ALL RIGHT. I AM CALLING TO ORDER THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 28TH, 2023. [00:00:08] WE'LL START WITH THE ROLL CALL. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT FOR PUBLIC REMARKS. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THE AUGUST 28TH, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. YOU ATTENDED THAT TRAINING SESSION? I DID. SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. MOVE BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER SCALES. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. THERE IS NO OPPOSITION. THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 14TH, 2023 MEETING. THEY WERE NOT PREPARED IN TIME. THEY WILL BE IN YOUR NEXT PACKET. ALL RIGHT. MR. PATTEN WILL BYPASS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. GO ON TO COMMUNICATIONS. THERE APPEAR TO BE NONE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. UNFINISHED BUSINESS. I GUESS THAT DIFFERS FROM ITEM NUMBER TEN, WHICH IS CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF THE MASTER PLAN. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS. [10A. Draft Master Plan Discussion] SO WE ARE NOW ON ITEM TEN OF THE AGENDA, THE CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF THE UPDATE TO THE MASTER PLAN. GOOD EVENING. STAFF HAS TAKEN COMMENTS THAT YOU GAVE US AT OUR LAST MEETING AND INCORPORATED THEM INTO THIS DOCUMENT. AND THIS IS THE REVISED DRAFT. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU AGAIN TONIGHT. TAKE WHATEVER FEEDBACK YOU HAVE AND AM ASKING YOU AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD TO AUTHORIZE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE DRAFT MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN KEEP DISCUSSING IT AFTER THAT. AFTER THAT POINT, THAT'S WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP IT ON ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, IF YOU LIKE. IF YOU WISH. THAT JUST AUTHORIZES US TO BEGIN THE 60 DAY THREE, 63, 63 DAY CLOCK. HAVING SAID THAT, I AM READY TO HEAR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY. ANY COMMENTS? DID THE STAFF HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US AFTER YOU REBUILT THE PROPOSAL? I DID CONSULT WITH DIRECTOR SCHMITT WHO DID THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE EDITING ON THIS DOCUMENT. AND NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT AT THIS POINT. YEAH. THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN KICK US OFF, COMMISSIONER. OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION. [10B. Authorization to Distribute Master Plan] I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AUTHORIZE DISTRIBUTION OF THE DRAFT MASTER PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MICHIGAN AN ENABLING ACT. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SCALES. IS THERE A SECOND? I WILL SUPPORT THAT. SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE. ANY DISCUSSION? THANKS. THIS IS A ROLL CALL. IT WOULD BE A ROLL CALL. GO AHEAD, IF I COULD. I'M SORRY. I WANTED TO SAY ON THE MOTION, I'M DELIGHTED WITH WHAT STAFF HAS DONE WITH THIS DOCUMENT, GIVEN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LOOK LIKE THEY GOT ATTENTION. AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THAT LINES OF COMMUNICATION ARE OPEN AND THAT'S AND THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. THERE IS ONE PLACE WHERE I MIGHT DO SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE WORDSMITHING IF WE HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THAT BEFORE WE AUTHORIZE ITS DISTRIBUTION. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S IN ORDER IS THAT IN THE IN THE NATURE OF AN AMENDMENT PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. YES. YES, IT WOULD BE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE MOTION BY CHANGING SOME LANGUAGE. SO I GUESS THAT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE FORMAL MOTION. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? I THINK YOU NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. CAN YOU BRING UP WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I'LL GET TO THAT PAGE. CERTAINLY. THE WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GOAL TO READ, PRESERVE AND STRENGTHEN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. [00:05:06] THE VERY FIRST GOAL. SO YOU'RE IN THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. AND THAT LOOKS VERY MUCH TO ME LIKE THE NEW TITLE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH IT. OKAY. WE ALSO HAD DISCUSSION OF THAT VERY FIRST ITEM PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, AND I DON'T RECALL HOW FORMALLY WE STATED THAT OR AGREED TO THAT, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO SQUARE PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL FOR INCLUSION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. I THINK IT'S A FAIR ARGUMENT THAT ADDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO A EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER. THAT'S KIND OF ITS PURPOSE. AND SO TO HAVE A KIND OF TOP LEVEL OBJECTIVE THAT SAYS PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING FAMILY AND THEN HAVE ONE UNDERNEATH IT THAT SAYS CONSIDER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THEY THEY FEEL CONTRADICTORY TO ME. AND I WOULD MAKE ONE I WOULD CHANGE ONE WORD. OKAY. AND THAT PRESERVE WORD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH. AND I THINK IF IT SAID ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, I CAN'T SEE WHY ANYONE WOULD FIGHT IT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND DISTRIBUTION WITH THAT WORD CHANGED. THAT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH. SO DEPENDING ON HOW THIS THIS FOLLOWS, I WOULD LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT STANDS. AND AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION, IF WE AGREE ON LITTLE WORD CHANGES LIKE THIS, THEN WE CAN AMEND THE MAIN MOTION WITH AN OVERARCHING STATEMENT. LET ME SUGGEST ANOTHER WAY WE CAN GO, AND THAT WOULD BE TO TABLE THE MOTION PENDING A DISCUSSION WITH POSSIBLE MODIFICATIONS. THEN BRING THE MOTION BACK UP AT THAT POINT. THAT'S FINE. I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S IT KEEPS THINGS MOVING MORE COHESIVELY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE CHAIR IS GOING TO TABLE THAT MOTION PENDING FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WORD CHANGES OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BROUGHT UP BY COMMISSION. I BELIEVE WE NEED A VOTE BY THE BOARD TO TABLE A MOTION. DO WE? ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THAT? MY TRAINING WOULD TELL ME THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FORMALLY TAKEN THE MOTION. OH, DID YOU RESTATE IT THEN? WE HAD. IF YOU DID, THEN IT COUNTS. IF YOU HADN'T YET, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE TABLE TO TABLE. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK EITHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND IT IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE PLAN. SO WE MAY, AS MY PERSONAL FEELING IS DO WHAT COMMISSIONER SCALES SUGGESTED IS DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS AND THEN AMEND. BECAUSE IF WE UNTABLED THAT MOTION, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH PROPOSED CHANGES. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY AND SAY THAT THE MOTION WAS MERELY TO AUTHORIZE PUBLICATION OF IT. IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO AMENDMENT CHANGE ALTERATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES, PUBLIC INPUT. SO ALL THE MOTION ON THE TABLE WAS TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO PUBLISH IT TO START THE 50 OR 63 DAY COMMENT PERIOD. IT DOESN'T LOCK US INTO THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE. LET'S GO. I WANT HIM TO FINISH WITH OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS ACTIVE, IT'S NOT TABLED. WE CAN HEAR ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS LIKE WE JUST HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONER OVER HERE AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE MOTION THEREAFTER. THE MOTION CAN STILL PASS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF IS DIRECTED TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, BECAUSE THE MOTION DOESN'T SAY THIS DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW EVERY WORD IN THIS DOCUMENT, IT JUST SAYS MOVE THE DRAFT FORWARD. SO IF YOU IF LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS, I CAN WE CAN SIMPLY MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND THEN THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WILL GO FORWARD BECAUSE THE VOTE WILL COME AT THE END. WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK THE MOTION IS TO PRESENT THIS DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD. AND IF THERE'S ENOUGH CONTINUING DISCUSSION ABOUT MINOR CHANGES, IT MAY END UP CHANGING THE MINDS OF HALF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. [00:10:07] IT SEEMS TO ME THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS IS TO HOLD OFF VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PRESENT IT UNTIL EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR CHANCE TO MAKE THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE OR TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE. I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE A VOTE. YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND AND THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION. AND THEN AT THE CONCLUSION OF DISCUSSION, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD SEE US VOTING ON ANY ON THE DOCUMENT. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, ANY AGREED UPON CHANGES TO IT THAT CHANGES THE MOTION. IT WOULD BE THE IT WOULD BE APPROVED THE DOCUMENT AS AMENDED BY DISCUSSION. YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE PUT MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR ALL THE TIME AND THEN WE DISCUSS THEM AND THEN WE TAKE THE VOTE AT THE END. AND THE OPTION IS TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN. WE CAN STILL VOTE IT DOWN. ALL RIGHT, WELL, OKAY, SO THERE HAS BEEN A SECOND TO THE MOTION. SO NOW DISCUSSION. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUE OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE FIRST SENTENCE OF PROPOSED PAGE EIGHT OF THE DOCUMENT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION EITHER ON THAT OR ON ANY OTHER ISSUES PRESENTED OR THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH? THAT'S IT. SILENCE IS GOLDEN. ALL RIGHT, THEN. I THINK WE'LL. VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. NO VOTE ON THE MOTION FIRST. THE AMENDMENT IS BUILT IN. THERE MAY BE DISCUSSION ON OTHER AREAS, SO WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE GOALS AND SEE IF THERE'S COMMENTS ON. THAT'S WHAT I ASK THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION WAS HAD TO DO WITH. NO, I SAID, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ISSUES THAT ARE PRESENTED? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES THEY WISH TO RAISE ABOUT THE CURRENT FORMAT PRESENTED BY STAFF? WHY DON'T I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WHY DON'T I GO THROUGH IT? JUST PAGE THROUGH IT. IF ANYBODY SEES SOMETHING, STOP ME. THAT'S WORKED FOR ME IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. SURE. MAYBE ON THE TITLE OF CONTENTS. MR.. I'M SORRY. YES. AND YOU MAINLY JUST HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES AS YOU DO THAT. I CANNOT, I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WERE BOLDED AND I DIDN'T MAKE THEM. I WAS HOPING.. I'M SORRY.. LOOKING BACK AT IT. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY. UM, SO EXECUTIVE SUMMARY INTRODUCTION TO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, THE FIRST ONE OF WHICH STRENGTH AND EXPAND RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES. ANY MORE COMMENTS ON ANY OF THOSE OBJECTIVES? NEXT ONE ENHANCE THE VIABILITY OF TOWNSHIP BUSINESSES. ANY COMMENTS? MAINTAIN OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVICES. OH, YES. OKAY. THIS PAGE. THE FIRST SENTENCE SLASH PARAGRAPH. THEIR WORK WITH HASLETT AND OKEMOS PUBLIC SCHOOLS ON THE CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION OF THEIR BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP. JUST WORK WITH IS VERY, TO ME, VERY VAGUE. IN WHAT CAPACITY? I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST WELL, IS IT LIKE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LAND USE CONTROLS OVER THE SCHOOLS. THEY DO HAVE TO ADHERE TO THINGS LIKE WETLAND ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN FOR REVIEW. WE JUST DON'T THINK FOR COMMENT. SURE. SO WE HAVE A WORKING WITH RELATIONSHIP. OKAY. I JUST I'M JUST EXPLAINING IT. THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE. I'M WELL, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST READ IT, IT KIND OF IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD MEAN MORE THAN I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO SOMEBODY ELSE. SO COLLABORATE WITH CONSULT IN CONSULTATION WITH. THAT'S MAYBE MORE WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS, RIGHT? RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. WORK JUST SOUNDS LIKE A VERY ACTIVE HANDS ON TYPE VERB, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S FOLLOWED UP WITH CONSTRUCTION RECONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES. SO WOULD IT MAKE YOU HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT WORD FROM WORK WITH TO COOPERATE, COLLABORATE, COLLABORATE, COOPERATE? YEAH, COLLABORATE, I THINK IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE AND SPECIFIC. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY, I HAVE JUST A QUESTION AND MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN HERE AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT. THE VERY LAST LINE ON THERE, THE ABBREVIATION CPTED PRINCIPLES ARE THE OTHER DEFINITIONS SOMEWHERE LINKED THAT I JUST [00:15:08] MISSED? OH NO, BUT WE COULD ADD THAT. AND SO YEAH, WE COULD. WE COULD. I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH, WITH A LIST OF THAT DEFINITIONS AND GET THAT LINKED. IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER THINGS TOO, THAT THE GENERAL READER MAY NOT KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE DOING MORE LINKAGES TO OTHER THINGS. SO THAT MIGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD. YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WE CAN GENERATE A LIST OF DEFINITIONS AND THEN AT THE END WE CAN PRESENT THAT LIST TO YOU AND WE CAN CREATE THAT LINK AND ADD IT INTO THE DOCUMENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH. I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY EMBEDDED INTO LATER SECTIONS. I JUST GO TO THE PAGE. OKAY. ALSO SIMILAR TO THAT, THERE WERE A FEW TIMES WHERE I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW APPROPRIATE THIS IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE A FEW HYPERLINKS TO THINGS LIKE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S CAPITALIZED, WHICH INDICATES THAT IT'S A PROGRAM. BUT EVEN SO, IT CAN ALSO, JUST MAYBE TO SOME READERS SOUND LIKE IT'S JUST A PRINCIPLE HAVING A SAFE WAY TO GET TO SCHOOL. SO A HYPERLINK TO THAT PROGRAM OR THOSE PRINCIPLES WOULD BE AMAZING. AND THEN IT WAS A COUPLE PAGES BACK. THE MSU MASTER PLAN. I DON'T AGAIN, NOT SURE IF WE WANT A TON OF HYPERLINKS, BUT PEOPLE MIGHT FIND THAT INTERESTING. AND YEAH, AND WE CAN ADD THOSE AS AS YOU GUYS DEEM NECESSARY. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REVIEW DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD AND WHEN WE GET THE FINAL DRAFT WE COULD GENERATE A LIST AND GO BACK AND DO THAT. OKAY. DO YOU LIKE THE SUGGESTION AS A BODY, THOUGH, TO CHANGE THAT FIRST WORD WORK TO COLLABORATE? DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YEAH. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON ON PUBLIC SERVICES? OKAY. ENCOURAGE POTENTIAL INTENSITY CHANGE AREA OF THE PEAK OF DEVELOPMENT. TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE. STRATEGIC GROWTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION. IMPLEMENTATION IDEAS. AND THIS IS THIS IS THE LIST OF ACTIONABLE TASKS, IF YOU WILL. SO THIS IS WHAT WE SEE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ACTUALLY ATTEMPTING TO DO TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. ONE QUICK COMMENT. OKAY. IT SAYS INCREASE THE TOWNSHIP'S BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY STATUS TO AT LEAST BRONZE LEVEL. CORRECT. I WOULD SAY I WOULD ADD LIKE A DESCRIPTOR THERE. THAT'S BRONZE LEVEL IN. AND WHAT IS THE RATING SYSTEM? WHATEVER THE RATING SYSTEM IS. OR MAYBE IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR ANOTHER HYPERLINK. BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY BY THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS. OKAY. JUST RIGHT AT THE END. OKAY. FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. THESE ARE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON THE MAP. THIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE FEW CHANGES THAT WE MADE. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THOSE. THIS IS THE ZONING PLAN. SO THIS IS REQUIRED IN MICHIGAN PLANNING LAW THAT WE SAY HERE ARE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND HERE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT CONFORM WITH THOSE DESIGNATIONS. REMEMBER, A FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NOT THE SAME AS A ZONING MAP. AND THEN MORE DESCRIPTION, MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PIQUA AREA'S URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY DISCUSSION. THE TWO CHANGES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, DESCRIPTION OF THE BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. [00:20:04] AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER REQUIRED COMPONENT DESCRIPTION OF OUR NATURAL FEATURES IN THE TOWNSHIP, WHICH I'LL SKIM THROUGH PRETTY QUICK AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SECTION. YES, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE WAS WHEN I WENT THROUGH IT, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING YOU SAID YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO IT MIGHT NOT FIT WITH THE WHOLE LIGHTING STREET LIGHTING ISSUE. IS THAT IS THAT ADDRESSED IN THE MASTER PLAN? IN TERMS OF SAFETY? POPULATION INCLUSION. USE MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE OF POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS. UM, MAYBE NOT IN A SPECIFIC WE'VE GOT HERE. LET ME SEE HERE. TABLE OF CONTENTS. UM. INFRASTRUCTURE TALKS ABOUT ELECTRICITY, SEWER, WATER. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE SPECIFIC. IF THERE'S SOMETHING IF THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, WE CAN PUT IT IN, LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION. AND IF YOU IF WE THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE COULD WORK ON DURING OUR COMMENT PERIOD AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND WE COULD EASILY INSERT THAT. OKAY. UM, WE WE HAVE, WE DID HEAR IT. I JUST DON'T I JUST DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE DIRECTOR SCHMITT WOULD PLACE THAT. BUT WE DO HAVE YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE HEARD YOU I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS WITH THE LIGHTING THERE HAD TO DO WITH THE DARK SKY ISSUE AND DOWN LIGHTING. AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT SAFETY. AND I THINK EXPLORING THE LIGHTING ORDINANCES AND RESTRICTIONS TO PRESERVE DARK SKY COULD GO INTO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, MAKING SURE THE LIGHTING ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS PROVIDES SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS COULD GO UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS, SO IT COULD BE IN A COUPLE OF PLACES AND PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN BOTH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. SURE. HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. I WONDER IF ON PAGE 16, THE LIGHT SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT WALKABILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE INCORPORATING IT WITH THAT. I MEAN, A PATH IS GREAT AND ALL, BUT I WOULDN'T CALL IT WALKABLE IF IT'S PITCH BLACK AND THERE'S NO LIGHTING FOR IT. YEAH. YEAH. WALKABILITY, DEFINITELY. LIGHTING IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF WALKABILITY. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT AND AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL FOR THE BENEFIT OF COMMISSIONERS WHO WEREN'T WITH US LAST TIME. MIGHT BE WORTH HAVING A QUICK PEEK AT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME IMPORTANT CHANGES MADE IN THAT SECTION, I BELIEVE. SURE. SO IT'S THE TWO THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED BOTH OF THESE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE FIRST ONE IS UH, HOUSEKEEPING ITEM AT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY WENT ACROSS TWO PROPERTIES OUT HERE ON THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE TOWNSHIP. I DID CONTACT BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. ONE SAID THEY WANTED TO BE IN THE BOUNDARY. THE OTHER SAID THEY WANTED TO BE OUT OF THE BOUNDARY. SO THE LINE WAS FIXED TO CONFORM TO THE PARCELS. IT DOES. IN NEITHER CASE DOES IT FORCE ANYBODY TO CONNECT TO SERVICES. IT JUST SIMPLY SAYS IF THEY WANT TO, THEY'RE IN OR THEY'RE OUT. THE OTHER CHANGE THAT WAS MADE, THE PREVIOUS BOUNDARY CAME DOWN. POWELL ROAD CAME, TOOK IN THE SUBDIVISION, CAME BACK, CAME DOWN, TOOK IN THIS PROPERTY CUT AND THEN WENT DOWN GRAND RIVER AVENUE. THAT ZIGZAG NATURE OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY IT SIMPLY SQUARED OFF TO TAKE OUT ANY PERCEIVED CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT DOES THEN MAKE THIS GOLF DRIVING RANGE INSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY. [00:25:07] THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS INSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY. AND THEN. YEAH, I'M SORRY. DID I? NO, THAT'S GREAT. THE THE TEXT ABOVE THAT SECOND ONE GOT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. UM, THERE WAS AN EXCEPTION IN THE PREVIOUS BUILDING AND POTENTIAL EXPANSION TO PROPERTIES OR PREVIOUS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT SPECIFYING THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE UNDERLYING RATIONALE FOR WHAT WAS DONE AT THE TIME. AND THE BIT WITH THE. SUB STREETS. RIGHT. YEAH. EVEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WERE SUB STREETS BUILT TO CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT PARCEL. SO YEAH, LANGUAGE THAT STAFF ADDED REALLY CLARIFIES IN MY MIND WHAT THE REASONING FOR DOING THIS THAT IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY MAKING A STRAIGHTER LINE IT'S IT'S LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS THAT EXISTED WHEN THE LINE WAS BUILT. WELL YOU KNOW HOW DID THAT WHY WOULD WE HAVE DONE THAT? AND LET'S LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT PART. UM, UH, PARAGRAPH JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE, ANY CHANGES TO THE USB? I BELIEVE WE AGREED THAT THAT WAS PART THAT'S THE EXISTING MASTER PLAN LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY. SO IT'S JUST CITED HERE. IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY STILL THE FIRST HOUSEKEEPING ONE BECAUSE THAT STILL ISN'T FIT. SO I'M WONDERING, SHOULD WE BE SUGGESTING SOMETHING THERE THAT SAYS OR IN THE CASE OF AN APPARENT MISTAKE IN THE ORIGINAL, YOU COULD STILL DISCOVER ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, RIGHT? MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE MORE OUT THERE AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIX THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO. WELL, I FEEL NITPICKY. I THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, I CAN. WE CAN ADD A LITTLE. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE STILL HAD THAT. WE WERE DRAWING THAT LITTLE SQUIGGLY LINE IN THERE. THIS ONE. YEAH. RATHER THAN JUST, JUST LIKE, INCLUDE THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT. BUT BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO REACH OUT TO THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND I GOT A YES RESPONSE AND A NO RESPONSE. SO THAT WAS US. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. THE PROPERTY IS JUST A FUNKY SHAPE. OH, MAN. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE CHANGES. I THINK TO CLARIFY. SO AT THIS MOMENT I'VE GOT REPLACING THE WORD PRESERVE WITH ENHANCE IN THE RESIDENTIAL. ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL OBJECTIVES, THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL OBJECTIVE. I'M CHANGING THE WORD WORK TO COLLABORATE WITH SCHOOLS, ADDING THE DEFINITION AND DEFINING THAT THE BRONZE, THE BRONZE STATUS COMES FROM THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS. THAT'S WHERE THAT WHOLE BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY COMES FROM. IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ADD THAT LINK. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. THIS IS A CURIOUS QUESTION, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILD OUT ANALYSIS PAGE AGAIN AND THEN LOOKING AT IT AND THINKING ABOUT IT IN CONTEXT WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THESE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT. SO IT WOULD BE THE NEXT BUILD OUT ANALYSIS IF WE END UP WITH ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL DWELLING THAT THAT WOULD THEN MAYBE ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT BUILD OUT. THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO LOOK AT THAT NOW, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. THE BUILD OUT ANALYSIS IS BASED ON CURRENT LAND USE REGS. SO IF WE THE THE ONE, THE ONE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FOR THE COPPER CREEK PROPERTY, IF AND OR WHEN THAT REZONING COMES IN, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THAT DENSITY. THAT WOULD CHANGE THE BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER. I DO NOT. YOU'VE MADE THREE TEXT CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT, AND I FEEL. AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS FURTHER HYPERLINKS AND STREET LIGHTING AND ABBREVIATIONS AND DEFINITIONS. SO SHOULD I RESTATE A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THOSE CHANGES? [00:30:01] OR DOES THAT. I THINK I THINK THE MOTION STANDS. THE MOTION STANDS, BUT IT SHOULD BE RESTATED SAYING SUBJECT TO THE CHANGES WE MADE TONIGHT IS WHAT GETS PUBLISHED. THAT'S ALL. AND IF COMMISSIONER COULD DO THAT, YES. BEFORE WE VOTE, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION? WELL, LET'S LISTEN TO THE MOTION FIRST. THAT'S ON THE TABLE. AND THAT MOTION WAS TO AUTHORIZE DISTRIBUTION OF THE DRAFT MASTER PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MICHIGAN PLANNING ENABLING ACT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHICH DRAFT? WHICH DRAFT? THE DRAFT. UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, THE WORD DRAFT IS TOO VAGUE BECAUSE WE HAVE A DRAFT WITH FOUR DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS TO IT. SORRY. THE DRAFT. THAT'S OKAY. THE DRAFT WITH THE AMENDMENTS AS DECIDED BY THIS BODY ON AUGUST 28 2023. AND YOU CONTINUE YOUR SECOND TO THAT. I CONTINUE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT. IT'LL BE A ROLL CALL VOTE. LET'S START WITH AND THE CHAIR SUPPORTS IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKES CARE OF ITEM NUMBER TEN DRAFT MASTER PLAN AND AUTHORIZATION TO DISTRIBUTE. WHAT'S YOUR BOARD UPDATE? BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM THE TOWNSHIP BOARD? AND ARE THERE ANY LIAISON REPORTS? [11B. Liaison reports.] I HAVE ONE FOR THE. WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY. SO I THINK BEFORE LAST MEETING, WE MET AND WE REVIEWED A DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED TIFF PLAN. IF I'M RECALLING THAT CORRECTLY, AND BRIAN'S SAYING YES. AND SO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING THIS PAST WEEK TO REVIEW SOME EDITS AND CHANGES TO THAT DOCUMENT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE QUORUM. AND SO IT GOT PUSHED BACK. BUT WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH A POTENTIALLY GETTING A TIFF PUT TOGETHER BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE. SO WE SHOULD ONCE THAT DOCUMENT IS EDITS HAVE GONE THROUGH, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA FOR US TO I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE MASTER PLAN, NO. YES, PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO READ IT ANYWAYS. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MET SUBSEQUENT TO THE LAST MEETING. WE HAD ONE ISSUE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WAS SOME SETBACK WAIVERS FOR CONSTRUCTING REPLACEMENT APARTMENTS AT NOB HILL. I THINK IT'S NOB HILL. YEP. IT HAD SOME BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE FURTHER APART. WHEN THEY REBUILD THIS, THEY HAD TO CAN'T WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO REBUILD AND IT LEFT ONE CORNER WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM THEIR PARKING LOT. THE ZBA APPROVED IT. THESE ARE ALL INTERNAL SETBACK ISSUES. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. IT WAS APPROVED AND THEY'LL GO FORWARD. THEY'RE HOPING TO BUILD. THAT'S INTERESTING. THERE WAS A ZONING IMPACT TO THAT. THEY COULDN'T THEY? BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODES HAVE CHANGED AND THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED. THEY COULDN'T REPLACE THE BUILDINGS WITH THE SAME EXACT BUILDING THAT BURNED DOWN BECAUSE ADA REQUIRES WIDER HALLWAYS AND [00:35:08] HAVE AN ELEVATOR. THEY HAD HAD SOME OTHER ISSUES, SO THE BUILDING AND THE APARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE LARGER THAN WHAT ARE IN THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS TO MEET CURRENT BUILDING CODES AND TO KEEP THEM SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER BUILDINGS SO THEY DON'T HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THEY DID WITH THE FIRE THAT WENT FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT. THEY HAD TO COUNT THE BUILDINGS AND ROTATE THEM A LITTLE BIT. AND THAT IMPACTED ON THE SETBACK FROM THE PARKING LOT, WHICH AND THE SETBACK FROM THE PARKING LOT IS MUCH GREATER THAN IT WAS WHEN THEY BUILT THE BUILDING 50 YEARS AGO. SO, I MEAN, IT'S ALL INTERNAL STUFF AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS. AND IT SEEMED LIKE A LOGICAL WAY TO GO SO TO ALLOW THEM TO STORE THOSE APARTMENTS. ANY OTHER LIAISONS? DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE? AS A MATTER OF FACT, I ASKED THEM AND THEY HOPED AS SOON AS THEY GET CONSUMERS POWER IN THERE TO TO GET THEM JUICE. THEY'RE HOPING TO START BUILDING THIS FALL. AND HE EVEN INDICATED THEIR IDEAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM OPEN NEXT MAY OR JUNE, WHICH IS VERY QUICK. THAT'S FAST. MOST OF THE TENANTS THAT WERE LOST, THEIR HOUSING, MANY OF THEM HAVE ASKED TO COME BACK. SO IT'S NEEDED. YEAH, THEY ARE PLANNING ON MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL DUE SPEED. YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF UNITS. YEAH. THE TOWNSHIP. ANY OTHER REPORTS? PROJECT REPORT. I ASSUME THERE'S NOTHING UPDATED. PROJECT REPORT. I HANDED THAT OUT. [12A. Project Report] IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. SORRY, I DIDN'T GET IT IN THE PACKET, BUT I DID GET THAT UPDATED. YES. I COMMUNICATED WITH DIRECTOR SCHMITT TODAY AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC, CAN YOU GIVE JUST A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF HOW THE TRADER JOE'S PERMIT WAS REESTABLISHED? SPECIALTY GROCER LOCATED AT 2755 GRAND RIVER AVENUE DID APPLY FOR APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. WOULD IT WOULD ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING. THEY WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER PERMITS FOR FURTHER CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THE WALLS ESSENTIALLY TO BE BUILT. THIS IS THE SAME PERMIT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THE SPECIALTY GROCER AND AFTER A LACK OF ACTION THAT IT JUST REACHED THE EXPIRATION DATE, THEY SIMPLY JUST REAPPLIED FOR THE SAME PERMIT. SO THEY'RE MOVING. THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING FORWARD AGAIN. THANK YOU. EVERYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC TO MAKE PUBLIC REMARKS. [14. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS] ARE THERE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? I JUST WANTED TO MENTION I ATTENDED THE PRIDE EVENT THIS WEEKEND AND IT WAS FABULOUS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE TOWNSHIP WHO ATTENDED OR TOOK PART IN THE PLANNING AND THE ORGANIZING. MY YOUNGEST SON RAN THE FIVE K. IT WAS A VERY SMALL RACE, BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT NEXT YEAR, IF THE RACE IS MAYBE MARKETED A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT MAYBE WE HAVE A BETTER TURNOUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO RAN SEEMED TO REALLY ENJOY IT. AND I DON'T KNOW HIS LAST NAME, BUT ZACH, WHO DOES OUR ZACHARY SPURLOCK WAS FABULOUS. HE WAS BASICALLY RUNNING THE RACE. HE WAS JUST SO ENCOURAGING. AND YOU COULD TELL THAT HE JUST PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO MAKING THAT RACE A FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE WHO TOOK PART IN IT. I MEAN, RIGHT DOWN TO THE DETAIL OF LAMINATING EVERY INDIVIDUAL RACERS BIB. UM, I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS VERY NOTICEABLE TO ME, THAT LEVEL OF THOUGHT AND DETAIL. SO ANYWAY, IT WAS A REALLY FUN TIME AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR US TO HAVE A PRIDE EVENT NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? NO. ALL RIGHT, THEN. WE ARE ENTERTAINING A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOVE TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.