Sep 20, 2023 Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

[00:00:08]

WELCOME TO THE CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN.

THIS IS A ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING.

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023, AND IT IS 6:31 P.M..

AND I WILL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

[2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA]

I MOVE TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

THANK YOU. MEMBER TREZISE MOVE TO APPROVE SUPPORT BY THE CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE AGENDA? OTHERWISE WE WILL GO TO A VOTE.

THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

WILL GO ON TO.

YES, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I'M BLANKING.

DID YOU DO YOU NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? DID YOU DO A ROLL? OH, I'M SORRY.

I DID NOT DO A ROLL CALL.

APPRECIATE YOU. THIS IS A ROLL CALL FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS NOT PRESENT.

SO MEMBER KOENIG.

PRESENT. MEMBER BENNETT.

PRESENT. MEMBER TREZISE.

PRESENT. AND CHAIRMAN MANSOUR IS PRESENT.

SO WE HAVE APPROVED THE AGENDA.

[3. CORRECTIONS, APPROVAL AND RATIFICATION OF MINUTES]

EVERYBODY HOPEFULLY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THEM.

LOOKED GOOD TO ME, SO I WILL MOTION TO APPROVE.

I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION SUPPORTED BY MEMBER TREZISE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS ON THOSE MINUTES.

IF NOT, THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 16TH.

NEXT WE WILL GO TO COMMUNICATIONS OF WHICH THERE ARE TWO ONE FOR EACH OF OUR CASES.

[4. COMMUNICATIONS]

AND WE CAN TOUCH ON THOSE DURING THE CASES.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD, MR. CHAPMAN? SOUNDS GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

[6.A. ZBA CASE NO. 23-08 (6329 Milenz), Craig Skcozylas, 6329 Milenz Street, Haslett, MI 48840]

SKCOZYLAS OKAY, I WOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

6329 MILENZ STREET HASLETT, MICHIGAN, 48840.

MR. CHAPMAN, TAKE IT AWAY.

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT 6329 MULLEN STREET ON A VACANT LOT.

THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY WITH ATTACHED GARAGE CURRENTLY THERE THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED HOUSE AND GARAGE ON TWO SEPARATE LOTS.

SO IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO DO A LAND DIVISION OR COMBINE THE LOTS INTO ONE AND DEMOLISH THE EXISTING HOME THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE WETLANDS WERE DELINEATED BACK IN 2021.

THERE ARE TWO WETLANDS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT SITE WETLAND A, PULL IT UP HERE.

WETLAND A IS APPROXIMATELY 4.04 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS LOCATED 270FT NORTH OF LAKE LANSING.

WETLAND B IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 200FT NORTH OF LAKE LANSING, WITH APPROXIMATELY 0.35 ACRES OF WETLAND B LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT SITE.

THEY'RE BOTH REGULATED BY THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND THE TOWNSHIP DUE TO THEIR PROXIMITY TO LAKE LANSING.

THE IMPACTED WETLAND BUFFER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME IS ADJACENT TO WETLAND A BUT THERE'S NO DIRECT IMPACT TO THE WETLAND. SO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFIES ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 20 FOOT AND 40 FOOT BUFFER SURROUNDING THESE WETLANDS.

THE 40 FOOT WETLAND BUFFER SETBACK PROHIBITS STRUCTURES AND GRADING TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN IT.

THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT ITS CLOSEST POINT TO THE HOUSE WOULD BE LOCATED 23.1FT FROM THE WETLAND BOUNDARY.

SO IT WOULD ENCROACH 16.9FT INTO THE 40 FOOT WETLAND SETBACK.

SO A 16.9FT VARIANCE IS REQUESTED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE WITHIN THAT 40 FOOT SETBACK.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAPMAN. WOULD THE APPLICANT OR THE ANY REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK ON THE CASE AND ADD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO WHAT MR. CHAPMAN SAID? AND IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

MY NAME AND WHAT? YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

CRAIG SKCOZYLAS 6329 MILENZ STREET OWNER AND POTENTIAL RESIDENT ON THE MOVING OFF OF THE BLEND STREET ADDRESS AND BUILDING THE NEW HOUSE ON THE CORNER.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE AREA AT THE TIME.

WE WERE STARTING TO JUST BE ON MILENZ STREET, BUT THEN WE SAW WE HAD A GREAT VIEW OFF OF LAKE DRIVE AND THEN DECIDED TO PUT THE HOUSE ON THAT PART SO WE'D HAVE TAKE ADVANTAGE WITH THE TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT OUT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

AND WE MOVED THE HOUSE I'VE WORKED WITH KEITH.

WE MOVED THE BUILDING TO EVERY CORNER THAT WE COULD TO PULL IT OUT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK WE DID PULL IT OUT ABOUT TEN FEET.

I HAVE THE OLD PAPERWORK, SO WE DID WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO PULL IT OUT AS FAR AS WE COULD.

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD, MR. SKCOZYLAS. RIGHT? DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY? AWESOME. IF YOU COULD STAND UP THERE AND JUST WAIT FOR US, UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE THIS EVENING, WE'LL GET INTO.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE THIS EVENING, SIR? MR. SKCOZYLAS YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SO IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE.

AND AS SUCH, IT'S NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER FORUM.

WE CAN GIVE YOU TIME TO SPEAK, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE A BACK AND FORTH DIALOG WITH YOU.

BUT I'M ROD ERNST.

THE ADDRESS 6353 EAST REYNOLDS.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION POINT LET ME KIND OF GIVE YOU THESE.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE GENTLEMAN BUILDING WHERE HE IS ON THE CORNER.

I'M AROUND THE CORNER AND OUR ON THE LAKE ITSELF AND THE NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED BECAUSE WHAT THOSE PHOTOS SHOW HAS BEEN DUMPING OF ROCKS, BRUSH AND WOODCHIPS RIGHT IN THE WETLANDS, RIGHT NEXT TO THE WATER OF THE WETLANDS AND VEHICLES HAVE BEEN PARKED THERE FOR THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF.

THEY'VE BEEN GONE NOW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORS HAS A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND HAS KIND OF A WETLANDS DUMPED IN IT AND JUNK OF CARS SITTING THERE.

SO WHAT OUR CONCERN IS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND I'M KIND OF REPRESENTING THEM, IS AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T STOP, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAND IS OWNED AND SUPPOSEDLY HAS A RIGHT TO PARK THERE, BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE HOUSE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WETLANDS I'M ASSUMING I COULDN'T DUMP STUFF IN A WETLANDS AREA, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.

SO THAT'S OUR CONCERN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SPONSORS ANY QUESTIONS, BUT JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT CLEANED UP AND MAYBE ASSURANCE THAT THERE'S NO MORE DUMPING THERE OR PARKING IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS TOTALLY HUNDREDS OF FEET FROM THE HOUSE, IT'S THE BACK AREA COMING IN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T BASED ON BASED ON THAT DESCRIPTION.

SO CAN YOU PULL UP REYNOLDS YEAH, YOU WANT THE AERIAL.

SO QUAIL.

YEAH. SO RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN.

OKAY. WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ASSUME THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING WANTS TO TAKE PLACE.

BUT THIS IS COMPLETELY OVER FROM A DIFFERENT STREET.

SO IT'S JUST THAT THE PICTURE IS IT'S SOMEWHAT UNSIGHTLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KOSHER TO DUMP IN THE WETLANDS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN WAS WHEN THE TRUCK STARTED PARKING THERE.

SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, HE OWNS THE PROPERTY.

BUT THAT WAS OUR CONCERN WITH THIS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

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I WOULD SAY THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE PURVIEW OF THE ZONING BOARD, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND CONTACTING THE TOWNSHIP AND EITHER, OKAY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EITHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND BEING ALSO, YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN OF MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP WHEN I KNOW I'VE LIVED NEXT TO AN UNSIGHTLY HOUSE FOR MANY YEARS, THANKFULLY SOMEBODY LIVING IN IT NOW.

BUT WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SOMETIMES IT CAN GET FRUSTRATING AND I HEAR YOU ON THAT.

I WOULD SAY ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST AS ANOTHER CITIZEN OF THE TOWNSHIP, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT VIA NEIGHBORS AND JUST HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND OPENING UP THAT DIALOG, I HOPE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE ZONING BOARD HAS ANY JURISDICTION OVER SO.

IT'S JUST THAT IF IT'S LOOKING AT A WETLANDS VARIANCE, HOW YOU RESPECT AND TREAT THE WETLANDS.

SO THAT I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK WHEN WE WHEN WE TAKE OUR CASES INTO CONSIDERATION, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AS PRESENTED BY MR. CHAPMAN AND THE AND THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED OUTSIDE OF THOSE PLANS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THEIR THEIR BUILDING PLANS.

AND IF THEY HAVE THE IF WE'RE GOING TO GRANT THEM THE ACCESS WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

I APPRECIATE THE PICTURES AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT EVERYBODY CAN FIND A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.

YEAH.

CONVERSATION. I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN.

AND I HOPE THIS OPENS UP A DIALOG.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO OUR BOARD TIME RIGHT NOW.

BUT, SIR, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO BOARD TIME RIGHT NOW.

SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND OR CONCERNS, COMMENTS? YOU CAN COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM NOW.

YES, MR. SKCOZYLAS. DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? AND WE'RE NOT JUST JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH WHAT WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN SAID, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

I UNDERSTAND IT. I JUST WANTED TO GET HIS NAME SO I CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE.

HE IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT I USED TO KNOW 400 PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE ANYMORE.

I WOULD CATCH HIM BEFORE HE LEAVES.

OH, HE WAS ALREADY GONE. OKAY.

DID ANYBODY WRITE DOWN HIS NAME? PROBABLY CHECK WITH HIS LAST NAME WAS.

I COULD CHECK WITH.

I COULD CATCH UP. OKAY SO CHECK WITH KEITH AFTER THE MEETING.

OKAY? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK HAVING THAT DIALOG WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT IF YOU. IF YOU STAY UP, ACTUALLY, NOW THAT YOU'RE BACK UP THERE [INAUDIBLE].

ALL RIGHT BOARD GO AHEAD AND FIRE AWAY.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE THINKING OF OR WANT ANYTHING ADDRESSED TO START OUT WITH.

I DID. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU TRIED REPOSITIONING THE HOUSE IN GARAGE.

YES. DID YOU ALTER ANY PLANS OR DID THE PLANS FOR THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE STAY THE SAME OR DID YOU LOOK AT THAT OR ANYTHING? LIKE WE HAD A SIZE OF THE HOUSE WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SMALLER.

AND THEN WHEN WE ACTUALLY SAW THE SIZE OF THE ROOM PUTTING A I GOT A PRINT FOR PUTTING A WALK IN CLOSET AND A PANTRY IN THE KITCHEN AREA THAT THAT ADDED ON TO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HOUSE THERE.

AND SO, YEAH, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO BUILD THE HOUSE THAT WE WANTED AND TO MOVE MOVE OUT OF THE WETLAND.

AND WORKING WITH KEITH AND [INAUDIBLE], WE PULLED EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT TO THE BOUNDARY LINES. NOW IF WE COULD PULL A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BREAK SOME OTHER VARIANCES TO THE EAST, WE COULD POSSIBLY PULL A LITTLE MORE.

BUT BEING OVER ON THAT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE, CAN I GO UP TO THE SCREEN? YEAH, SURE. THIS THIS AREA OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE WE WOUND UP LOOKING AT.

THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE LAKE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] TOWNSHIP ARE SUPER HIGH.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VIEW OF THE LAKE OR HAVE A VIEW, THERE'S NO SENSE OF HAVING A HOUSE THERE.

AND WE WERE ONLY GOING TO BUILD THIS RIGHT HERE.

THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE A LIVING QUARTERS AND THEN THE POLE BARN TO THE OUTSIDE.

AND ONCE WE GOT INTO THE PROPERTY, WE SAW THAT WE HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL VIEW ONTO THE LAKE HERE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WOUND UP ADDING THE HOUSE TO THE GARAGE AREA THIS WAY.

WE HAD NO PLANS ON THAT AT FIRST, BUT ONCE WE SAW THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO MR. CHAPMAN, THIS IS ONLY ONE VARIANCE.

[00:15:03]

THERE'S IT'S WITHIN ALL THE OTHER SETBACKS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT DRIVEWAY EVERYTHING WITHIN SETBACKS.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY OTHER POTENTIAL VARIANCES DOWN THE LINE WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUILD, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO FOR ME, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ONLY ONE VARIANCE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT LITTLE THAT LITTLE RECTANGLE AT THE TOP OF THE OF THE SECONDARY BUILDING THERE AND LOSING THAT CUTS THAT RIGHT INTO THAT WITHIN THE BARRIER WHERE THERE WOULDN'T BE A VARIANCE.

SO I YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I START TO GET INTO THAT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM, HALF OF THE HOUSE THERE.

I DO HAVE A BLUEPRINT IF YOU'D WANT TO SEE THAT WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE.

IF THAT WILL HELP YOU OUT? WELL, I THINK I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, SIGHT DRAWING IS SUFFICIENT JUST JUST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING AND IDEA THAT THAT LITTLE THAT LITTLE RECTANGLE.

SO I HEAR THE WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE CUT IT DOWN AND WE GOT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MOVED IT TO THE BEST SIGHT PLACE. BUT I'M CHALLENGED WITH THE SHAPE OF IT.

YEAH. MEMBER KOENIG GO AHEAD.

IF I CAN BUILD OFF WHERE YOU WERE GOING.

YES, PLEASE. THE ONE MAIN QUESTION I HAD WAS THAT RECTANGULAR BUILDING THERE ON GOING TO THE NORTH, THE ONE THAT GOES INTO THE ACTUAL SETBACK, IS THAT GOING TO BE BUILT AT GROUND LEVEL? THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE GROUND LEVEL.

OKAY. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE SUPPORTED ABOVE THE GROUND? IT'S GOING TO HAVE FOUNDATION.

IT'S A IT'S A BASE FULL BASEMENT.

SO IT'S A FULL BASEMENT. OKAY.

YES. SO BECAUSE I DID NOT OBVIOUSLY, I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO OUT AND DO A SITE VISIT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ELEVATION IS WITHOUT LOOKING AT THIS.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS ELEVATION.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A CHANCE THAT THE ACTUAL WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED HOUSE AND GARAGE WOULD BE HIGHER AND THEN THE LAND WOULD START TO CURL DOWN TO THE WETLAND TO WHERE YOUR BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY LIKE PILLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NO, IT WOULD BE A FULL BASEMENT.

OKAY. OKAY.

THAT WAS MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS SOME PEOPLE COULD SEE BUILDINGS SUPPORTED BY PILLARS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS LESSENING THE FOOTPRINT VERSUS A FULL CUT OUT INTO THE GROUND.

YEAH. FOR YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY MAYBE YOU'RE AWARE, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENTAL, THE THREE KEY TERMS A LOT OF PEOPLE HEAR IS AVOID, MINIMIZE OR MITIGATE.

CORRECT. OBVIOUSLY AVOID IS TOUGH.

MITIGATE IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO DO.

SO FOR YOU, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE YOUR IMPACT ON THE WETLAND? RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN THE WETLAND.

WE'RE IT'S A BUFFER.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY. AND IT'S THE BUFFER AREA ALSO.

I WAS WE HAD WE WERE A LOT CLOSER TO THE WETLAND EDGE.

LIKE I SAID, I WORKED WITH KEITH AND [INAUDIBLE] AND THEY PUT EVERYTHING ON A COMPUTER TO PULL THE HOUSE OVER AS FAR AS THEY COULD IN EVERY DIRECTION IF THEY PULLED IT OVER FURTHER TO THE EAST HERE.

NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT VARIANCE HERE.

IF WE PULL IT FURTHER TO THE NORTH NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE VARIANCES.

SO WE PULLED EVERYTHING WE COULD AND JUST ENDED UP WITH ONE VARIANCE JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU.

YES. MEMBER DESCHAINE GO AHEAD.

ALONG THOSE LINES, THIS DOES GET BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THE DUMPING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WETLANDS RIGHT NOW? IS IT BEING DONE BY YOU OR YOUR CONTRACTOR? YES, AND IT ISN'T DUMPING.

WE HAD TO CLEAR THE LAND TO FOR BUILDING THE HOUSE.

AND THERE'S HUNDREDS OF STONE THAT WERE GOING TO USE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE IT 100 TIMES THE STONES WAY, AT LEAST ANYWHERE FROM 50 POUNDS TO A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS.

IT'S A IT'S A LOT OF TIME.

SO WE MOVED IT TO THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ONCE WE BUILD THE HOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO USE THOSE STONES BACK ON THE PROPERTY AND IT'LL GET TAKEN BACK OUT OF THERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORS ON THE LAKE THAT DON'T LIKE TALKING TO PEOPLE.

I'VE BEEN ON THERE OVER EIGHT YEARS.

I'VE NEVER MET THAT GENTLEMAN IN MY LIFE AND I'VE GOT SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE UNHAPPY THAT I ONLY PAID $43,000 FOR MY HOUSE AND THEY WANTED THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS AN AUCTION AND THEY DIDN'T OUTBID ME.

AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE, THERE WAS PROBLEMS. I'VE BECOME VERY FRIENDLY WITH MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME.

BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS ANY CLEANING UP OR DESTROYING ANY PROPERTY, I'M DEFINITELY A NATURE KIND OF GUY AND THAT'S NOT MY INTENT.

BUT WE DID MOVE THE STONES ON THE BACK PROPERTY OVER THERE.

AND THE REASON THE TRAILER AND TRUCK WERE THERE WAS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS OF STONE WAS STOLEN FROM THE PROPERTY.

SO TO BLOCK IT SO NO MORE STEALING WOULD GO ON.

I PARKED THE VEHICLES THERE AND THE POLICE SAID IT WAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT IS MY BACKYARD AND I WASN'T IN ANY RIGHT OF WAYS OR ON ANY WETLAND.

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AND ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE COMPLAINING HAD BEEN DUMPING BRUSH AND GRASS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WHEN I WENT OVER THERE, THAT'S WHAT I SAW.

SO THE STONES WEREN'T PUT WITHIN THE EDGE OF THE WETLANDS? NO, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S ON DRY LAND OR THE RIGHT BY RIGHT BY THE ROAD IT'S RIGHT BY BY THE ROAD.

THERE'S PLENTY OF HABITAT TO SHOW THAT THERE'S NOT ACTUAL WETLAND BY THE TYPE OF TREES, THE HARDWOOD TREES THAT ARE GROWING AND HARDWOOD TREES DON'T GROW ON SWAMP LAND THAT WOULD BE LIKE OAK TREES AND STUFF.

AND WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DONATING THE PROPERTY BACK TO THE COUNTY AFTER WE BUILD.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ACTUALLY GOT PAPERWORK AND WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON THAT . YES.

MEMBER TREZISE. AS IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS OUTLINE CORRECTLY, YOU'RE PROPOSING A GARAGE AND POLE BARN THAT'S 60 BY 100FT.

YES, SIR. IF THAT WERE REDUCED IN SIZE OR MOVED SLIGHTLY TO THE LAKE, YOU MIGHT BACK THAT HOUSE OUT OF THE WETLAND AREA.

THE THING IS, WE'RE GOING FOR FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT, FOR THE VIEW OF THE LAKE THERE.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE OVER THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE LINE OF SIGHT DOESN'T NECESSARILY OVERCOME THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BUFFER AROUND THE WETLAND.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INCURSION INTO THE WETLAND BUFFER, ALMOST 50% OF THE 40 FOOT BUFFER.

NOT QUITE. AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCURSION INTO THE BUFFER.

AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FROM A WETLAND PRESERVATION STANDPOINT.

AND ALSO, AS YOU NOTED OR AS WAS NOTED, IT'S VERY MUCH IN THE THE DRAINAGE AREA FOR LAKE LANSING AND DOES SOME OF THE FILTERING OF THE WATER THAT GETS IN THERE.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THE EXTENT OF THE INCURSION INTO THE WETLAND BUFFER.

THAT WILL BE JUST CONCRETE AND CEMENT.

SO THAT WON'T THAT ALL THAT WILL BE THE BASEMENT.

THERE'LL BE BASICALLY HOLDING THE DIRT THAT'S THERE ALREADY.

BUT YOU'RE CUTTING OUT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BUFFER AREA BY PUTTING A FOUNDATION AND A STRUCTURE IN THERE WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED.

THIS WHOLE THIS THIS WHOLE AREA IS THE BUFFER.

I UNDERSTAND WE JUST GOT THIS LITTLE SPOT.

SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DRAMATICALLY CHANGING THIS WHOLE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET THAT IS.

THAT'S HUNDREDS OF SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO THE SMALL AREA THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT HERE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT AS AN INTRUSION UPON.

I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAN BE INTERPRETED.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

LIVING ON THE LAKE AND DOING THE WORK THAT I DO ON THE LAKE, WE ARE VERY THE LAKE IS IMPORTANT TO US AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

WELL, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M CHALLENGED BY WHAT MEMBER TREZISE IS SAYING WITH THIS.

THE INCURSION INTO THE BUFFER.

BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THE REST OF THE HOUSE SITTING WITH LIKE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUFFER, OTHER THAN THAT PORTION THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL SIZE HOUSE OUTSIDE OF THIS, THIS PORTION. SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OF NEEDING TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE.

THAT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM.

THE HOUSE IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 2,000FT², AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR.

BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S HOUSES ON LAKE LANSING THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE] TO FIT THE SPACE, THAT TO HAVE THE VIEW, TO HAVE ALL THE THINGS.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE VALUES ON LAKE BY BUILDING THIS HOUSE THAT WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE THE VALUES OF THE HOUSES AROUND IT.

YEAH, THE PRICE WE WERE GIVEN WAS ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM $6 TO $800,000 TO BUILD THIS HOUSE.

SO THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE VALUES ON THE LAKE AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK A LOT MORE APPEALING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE AN EMPTY LOT THERE.

AND IF THE HOUSE DOESN'T GET BUILT, THEN THE NEIGHBORS WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE HAPPY WITH AN EMPTY LOT THERE.

WHAT IS?

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WHAT IS THAT BUILDING? WHAT'S THAT? ON THIS SITE PLAN ALL THE WAY TO THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER, LOWER LEFT CORNER.

THE ONE STORY FRAME HOUSE 6329.

YEP. WHAT IS THAT STRUCTURE? THAT'S A COTTAGE.

BUT THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THAT THAT'S GOING AWAY? SO THAT WOULD WIND UP GOING AWAY IF THE PROPERTY WASN'T SPLIT.

YES. YEAH, I THINK I SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE OR COTTAGE.

OKAY. I SEE. SO BASICALLY HE HAS A COUPLE OPTIONS.

IF HE'S COMBINING THE PROPERTIES, THEN THAT WILL NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION OR IF HE'S DOING OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE WHAT THAT IS.

OKAY. SO IF HE COULD DO A LAND DIVISION AS WELL AND HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS.

OKAY. SO GOT IT.

WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DO THAT MR. CHAPMAN? DIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND HAVE A PARCEL THAT'S WITHIN THE REGULATIONS? OH, YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY, PLENTY OF ROOM THERE.

WHAT IS YOUR PLANS FOR THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO COMBINE THE LOTS OR ARE YOU GOING TO SPLIT IT AND MAINTAIN THE SMALLER COTTAGE? PROBABLY. I'LL LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.

WE'RE WORKING WITH FINANCES RIGHT NOW, SO POSSIBLY SELLING THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE IN.

FIX UP THE COTTAGE FOR RIGHT NOW AND LIVE IN THE COTTAGE.

DIVIDE, DIVIDE THE PROPERTIES AND THEN LIVE IN THE HOUSE WHILE WE'RE BUILDING.

USE THE MONEY FROM THE HOUSE WE'RE LIVING IN NOW.

SELL THAT. USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD THIS HOUSE WHILE WE'RE LIVING IN THE COTTAGE.

AND THEN UPON COMPLETION OF THE HOUSE, WILL YOU RENT THE COTTAGE? SELL THE COTTAGE? YEAH.

I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THAT FAR AHEAD YET, SIR.

IT IS AN OLDER STRUCTURE, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TORN DOWN.

WELL, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU SAY ROUGHLY 2,200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, BUT YOU'VE GOT A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE AND POLE BARN.

YEAH. YOU CAN'T HAVE STUFF OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE.

PEOPLE COMPLAIN WHEN THERE'S STUFF OUTSIDE.

BUT 6,000FT² SEEMS A LITTLE BIT EXCESSIVE.

AND IF THAT WERE DOWNSIZED, YOU MIGHT LOSE PART OF YOUR VIEW, BUT YOU COULD GET OUT OF THE WETLAND BUFFER ZONE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, I AM.

YES. MEMBER KOENIG. GO AHEAD.

I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. I WOULD AGREE WITH MEMBER TREZISE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF A RATHER LARGE BUILDING.

AND ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T NECESSARILY TELL YOU OR MAYBE KEITH CAN THROUGH THE ZONING, TELL YOU THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE YOU CAN BUILD, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW IN ORDER TO LESSEN THAT IMPACT EVEN ON THAT THING.

EVEN IF YOU TOOK THAT AND SHRUNK IT DOWN BY LET'S SEE WHAT THAT, THAT THAT'S 19FT.

THAT'S 3 FEET.

YEAH. YOU'D HAVE TO YOU'D HAVE TO PUT IT DOWN TO MAYBE LIKE A 50 BY 100 OR A 50 BY 90 AND POTENTIALLY IF YOU MOVED THAT, IF THAT WAS MAYBE ABLE TO SHRINK MORE TO THE WHERE IS THE NORTH ARROW? WHICH DIRECTION IS NORTH.

I KEEP FORGETTING. THAT'S THERE YOU GO.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO IF YOU WERE TO PUSH THAT MORE TO THE EAST, SHRINK IT AND PUSH IT MORE TO THE EAST, IT MAY TAKE THAT LITTLE CORNER OF YOUR BUILDING OUT OF THAT BUFFER, BUT YOU STILL WOULD HAVE A BUILDING THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU FOR THAT VIEW.

ONCE YOU PULL OUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT, YOU'LL LOSE THAT VIEW.

HOW FAR DO YOU HAVE TO PULL OUT BEFORE YOU LOSE IT? UM, WE'RE PROBABLY WE'RE PROBABLY WITHIN 5 TO 8FT OR WE'RE RIGHT AT RIGHT AT THE EDGE.

WHEN WE PULLED IT OUT, WE WERE RIGHT AT THE EDGE.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BUILDING AND NOT REALIZING THE IMPACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON THE BUFFER.

WE'VE BEEN MORE EDUCATED ON THAT MORE RECENTLY AND GIVEN INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IT WAS BUFFER AND IT WASN'T WHAT WE WERE NOTIFIED WITH THE PEOPLE WE'VE TALKED TO WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE, WHAT THE WHAT THE WETLANDS ARE AND WHAT THE BUFFER AREA IS.

AND THE BUFFER AREA IS TO PROTECT THE WETLANDS.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE LIKE BUILDING INTO THAT THEN STARTS TO ENCROACH UPON THOSE.

YES, CORRECT. YEAH.

SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING A CHALLENGE WITH.

I'M SO I'M GOING TO BE I'M JUST GOING TO LOOK AT OUR CRITERIA BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO JUST LOOK AT.

AND WHERE I'M STARTING TO STRUGGLE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS IS WITH YES, BUT YOU GOT TO COME UP.

YOU GOT TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING SO WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION.

I GUESS YOU GUYS WERE DISCUSSING IT.

MY NAME IS DENISE SHERMAN.

AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY ADDRESS IS 1167 WOODSIDE.

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OVER THERE.

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OKAY. 1167 WOODSIDE, HASLETT.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS OR WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS REALIZE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU WENT OVER AND SEEN THE SITE, IT'S WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING UP ON A HILL AND IT SLOPES DOWN.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WOULD BE ENCROACHING INTO THE SWAMP WHERE THE SWAMP COULD COME UP CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE AT ALL.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL HILL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ON.

AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WHERE IT WOULD ENCROACH ON ONTO THE SWAMP.

I GREW UP OVER THERE. I KNOW WHERE THAT SWAMP IS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO I WILL LOOKING AT THE VARIANCE CRITERIA, I'LL JUST GO.

I'LL JUST START BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE I KNOW WHERE I'M HAVING A CHALLENGE WITH.

BUT NUMBER ONE BEING UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST THAT ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LAND OR STRUCTURES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THESE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOT SELF-CREATED, IN A WAY I CAN REACH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S USUALLY THE EASIEST ONE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO AND FIND A WAY TO SEE THIS AS A UNIQUE PROPERTY. EVERY SINGLE ONE ON LAKE LANSING, JUST ABOUT AS UNIQUE AS ITS OWN UNIQUE CHALLENGES.

WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT QUITE A BIT.

SO I CAN MEET UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.

WHERE I BEGIN TO STRUGGLE IS WITH, NUMBER TWO, STRICT INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LITERAL TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WOULD PREVENT THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED PURPOSE.

THIS IS WHERE I STRUGGLE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY LARGE HOUSE, A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE, ANOTHER HOUSE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BUILDINGS.

THERE'S SPACE HERE.

I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY WORKED HARD WITH BUILDING AND PLANNING TO GET THIS DOWN TO JUST THAT ONE VARIANCE WITHIN THE BUFFER.

HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THIS, IS IT A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY TO LOSE THAT CHUNK OF SPACE ON TOP OF THIS OTHER LARGE HOUSE WITH A LARGE POLE BARN WITH ANOTHER STRUCTURE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.

I KNOW WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS DEFINITION OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AS A BODY BEFORE, SO I AM STRUGGLING WITH THAT NOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MEET THAT CRITERIA AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

WHEN WE GET TO CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM ACTION NECESSARY THAT WOULD CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECURE PUBLIC AND P ROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE AT THE MINIMUM ACTION.

I DO THINK WE IN WORKING WITH THE BUILDING AND PLANNING, THEY'VE GOTTEN TO ONE VARIANCE, WHICH I DO FIND, I APPRECIATE IT BEING, YOU KNOW, AS FEW VARIANCES AS POSSIBLE.

THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE LOOK FOR.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, ARE WE DOING JUSTICE TO THE REASON THAT THAT THIS WETLAND BUFFER EXISTS? SO MOVING TO CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT LAND OR ESSENTIAL CHARACTER IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY.

I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBOR SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS ON A HILL.

IT'S NOT.

HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT THE WETLAND BUFFER IS THERE FOR A REASON.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S UP TO US AS A BOARD TO DETERMINE IF THAT IF IT WOULD BE AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THAT AREA.

AND SO I STILL HAVE A QUESTION MARK WITH CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR AND CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.

I DO SEE HOW IMPROVING THE AREA, BUILDING A, YOU KNOW, A NICE NEW HOME AND INVESTING IN THAT AREA WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST.

IS THIS GOING AGAINST THE INTENT OF THE WETLAND CRITERIA? I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ANSWERS FOR.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING.

YES. MEMBER DESCHAINE.

THANK YOU. I STRUGGLE WITH TWO AS WELL, BUT THIS LAKE AREA PROPERTY IS VERY UNIQUE AND PEOPLE BUILD THERE FOR A VIEW OF THE LAKE OR LAKE FRONTAGE.

THEY ALL PAY A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO BE IN THAT AREA EVEN IF YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LAKE DRIVE, YOU PAY A SPECIAL THE SECOND TIER SPECIAL ASSESSMENT THIS SIDE OF LAKE DRIVE.

THEY PAY THE HIGHEST SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR LAKE MAINTENANCE.

THEY ARE IN SOME WAYS LAKEFRONT OWNERS OR QUASI LAKEFRONT.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANTS' CLAIM THAT HE REALLY WANTS A VIEW OF THE LAKE IS A REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU COULD CALL THE USING IT FOR THE PERMITTED PURPOSE.

THIS IS LAKEFRONT PROPERTY, PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SOME ACCESS OR SOME VIEW OF THE LAKE.

THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE HILL THERE TO ME IMPACTS THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IF THIS IS A SLOPING DOWN INTO THE WETLAND, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN IF IT'S A FLAT OR

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EXACTLY. I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY BEFORE WE MADE A DECISION ABOUT IT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO IF WE COULD.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT'S DOING THE MINUTES JUST NEEDS THE MICROPHONE SO THEY HAVE IT ON THE RECORDING.

JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.

CARLOS SKCOZYLAS 2320 THORNWOOD DRIVE IN HOLT, MICHIGAN.

YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST WHAT YOU JUST STARTED TO SAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND WHAT DENISE SAID.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND SEE THE SITUATION AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TO TRY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO RESPECT, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFER, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL AMOUNT, I JUST IF YOU IF YOU GO OUT AND LOOK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT WE'VE DONE TO TRY TO MAKE IT FIT.

I KNOW IT'S A BIG IT IS A BIG POLE BARN, BUT HE'S GOT A LOT OF STUFF, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IN THERE AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY LOOK A LOT BETTER, QUITE FRANKLY. I THINK I DO SUGGEST I LOVE THAT YOU SAID TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT AT WHAT YOU GOT FOR WHAT WE GOT.

COME ON UP. YOU GUYS CAN STAY UP THERE IF YOU WANT IF YOU.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP SHOUTING BACK AND FORTH TO YOU, BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, THAT WAS ONE THING I DID MENTION THIS ISN'T A FLAT AREA.

THIS IS UP ON A HILL.

SO BASICALLY WE'RE CUTTING OUT THE HILL.

AND SO IT WOULD BE A RETAINING WALL THAT HOLDS THE DIRT BACK, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONTAMINATING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT YEAH, IF THEY IF THEY GO OUT, THEY WOULD WIND UP SEEING THAT THIS IS A VERY LARGE HILL HERE.

IT'S NOT FLAT, FLAT SURFACE.

SO BY CUTTING THIS CORNER OUT, YOU'LL REMOVE A SMALL CUBIC FOOT AREA OF DIRT, BUT THEY'LL BE CONCRETE AROUND HERE HOLDING ANYTHING ELSE BACK.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE THE CONDITION OF THE WETLANDS TODAY THERE THAT BARRIER.

I MEAN, IF IT'S BEING USED AS A DUMPING GROUND, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, BUT THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION THAN IF IT'S A PRISTINE WETLAND THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED AT ALL COSTS.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

NOT ALL WETLANDS ARE THE SAME.

VERY TRUE. I APPRECIATE.

WELL, I'M CURIOUS IF THAT CHANGES ANYBODY'S INTERPRETATION OF ANY OF THE CRITERIA, ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.

I DO THINK THAT THAT SWAYS ME A BIT ON THE ON CRITERIA NUMBER TWO, WITH THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES, I'M WONDERING.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE MINIMUM ACTION AND THE ADVERSE EFFECT.

THERE ARE SOME STAKES IN THE GROUND FOR WHERE THE CORNERS OF WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE AND ACTUALLY THE STAKES ARE BEFORE IT WAS PULLED BACK, BEFORE IT WAS ONLY 17FT.

THAT'S WHERE THE STAKES ARE NOW.

AND SO THEY'LL BE PULLED BACK.

WHERE YOU SEE THOSE STAKES, THE ACTUAL HOUSE WILL BE PULLED BACK FARTHER BECAUSE AFTER WE HAD [INAUDIBLE] COME OUT, THAT'S WHEN I GOT WITH KEITH AND WE PULLED THE HOUSE BACK FURTHER. BUT A VISUAL WOULD BE GOOD.

I WAS GOING TO TAKE SOME MORE SHOTS AND DIDN'T.

YEAH, THE VISUAL ON GOOGLE MAPS.

KEITH CAN WE DO ANY IS IT JUST AERIAL THAT WE CAN YEAH.

SO I MEAN IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN ELEVATION, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I MEAN THE SO I CAN SUGGEST IF AS A BOARD WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO TABLE AND GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND DO A SITE VISIT OR HAVE SOME FURTHER VISUALS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SO WE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY.

WOULD BE GOOD TO GET YOU GUYS OUT THERE TO SEE IT.

I WOULD AGREE. AND I LIKE MEMBER KOENIG.

I USUALLY LIKE TO GO DO SITE VISITS AND THIS, THIS JUST DIDN'T UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN THIS WEEK, BUT MEMBER KOENIG.

YES, MRS. CHAIR, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AND MEMBER DESCHAINE I THINK A SITE VISIT WOULD PROBABLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US EVENTUALLY.

SO THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE REQUEST SO THAT WE CAN DO DUE DILIGENCE AND SEE THE SITE SO I'M SORRY, WHO SUPPORTED MEMBER? DESCHAINE? YES. OKAY.

SO I JUST THINK THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE A BETTER DETERMINATION.

I THINK THE VISUAL WILL HELP BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE SITE DRAWING, IT'S TRICKY.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, MA'AM.

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THE THE HOUSE SHOULD BE SIX FEET TO THE EAST OF THAT.

OKAY. BECAUSE THIS WAS THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS ONLY 17FT.

AND THEY SAID FROM THAT, FROM THAT, FROM THAT SIX.

SO THE HOUSE IS SIX FEET EAST.

YEP. GOTCHA. SINCE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO USE THE EXISTING POST, IF WE APPROVE THIS, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU REPOST IT OR RE FLAG IT AS IT IS.

I CAN TAKE AND PUT SOME OTHER POSTS OUT THERE.

MARK THEM WITH SOME GREEN AND PUT NEW ON THERE.

SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS THERE.

SO WE NEEDED WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE.

SO SEE WHAT WE HAD.

I'LL PUT SOME NEW POSTS OUT THERE FOR YOU.

THAT'S GOOD. OKAY.

OKAY. DO THAT. SO THE ORANGE WILL BE THE EXISTING AND THE GREEN WILL BE THE NEW POST WHERE THE ACTUAL HOUSE WILL BE.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU.

SUPER HELPFUL. OKAY THEN THIS IS A VOTE TO TABLE ZBA.

CASE NUMBER 20 3-08 PENDING A SITE VISIT BY THE BOARD.

AND SIR, IF YOU COULD ALSO, WHEN YOU COME BACK, ANY ANY VISUALS YOU HAVE WOULD BE GREAT.

OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SOME WALGREENS PHOTOGRAPHS FOR US.

YEAH. BUT THAT DEFINITELY COMING OUT TO SEE THE PROPERTY.

YEAH. YEP.

I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER HERE, MR. BENNETT, WHO WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GO DO A SITE VISIT.

BUT IN CASE HE'S NOT HERE FOR THE NEXT VISIT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER, IF SHE IS AVAILABLE, DOES HAVE SOME SOME IDEAS.

OH, THERE IS A MARK OF ELEVATIONS AND STUFF AND DOWN BY THE SWAMP AREA I HAVE A MARKER DOWN THERE.

SO THAT WAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT THE WATER'S NEVER BEEN THAT HIGH IN EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE.

SO WE'RE BUILDING ABOVE THAT HIGHEST LINE JUST SO WATER WOULDN'T COME IN.

AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT TOO.

SO. OKAY, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ELEVATIONS THAT I CAN GET A MAP THAT SHOWS PERFECT THAT, TOO.

SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK AS A GROUP, JUST, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YEAH, WE WOULD LIKELY ALL JUST COME AT WHEN WE'RE AVAILABLE BEFORE THE NEXT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. SO WHAT I WANTED TO BE IN OCTOBER 1818, I BELIEVE.

YEAH. THIRD, THIRD WEDNESDAY OF OCTOBER.

OKAY. WE'LL BE AROUND.

OKAY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A VOTE TO TABLE ZBA.

CASE NUMBER 20 3-08 MEMBER.

KOENIG. YES.

MEMBER BENNETT. YES.

MEMBER DESCHAINE. YES.

MEMBER JOSEPH. YES.

AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES TO TABLE.

SO WE WILL TABLE THIS AND WE WILL GET GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS AND HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.

YEAH, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 20 309, 6261, EAST LAKE GARY AND SUZETTE TYLER.

[6.B. ZBA CASE NO. 23-09 (6261 E. Lake), Gary & Suzette Tyler, 6261 E. Lake Drive, Haslett, MI 48840]

61. EAST LAKE DRIVE, HASLETT, MICHIGAN.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE GOT A. WE GOT A LONG WAY TO SCROLL ON THIS ONE.

YEAH. OKAY.

IT WAS VERY GOOD. YES, IT WAS VERY DETAILED.

THAT FISHBECK REPORT WAS QUITE SOMETHING.

OKAY. KEITH, JUST WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE GROUND? CONSISTENCY. REPORTER THE SOIL SAMPLES, THE SAMPLING THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, AND THEY SUBMITTED IT WITH IT.

IT WAS JUST PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT THEY SUBMITTED.

IT MUST BE PART OF WHAT THEY DO.

OH, NO, I PUT THAT IN THERE JUST SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE WETLANDS ENTIRELY, BECAUSE THE SURVEY THAT HE GAVE DIDN'T SHOW THE WHOLE AREA OF THE WETLAND.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I PUT THAT IN THERE.

BUT YEAH, IT WAS A COLOR MAPS THAT YOU HAD WITH THE CIRCLES OR THE.

YEAH, THAT WAS FROM THE CONSULTANT REPORT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT? YEP. MR. CHAPMAN, IT'S YOURS.

OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A GARAGE TO PROJECT INTO THE FRONT YARD AT 62.

61 EAST LAKE DRIVE.

THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MOVE AN EXISTING 26 BY 20 GARAGE FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE WEST, LOCATED AT 6265 EAST LAKE DRIVE IN 2007, THERE WAS A VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED TO ALLOW FOR THAT GARAGE TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD. UM, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.492 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS ZONED RB SINGLE FAMILY HIGH DENSITY AND IS IN THE LAKE LANSING RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THE PLOT PLAN SHOWS THE EXISTING ONE AND A HALF STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1945 AND THE PROPOSED 26 BY 20 ACCESSORY BUILDING.

SO SECTION 86, DASH 5651 DOES NOT ALLOW AN ACCESSORY BUILDING TO PROJECT INTO THE FRONT YARD.

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE CASE? AND, SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS GARY TYLER.

I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 6261 EAST LAKE DRIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND HASLETT HERE.

AND THIS GARAGE HERE.

LET'S SEE. THIS MUST BE ON 118.

THIS IS OWNED BY BRIAN BALES.

AND HE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE AND TOTALLY RENOVATED IT AND DOES NOT WANT THAT GARAGE ANYMORE.

SO HE WAS GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN.

BUT ONE DAY IN THE BACKYARD, HAVING A BEER, HE SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE MY GARAGE? I SAID, I'D LOVE YOUR GARAGE.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS LITTLE OLD LOG CABIN.

IT WAS ACTUALLY A LOG CABIN BUILT IN 1945.

SO IT'S IT'S QUITE OLD AND IT'S BUILT ON A JUST A NOT EVEN A MICHIGAN BASEMENT, JUST A CRAWLSPACE.

SO THERE'S NO PLACE TO STORE ANYTHING.

AND OF COURSE, LIVING ON THE LAKE, WE'VE GOT 25 CHAIRS, WE'VE GOT A HOT TUB, WE'VE GOT YOU NAME IT TO STORE.

SO WE'VE HAD TO TAKE THE STUFF OFF SITE FOR MANY YEARS TO STORE IT.

AND THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE WHEN A STEINFELD'S RECEIVED THEIR VARIANCE, YOU SEE THEY HAD A LITTLE CUT OUT THERE.

IT GOES INTO THE PARK.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS.

TO MOVE THIS GARAGE RIGHT HERE SO IT DOESN'T INTRUDE ANY MORE THAN THAN THE VARIANCE THAT THE.

SEINFELD RECEIVED.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IS A SETBACK.

AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, I THINK, 20FT FROM THE TEN FEET, TEN FEET, THE COTTAGE.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES RIGHT THERE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO I'VE HAD TO CUT DOWN SOME TREES BECAUSE THEY GOT OLD AND I DON'T WANT TO CUT DOWN ANY MORE TREES.

AND AS I SAY, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THE EXISTING LOCATION OF THE GARAGE AND WENT DOOR TO DOOR.

AND I'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX SIGNATURES, INCLUDING MR. BATES AND I UNDERSTAND YOU RECEIVED TWO EMAILS, ONE FROM RON ROSE AND I FORGET THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, HIS NAME, THE REALTOR, TONY SCHMITT.

TONY SCHMITT. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOVE.

AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE ALL.

NO, NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

SO I'M HOPING YOU DON'T EITHER.

ALL RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOU, MR. TYLER. A VERY COLORFUL AND INTERESTING STORY TO ADD TO OUR LAKE LANSING MEMORABILIA BOOK THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

I LOVE THAT. I LOVE HOW THIS THE PROVIDENCE OF THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS IS FASCINATING.

WE THANK YOU, MR. TYLER.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY THERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THAT WAY WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS IF NEEDED AND WE ARE GOING TO PASS DOWN.

MR. TYLER HAS RECEIVED SIGNATURES FROM NEIGHBORS AND THAT IS GOING DOWN THE THE LINE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THERE AS WE GO.

YES, MEMBER DESCHAINE. GO AHEAD.

SO MR. BATES WOULD STILL HAVE THE VARIANCE SO HE COULD MOVE IT TO YOUR PROPERTY.

IF WE APPROVE THIS, HE COULD NONETHELESS BUILD A NEW GARAGE ON THAT SAME LOCATION, CORRECT? WELL, HE COULD, BUT HIS PLAN IS TO BUILD.

I'M GOING DOWN. HOLD ON.

THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE IS CURRENTLY.

OKAY. AND HIS PLAN IS TO BUILD A 20 FOOT GARAGE HERE THAT ATTACHES TO THE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD NOT

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I UNDERSTAND. OKAY.

AND HE DID SIGN THAT IN SUPPORT OF IT.

THAT INDICATES IN MY APPLICATION THAT HE IS DONATING THAT GARAGE TO ME.

I HAVE TO PAY THE COST OF THE NEW FOUNDATION AND THE MOVING OF THE OF THE GARAGE.

BUT HE JUST WANTS TO GET RID OF IT.

OKAY. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON THIS THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE PACKET.

NOW, WHAT IS THE STRUCTURE THAT LOOKS THAT APPEARS LIKE IT'S ON THE LOT LINE? YEAH, THAT WAS AN OLD GARAGE THAT THE STEINFELD'S HAD THAT ENCROACHED ON MY PROPERTY.

RIGHT. THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THE GARAGE, THEY TORE THAT DOWN.

SO THAT'S. THAT DOES NOT EXIST.

THAT'S GONE. OKAY.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT MOVING THAT STRUCTURE OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND IT'S THE, THE VARIANCE IS HAVING THE STRUCTURE NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH SETBACKS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BEING APPROVED BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT IS JUST AN ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE FRONT YARD.

COULD YOU PULL UP THE GOOGLE AERIAL MAP OF THIS? YES. SO YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN LAKE DRIVE THERE.

OH, YEAH. BY THE WAY.

YEAH. YEP. NEXT TO THE PARK THERE.

YEP. YEAH, THAT'S VERY TRUE.

CAN YOU DO A STREET VIEW? YEAH. THERE YOU GO.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY, THAT'S THE GARAGE EXISTING.

OKAY. AND TO BE MOVED TO THE NEXT LOT OVER LOT 19.

NOT TOO FAR. THAT'S SCHOEN'S.

YEAH. OKAY.

I SEE. THERE'S YOUR LOG CABIN.

OKAY. SO THE STRUCTURE IS JUST BEYOND JUST BEHIND THOSE CANOES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND IT'S JUST MOVING OVER.

MOVING OVER DIRECTLY.

I GOT TO CUT DOWN ONE TREE IN ORDER TO MOVE IT OVER THE PROPERTY.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, IT KIND OF WILL EDGE UP TO THE EDGE OF THAT ASPHALT DRIVEWAY.

YES. I'M HOPING THE FRONT END WILL COME RIGHT ABOUT RIGHT UP TO THE ASPHALT AND NOT NOT INVADE IT, BUT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SHED BEHIND YOUR CANOE THERE.

IS THAT TRUE? YES.

IT'S AN OLD SHED THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

AND I DON'T CARE IF ONCE I GET THE GARAGE, I WON'T NEED THAT.

OKAY. DO YOU INTEND TO USE THE GARAGE FOR A VEHICLE STORAGE AS WELL AS OTHER STORAGE? I'VE GOT A 1998 CORVETTE THAT I HAVE TO BOTHER FRIENDS EVERY YEAR TO STORE IT IN THE WINTER.

AND. BUT I'M GOING TO PUT IT UP FOR SALE BECAUSE I NEED THE MONEY.

I RETIRED TOO EARLY, NEVER RETIRED, I THINK.

MEMBER TRUSTEE SAYS YOU CAN NEVER RETIRE TOO EARLY.

I THINK THAT WAS THE THE COMMENT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? OKAY. I'M GOING TO I'LL SAY I DON'T SEE A BIG ISSUE WITH THIS.

I DON'T FIND IT TO BE IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE CLEVER THAT YOU JUST YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING.

IT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU'RE JUST MOVING IT OVER.

THERE IT IS. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BUY HIM THE BEER.

HE BOUGHT THE BEER. I MEAN, YOU GOT A GARAGE OUT OF IT.

YOU GOT A BEER AND A GARAGE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD LOSE.

THAT'S SO I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY CHALLENGE WITH THIS.

I DO THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VARIANCES IN THIS AREA FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT BECAUSE I TALKED TO THE NATURE OF BEING ON THE LAKE.

SO DR. BRIAN EARLIER TODAY AND ABOUT WHEN HE COULD MOVE THAT AND HE SAID HE'S WAITING FOR A AN EASEMENT FROM THE PARK, APPARENTLY FOR CONSUMERS POWER TO COME IN AND PUT THE UNDERGROUND POWER LINE IN.

HE DOESN'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S COMING IN, BUT AS SOON AS THAT COMES IN, HE PUT THE FOUNDATION IN AND MOVE IT.

OKAY. I WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE CRITERIA, BECAUSE I THINK THIS KIND OF THIS CASE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF A LITTLE BIT HERE, THANKFULLY AND EASILY.

OKAY. CRITERIA NUMBER ONE BEING UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST THAT ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LAND OR STRUCTURES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT. AND THESE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOT SELF-CREATED.

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IF ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT IT'S AN ACCESSORY BUILDING ON LAKE LANSING IN THE IN THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BRING UP TO OUR OUR FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS.

IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS A VERY NARROW LOT.

AND WHERE YOU CAN PUT AN EXTRA BUILDING ON THIS LOT IS EXTREMELY LIMITED.

AND AT THIS POINT WITH THE HOUSE THERE, THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD GO IS IN FRONT.

AND I CAN'T PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THAT BLOCKS THE LAKE.

AND I THINK THERE'S A RESTRICTION FOR CRESCENT BEACH CRESCENT SUBDIVISION THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT IS DEFINITELY WHAT WE GET INTO IN LAKE LANSING IS A LOT OF THESE STRUCTURES HAVE TO GO ON THE FRONT, WHICH.

YES, MEMBER I WAS GOING TO SAY, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER LAKE PROPERTIES LIKE I KNOW LIKE HOUGHTON LAKE, FOR INSTANCE.

IN THIS CASE, YOUR YOUR FRONT YARD IS ACTUALLY WHAT FACES THE WATER.

SO EVEN THOUGH YOUR FRONT YARD HERE IS UP AGAINST THE ROAD, A LOT OF AREAS CONSIDER THAT THE BACKYARD, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO PUSH THE HOUSE TOWARD THE WATER.

SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF INSTANCES, JUST WHAT YOU SAID, YOU SEE A TON OF GARAGES, SHEDS, THINGS ALL TOWARD THE ROAD IN THE HOUSE IS AGAINST.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S HOW IT IS HERE, BUT A LOT OF AREAS IN THE STATE HAVE THAT JUST FOR THAT REASON.

SO IT'S VERY COMMON LIKE CHAIR SAID, THAT A LOT OF ACCESSORY USES ARE GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE IN THE BACK.

I NOTICED IN RON ROSE EMAIL TO YOU FOLKS THAT HE SAID, ACCORDING TO THE OVERLAY THAT WAS DONE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, THE FRONT YARD IS THE BACKYARD AND THE BACKYARD IS THE FRONT YARD.

RIGHT. SO.

RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF REVERSED.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO I CAN I CAN MEET UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ON THAT ONE.

CRITERIA NUMBER TWO WOULD BE STRICT INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LITERAL TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WOULD PREVENT THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR THE PERMITTED PURPOSE.

I. AS MEMBER POINTED OUT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE SPACE ON THIS LOT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AVAILABLE SPACE. THERE IS NO FURTHER VARIANCE NEEDED.

SO I CAN ALSO THEN MEET CRITERIA NUMBER THREE.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS FALLS UNDER THAT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IS BEING ABLE TO HAVE A HAVE A STORAGE AREA AND HAVE THAT SPACE AVAILABLE.

I CAN MEET THAT CRITERIA.

CRITERIA NUMBER THREE WOULD BE GRANTING THE VARIANCE AS THE MINIMUM ACTION NECESSARY THAT WOULD CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SECURE PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS IS A MINIMUM ACTION WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE ARE HAVING VERY MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THIS IS A VERY MINIMAL VARIANCE.

WE'RE GRANTING AN ACCESSORY BUILDING VERSUS ENCROACHING ON THINGS OR COMING CLOSER TO THE SETBACKS.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT BEING BEING A MINIMUM ACTION SO I CAN MEET CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT LAND OR THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY.

AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WE KNOW LAKE LANSING, WE HAVE A LOT OF GARAGES AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THAT LAKE DRIVE.

SO I DO NOT THINK IT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT I CAN MEET THAT CRITERIA AND CRITERIA FIVE WOULD BE GRANTING.

THE VARIANCE WILL BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT I CAN EASILY MEET THAT CRITERIA AS WELL.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ON ANY OF THE CRITERIA OR THINGS THAT THEY FEEL ARE NOT NECESSARILY.

IN THAT CASE, I HAVE A MOTION I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUESTED VARIANCE OF 20 309 TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A AUXILIARY BUILDING IN THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE AT 52, 62, 21 LAST ONE THAT SIGNED THAT SUBMITTED SHEET TO 61 TO 75, 62, 61, 61.

ALL RIGHT. I SUPPORT THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE TABLE? NO. ALL RIGHT.

IN THAT CASE, THIS IS A VOTE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

VARIANCE NUMBER ZBA.

CASE NUMBER 23, DASH ZERO NINE MEMBER.

KOENIG. YES. MEMBER BENNETT.

YES. MEMBER. DESCHAINE.

YES. MEMBER. TRESISE.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES? YES. SO YOUR VARIANCE HAS BEEN APPROVED.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.

I HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO PUT THAT OVER THERE, DON'T I? YES, YOU DO.

YOU GOT TO TALK TO THAT MAN RIGHT THERE.

YOU. YOU AND KEITH WILL BECOME GREAT BUDDIES.

I DON'T WANT TO SCREW ANYTHING UP.

YES, PLEASE DO.

PLEASE CONTACT.

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AND THE BUILDING PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND AS SOON AS HE GETS THAT POWER MOVED, I'LL BE OVER AND SEE YOU.

YEP. SOUNDS GREAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. TYLER. AND A LOVELY EVENING.

YOU TOO. ALL RIGHT, ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE LET'S SEE NO OTHER BUSINESS, AND I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC REMARKS AT 731.

AND SEEING AS THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC LEFT, WE LISTENED TO ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AND PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THIS EVENING.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN IT FOR BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

[9. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS]

YES. THIS EMAIL FROM RON ROWE.

DID YOU ALL GET ON YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL? YES. OKAY. I COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT IN MINE.

I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT. I DO KNOW RON ROWE AND HE'S BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN TROOP 97 WITH THE SCOUTS AND FOR DECADES.

AND HE IS A LONGTIME LAKE RESIDENT.

SO IF YOU DRIVE IN THAT PART OF THE LAKE AND YOU SEE A BRIGHT ORANGE MAILBOX, THAT'S RON ROWE'S HOUSE.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO HE'S GOT SOME GOOD INSIGHTS.

SO WE WILL TAKE HIS HE ALSO SERVES ON THE LAKE LANSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT COLLECTS ALL THE THOSE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS I MENTIONED EARLIER.

AND THEY DECIDE WHICH REBATES AND OTHER THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO PRESERVE THE QUALITY OF THE WATER AND AND HEALTH OF THE LAKE, WHICH IT WEREN'T DONE.

EVERY YEAR WE'D HAVE ANOTHER PARK LAKE, WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY A GLORIFIED SWAMP, RIGHT.

FOR HALF THE YEAR FOR FECAL MATTER AND EVERYTHING.

RIGHT. WE DON'T YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT THAT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE THAT.

AND I KNOW THE LAKE LANSING RESIDENTS ARE DEFINITELY THANKFUL THEY HAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL LAKE FRONT PROPERTY.

MEMBER KOENIG, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MORE COMMENT AS I DO A QUESTION FOR FOR STAFF.

SO GOING BACK TO THE FIRST CASE THAT WE HEARD, WHAT IS YOUR TYPICAL PROCESS WHEN SOMETHING GETS TABLED AND WE ALL WANT TO GO DO A SEPARATE SITE PLAN, IS IT DO YOU GUYS AS STAFF REACH OUT TO US TO KIND OF SCHEDULE A TIME WITH THE APPLICANT? OR HOW WHAT'S THE STEPS, I GUESS? NO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE YOUR INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

YEAH. YOU CAN'T REALLY DO IT AS A GROUP, I DON'T THINK.

NO, NO, I.

I THINK I AGREE. WE CAN'T DO IT AS A GROUP.

BUT IS IT IS IT JUST US TO US TO JUST SHOW UP AND KNOCK ON THE GUY'S DOOR AND SAY, HEY, I'M WITH THE ZBA, CAN I COME LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY? OR I DIDN'T KNOW IF LIKE, YOU GUYS HAD WORKED WITH HIM TO SET SOMETHING UP OR YOU DID SAY HE HE DID SAY HE GAVE HIS PERMISSION.

SO I PERSONALLY I WOULD GO I WOULD GO UP AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AROUND.

I DON'T THINK I WOULD NECESSARILY KNOCK ON THE DOOR.

YEAH, I THINK I WOULD JUST.

YEAH, I WOULD. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

HE'S STILL. HE'S GOT THAT OTHER HOUSE, RIGHT? I THINK I WOULD JUST I DON'T THINK HE'S LIVING THERE.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE HE WAS.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO I WOULD JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPLICATION.

SOMETIMES THEY'LL SIGN IT.

THERE'S LIKE A RELEASE THAT SAYS I ALLOW YOU TO CHECK OUT MY PROPERTY OR WHATEVER.

OKAY? SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL SIGN THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU NEED TO GO ON THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY JUST DRIVE BY.

YEAH, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I DON'T LIVE TOO FAR FROM THERE.

YEAH, LIKELY I WOULD.

I JUST GO BY AND.

YEAH. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT OR SOMETHING.

I HAD DRIVEN BY A COUPLE OF TIMES AND ACTUALLY RODE MY BIKE BY THERE AND STUFF, BUT IT MAY BE ADVISABLE TO ACTUALLY WALK SOME OF THE PROPERTY TO GET A BETTER IDEA BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY CLUTTERED WITH STUMPS AND.

OKAY, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BOOTS.

GOT IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY, COVER UP AND GET READY TO WALK AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

YEP. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL FOR ME. MR.. OKAY, FANTASTIC.

IN THAT CASE, I THINK WE ARE ALL SET.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU. ANOTHER WELL RUN.

VERY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.