Mar 27, 2023 Planning Commission

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MONDAY, MARCH 27TH.

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.

FIRST, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL.

O WE HAVE A QUORUM.

NOW THE NEXT THING IS PUBLIC REMARKS.

I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT TO THE BOARD, IF YOU WISH.

IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, YOU CAN SAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

SUPPORT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. NO OPPOSITION.

THE AGENDA IS APPROVED FOR THIS EVENING.

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS MARCH 13TH OF 2023.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. DID I? SORRY. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL.

I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. IT'S MY FAULT.

UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I ASKED A QUESTION, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT AND PERTINENT INFORMATION TO MY QUESTION TO THE ANSWER IS NOT INCLUDED.

I WAS WONDERING.

I WAS ASKING IF THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IF MORE THAN 50% OF THAT HOME IS DAMAGED, IT CANNOT BE REBUILT.

OKAY, I CAN VERIFY.

I'LL GET THAT CLARIFIED FOR YOU.

OKAY. SO NOW I'M WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT KNEW THAT INFORMATION.

SHE DID RESPOND THAT SHE DID KNOW THAT.

YES. OKAY.

IF YOU PERCEIVE THAT TO BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR ADDITIONS OR OMISSIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONER SCALES.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, SAY I.

I. NO OPPOSITION.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

COMMUNICATIONS. THERE ARE APPARENTLY NONE.

SO WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

[7A. SUP #23007 – 1502 River Terrace Drive]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SEE IF I CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIGGER FOR YOU.

THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 23007 WORK OF CHRIST COMMUNITY TO CONSTRUCT RELIGIOUS OFFICES IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS FOR 1502 RIVER TERRACE DRIVE.

THAT'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT'S ABOUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE OF SIZE AND IT'S ZONED RA, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

WE DO ALLOW A SOME NON RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS A SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

THE APPLICANT, THE WORK OF CHRIST COMMUNITY IS PLANNING ON REMODELING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND USING OFFICES FOR THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS.

AT THE TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS.

ARE YOU OKAY? THANK YOU. AT THE TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE THE APPLICATION, THERE WERE NO EXTERNAL MODIFICATIONS BEING MADE TO THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO NECESSITATE SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

WE DO ALLOW, LIKE I SAID, RELIGIOUS USES A SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE HAVING THIS HEARING TONIGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO ANY HAVE ANY CHANGE OF CHARACTER BECAUSE NO MODIFICATIONS ARE BEING PLANNED TO THE OUTSIDE.

NO NATURAL FEATURES ARE AFFECTED AND STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED NO OTHER MAJOR CONCERNS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THEM.

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ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS AND I WANTED I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE.

ARE THESE EXISTING OR IS THIS BUILDING ALREADY EXISTING OR IS IT.

YES, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT RENOVATION WITHIN CORRECT BUILDING.

CORRECT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SPECIFICALLY.

SO ANYTHING WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT? YEAH. YEAH.

SO FOR.

THIS IS UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION PART ONE, SECTION L.

NUMBER SIX, IT SAID THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

IS THAT. LET ME EXPLAIN BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST YEAR.

WE AMENDED. WE MADE WE MADE IT AN AMENDMENT TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE LAST YEAR TO BRING ALL OUR TRAFFIC STANDARDS.

THERE WERE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.

WE STANDARDIZED IT AND THEN BASED THAT ON THE STANDARDS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THE UPDATED MUPUD ORDINANCE.

SO THE DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM TRIGGER TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STOP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE DETAIL ON HOW THAT DECISION WAS MADE.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE I WAS ALSO LIKE I WAS LIKE, WHY WOULD THEY NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS? THAT SEEMS LIKE EXCESSIVE COST, BUT CORRECT.

THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY.

THANKS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYBE A COMMENT? YEAH. I'VE BEEN BY THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING RECENTLY, AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE CURRENT USE ISN'T LEADING TO THE SORT OF MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU WOULD HOPE.

SO CONSIDERING A DIFFERENT PERMITTED USE THAT IS LIKELY TO CREATE A DIFFERENT CONDITION FOR THE PROPERTY I THINK IS A GREAT THING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING I'M SORRY WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT NOBODY ELSE ON THE PANEL HAS ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. DID WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISHED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ON THIS ISSUE? SIR. NO, NO.

ALL RIGHT, THEN. SO WE TAKE A STRAW VOTE ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL TAKE A STRAW VOTE FOR PURPOSE OF GUIDING STAFF AS TO THE RESOLUTION.

SO LET'S START THE STRAW VOTE.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS? YES. COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

I WOULD APPROVE. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? YES. COMMISSIONER CURTIS? YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS.

APPROVE. COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I SEE NO OPPOSITION.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SUPPORT.

AND THE CHAIR ALSO SUPPORTS.

OKAY. WE'LL BRING YOU A RESOLUTION IN TWO WEEKS.

THANK YOU. SO UNFINISHED BUSINESS

[8A. REZ #23006 – Worful Rezoning]

THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING FOR THE WARFEL REZONING REZONING NUMBER 23006 TO ADMINISTRATIVELY REZONE ONE PARCEL AT 5677 CADE STREET FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO RB SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE OWNER, JESSICA WARFEL, REQUESTED REZONING OF HER PROPERTY WHEN SHE WENT TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND WAS TOLD SHE COULDN'T BECAUSE SHE WAS ZONED FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ON MARCH 13TH.

THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION.

WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMMENT FROM PUBLIC SINCE THEN.

SO YOU DID A STRAW POLL AT THAT TIME WITH SHOWING UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.

SO WE HAVE OFFERED YOU A MOTION, A RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS TWICE NOW.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ON TWO OCCASIONS DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY BRINGING THE PROPERTY INTO ITS CURRENT

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SO I SEE NO REASON AT ALL TO OPPOSE THIS.

AND AS I'VE PREVIOUSLY STATED, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU WONDER WHY IT WAS ZONED THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SURE, YOU ORIGINALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESIDENTIAL.

ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE NEED TO VOTE ON APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND SECONDED.

ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENT BEFORE WE CALL THE VOTE? NO.

THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVED.

FANTASTIC. I WILL MOVE THAT.

I'LL BRING THE WE'LL MOVE THAT FORWARD TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN.

[10A. Future Land Use Map Updates]

LET'S SEE. LET ME GET THERE.

SORRY. OKAY.

AS PART OF ANY MASTER PLAN UPDATE, YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

YOU REVIEW IT AND YOU MAKE UPDATES WHERE NECESSARY.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF UPDATES BEING DISCUSSED WITH THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN FROM 20 1720 2017.

BUT WE DO HAVE SIX AREAS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR INPUT ON.

THE FIRST FOUR I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT ARE BASED ON LAND OWNER REQUESTS.

THE LAST TWO WE'VE REACHED OUT TO LAND OWNERS.

THERE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN OBSERVED BY STAFF AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSS AND GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON THE FIRST.

I'M GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THEM IN ORDER.

AND WHEN I DO, I WILL NOTE THAT FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH ONE.

ONE SECOND, SIR.

I'LL BE IN TOUCH.

FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH DOES HAVE A COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES HERE, AND I AM GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT AND HAND OUT AN ATTACHMENT RELATED TO THIS. AND I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN IT WHEN I DO.

CAN YOU TELL HER WE ALREADY APPROVED EVERYTHING? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS FOR COMING. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO SIT HERE.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE MOVING TOO FAST FOR THE OBVIOUS.

WE ARE EFFICIENT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS A FEW TIMES.

AND I GOT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN FAR AND AWAY THE MOST ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS FROM OUR RESIDENT SIDE ON THIS.

THE REASON I HANDED THIS OUT, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING THE NORTHERN THIRD TO BE CHANGED.

SO HOW THIS WORKS, THIS IS THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND IT'S INSTITUTIONAL.

SO THE HISTORY ON THIS SITE BEFORE MY TIME HERE, THE APPLICANTS, THE CHURCH WENT TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, THE TWO THE TWO TO A RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.

THE REZONING WENT DOWN, WAS VOTED DOWN IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DID NOT AGREE WITH IT IN FUTURE.

IN PAST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

WE'VE DECIDED WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CHURCH IS GOING ANYWHERE.

IT'S NOT.

BUT THEY ARE STILL INTERESTED IN SELLING THE NORTHERN THIRD.

AND THAT RELATES TO WHAT I JUST HANDED YOU MY RECTANGLE UP.

THERE IS AN APPROXIMATION WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ACTUALLY DEFINING THE AREA.

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THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT THEY SUBMITTED WITH THE REZONING REQUEST.

NOW, BEFORE I GO ON, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER BEFORE I GO ON, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, IF I STATED YOUR CASE.

IS THAT OKAY, MR. CHAIR? YES.

OKAY. BY ALL MEANS.

THEY WANT TO SELL THE DREAM.

IS THAT USABLE FOR ANYTHING? YES. HELLO AND GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

MY NAME IS CECILIA KRAMER.

I'M A RESIDENT AT 4560 OAKWOOD HERE IN BEAUTIFUL OKEMOS.

UM, BUT I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH.

AND WITH ME TONIGHT IS PRESIDENT OF OUR CONGREGATION, MIKE ESCHELBACH.

AND WE ARE HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, JUST UPDATE YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THE THE ENTIRE OUR ENTIRE EXCUSE ME, OUR ENTIRE REQUEST FOR A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE MAP. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, WHEN FAITH LUTHERAN WAS FIRST STARTED, IT WAS BACK IN THE MID 50S AND IT WAS FROM A BEQUEST THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A CORN FIELD, THAT IT WAS PART OF A FARM.

AND WE WERE GIVEN THAT TEN ACRES OF THAT FULL PLOT OF TEN ACRES OF THIS CORN FIELD TO PUT THE CHURCH ON.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY USED THE LOWER SIX ACRES OF THE OF THE TEN ACRE PLOT FOR THE CHURCH.

THE CHURCH HAS BEEN EXPANDED TWICE.

THERE IS A PARSONAGE ON THE PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS THAT LOOK LIKE AN ARC AND ALL SORTS OF AND A COUPLE OF BASKETBALL COURTS AND THERE YOU GO.

BUT AT THIS POINT, A LITTLE MORE CURRENT.

IN 2019, WE APPROACHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET A ZONING CHANGE ON THAT UPPER OR IF YOU WILL, FOUR ACRES. AND BY JANUARY OF 2020, WE HAD WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND EVEN APPEALED TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD AND WERE TURNED DOWN IN BOTH CASES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD BECAUSE IT DID NOT MATCH THE LAND USE PLAN, LAND USE MAP AND THE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE START OFF HERE.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE WERE GOING BACK NOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK A CHANGE TO THAT MASTER PLAN TO THE LAND USE MAP SO THAT WE CAN TRY AND DEAL WITH THAT NORTHERN FOUR ACRES.

OUR REQUEST IS FOR A DENSITY CHANGE ON THAT PORTION OF OUR TEN ACRE PARCEL TO CHANGE IT FROM THE INSTITUTIONAL ZONING THAT IT IS CURRENTLY TO MULTI RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD IN ESSENCE MATCH THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT ACRES ON THE NORTHERN PORTION PARCELS ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY AND KITTY CORNER ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTHEAST FOR ANOTHER MULTI RESIDENTIAL PARCEL.

WE FEEL BASICALLY THAT THIS WOULD DOVETAIL NICELY WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE MASTER PLAN, SPECIFICALLY TO SUSTAIN, PROMOTE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE GROWTH PRACTICES, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE CONCEPT OF INFILL AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING OVER PROPERTY THAT IS OUT IN THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE TOWNSHIP.

BEYOND THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, THIS IS MORE INFILL AND WOULD GIVE US A NICE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO HAVE A PARCEL THAT'S USES PUBLIC SERVICES AND RESPONSIBLE USE OF THOSE PUBLIC SERVICES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A WALKABLE AREA.

THERE'S THE SIDEWALKS, WE CALL THEM PATHWAYS PATHWAY RIGHT ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION ALONG DOBIE ROAD THERE, MAKING IT VERY ACCESSIBLE TO COMMERCIAL AREA IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AT HAMILTON AND GRAND RIVER AND DOBIE, THAT WHOLE AREA, THERE'S A BUS STOP IN FRONT OF THE PARCEL.

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IT'S BEEN VERY QUIET THIS WEEK, VERY.

VERY QUIET THERE.

WE CAN GET OUT. WE CAN TURN LEFT.

WE CAN TURN RIGHT. IT'S JUST AMAZING.

BUT AND ALSO WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE.

IT'S SO THIS IS A PERFECT SORT OF INFILL PARCEL.

OUR OBJECTIVE IS A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING OPTION FOR, LET'S SAY, SENIORS, SMALL FAMILIES AND MODERATELY PRICED TYPE OF HOUSING, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER FURTHER GOAL OF THE OF THE MASTER PLAN.

SO IN ESSENCE, ESSENTIALLY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU SUPPORT THIS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MAYBE ONE. ONE QUICK ONE.

THE HANDOUT HAS PARTIAL B 2.99 ACRES.

SO I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY FOR THIS.

THIS PAPER SEEMS TO SAY THREE, BUT I'M NOT.

I STILL SUPPORT THE IT IS.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE CONCEPT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

RIGHT. IT'S A IT'S A WELL THE PARCEL B WAS THE 3.99 IS WHAT WOULD BE ACTIVELY USED. THE C THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MAKES UP A LITTLE BIT MORE UP TO THE ALMOST FOUR ACRES.

SO THIS IS NOT A THIS IS A, IF YOU WILL, A DOCTORED CERTIFIED MAP.

BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAPPENED TO HAVE WITH ME WHEN HE NEEDED A SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL CERTIFIED RE SURVEYED APPROPRIATELY AT THE RIGHT TIME.

MR. KRAMER, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR YOUR SURVEY HERE.

YES. AND IS IT YOUR INTENT THAT THE DIVISION LINE IS GOING TO BE SO THAT YOUR DRIVEWAY INTO THE CHURCH NOW WILL BE SERVICING THIS AREA? YES, THE DRIVEWAY THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY DECIDED, IF WE WILL, WOULD MOVE THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE, IF YOU WILL, THE SETBACK AREA OR IF WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT ACTUALLY ON THE THE LOWER PORTION OF THE SIX, SIX ACRE PARCEL, THE DRIVEWAY OR EXCUSE ME, THE SETBACK AREA IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE USED BY THE CHURCH, LANDSCAPED BY THE CHURCH, AND COULD BE HAVE THE DRIVEWAY PUT IN THERE.

BUT THAT WOULD GIVE THE NEW PARCEL UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL FOR SALE.

IT WOULD GIVE THEM FULL USE OF THE UPPER PORTION SO THAT THE ANY BUILDINGS WOULD BE TO THE SETBACK AREA TO TO THAT THAT THAT LINE, IF YOU WILL, THE ACTUAL PLACEMENT WILL WILL BE BASED ON SITE PLAN AND WHATEVER.

ABSOLUTELY. WHATEVER THE TOWNSHIP RULES FOR THAT.

YES. BUT THAT THIS WAS THE THIS IS THE CURRENT DRAFT YOU JUST DRAFT PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

WE'RE NOT REZONING ANYTHING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR YOUR LAND USE LAND USE MAP.

AND THE OTHER ANOMALY I SEE HERE IS ON THE TOP.

THIS PARCEL IS 220FT DEEP ON THE BOTTOM.

IT'S 200.

YES. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS WHY THAT WOULD BE OFF LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD BE A SURVEYOR QUESTION.

YEAH, I JUST NOTICED THAT.

AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY A SQUARE.

IT'S A BIT, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. OKAY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE AND THAT MAY BE BECAUSE IT'S A METES AND BOUNDS DEFINED PARCEL THAT PROBABLY CAME OUT OF A LARGER FARM. AND SO IF THE 1950 MID 50S SURVEY GAVE IT THE WRONG SLIGHT MEASUREMENT, I HAVE NO IDEA.

I'M ASKING YOU TO.

I JUST WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA.

YES, GO AHEAD.

YOU HAVE TO COME. PLEASE COME UP.

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AND SO A STEP, IT HAD LIKE A STEP IN IT.

SO THAT'S WHY THE REAR WAS ORIGINALLY 220.

SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S IT'S A DOCTORED SURVEY JUST FOR EXAMPLE, PURPOSES.

AND SO THE ORIGINAL SURVEY HAD IT WENT LIKE THIS AND THEN STEPPED OVER THE 20FT AND THEN STEPPED BACK.

SO THAT'S WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT DIMENSION OF 220 ON THE BACK LINE AND 200 ON THE FRONT LINE.

SO IT'S JUST REALLY FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET A REAL SURVEY DONE.

SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. SHORKEY THEN, OF COURSE, THE PROCESS THROUGH THIS FOR THIS, WOULD THEY? SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

LEAVE IT AS A SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

OR HOW WOULD THEY? THEY WOULD DELINEATE EACH PORTION.

SO THIS LINE COULD SLIDE A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. SO THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO.

THERE'S NO RULE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO FOLLOW EXACT PARCEL LINES.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE SAKE IT TYPICALLY DOES.

SO WHEN THE TIME COMES, THEY'LL DO A LAND DIVISION.

THAT'S A SIMPLE ENOUGH PROCESS.

BUT THAT WILL REQUIRE, AS POINTED OUT, A NEW SURVEY.

SURE. OKAY.

FOR FUTURE NEXT STEPS.

WHAT DO YOU ENVISION US DOING NEXT TO DEAL WITH THIS AND TO RESOLVE IT? EVENTUALLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DRAFT MASTER PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE, THEN YOU WILL ENDORSE IT AND IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR US NOW IS SORT OF A CONSENSUS THAT THIS MAKES SENSE.

WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS IF YOU GUYS HAD MEIJER HEARTBURN WITH THEIR IDEA ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, NOW'S THE TIME TO HEAR IT.

OKAY? AND I'M NOT MAKING A JOKE.

I'M SERIOUS. I MEAN, LIKE THIS.

LIKE THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OPPOSITION.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A MAP.

IF YOU IF IF IF THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU ENVISION, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO.

NO, NO. MY QUESTION WAS MORE OF WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF WE DON'T RAISE OBJECTIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS THAT'S FINE.

I DO NOT NEED A FORMAL MOTION OF APPROVAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. OKAY.

TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER.

AND THAT IS, CAN WE DO A STRAW POLL TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG? BECAUSE I AGREE THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND DISCUSSED AND DISCUSSED, BUT IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

WELL, WOULD IT.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT.

YEAH, SURE. I'M HAPPY TO.

IT'S YOUR CALL.

IT WOULD BE PART OF THE MAP OF THE MAP ISN'T DONE YET? I THINK SO.

I THINK THAT THIS CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING A TIME THAT I WAS OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE.

I DON'T RECALL THE DECISION AND THE DENIAL.

AND I KNOW THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF US WHO WERE HERE AT THAT TIME.

WAS IT STRICTLY BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE AND IT JUST WASN'T ALLOWABLE? LIKE, I DON'T RECALL THE OBJECTIONS.

AND BEFORE I PROCEED TO SAY, I WILL ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I WAS HERE.

RIGHT. IS THAT OKAY? I KNOW YOU WERE HERE AS A JURY.

YEAH. MY RECOLLECTION WAS I DON'T THINK THAT THIS GROUP HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE LAND USE USE MAP PER SE. IT WAS THE DESIGN PRESENTED TO US WAS OVERCROWDED FOR THE AREA AND SOME OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS WERE PROBLEMATIC.

WHAT THE TOWNSHIP BOARD MIGHT HAVE DONE, I DON'T KNOW.

I YEAH, I WOULD SAY TOO, I RECALL SEVERAL NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS OBJECTING.

AGAIN, I THINK THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT BUS STOPS AND AND I'M TALKING SCHOOL BUS STOPS MORE THAN BUS STOPS AT THE TIME.

SO THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION OF IT.

IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF DENSITY OF THE DENSITY, CORRECT? YEAH. AND I GUESS I GUESS ADDED TO THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT TRIGGERED MY ONE COMMENT.

I MAYBE WITH THE FIRST OR SECOND TIME THAT THE CHURCH OFFICIALS CAME IN IS WE DON'T ADVERTISE THIS TO THE POINT UNLESS SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO BE WATCHING HOME TV AT A SPECIFIC TIME.

IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR.

AND THERE WERE THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION FROM NEIGHBORS, I BELIEVE.

BUT IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR ABOUT THIS, THEY REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT PROBABLY UNTIL THE NEXT ZONING REZONING REQUEST CAME

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WE MAY STILL GO AHEAD AND AND AND APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE.

BUT TO ME, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS IT HAPPENS IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE DENSITY AND THE NEIGHBORS AND DON'T AND AREN'T AWARE OF IT UNTIL THERE'S ANOTHER REZONING REQUEST AND THEY COME IN AND THEN THEY HEAR, WELL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED.

SO THIS IS YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO FAVOR THIS THING.

THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT IT.

THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION OF OF OF A MAP CHANGE LIKE.

THIS. I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS GOING TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED.

IF YOU WANT THE MAP CHANGES HANDLED, THAT'S ONE THING I HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST SINGLING OUT ONE SINGLE MAP CHANGE FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE WE DON'T WANT TO SET PRECEDENTS IN TERMS OF THEN WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO HAVING TO DO THAT EVERY TIME WE DO IT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN JUST WAS FOR WHOEVER SITTING HERE AND THE REZONING COMES BACK IN AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE WOULD HAVE SAID, WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS BEFOREHAND, AND I GUESS I CAN TAKE IT UPON MYSELF AND LET THEM KNOW IF I WANT TO.

BUT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN TERMS OF NOTICING PEOPLE OFFICIALLY, THAT'S A PRECEDENT WE MAY NOT WANT TO START.

IT'S JUST ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

COMMISSIONER SCALES, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE DOING NOTHING WITH IT THAT IS JUST SITTING HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BEGIN THE PROCESS.

LET'S GET THIS INTO THE PROCESS AND GET IT MOVING SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO COME AND ATTEND A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

BUT LET'S MOVE IT OFF THE DIME.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE THIS OFF THE DIME? EVERY EVERY MEETING I'VE BEEN AT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS PLANNING COMMISSION STARTED BACK IN JANUARY.

WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS AND IT'S GOING NOWHERE.

IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THOUGH, THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN APPROVE IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE NEW MAP.

LET ME CLARIFY.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR RESOLUTIONS OF APPROVAL.

THESE ARE FUTURE, THIS IS AN ONGOING FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

UPDATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

AND WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN BRINGING UP PIECES OF THAT UPDATE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW BEFORE BEFORE JANUARY.

THIS IS THE WE'RE AT A POINT WE'RE READY TO SHOW YOU THE LAND USE MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES IF YOU GUYS AREN'T GIVING, IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT GIVING ME, WE DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH IT.

AND THEN AND YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A DRAFT WITH THESE CHANGES MADE.

SO YOU WILL SEE THE UPDATED FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THESE CHANGES MADE.

IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THOSE CHANGES, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A STRAW POLL, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.

BUT I DO NOT NEED OR NOR REQUIRE A FORMAL MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MY PROCESS.

OKAY, MR. SHORKEY.

I'M SORRY. DID I WHAT LEVEL UP IS PROPOSED IN ORDER TO SATISFY THIS REQUEST? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR MEDIUM DENSITY OR..

THE DESIGNATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THE SAME DESIGNATION THAT SURROUNDS THEIR OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS THE IT IS SHOWN IN THE FUTURE.

LAND USE MAP IS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS IF WE MAKE THE CHANGE TO THE MAP THAT THE PETITIONERS ARE REQUESTING, WILL THAT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT JUST MORE OF THE SAME? THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD NOW IS A FOUR ACRE LAWN BECAUSE IT'S ONE PARCEL.

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SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS, THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME CHANGE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND PRETEND OTHERWISE.

WHAT THAT CHANGE WILL LOOK LIKE, I CAN'T TELL YOU.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A PROPOSAL.

I KNOW WHAT THEY WENT FOR BEFORE AND GOT DENIED FOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO COME OF THAT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, LIKE.

BUT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I GUESS.

YEAH, YOU ARE BY BY MAKING THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES AND INDEED THE THE SIX CHANGES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYING WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS NOT BEING AN INSTITUTIONAL FOUR ACRES, BUT A RESIDENTIAL FOUR ACRES IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A IN A DRAFT DOCUMENT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

THANK YOU. SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHORKEY? WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON.

YEAH, YOU DO HAVE ONE.

JUST ONE CLARIFICATION.

I THINK THE RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION WAS HOW DOES THIS MATCH THE SURROUNDING DENSITY? AND I BELIEVE MULTIFAMILY IS TO THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY, BUT CERTAINLY THE LOTS ON SENECA ARE NOT IN A MULTI. NO, NO.

AND I DON'T MEAN SHAKER AND I DON'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A ZONING MAP OR A CURRENT LAND USE MAP.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE MR DISTRICT ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU MAKE A VALID POINT.

YES. YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE HOUSES TO THE EAST OF THAT ROAD AND THEY'RE ALSO LIKE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL.

NOT THAT I MY MY ONLY MY QUESTION IS THE.

FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE OUR DECISION TO SAY, YEAH, GO AHEAD WITH THIS IN THE THE MASTER PLAN OR NOT IS WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND OUR DECISION TO DO THAT? YOU ARE THE BODY THAT IS DESIGNATED BY MICHIGAN PLANNING LAW TO WRITE THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS THE IS LOOKING AT AND UPDATING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH THIS IS RIGHT? OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT THAT IS THE ROLE THAT YOU ARE PLAYING RIGHT NOW.

I'M ASKING. SO WE'RE BRINGING THESE CHANGES TO YOU AND AND ASKING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THESE CHANGES? IF YOU ARE, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PHASE OF THE UPDATE.

EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND I SAY EVENTUALLY, I MEAN LIKE IN THE NEXT MONTH, LIKE IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 MONTHS, I ANTICIPATE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DRAFT DOCUMENT.

EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU.

IF THEN IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THAT WILL TRIGGER ANOTHER PROCESS WHERE IT GOES OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND AND IT ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE BOARD FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL.

RIGHT. SO YOU ARE WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAKE CHANGES.

YEAH. OKAY. AND I GUESS I'LL POINT OUT YOU ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE SIX CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MAP AND SAYING, WOW, THIS AREA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE X.

YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION ARE FREE.

YOU KNOW, I WELCOME BRINGING THAT UP AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.

OF COURSE, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE MAP DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE ULTIMATELY APPROVING WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT.

THE PROJECT THAT THEY INTEND TO PUT ON THAT LAND, THEY STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE ULTIMATE PROJECT.

ONCE IT ONCE THE LAND USE MAP IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

YOU STILL ARE LOOKING AT THE REZONING.

YOU ARE STILL LOOKING IF THEY GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, IF THEY PROPOSE A DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES THAT YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT, AT THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW.

YES, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LEVELS OF.

SO IF THEY COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN FOR 67 MUD HUTS, WE CAN STILL SAY, NO, WE'RE JUST NOT.

THIS IS CORRECT. OKAY.

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THAT HELPED CLARIFY THINGS.

OKAY. WE ARE BASICALLY.

LIKE I LIKE. SO WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THESE THINGS AND THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO REVIEW.

AND THEY HAVE PUT THE FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH GROUP HAS PUT TOGETHER THIS CONSISTENT PACKAGE OF WHICH THEY'RE TRYING TO ARGUE THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING TO INCLUDE IN THE MASTER PLAN.

UPDATE THAT HAS BEEN WHAT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT FITS WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, LIKE THE LARGER STRATEGIC VISION OF THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO BASICALLY.

CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY.

THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER.

OKAY. THE NEXT MAP I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS OUT HERE.

NOW, HERE'S SOME CONTENT IS OUT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE TOWNSHIP AND A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.

THIS IS COPPER CREEK ONE AND TWO.

COPPER CREEK THREE AND FOUR IS GOING IS IMMINENT.

THIS IS COPPER CREEK BEYOND IT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN ON OUR MAP IS AN R ONE WHICH SUPPORTS THE CURRENT RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

THIS IS THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE LANDOWNER.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF COPPER CREEK SO THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CAN CONTINUE.

I WILL NOTE THAT THIS PIECE IS INSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, BUT IN MAKING THIS CHANGE THEY COULD MAKE, THEY COULD THEY COULD CHANGE THE ZONING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF COPPER CREEK.

AND THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WOULD FOLLOW OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER.

IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES BOUNDARY? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THIS MAP.

I'D HAVE TO EITHER GET THAT TO YOU OR HERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME A MOMENT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME? WHAT'S HIS LAST? THAT'S THE YOUNG BLACK GUY.

WHICH ONE IS THIS ONE? YEAH. HERE'S THE.

OH, NICE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. LIKE YOU SEE? LIKE HERE. HERE IS WHAT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY LOOKS LIKE IN THAT AREA.

THIS IS THE PIECE IN QUESTION.

SO THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY ISN'T TO GO BACK HERE.

BACK HERE. THESE PIECES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY SHOWN AS R1 ON OUR ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

RIGHT. THOSE ARE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY.

AND THEN ALL OF THIS THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, THIS PIECE TO THE NORTH, THAT'S ALL INSIDE AND THEN TO THE SOUTH.

NONE ALL OF THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY.

AND INDEED, IT'S SHOWN AT A LESSER DENSITY.

SO EVERYTHING IN THAT CORNER SOUTH OF HASLETT ROAD IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY, AT LEAST ADJACENT TO THAT ADJACENT TO THE THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER SUPPLY.

SO WATER AND SEWER, BUT NOT SO WE HAVE A CONVOLUTED SEWER LINE RUNNING OVER THERE.

SO IT'S NOT UP THERE AT THE MOMENT.

IT IS IN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ENGINEERING HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAVE THEY GOT, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THAT UP THERE? BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS OR ANYTHING? NO, NO. ENGINEERING DRAWINGS HAVE BEEN MADE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT GOING BACK TO THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY LINE, WAS THAT CHANGED TO INCORPORATE THIS THIS PIECE OR WAS THAT ALWAYS THERE? HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN DRAWN THAT WAY OR HAD IT BEEN CHANGED AT SOME POINT? I BELIEVE I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, YOU THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.

BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS DRAWN THAT WAY.

IT WAS NOT ADMINISTRATIVELY BROUGHT IN AFTER THE FACT.

IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED SINCE 2017 OR 18, WHEN THE LAST MASTER PLAN WAS DONE.

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OKAY. RIGHT. I DON'T RECALL DOING THAT.

THANK YOU. DO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, RIGHT, THAT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WERE BOTH ADOPTED SIMULTANEOUSLY, RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD.

THEY WERE BOTH IN THE SAME MASTER PLAN WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED.

YES. SO THE LAST TIME AROUND THE BOUNDARY BOUNDARY PREDATES THE LAST MASTER PLAN, THE DIS.

I DON'T. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE HAVE A SOLID APPROVAL OF IT.

IT WAS A IT WAS APPROVED.

THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY WAS APPROVED NO LATER THAN 2017.

I KNOW THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY TO THAT.

WHETHER IT WAS APPROVED OR NOT, I YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.

IT WAS BACK IN THE 90S, BUT IT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN.

THERE'S DISCUSSION OF AN URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY IN THE 2005 MASTER PLAN, BUT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE 2005 MASTER PLAN.

OKAY, I KNOW IT WAS NOT DECIDED IN 2016, SO IT HAD TO COME AFTER 2016.

I LEFT THE BOARD IN DECEMBER OF 2016 AND IT WAS NOT COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.

RIGHT. THE LAST THE LAST MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 20 1717, CORRECT.

I CAN REMEMBER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY PROBABLY TEN YEARS AGO, IF NOT LONGER, AND I THOUGHT THEY ADOPTED ONE THEN IT MAY NOT BE THIS EXACT FORMAT THAT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2017.

I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT THE LAST TIME WHEN THIS MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED, IT WAS ADOPTED WITH A URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY THAT SURROUNDED THE LOWER RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.

SO THAT WAS A CHOICE THAT WAS MADE IN OKAY, YOU'RE INSIDE THE BOUNDARY, BUT IT'S A LOWER FUTURE LAND USE EXPECTATION.

AT THE TIME IT WAS ADOPTED.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY A MAP CHANGE WAS NOT MADE WHEN THE BOUNDARY WAS DRAWN AROUND THIS PARCEL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE OF MY HISTORICAL QUESTIONS.

OF COURSE. OF COURSE.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.

I'M JUST LOOKING ON THE. SO THIS IS A VACANT, VACANT LAND.

MAYBE I'M GETTING AHEAD OF.

THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY.

IS THERE WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR LAND? SO IF IT FOLLOWS COPPER CREEK, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT WOULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.

I WILL TELL YOU, HAVING DONE SOME ANALYSIS OF THIS PROPERTY, THERE ARE WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESPECT AND WORK AROUND WHEN WE'VE THAT'S THE KIND OF WORK WE'VE LOOKED AT.

THE QUESTION I GOT FROM ENGINEERING WAS THAT THIS PARCEL DEVELOPS HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS CAN WE EXPECT WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WETLANDS AND THE BUFFERS THAT WERE REQUIRED AROUND THAT? WE HAVE THE SEWER CAPACITY.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT A SITE PLAN STAGE.

RIGHT. BUT THAT THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS.

COPPER CREEK WAS ADOPTED AS WAS APPROVED AS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WOULD CONTINUE.

SO IS THAT SERIES OF HOUSES OR APARTMENTS OR THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

GOT IT. YEAH. YEAH.

THIS IS THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX DICTATES WHAT THOSE ARE.

OKAY. IT'S A WHOLE LOT.

THANK YOU OF COURSE FOR THE THERE'S.

THIS LITTLE SECTION OR SLIVER THAT'S YELLOW VERSUS ORANGE.

THAT IS, IF YOU SEE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TICKY TACKING MY POLYGON, THAT IS BECAUSE I HAVE DRAWN A POLYGON ON TOP OF THE MAP.

NO, NO, NO. KNOW. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT. I'M NOT CRITIQUING YOUR POLYGON.

OKAY. I MEAN, LIKE, THERE'S SO WHERE THE COPPER CREEK ENTRANCE IS UP THERE.

SO THAT YELLOW SLOT RIGHT THERE IS.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THE.

SO IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND I'D BE LIKE, WHY IS THAT STILL YELLOW? SO I'D JUST BE CONSISTENT.

NO, THAT'S A AND THEN THE SECOND COMMENT ON THAT IS THE TO THE LEFT OR I SHOULDN'T SAY LEFT TO THE SOUTH, WEST OF THAT WHERE THE CANOGA PURPLE BOXES ARE.

AND THERE'S ALSO A RIGHT IN HERE.

YEAH. SO THEN THERE'S ALSO A MIXTURE OF YELLOW RIGHT THERE.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS IF THAT ORANGE BOX IS JUST SORT OF AN ISLAND OR IF IT'S AND THAT ORANGE BOX IS THAT

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, BUT THAT IS YOU.

I'M OPEN.

THAT'S OUT ON HASLETT ROAD.

YEAH. STRAWBERRY.

THANK YOU. STRAWBERRY FARMS. OH. ANYWAY, SO I.

I GUESS MY COMMENT IS IF WE WERE GOING TO ADJUST THIS SPECIFIC SPOT, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADJUST THESE OTHER ONES IF THAT MADE STRATEGIC SENSE BASED ON WHAT OUR OUR MASTER PLANNING GOALS ARE.

THAT'S RIGHT. HERE.

YEAH. THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD CATCH.

THANK YOU. YOU MAKE A REALLY GOOD POINT.

IT NOT THAT IT IS NECESSARY AT THIS POINT, BUT IT BRINGS PHASE ONE OF COPPER CREEK INTO CONFORMANCE, IF YOU WILL.

RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, THERE'S BEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S IT'S DIFFERENT ZONES.

OKAY. AND THAT THAT ABERRATION THAT HE POINTED OUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

IT'S ALL IN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

AND THE POINT WHAT, WHAT WHAT WHAT THE WHAT HE'S POINTING OUT IS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED IN AS TO ITS POTENTIAL ANYWAY.

BUT FOR, FOR FOR MAP CONSISTENCY SAKE.

IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD CATCH.

YEAH. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

OKAY. ABOUT THIS MAP IN RELATION TO THE WETLANDS.

SO AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS AND WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OR IDEAS ABOUT THESE BOXES, LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE WETLAND IS IN THIS AREA OR EVEN HOW IT PLAYS INTO OUR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

AND SO BY US, MY QUESTION IS BY US MAKING A DECISION TO CHANGE THIS DESIGNATION.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO ASSESS THE IMPACTS OF THAT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AT THIS POINT? WHETHER YOU ZONE IT RURAL, RESIDENTIAL OR YOUR HIGHEST MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION, THE WETLANDS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY ARE REGULATED AND HAVE 40 FOOT NON BUILDABLE BUFFERS AROUND THEM.

NOT NOTHING YOU ZONE THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.

OKAY. IN LOOKING AT THE BUILD OUT POTENTIAL OF THIS PROPERTY BASED ON WHAT IT'S ALREADY ZONED AND WHAT ITS WHAT IF, IF IT WAS ZONED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH COPPER CREEK ONE AND TWO AND THREE AND FOUR.

UM, THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO WORK AROUND THE WETLANDS AND THE ASSOCIATED BUFFERS.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

I CAN BRING A MAP, I CAN BRING THE PARCEL VIEWER UP AND SHOW YOU AN APPROXIMATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS PARCEL IF YOU WANT TO SEE.

BUT I DON'T.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO THE WETLANDS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE NO MATTER REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT YEAH, IT DOES.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT.

THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GO AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT.

I'M GOOD FOR NOW. OKAY.

THE NEXT MAP, CHANGE IS OUT.

THIS IS. THIS IS OUT IN THE COUNTY.

OUT FURTHER IN THE COUNTY.

THIS IS CALLED THE RAINES PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS A THIS IS JUST A THIS IS A MAP CHANGE THAT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE MADE.

THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PARCEL THAT'S SHOWN.

AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS PARKS.

WE JUST ARE LOOKING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE PARCELS TO THE WEST AND MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL LIKE IT IS.

IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO IT ALREADY HAS A HOUSE ON IT.

YEAH. OR AT LEAST IT'S ALREADY IT'S RESIDENTIALLY INTENDED.

I HAVEN'T, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'VE BEEN OUT THERE.

I HAVE, I HAVE. OKAY.

IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIND IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO GET THERE.

BUT IT IS, IT IS NOT A PARK LIKE THE ALL THE STUFF AROUND.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE WHOLE AREA BEING ZONED FOR FOR A PARK BECAUSE IT'S THERE AREN'T A LOT OF HOUSES UP THERE BUT THERE ARE SOME. I FORGET WHERE IT'S OUT THIS WAY.

YES. YES. IT'S OUT ON TOWNER ROAD.

IT'S NOT TOWNER.

IT'S ON TOWER ROAD.

YEAH, IT'S OUT.

IT'S UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER UP HERE.

YEP. THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BUT IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE.

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OKAY. THE NEXT CHANGE, THIS IS THE DRIVING RANGE ON GRAND RIVER AVENUE.

UM, WE SHOW IT'S IT'S BEING, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL IT'S SHOWN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THEY HAVE COME IN AND TALKED TO US A COUPLE TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT WHAT CAN THEY DO LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A COMMERCIAL.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THAT COMMERCIALLY.

AND THE DRIVING RANGE OWNERS, THE DRIVING RANGE OWNERS HAVE COME IN AND ASKED HAVE TALKED TO US ABOUT THAT.

YES, BUT IT'S 52.

WHEN THEY SAY COMMERCIAL, I MEAN MEANING LIKE GET RID OF THE DRIVING RANGE AND BUILD SOMETHING ON THE.

OH YEAH. OH, YEAH.

THEY WANT TO MOVE ON FROM THE DRIVING RANGE.

THEY FACE HURDLES THAT HAVE KEPT THEM FROM DOING THAT.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THEY'D HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY WHICH DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT HURDLE TO GET OVER, CLEARLY.

YEAH. OKAY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE SEWER OUT THERE.

THERE IS A FORCE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE ANOTHER ISSUE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY FACING.

NOT THAT IT WOULD BE THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE.

OH, IT'S OUTSIDE. IT'S OUTSIDE.

YEAH. SO THE BOUNDARY GOES THIS WAY, GOES AROUND THE DRIVING RANGE, COMES DOWN GRAND RIVER AVENUE AND THEN EXCLUDES IT.

MR PUTT PUTT GOLF COURSE.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ON THE LAST ONE.

JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU HAD SAID THAT SEVERAL OF THESE WERE REQUESTED.

BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEVERAL WAS THAT ONE THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER? YEAH. YEAH, IT IS.

LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME IN AND MET WITH US AND TALKED ABOUT HOW CAN THEY GO ABOUT DOING THIS.

IT MAY GO THROUGH AS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF A THING.

IT I CAN'T I CAN'T TALK SPECIFICS.

THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS, I'M JUST TELLING YOU.

BUT A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION WOULD LET THEM GO UP THAT ROUTE WHERE A RURAL RESIDENTIAL DOES NOT.

THANK YOU. SO FOR THE GOLF COURSE OR THE DRIVING GOLF COURSE DRIVING RANGE, THAT WOULD WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY CHANGE ALONGSIDE THE ZONING CHANGE? IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UTILITIES ONTO THAT PROPERTY.

YES. WHEN WHEN THOSE SORTS OF CHANGES HAPPEN, IS THERE ANY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FRAME THIS POLITICALLY.

HOW DO YOU CAN THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY BASICALLY BE INCENTIVIZED TO RUN THOSE LINES OUT THERE LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE SERVICE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE THAT WAY? UM, NO, I GUESS I COULD ADD AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU CANNOT REQUIRE OFFSITE IN MICHIGAN, YOU CANNOT REQUIRE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO A PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. OTHER STATES THAT CAN REQUIRE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY IN A SEWER LINE IS SO FAR DOWN YOU CAN'T REQUIRE IT.

BUT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO RUN ALL THE LINES ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.

ONCE WE GET IT, GIVE YOU THE ACCESS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HOOK UP TO IT, RUN IT TO WHERE YOU NEED IT.

SO IT'S ON SITE IS YOUR IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. IT'S THE BUSINESS'S RESPONSIBILITY.

YEAH, CORRECT.

AND FRANKLY, YOU IT DOESN'T RUN ON NORTH SIDE.

BUT YOU I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS.

I SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT.

BUT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY DOES RUN ALL THE WAY ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF GRAND RIVER AVENUE.

SEE, IT'S AN INTERESTING CURVE OUT THERE.

YEAH. NOW, I'LL BET YOU THE DRIVING.

THIS NEXT ONE IS.

I'M SORRY, AM I GETTING AHEAD OF YOU? NO, I WAS JUST SPECULATING THAT.

THAT THE DRIVING RANGE PROBABLY PREDATED THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

OH, SURE. BECAUSE IT WASN'T USING UTILITIES.

THEY JUST DIDN'T PUT THEM IN.

CORRECT. PHILOSOPHICALLY, IT SEEMS STRANGE TO HAVE A LAND USE THAT'S

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ANY. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SHOULD.

THEY SHOULD MATCH IF THAT'S.

BUT MAYBE THAT'S A NEW MODEL FOR AT LEAST ENVISIONING FUTURE LAND USE THAT'S COMMERCIAL.

BUT IS SOMEHOW I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO EXTEND SEWER TO? DIRECTOR SCHMITT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION A COUPLE OF TIMES TALKING ABOUT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

WE HAVE NOT REACHED THE POINT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY PRESENTED A FORMAL PROPOSED MAP TO YOU, BUT HE HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT RECOMMENDING THAT THIS LINE END AT SOME POINT.

THE QUESTION OF WHERE THAT LINE IS STRAIGHTENED IS UP FOR DEBATE.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, IT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT IT BUT HE HAS MADE THE POINT AND I'M NOT AND HE'S YOU KNOW IN THIS THAT THIS BODY IT IT IT INCLUDES SOME PARCELS AND NOT OTHERS AND MAKES THIS JAGGED LINE THAT WHEN YOU GOT A DEVELOPER IN YOUR OFFICE SAYING WHY IS IT OKAY TO THE NORTH OR THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH, BUT NOT ME AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND ME.

THAT'S A HARD CONVERSATION TO HAVE AND THAT'S THE POINT HE'S BEEN MAKING ALL ALONG, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A THERE SHOULD BE A CONSISTENCY.

WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NOT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE.

BUT BUT I WOULD AGREE PHILOSOPHICALLY WITH COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF RUNNING SERVICES, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF EXPANDING THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF LETTING THEM DO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON GRAND RIVER AVENUE.

YEAH. YEAH.

NOW, THE ONE QUESTION I'VE GOT THOUGH, IS IF WE APPROVE A MODIFICATION OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY TO FILL IN THAT GAP, ARE WE MANDATING THAT THE, THAT THE UTILITIES BE BROUGHT UP TO PAR IN THAT AREA? YOU'RE NOT MANDATING THEM.

YOU'RE KIND OF ENABLING THEM.

OKAY. SO BY DOING THAT, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY HITTING THE TOWNSHIP WITH A WITH A BILL THAT DIDN'T SEE COMING.

NO, NO.

BIERI YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF HERE.

BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMPLICATES THIS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET INTO ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY IS THAT SOME OF THE LAND THAT IS THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED IS UNDEVELOPABLE BECAUSE IT'S LOWLAND WETLANDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND UNTIL YOU SEE THE MAP PROBABLY OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BUILDABLE VERSUS WHAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET BUILT, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S LOOKING AT THIS MAP DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE PICTURE.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A POINT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THERE'S THERE'S SOME OF THIS LAND THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT IF YOU STRAIGHTEN THE LINE OUT, PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO GET DEVELOPED ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE IT'S LOW LAND.

AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE'LL SEE MORE AND PROBABLY IN THAT DISCUSSION THAT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, WE'LL SEE THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE THE POTENTIAL IS IN TERMS OF WHY IT ISN'T DEVELOPED OR HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OR NOT DEVELOPED.

WE'LL GET INTO THAT AT THE TIME THAT WE LOOK AT THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT COMMERCIAL PROJECTS PROPOSED ALONG THAT STRETCH OF ROAD TO COME TO MIND, ONE WAS THE SORT OF A SHOPPING MALL WITH SOME DRIVE THROUGH AND ANOTHER WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP.

AND I KNOW BOTH OF THOSE.

IT WAS AN AWFUL LOT OF DISCUSSION.

AND SO I'M JUST SORT OF USING THOSE AS MY MENTAL EXAMPLE OF THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ALONG THAT STRETCH.

AND I REMEMBER PEOPLE HAVING STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT HAVING A CAR DEALERSHIP.

THE DEALERSHIP WAS FURTHER WEST, I'M JUST POINTING OUT, AND THAT WAS NOT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS.

THAT WAS NOT PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.

THERE'S ANOTHER MAP ANOMALY HERE.

IF THIS WAS CHANGED TO BE COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD BE THAT ONE SLIVER BETWEEN POWELL ROAD AND THE GOLF COURSE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A HOME ON THERE OR NOT AT THIS POINT.

THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. BECAUSE

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I WILL SAY IT'S NOT OWNED.

IT'S NOT PART OF THE SAME OWNERSHIP.

SO YEAH, THERE'S WE SHOW A BUILDING THERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OH, GEEZ. YEAH, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WHEN I'M ON MY COMPUTER.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON POWELL ROAD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE.

HERE, I CAN SHOW YOU MORE CLEARLY.

THERE? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, SO IT'S OKAY.

AND THEN WHAT? I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAND RIVER PIECE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S.

I THOUGHT THAT WHEN THEY TORE DOWN, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.

YEAH, IT'S GONE.

YEAH. YEAH, SOME OF IT'S GOING TO BE.

YEAH, THERE'S. THERE'S BEEN SOME DEMOLITION IN IN THERE, BUT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CAR DEALERSHIP IN THERE AT ONE POINT.

TWO CHRYSLER DEALERSHIP.

RIGHT. BUT THERE IS NOT NOW.

I KNOW, BUT THEY TORE DOWN A COUPLE OF HOUSES AND I THOUGHT THEY GOT ALL OF THEM.

BUT MAYBE THERE'S ONE LEFT.

WHAT'S THE TO SPEAK OUT BUT THE NOT TOO FAR FROM THE DRIVING RANGE.

AND I HAVE A CONNECTION FOR THIS, BUT OKAY.

THEY WIPED OUT A LOT OF THE WIPED OUT A LOT OF THE LAND.

AND BEHIND THERE IS A SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEING BUILT AND IT'S KIND OF NEXT DOOR TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE TO MSU.

OKAY. YEAH.

SO WHAT IS THAT? WHERE AM I? RIGHT THERE. OH, IN.

RIGHT IN. WERE THEY? YEAH. THEY WIPED OUT ALL THE TREES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

OH, THIS PIECE HERE CLEARED IT ALL OUT.

YEAH. THAT WAS GOING TO BE A THAT WAS WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CAR DEALERSHIP BEFORE I STARTED HERE.

IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY BACKED OUT.

BUT IS THAT STILL COMMERCIAL ZONE? COMMERCIALLY, COMMERCIALLY ZONED.

YES, THAT IS THAT IS KEY TO AS IS THIS ALL OF THIS IN HERE.

SO TO GO BACK TO THE MAP OUTSIDE INSIDE THE UTILITY AREA, PERHAPS THIS PIECE SHOULD BE INCLUDED, TOO, SINCE IT'S ALREADY ZONED C2. OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S THAT SLIVER IS CONNECTED, RIGHT? NO, THAT YELLOW PIECE HERE.

THAT PIECE IS RIGHT HERE.

HERE. OKAY.

DIFFERENT. IT'S DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP THAN THE DRIVING RANGE, BUT IT'S.

BUT IT'S. YEAH, IT'S.

YEAH, YEAH.

WE CAN DO THAT. TO FURTHER MY COMMENT ON WHETHER THERE'S A SOMEWHAT OF A WELL IF A PRECEDENT IS BEING SET WHERE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL I MEAN I GET IT THE DRIVING RANGE IS SORT OF COMMERCIAL ANYWAY IN TERMS OF IT'S A BUSINESS, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THE TREND FOR GRAND RIVER ON THAT.

SO IT'S YOU GOT THE LIKE THE ANIMAL. YEAH, YEAH.

YOU'VE GOT THAT HERE.

YOU GOT RURAL AREAS THERE THEN YOU GOT MORE COMMERCIAL.

I JUST WANTED THAT'S THE TREND.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE STUDY.

THIS IS ALL ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'D HAVE I WOULD, I THINK YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THAT ZONED UP COMMERCIALLY TO CONTINUE THAT UP GRAND RIVER AVENUE.

THIS PIECE HERE IS ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL USE PERMITS ALLOWED IN A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.

IT'S A IT'S AN ANIMAL, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT A.

OH, YES, IT IS. THAT'S SAINT MARTHA'S WORTH A DOGGY DAYCARE.

THAT'S FURTHER DOWN. THE DAYCARE IS.

YEAH, THE DAYCARE IS WEST.

OH YEAH. YEAH. I'M SORRY.

IT'S RIGHT OFF OF CORNELL.

I'M NOT. I AM NOT PROPOSING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

CHANGE ON THE DOGGY DAYCARE.

IT'S THE CORNER OF CORNELL AND GRAND.

YEAH, THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

EXACTLY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT'S A THIS SETTING, THE STANDARD PRECEDENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

BUT ANYWAY, I WAS JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.

I'LL SAY THIS. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT OF IT ANYWAY.

WELL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

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SO IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS COMMERCIAL.

SINCE 2017, THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HASN'T HAPPENED AND THEY'RE STILL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO WITH IT? THAT'S WHY I'VE WAITED IT OUT.

NO, THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF GRAND OR LANSING.

SO I THINK IT WAS IT AND NEVER BEEN BUILT.

BUT IS THAT THE ONE? NO. IS IT LAKE LANSING? M-78 THAT HAS THE CVS OR RITE AID RIGHT THERE? IT'S GOT A RITE AID. YEAH.

ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER.

YEAH. YES. YEAH.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S.

THAT'S THE COSTCO.

YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT IS THE.

OKAY, SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT'S THE WALL. THAT'S THE THE DRUGSTORE OR IS IT ON PARK LAKE.

NO IT'S ON LAKE LANSING. LAKE LANSING, RIGHT.

IS THAT COOL? YEAH, IT IS A RITE AID.

THAT'S PARK LAKE RUNS INTO COSTCO ON THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THIS IS THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I THINK YOU WENT TOO FAR.

I THINK I DID GO EAST.

I ONLY GO TO COSTCO, LIKE, TWICE OR THREE TIMES A WEEK.

NO, COSTCO. GO SOUTHEAST.

YEAH. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. OKAY. YEAH.

GOT IT. UM, THAT.

HELLO, ERIC. OLD PHOTO.

OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE'S COSTCO.

THERE'S THE DRUG STORE.

THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S SOUTH OF.

SOUTH OF LAKE LANSING ROAD.

YEAH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT IN HERE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, ZONED PROPERTY THAT HAS NOT ZONED COMMERCIALLY TO MOVE UP TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2017.

THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING YOU IS, DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT OR DO YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT HASN'T DEVELOPED AND CHANGE IT TO A TO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A DENSER RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN KIND OF CONFORMS OR DO YOU WANT TO THERE'S A BUILT UP HOUSING SUBDIVISION ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE EAST OF THERE.

ISN'T THAT. YEAH.

ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS IN HERE AND THEN KITTY CORNER, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.

THAT FIRST ONE WAS SLEEPY HOLLOW OVER THERE IF I BELIEVE.

YEAH. CORRECT.

AND THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

SEVEN YEARS AGO THERE WAS A PROPOSED CONDOMINIUM TO BE BUILT IN THERE AND IT WAS NEVER BUILT.

I REMEMBER. I KNOW WHOSE PROPERTY THAT IS.

I REMEMBER THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS NEVER BUILT.

THIS GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE CHURCH.

CROSSROADS. SO WHAT IS THE QUESTION BEFORE US ON THIS? WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT IT? DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT? DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT? AND IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT WITH THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? THAT'S OUR THAT'S PROBABLY OUR LAST AREA OF DEVELOPMENT GOING DOWN THAT SAGINAW CORRIDOR.

OH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH. AND I WOULD BE PREPARED FOR THAT.

I WOULD GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN FOCUS.

I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO BUILD A HOUSING SUBDIVISION ALONG A MAJOR HIGHWAY LIKE THAT.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD STILL TAKE APARTMENTS.

I BELIEVE THOSE GOING UP TO THE LEFT THERE, RIGHT.

THEY DID SORT OF A LOOPING THING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE MUCH FRONTAGE.

IT'S JUST THE ONE ENTRANCE, RIGHT? THE GRAY BEAR TRAIL.

AND POTENTIALLY YOU COULD TRY TO SQUEEZE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY ON THE HIGHWAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE HOUSES ARE SPITTING DISTANCE.

AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THAT IS A IS A CHURCH.

YEAH. YEAH.

AND HOW DOES THAT SHOW IN THE FUTURE? LAND USE. SO IT'S INSTITUTIONAL.

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THAT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL PROBABLY IS MORE LIKELY COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE OR SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL.

I AGREE. I THINK I'D LEAVE IT.

OKAY. IF YOU SAID THIS, I'M SORRY.

I WAS STARING AT THE MAP AND I GOT A LITTLE FOCUSED.

THE OWNERS OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, ARE THEY BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM GET INTO THAT SAME SITUATION WHERE THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY, WITH A RESIDENTIAL USE AND BE UNABLE TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING CURRENTLY.

I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT ZONED, BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE, THEY ARE STILL ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL, SO THEY'RE IN CONFORMANCE.

SO THIS IS THEY'RE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING.

BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE HAD THAT AS COMMERCIAL.

AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT AS COMMERCIAL OR DO WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL? AND PUT IT BACK TO WHAT I'M GENERALLY HEARING IS THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT IN THE COMING YEARS, IF THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPS, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN AT LEAST A LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SCALES.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.

NEXT 20 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON DIAGONAL HIGHWAY AND IT'S COMING FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS.

IT JUST IS. WELL, COSTCO IS A HALF A MILE FROM THERE, AND IT'S A MAGNET.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT NEWTON POINT GOING IN, AND THEN ON NORTH END, YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN BATH TOWNSHIP.

IT'S YEAH, THERE'S A FEW THINGS GOING ON.

AND THEN AND THEN WEST OF COSTCO IS A ANOTHER DISPENSARY GOING IN.

IN FACT YOU'VE GOT DISPENSARIES ON BOTH ENDS NOW AND NEITHER ONE'S OURS.

I JUST POINT THAT OUT ANYWAY.

YEAH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION AND HOPE I DON'T GET A BRICK IN THE SIDE OF THE HEAD HERE.

WE TALKED WAY BACK IN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

SOMETHING I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT.

IF WE REALLY WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE POSSIBILITIES, WE COULD THINK OF THAT AS AN AREA OF POTENTIAL POTENTIAL INTENSITY CHANGE. SO THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN HAS THE THREE PIECES THAT ARE THE DOWNTOWN CORES BUT IS EXPECTING SOME KIND OF HOPEFULLY MIXED USE, BUT IT'S KIND OF INVITING INNOVATIVE PLANS.

SO VARIATION ON THE THEME, IF YOU WILL.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO PROPOSE FOR PCAS THIS TIME BECAUSE WE HEARD YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT WANTING TO INCLUDE MERIDIAN MALL AND GET IN FRONT OF ANY POTENTIAL CHANGE THERE.

SAGINAW HIGHWAY BEING LONG AND LINEAR WOULD LEND ITSELF TO A CORRIDOR STUDY.

SAME, SAME KIND OF IDEA YOU'RE LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF A INSTEAD OF AN AREA, THOUGH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CORRIDOR AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN? I WILL POINT OUT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AROUND MDOT'S RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET DEVELOPMENT RIGHT UP ON SAGINAW HIGHWAY.

BUT IT'S WORTH IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

AND I THINK I THINK WE CAN INCLUDE THAT AS AN OBJECTIVE, AS A AS A OBJECTIVE.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE GOALS IN THE EXISTING MASTER PLAN IS ALSO TO TRY TO REDUCE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES LIKE THAT AND TRY TO COMBINE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE INTO ONE ENTRY EXIT. SO THE I'M JUST SEARCHING FOR THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE MASTER PLAN TO ENVISION THAT.

BUT I THINK A BROADER LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR ME JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SPEND MUCH TIME IN THAT PART OF THE TOWNSHIP AND DON'T UNDERSTAND IT VERY WELL.

SO. SURE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. HERE'S THE LAST ONE.

CAN I JUST COMMENT ON.

I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.

SO I TOTALLY AGREE.

AND IT'S A MAJOR ARTERY IN INTO THE TOWNSHIP IN WHICH IF IF BOTH ON BOTH ENDS OF THAT CORRIDOR, LIKE DISPENSARIES ARE BEING SET UP OR OTHER BUSINESSES ARE SETTING UP IN THOSE AREAS, THEN IT'S BASICALLY SIPHONING OFF POTENTIAL TAX DOLLARS FROM THE TOWNSHIP TO THESE OTHER PLACES. AND THAT WE AND THIS IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR INTO MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

AND SO THEY'RE DEVELOPING BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA WOULD BE, I WOULD THINK, BENEFICIAL FOR THE TAX BASE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT THE SAGINAW CORRIDOR.

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SO FUTURE LAND USE CANNABIS.

I MEAN, I'M JUST I AM NOT PUBLICLY GOING ON THE RECORD SAYING.

BECAUSE I'M HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE SLEEPING BECAUSE OF MY.

THE LAST ONE I'M SHOWING YOU IS OUT ON HAGADORN ROAD.

THIS IS A CHURCH PROPERTY.

UM, CAN WE PUT THERE WAS A THOUGHT IN 2017 THAT THE WAY TO GET THIS DEVELOPED WAS TO SHOW WAS TO SHOW IT IN THIS DENSER RESIDENTIAL. THIS DESERT, THIS DENSER RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.

THAT HAS NOT PROVED TO BE THE CASE.

I THERE'S SOME HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ARE FORMER WE HAD A FORMER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WHO THOUGHT THIS COULD DEVELOP AS OFFICES, THAT THIS WAS A WAY TO GET TO IT AND IT WAS NOT THE WAY TO GET TO THAT.

THIS IS IF THIS IS A PIECE THAT WE WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON IF THIS WAS TO CHANGE.

WHAT WOULD WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN TO IT TO SHOW YOU WHERE IT'S AT? IS THE CHURCH STILL THERE? YES. YEAH.

AND THEY AND AGAIN, WE'VE WE'VE REACHED WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY IDEAS FROM THEM.

BUT THREE YEARS AGO WE HAD AN IDEA FROM THEM AND ACTUALLY APPROVED AN IPOD FOR THEM.

OKAY. AND BUT IT HAD A TWO YEAR LIMITATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IT NEVER PROCEEDED.

SO IT'S UP.

THINK IT WAS MIXED? NO, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, IT'S A MULTIFAMILY.

YEAH. BUT I THINK IT WAS A YEAH, IT'S THESE PIECES IN HERE.

I'M GOING TO SHUT THAT.

THEY MOVED. OH, THERE WE GO.

SO THE BUILDING IS THERE, BUT IT'S NOT THERE.

YEAH. THIS IS WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.

THIS THE UNIVERSITY BAPTIST CHURCH OR CHURCHES AND PUT ALL THE CHURCHES IN THERE AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM.

IT'S ZONED PO.

SO WHICH IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

YEAH, I SEE THAT, ACTUALLY.

IS THIS. GO AHEAD.

WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THE PROPERTY OWNER STILL I MEAN, STILL MAINTAINS THE.

YEAH. YES. YES.

IT'S JUST NOT A SUBJECT, BUT IT'S JUST EMPTY.

OKAY. YEP. I WENT TO SOME I WENT TO A BOARD MEETING LAST FALL WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT A HOUSE DOWN HERE THAT WAS LIKE A HISTORICAL FARMHOUSE. IS THIS CHURCH NEXT TO A HISTORICAL FARM OR IS THAT A STREET OVER? THINK. I THINK THAT ONE'S FURTHER SOUTH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.

OKAY. THIS IS ME THINKING OF A DIFFERENT PLACE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

YEAH, THIS IS NORTH OF.

OH, WAIT, NO, IT WAS ON JOLLY AND.

OKAY, NEVER MIND. NEVER MIND. SORRY.

SORRY. SO THE PARKING LOT THERE, LIKE THE 4 OR 5, SEVEN, EIGHT LOT IS PART OF THAT AS WELL.

NO, FOR THAT P OH, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT.

THAT'S BEACON PLACE.

OH IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING I BELIEVE.

WELL YEAH, IT'S IT'S.

HOW COME I DON'T SEE.

I MEAN, THERE'S MULTIPLE.

SO THE HAGEDORN PLAZA'S DOWN THERE.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN SEVERAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THERE'S ALL THOSE OFFICES DOWN THERE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL DEMAND FOR LIKE MIXED USE.

RESIDENTIAL OR.

MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA AS THE HAGEDORN PLAZA AREA CONTINUES TO DO WELL.

THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF MOUNT HOPE, RIGHT? SO YOU GOT A LOT OF THE TO GO OFF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UNIVERSITY STUDENTS.

YEAH, RIGHT.

IN THAT SAME KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD TO NORTH OF MOUNT HOPE.

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THE ONLY ISSUE WITH I MEAN, HAGEDORN IS SO.

THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.

UH, YEAH, LIKE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA WOULD DO TO THAT.

THERE'S ALSO, LIKE, MOUNT HOPE AND AND GRAND RIVER ARE THE ONLY TWO POINTS TO TRAVEL ACROSS.

AND THEY'RE RIGHT.

ALL THIS IS THAT IS THE HANNAH PLAZA AND I'D.

YEAH. AND THEN HERE'S HERE'S THE RIVER TERRACE DRIVE WHERE YOU JUST HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN UP HERE IS GRAND RIVER AVENUE.

YEAH. AND THEN LOOKING TO THE SOUTH.

UM, YEAH, YOU GO QUITE A WAYS.

BENNETT ROAD.

UM, YEAH, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. IS MOUNT.

THAT'S MOUNT HOPE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.

WE CAN LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND COME UP WITH WE'LL IF WE IF WE IF WE MAKE A CHANGE, WE'LL POINT IT OUT.

YEAH. BILL HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU.

YEAH, IT'S MORE AN OVERALL KIND OF OBSERVATION.

IT SEEMS LIKE AN EXPECTATION OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS A BIT OF A DEATH KNELL.

UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO RELIEVE ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS MUCH AS THINK ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE BUILT IN OFFICE SPACE IN THIS TOWNSHIP IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS BECAUSE YEAH, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE GOT WAY MORE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY FILL, BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME.

SO ALTERNATE DESIGNATIONS THAT ENCOURAGE OTHER STUFF THAN STUFF THAT WE'RE PRETTY SURE IS NOT GOING TO GET BUILT.

THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS MIXED USE WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE COMMERCIAL.

BUT WHICH NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

SOMETHING THAT THAT GIVES SOME LEEWAY IN THIS DAY AND AGE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD THING.

IT WOULD ALSO TOTAL.

OH, SORRY, I JUMPED AHEAD.

YEAH, GO AHEAD. I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S ON SOME OF THESE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

FEEDBACK FROM US. I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT STAFF'S IDEAS MIGHT BE ON DESIGNATIONS FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES BASED ON YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AND NOT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH. OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO PERHAPS IF THEY HAVE A PULSE ON WHAT MARKETING OR WHAT WHAT THE INTEREST IS IN.

SO NOT NECESSARILY YOU GUYS, BUT COLLECTION OF ALL OF YOU.

WELL, I DON'T I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT COMING FORWARD WITH ANY ANY.

NONE OF THESE DRAFT MAPS ARE OPPOSED BY STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A RESOUNDING ENDORSEMENT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING ANGRY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LUTHERAN CHURCH BEHIND CLOSED DOORS SAYING WHAT A DUMB IDEA.

YOU KNOW, BRANT, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL ISSUE BEFORE US ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS STILL THERE.

IT'S STILL IN USE.

NO, IT'S NOT. OH, IT'S NOT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS. OH, I'M SORRY.

SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THE PROPERTY? OKAY. IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND TWO COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL POINT.

THAT'S NOT AN EASY SELL.

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES SENSE ON THAT CORRIDOR? OKAY, I. I WAS MIXED UP.

I THOUGHT THE CHURCH WAS STILL IN USE BASED ON THE WETLAND.

THE WAY THE WETLANDS CONNECTED.

IT COULD BE. I'M JUST OFFERING IDEAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.

YEAH, PLEASE. SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF IT WAS A PARK OR SOME SORT OF TRAIL THAT CUT FROM HAGEDORN.

SO, BUT ANYWAYS, JUST WITH THE WETLANDS, LIKE THERE COULD BE LIKE A WALK WALKING TRAIL.

THIS IS THIS IS NOT A WETLAND LAYER.

IT'S JUST KIND OF WOODLAND SPACE.

IF THERE WERE ANY WETLANDS, I'D TURN THEM ON.

THEY WOULD APPEAR.

CAN YOU TURN IT OFF? YEAH, I CAN.

I CAN'T. I CANNOT TURN THAT OFF.

IT'S PART OF THE BASE LAYER ON ON JUST THE PARCEL VIEWER.

LIKE, I CAN TURN OFF THE ZONING, I CAN TURN OFF THE PARCELS, BUT I CAN'T TURN OFF THAT COLORING.

WHAT I CAN DO IS TURN THE AERIAL PHOTO BACK ON AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S JUST KIND OF A WOODY AREA, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT A WETLAND.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, PARK MIGHT NOT BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, BUT IT IS A LEGITIMATE THING TO CONSIDER,

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I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN. I THINK IF I OWNED A CHURCH AND SOMEBODY TRIED TO TURN IT INTO A PARK, I'D WANT SOME COMPENSATION, YOU KNOW? UM, AND AGAIN, FIVE YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, WELL, RCC COULD YOU COULD BUILD APARTMENTS, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, STUDENT HOUSING.

BUT NOW HERE WE ARE WITH MORE STUDENT HOUSING THAN WE CAN FILL.

SO IS THAT ALSO A A LIKELY FUTURE USE? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I'M SAYING THAT WITH MUCH MORE ASSERTION THAN IT DESERVES.

MY SENSE, MY MY SENSE AND MY MY INFORMAL READING OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

BUT IT'S WORTH.

CONSIDERATION. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS ASKED FOR WHAT STAFF'S THOUGHT WAS.

AND LOOKING AT THIS, I'M.

I WANT TO OFFER THIS UP.

BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY.

WE DO HAVE A SHORTAGE WHEN WE GET WHEN OUR WHEN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR GETS A CALL FOR A YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT GO? IN OUR TOWNSHIP, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

HAGADORN ROAD.

IT'S ALREADY ZONED PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

IT MIGHT LEND ITSELF TO THAT KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT.

YES. I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE FROM EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

SO IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED? I MEAN, AS A AS A A HOLDING SOME SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COULD FIT IN THERE WITH GREEN SPACE AROUND IT AND WITH ENOUGH BUFFERS, WALKABLE ALL THE GOOD THINGS.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION.

YEAH. MY MY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS I WAS READING THROUGH THE PIECE IDEAS WAS WHAT DOES THE TOWNSHIP NEED IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS THAT WE CAN PRIORITIZE? SO FOR A SPOT LIKE THIS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE? I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TECH THING.

I WAS JUST AT THE THE VAN CAMP INCUBATOR AND RESEARCH LABS.

THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF WHOLE FOODS, WHICH IS A COOL DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT ADDS IN IT'S AN INTERESTING WAY TO ATTRACT LIKE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES.

OKAY, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.

YEAH. IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT PROPERTY TO FIND.

ANYTHING TO GO ON WITH THE CHURCH SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

YEAH. AND THAT MAKES IT EXPENSIVE.

KIND OF HARD TO REMODEL THOSE OR REPURPOSE THAT.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION.

IT WILL BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S THERE.

AND SO.

RIGHT. SO WE'LL START THERE.

NO, I WAS JUST I WAS JUST SILENTLY SAYING YES, LIKE AGREEING WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER TREZISE JUST SAID.

I HEARD A QUESTION SAY OF WHAT DOES THE TOWNSHIP NEED? I THINK THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RICHARDS THAT WE NEED SINGLE FAMILY, FAMILY HOUSING, BUT THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE EXPENSIVE HOUSES THAT ARE DOWNSIZING, THAT DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE TOWNSHIP, BUT STILL WANT TO REMAIN AMONG THEIR FRIENDS AND SOME OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE NEED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TO MOVE IN HERE TO SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS. WE STILL NEED A PLACE FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TO START AND GROW AND BACKFILL OUR SCHOOLS.

WE'VE GOT A WONDERFUL A COUPLE OF WONDERFUL SCHOOL SYSTEMS HERE THAT CONTINUE TO NEED MORE PUPILS TO KEEP THEM

[01:35:02]

I GOT THAT. OKAY.

IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE MASTER PLAN.

IT'S BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY ARE.

THE COLORS ARE AWFUL.

SEE, I WAS WONDERING WHO WAS GOING TO POINT THAT OUT.

SO, UM, HOLD ON A SECOND.

NO, THAT'S NOT THE ONE. I.

IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO GO I IT LOOKS BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY TO ME TO START WITH AN ASTERISK IN THE MIDDLE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS. THERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP COLORS.

THERE'S THE WAY DOWN.

WAY DOWN? YEAH.

WHEN I OPENED THE DOOR ON THE LEFT, WHEN I OPEN A PDF ON MY COMPUTER, I GOT A LITTLE HAND.

I CAN MOVE IT AROUND EASILY.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE PLUS AND MINUS.

YEAH, RIGHT. IT'S.

YEAH. THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE.

UM, AND IT IS SHOWN.

WELL IT IS SHOWING BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY SO THAT'S ON ME FOR COLORING THE SAME ORANGE AND THEN IT'S SURROUNDED BY.

UM, IT'S MULTIFAMILY.

YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE BELOW.

RIGHT. IT'S R2 AND THEN COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.

THAT LIGHT? NO, IT ISN'T.

YEAH, THERE'S AN OFFICE. YEAH.

YEAH. AREA.

THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT USED TO BE THE PROPERTIES.

YEAH. SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH. AND BESIDES, THE CHURCH IN THAT ZONE IS CURRENT OFFICE BUILDING.

THAT'S ACTIVE, RIGHT? I THINK SO.

ONE. YEAH. A REALTOR HEADQUARTERS OR SOMETHING? YEAH. YEAH.

LET ME SAY THAT.

OKAY. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL COME BACK.

WELL, I GOT. I GOT.

I GOT SOME NOTES.

WE'LL CONSULT IN SUMMARY.

IN SUMMARY DOES EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE IT CAN CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD? ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FULL DRAFT MAP IN THE NEXT COMING IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 MONTHS.

YES. THANK YOU.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE PROJECT REPORT? I HAVE NOTHING SPECIFIC TO SAY ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM.

I DID NOTE THAT I WAS GOING TO MOVE ELEVATION FOR UP TO SITE PLAN REVIEW, AND I DID THAT.

YES, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST, BUT THE TRADER JOE'S SITE, ANY MOVEMENT, ANY IDEA ON WHEN THAT'S MOVING? BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN THAT WAY.

THEY COULD HAVE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE OF THE WINTER WE HAD ESSENTIALLY BUILT THE PLACE ALMOST, BUT IT'S STILL JUST KIND OF SITTING THERE WITH FENCE AROUND IT, KIND OF LOOKING UGLY, IN MY VIEW.

IN MY OPINION. SO JUST CURIOUS IS WE DO WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, ANY CONTACT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE CONSTRUCTION? I'LL GET AN UPDATE FOR YOU.

I DON'T I HAVEN'T HEARD I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

BUT I'LL TALK TO DIRECTOR SCHMITT AND DIRECTOR CLARK AND SEE IF I CAN GET AN UPDATE FOR YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. NEXT MEETING REPORTS.

YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON.

NEXT ITEM IS CHAPTER 11 TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.

[11A. Township Board update.]

I HAVE NO REPORT. THAT'S AN EASY WAY OUT.

YEAH, SURE. HOW ABOUT LIAISON REPORTS?

[11B. Liaison reports.]

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IT'S THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT.

CIA. CIA.

CIA. I KNOW, I HATE, I DON'T LIKE SAYING CIA.

AND THEY ARE, THEY JUST GOT APPROVAL, I THINK TO OR NO, THEY JUST VOTED ON PURSUING A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN FOR THE CORRIDOR, WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN. BUT IT IS A WAY OF FINANCING IMPROVEMENTS IN A SPECIFIC CORRIDOR.

AND SO THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT TIF AREA IN QUOTES WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE AND WHAT BUSINESSES WOULD BE INCLUDED.

AND THOSE COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THE MALL AND THE TIFF.

SO THAT MIGHT ALSO PLAY INTO THE PCA DESIGNATIONS.

SO THEY'RE REVIEWING THAT.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY ONLY HAVE A MEETING EVERY.

IT'S NOT VERY FREQUENTLY. I DIDN'T THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THE NEXT ONE IS, BUT I THINK IT'S THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW A DRAFT PLAN AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO THAT'S A BIG, BIG.

IT MAY ALSO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DRIVING RANGE, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

BUT THAT WOULD ALSO PLAY INTO THE LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE, STUFF THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

ANY OTHER COMMITTEE REPORTS? NO. LOOKS.

WE HAVE NO. OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER SCALES.

I DIDN'T SEE ON HERE WHERE YOU HAD BOARD MEMBER REPORTS.

I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT I TOOK THE PLANNING AND ZONING ESSENTIALS TRAINING AND IT WAS QUITE AN EXCELLENT TRAINING EXPERIENCE, A GREAT UPDATE.

I HAD IT 12 YEARS AGO AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL NEW COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK INTO.

WELL, WE SENT YOU. CAN'T YOU TEACH US? WE SENT YOU. CAN'T YOU TEACH US? CAN I HAVE THE POWERPOINT AND THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE? BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU ASK FOR.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND A TIP IS A TAX CAPTURE PLAN TO INCENTIVIZE.

YEAH, BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL SHARE THE POWERPOINT WITH ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED.

AND THEY MAILED THE BOOKLET.

YOU DON'T NEED THE BOOKLET TO TAKE THE CLASS BECAUSE THEY DON'T USE THE BOOKLET.

THEY WORK OFF THE POWERPOINT.

EXCELLENT. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY REPORTS? NO, THERE IS.

THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LEFT FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.

THEREFORE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

HAVE A NICE EVENING. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.