCHANNEL.

IF YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK TO LEROY AND AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF OVERLAP.

IF THERE IS, I CAN BRING THAT FORWARD.

I'M KIND OF HEARING I'LL LOOK INTO THE SENIOR CENTER AND GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT.

BUT, OFF STREET PARKING STANDARDS, ADA ACCESS, LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.

I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE VILLAGE OF [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT MIGHT JUST.

IF YOU IF YOU LIKE, IF YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE IT TO THAT.

LIKE I SAID, THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BIG THING.

AND I HEARD YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK AT THE MALL AREA.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, A, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT HERE'S HERE'S WHAT THE AREA IS, HERE'S THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE AREA, ALMOST A ALMOST A SOUPED UP MARKETING PIECE.

AND THEN IF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO SPECIFIC, BUT JUST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT YEAH, IF I COULD CLARIFY, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR INTRO SMALL AREA STUDIES AND I THINK THAT'S, WAS WE ORIGINALLY THINKING ABOUT I THREW THEM ALL IN. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE IT CAUGHT MY EYE THAT THERE HAD BEEN THAT, SOME DISCUSSIONS GOING ON.

AND SO I THINK WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SMALL AREA STUDIES TO THINK ABOUT TACKLING POTENTIALLY.

YEAH. SO IF WE BRING THIS BACK NEXT MONTH, KIND OF THROW THESE OUT A LIST.

IF ANYBODY COMES UP WITH ANYTHING MORE YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT NEXT.

SURE. AND DOES THAT TIMING WORK FOR YOU.

YEAH I'LL LET ME PUT THIS IN MEMO FORM.

AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE AS OUR AS OUR TASKS FOR THE YEAR.

AND I'LL BRING THIS TO YOU.

AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME THAT'S FINE.

PERFECT. I JUST I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID OFF SITE PARKING.

OFF STREET PARKING. OFF STREET PARKING.

YEAH. SO I SPECIFICALLY AM INTERESTED IN THE PARKING MINIMUMS. THAT IS PART OF THE SAME.

IS THAT PART OF THAT OR THE SAME THING OR THE PARKING PARKING REGULATIONS, MINIMUM STANDARDS ARE IN THE OFF STREET ORDINANCE.

OFF STREET PARKING ORDINANCE.

OKAY, OKAY. IT'S JUST THERE ARE MORE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

OKAY. COOL. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. GREAT.

THANKS, EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA UNDER OTHER BUSINESS IS 9B.

[9.B. Resolution of Appreciation – Peter Trezise]

COMMISSIONER SCALES, I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT.

IT'S TOWARDS THE END THERE, RIGHT? AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT AS YOU'RE MOVING IT? NO, I'VE GOT IT NOW.

I DON'T HAVE IT NOW.

[INAUDIBLE] IT'S NOT SHOWING UP IN MY PACKET HERE.

IT SHOULD BE SECOND TO LAST PAGE.

SPEAKERS] AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN, HELD ON THE 12TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2024 AT 6:30 P.M.

LOCAL TIME.

PRESENT ALL MEMBERS EXCEPT FOR MEMBER MCCURDY MCCURTIS.

CURTIS. [INAUDIBLE] CURTIS.

YES. THINKING OF SOMEBODY ELSE.

[00:55:01]

AND WHEREAS, MR. TREZISE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ADVANCE AND ACHIEVE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, SELFLESSLY CONTRIBUTING VALUABLE FOCUS, PERSPECTIVE, INSIGHT AND ENERGY TO OUR MOST CHALLENGING EFFORTS AND SUBSEQUENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

AND WHEREAS MR. TREZISE HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO THE MERIDIAN BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND MUST RESIGN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN WISHES PUBLICLY TO RECOGNIZE, COMMEND AND THANK PETER TREZISE FOR INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO AND IMPACTS ON THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS COMMISSION IS GRATEFUL FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVICE AND WISHES YOU WELL IN YOUR FUTURE PURSUITS.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN, INGHAM COUNTY, MICHIGAN, HEREBY ADOPTS THIS TRIBUTE OF APPRECIATION TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER PETER TREZISE AS PRESENTED.

[INAUDIBLE] ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WOULD AMEND THE LETTER.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIM HOLDING MY HAND FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.

WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE TRANSMITTAL MEMO.

ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. I WILL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, COMMISSIONER SCALES.

ALL IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER SCALES? OH, AYE. COMMISSIONER BLUMER AYE.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL AYE.

COMMISSIONER BROOKS AYE.

COMMISSIONER SNYDER AYE AND THE CHAIR VOTES.

YES. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO COMMISSIONER TREZISE [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULE APPROVAL.

[9.C. 2024 Planning Commission Schedule – Reapproval]

THIS HAS HAPPENED TO OTHER OTHER BOARDS, TOO.

TWO OF THE MEETING DATES ARE GOVERNMENT HOLIDAYS.

IT'S IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT YOU COULD CANCEL THE MAY 27TH, WHICH IS MEMORIAL DAY.

MAY THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

NOVEMBER 11TH IS VETERANS DAY AGAIN TOWNSHIP OFFICE IS CLOSED.

WE DO NOT DID NOT THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO CANCEL THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING FOR TWO MONTHS.

SO IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED YOU CAN MOVE THAT TO THE 18TH.

IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS, THEN I WILL, UPDATE MY APPLICATION DEADLINES AND GET THOSE ONLINE.

THANK. GREAT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS UPDATED SCHEDULE? SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY CALENDAR.

COULD YOU GIVE ME THE SWAP DATES AGAIN? THE NOVEMBER 11TH.

MOVE THAT TO NOVEMBER 18TH AND THEN CANCEL THE 27TH OF MAY.

SO JUST ONE MEETING IN MAY AND ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER AND ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER.

THAT'S A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS AMENDED.

OKAY. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER SCALES TO APPROVE THE REVISED CORRECTED 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE.

LET'S TAKE A VOTE SO THAT MOTION IS APPROVED AND WE HAVE A NEW CALENDAR.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. COME BACK THOUGH, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE AT TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATES.

[10.A. Township Board update.]

[01:00:04]

THE MARSH ROAD REZONING THAT YOU GUYS LOOKED AT, HAS BEEN APPROVED.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATE, BUT I KNOW THAT HAPPENED.

QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CAR WASH ON MARSH ROAD? WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? DRAIN COMMISSIONER OFFICE REVIEW.

THEY APPROVED IT. NO.

THEY HAVE. THEY'RE STILL IN REVIEW.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THEY THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF SITE PLAN REVIEW, HAVE BEEN FOR A WHILE.

WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL UNTIL WE GET DRAIN COMMISSIONER APPROVAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I'M ON 10B LIAISON REPORTS.

[10.B. Liaison reports.]

SEVERAL PEOPLE HAD OTHER COMMITMENTS ON THAT DATE, INCLUDING MYSELF.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES TO SHARE? I THINK THE LAST CIA MEETING WAS CANCELED AS WELL, I THINK.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CIA MEETING NEXT WEEK.

THANK YOU. NO MORE, PROJECT UPDATES.

[11.A. Project Report]

NOT IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO? ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON PROJECT UPDATES? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. SEVERAL THINGS CAUGHT MY EYE.

IN THE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SECTION, THE LAST ITEM IS THE MSU LAKE LANSING PHASE TWO UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT MOVING FORWARD.

WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE TRAILHEAD, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A BUNCH OF EARTHWORKS JUST ACROSS AFTER THE CULVERT.

OKAY. AND, I CAN'T RECALL.

I REMEMBER THAT WE LOOKED AT A COMPENSATING CUT, REGARDING THE TRAIL, BUT I DON'T RECALL POTENTIAL WETLAND IMPACTS OF PHASE TWO. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT, THEN GREAT.

BUT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE.

YOU MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, LIKE THEY'RE CUTTING TOO MUCH.

THERE'S A DRAIN [INAUDIBLE] MUD LAKE OUTLET DRAIN RUNS UNDER THE BEGINNING OF THE TRAILHEAD, PAST THE APARTMENTS AND, AS THE TRAIL GOES UP THE HILL, THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF DIRT MOVED AROUND.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS OR WHERE THE CUTS OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU DID GIVE THEM AN APPROVAL.

I'D HAVE TO DO YOU WANT ME TO LOOK INTO THAT? OR IF YOU WANTED, THE, TOWNSHIP WETLAND MAP MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THE WETLANDS EXTEND RIGHT DOWN THERE, WHICH YOU'D EXPECT, BECAUSE IT'S A DRAIN.

IT'S WET, IT'S SWAMP.

IT'S, AND WE'RE VERY DEMANDING OF OF PRIVATE APPLICANT, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THEY DIG AROUND OUR WETLANDS.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CROSSING ALL OUR T'S AND DOTTING ALL OUR I'S.

SO THIS IS A QUESTION SORT OF RELATED THAT I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO.

AND I DON'T OFFHAND.

THE DATE APPROVED IS THAT THE DATE THAT WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR THAT'S THE DATE THAT THE TOWNSHIP BOARD APPROVED IT, OR THAT FINAL APPROVAL WAS GRANTED ON YOUR CHART HERE? IT DEPENDS ON THE APPROVAL IN SOME IN SOME TIME LIKE SITE PLANS.

THAT'S WHEN WE ISSUED THE APPROVAL LETTER.

GOT IT. COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I SEE WHY I DIDN'T COULDN'T FIND THE, CAR WASH YOU MOVED IT OVER TO OKEMOS ROAD.

OH. THAT WAS UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW, 4880 OKEMOS ROAD, TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA, 4880 OKEMOS ROAD.

I THINK THAT'S ON MARSH ROAD.

OH, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S THE STEAKHOUSE, RIGHT? THANK YOU. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S MARSH ROAD.

OKAY. I WAS LOOKING THAT IS A GOOD CATCH. SORRY.

AS LONG AS WE'RE PICKING NITS.

UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW, THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS IS LISTED AS AWAITING REVISIONS.

AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL OF THE MANY THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THAT PROJECT WHAT REVISIONS

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QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT.

WE, I HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD OTHERWISE OFFICIALLY, I AM STILL WAITING FOR REVISIONS FROM THAT MEETING.

THAT IS WHERE I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER FOUR ON THERE IS CONSUMERS CREDIT UNION, WHICH I THINK IS IN THE HOBBY LOBBY PARKING LOT.

YEAH. UNDER DRAIN COMMISSION REVIEW.

AND THEY'RE BUILDING. RIGHT? THEY'VE BUILT IT.

CORRECT. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE] UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE CAR WASH IS UNDER DRAIN COMMISSION REVIEW.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

THE CREDIT UNION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. I'LL MOVE THAT.

SORRY. AND FINALLY, NEW APPLICATIONS.

WHAT BOARD WOULD REVIEW THOSE? OH. REZONING.

NO, THEY WERE REZONING.

TAMARA DOESN'T KNOW ACTUALLY BOARD REVIEW THAT.

WELL, THAT THAT'S APPROVED NOW, SO I'LL TAKE THAT OFF THE LIST.

AND THEN THE OTHER, THE [INAUDIBLE] STREET REZONING.

STILL, IT STILL HAS ONE MORE MEETING, I THINK, FOR THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

YES. TOWNSHIP BOARD.

THANK YOU. SURE.

I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING ON LAKE LANSING AND MARSH BEHIND LIKE CHEESY D'S.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN PREPARED, BUT LIKE, IT'S.

I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THEY'RE AT.

I HAVEN'T GOT A SITE PLAN ON THAT YET.

OH, OKAY. I'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS, ONE WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT, ONE WITH SOME DESIGNERS THAT THEY BROUGHT ON BOARD FOR A TIME ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE.

I'VE SEEN A COUPLE DRAWINGS, BUT NOTHING OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED.

WHEN IT DOES, I'LL ADD THAT.

THANKS. SURE.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THEN WE ARE AT PUBLIC REMARKS.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO GIVE PUBLIC REMARKS?

[12. PUBLIC REMARKS]

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT A GREEN SHEET, PLEASE DO SO.

AND THEN. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL YOU CAN GET WHAT THE STAFF AFTERWARDS.

BUT IF YOU'D GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

MY NAME IS ANN PERKINS.

IT'S 5972 VILLAGE DRIVE IN HASLETT.

I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF HASLETT BEAUTIFICATION ASSOCIATION.

AND WHEN I HEARD THE WORD LANDSCAPE, MY EARS KIND OF PERKED UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OR POWER, BUT, GOING FOR NATIVE PLANTS WHEN THAT DISCUSSION COMES UP IS GREAT.

BUT IF YOU COULD ADD ONE MORE WORD, DROUGHT RESISTANT NATIVE PLANTS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE IS DEFINITELY HAVING AN EFFECT.

AND IT HAD A HUGE EFFECT LAST SPRING ON ALL OF OUR BEDS THAT WE PLANTED IN THE HASLETT AREA.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU DO I LOVE IT.

YES, HARD WORKING GROUP OF PEOPLE I KNOW.

SOMEDAY I THINK I WANT TO JOIN.

THANK YOU. AND WE'RE AT COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY?

[13. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

I GOT FROM THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER A COPY OF THE 2023 ANNUAL REPORT, AND I'M CURIOUS IF EVERYBODY ELSE GOT IT.

YES, IT'S VOLUMINOUS AND IT'S CHOCK FULL OF GREAT STUFF.

AND ONE SECTION IN PARTICULAR I WOULD POINT TO IS A DISCUSSION OF, MIDDLE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, AND IT DISCUSSES, A GRANT THAT I GUESS THE TOWNSHIP HAS APPLIED FOR SOMETHING CALLED A CHILL GRANT FROM MICHIGAN HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING AUTHORITY.

AND THERE'S ALSO A MENTION OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE TO LAND TRUST STYLE MODELS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I'D REALLY LOVE TO LEARN ABOUT IT AND ALSO ABOUT SOME FORM OF A TIF.

SO IF THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE WORTH, A FEW MINUTES TO READ ABOUT THEM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET OUR OUR PLANNERS TO INFORM US.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STUFF ALREADY GOING ON.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE THAT GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAVE IT BECAUSE WE HAD KIND OF WRAPPED UP ON THE TOPICS OF INTEREST.

BUT THAT MISSING MIDDLE PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT, OH, I FIND INFINITELY FASCINATING AND WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE MORE AS A BOARD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT FOR US.

I DID LOOK AT IT, BUT NOT IN AS MUCH DETAIL.

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I'M GOING TO ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST THEN.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

THAT IS A THAT IS A VALID TOPIC.

VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I MOVE TO ADJOURN.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.