Aug 08, 2022 Planning Commission

ALL RIGHT.

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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

AS CHAIR, I WOULD CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

LET'S START WITH A ROLL CALL.

COMMISSIONER SNYDER? HERE. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? HERE. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS IS ABSENT TODAY.

UH, CHAIR BLUMER IS HERE.

COMMISSIONER TREZISE? HERE. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? HERE. AND COMMISSIONER CORDILL? HERE. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN ABSENCE BY COMMISSIONER PREMOE.

BUT THERE IS A QUORUM, SO THE MEETING WILL CONTINUE.

FIRST OF ALL, WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT.

DO ANY OF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS US BEFORE WE GET TO THE SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? NO. ALL RIGHT. THE RECORD SHOULD OTHERWISE REFLECT THAT THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR THE PUBLIC REMARKS.

SO THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL, SAY AYE.

AYE. THERE WERE NO NAYS.

THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH WAS JULY 11.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

IS THERE ANY COMMENT ON THE PRIOR MINUTES? COMMISSIONER CORDELL PROVIDED A TYPO ON PAGE THREE OF THE MINUTES.

IT IS UNDER NUMBER NINE.

OTHER BUSINESS AND A AND TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THAT THERE'S A TYPO.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PURSUED.

WELL, WE COULD FUND IT. WE COULD PURSE IT.

[LAUGHTER]. YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THE PREVIOUS MINUTES OR CORRECTIONS? NO? THEN.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE? IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE PRIOR MINUTES.

SAY AYE. AYE.

THERE IS NO NAY.

THEREFORE THE PRIOR MINUTES OF THE JULY 11 MEETING ARE APPROVED.

NEXT, WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS.

ARE THERE ANY COMMUNICATIONS? THERE ARE NONE. NO COMMUNICATIONS.

SO WE MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[7A. Rezoning #2022-10 – RRA Deletion]

SO THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

RATHER THAN GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE STAFF REPORT, I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHILE THESE ARE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I CAN'T HELP BUT TALK ABOUT THE REZONING AND THE TEXT AMENDMENT TOGETHER.

SO I'LL JUST KIND OF TELL YOU HOW IT'S GONE.

WE DID GET HALF A DOZEN PHONE CALLS AND THEY WERE ALL CURIOUS IN NATURE, NOT ADVERSARIAL IN AT LEAST ONCE IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT NO NEW DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THIS REZONING AND NO EFFECT ON PROPERTY TAXES WAS GOING TO BE HAD.

EVERYONE SEEMED OKAY WITH IT.

WE DID REACH OUT TO THE LANDOWNERS WHOSE PHONE NUMBERS WE COULD FIND.

WE LEFT THREE VOICEMAILS.

I SPOKE TO ONE PERSON THAT WAS THE ETHEL COURT PROPERTY OWNER.

ONCE I EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM, THEY WERE FINE WITH IT AS WELL.

THE PHONE CALL WE DID GET ONE EMAIL THAT WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE REZONING ITSELF, NOT ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY ALL SIX PEOPLE CALLED IN REFERENCE TO THE ETHEL COURT PROPERTIES.

SO I'M GLAD THAT WENT WELL.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ANY OF THE OTHER LANDOWNERS THEMSELVES, SO IT'S NOT THIS HAS NOT BEEN A CONTROVERSIAL REZONING APPLICATION. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID BEFORE.

THERE ARE SIX PARCELS ON VANNATA ONE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ETHEL COURT AND CORNELL ROAD.

THE BAND OUT OF PARCELS ARE OUT OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE CURRENT LOT SIZE STANDARDS FOR RRA ZONING DISTRICT ANYWAY, THE REZONING WOULD BRING FIVE OF THOSE SIX INTO CONFORMANCE FOR LOT SIZE.

THERE'S ALSO ISSUES WITH LOT WIDTH.

TWO OF THEM WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE, THE REST WOULD BE BROUGHT TOWARD CONFORMANCE.

WHILE THE FULL COURT PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EITHER OF THOSE, IT'S ALSO NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE REZONING.

AND AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY EFFECT ON THE LAND USES OR THE ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL.

IN ALL CASES, THE SIDE SETBACK IS LESSENED BY FIVE FEET.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF BENEFIT TO THE LANDOWNERS IN REGARD TO THAT.

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AND HONESTLY, I THINK I KIND OF WENT INTO LITTLE DETAIL LAST MONTH.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.

IT DOES CONFORM WITH OUR MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDATION OF CONSOLIDATING DISTRICTS.

IT BRINGS LOTS INTO CONFORMANCE AND TAKES BRINGS THEM OUT OF THAT LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS SHOULD HAPPEN.

SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THEIR PROPERTIES.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT.

AND I CLEARED THIS THROUGH.

THIS ISN'T JUST ME. I CLEARED THIS THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP ASSESSOR.

THERE'S NO EFFECT ON ANY OF THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR TO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP.

IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING FIT NICELY.

AND THESE TWO BLOCKS OF PROPERTY ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE.

THAT IS CORRECT. THERE ARE SEVEN PARCELS THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CORDILL? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SORT OF THING TO DO TO HAVE TO GET SOMETHING TO CONFORMANCE.

AGREED. I'M IN FAVOR. THANK YOU.

SORRY. IT'S GOING TO BE A SOUND REAL QUICK.

OK WE'RE GOOD NOW.

ONE SORT OF PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION FOR ME.

I WANTED THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT OUT TO A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY WERE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIBLE FOR THOSE OF US WHO READ THEM.

BUT IT CAN BE CHALLENGING FOR AVERAGE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK PEOPLE SOMETIMES OFTENTIMES STUMBLE ON IS THE FACT THAT THE MASTER PLAN CARRIES A SET OF DESIGNATIONS AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE CARRIES ANOTHER. AND I THINK PEOPLE OFTEN WONDER, IS THAT ON PURPOSE OR IS THAT AN ACCIDENT? IS IT SOMETHING THAT COULD OR SHOULD BE FIXED? SO I'M KIND OF WITHIN THE PLANNING PROFESSION, IS THAT COMMON TO HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN, FUTURE VISION VERSUS A ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE IS THE MASTER PLAN IS MEANT TO BE MORE GENERAL IN NATURE.

THAT'S WHY ON PAGE TWO, YOU SEE TABLE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE R2 RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FITS WITH THE RRA, R TRIPLE A, R DOUBLE A AND THE RA ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THAT'S A POINT THAT I MADE IS YOU'RE EVEN WITH THIS ZONE CHANGE, YOU'RE IT'S STILL WITHIN THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

NOW, NEITHER ONE OF THESE ARE THAT DESIGNATION, BUT IT'S NOT MAKING IT MORE IT'S NOT MAKING THAT PARTICULAR.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM, BUT WE ISSUE WORSE.

SO IT IS COMMON PRACTICE.

I HAD A COMMUNITY EARLY ON IN MY CAREER THAT INSISTED THEY HAD TO MAKE THEM EXACTLY THE SAME.

AND IT WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE NO ONE UNDERSTOOD IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, I MEAN, THEY MADE THE DISTRICT NAMES THE SAME.

AND NO ONE UNDERSTOOD.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE OR ZONING, I APPRECIATE THE TABLE YOU'VE PRESENTED THERE.

IT REALLY DOES LAY OUT NICELY HOW EACH OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE BASICALLY A BUCKET OF CURRENT ZONING, RIGHT? AND SIMPLIFYING A BUCKET IS MAKES IT EASIER TO NAVIGATE IT.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, LATER ON THE AGENDA THERE IS WE ARE GOING OVER OUR LETTER OF INTENT TO PLAN.

SO WE'RE KIND OF STARTING THAT CONVERSATION.

IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE ROOM FOR DISCUSSION ON HOW TO DESIGNATE FUTURE LAND USE IF WE WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY.

BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ONE FOR ONE, DISTRICT FOR DISTRICT.

THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL BENT TO APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

AND THAT IS A LOT OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT I HAVE SEEN ON A TOWNSHIP LEVEL IS OVERLY CONFUSING AND OVERLAPPING AND EXCESSIVELY DETAILED.

I COMMEND THE SIGN ORDINANCE REVISIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THE PRIMARY GOAL OF, WHICH WAS TO STRIP AWAY REDUNDANCY AND UTTER CONFUSION IN SOME CASES. AND I THINK THIS IS ALONG THE SAME LINES.

IT'S AN UNNECESSARY AND UNUSED PROVISION.

IT'S IN THERE SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONFUSING PEOPLE.

AND I THINK REMOVING IT IS A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. OF COURSE, THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS.

BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE REZONING AND YOU DON'T DO THE TEXT AMENDMENT, YOU'RE LEAVING IT OUT THERE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT'S THE POINT? AND THEN VICE VERSA.

SO THE COMMENTS ARE THE SAME.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTATION?

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YOU CANNOT MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT WITHOUT SUSPENDING YOUR RULES.

OH, WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING A RESOLUTION FOR EACH ONE OF THESE BACK NEXT WEEK.

OKAY. I'M SORRY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT, THEN. LET'S TAKE A STRAW VOTE.

LET'S DO THIS TOGETHER RATHER THAN AS SEPARATE.

AND SHOULD WE DO THEM SEPARATELY? ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THEM TOGETHER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCES TO REMOVE RA AND THE SPECIFIC REZONING AND THE SPECIFIC REZONING, SAY, AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSITION, THERE IS NONE.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE NOW ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT.

[8A. Special Use Permit #22-071 – Butterflies Group Childcare]

THE BUTTERFLY'S GROUP CHILD CARE UNIT.

THIS ONE YOU CAN VOTE ON.

WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT YOU JUST REFERRED TO AT YOUR MEETING ON JULY 11TH.

PLANNING COMMISSION RAISED NO MAJOR CONCERNS AT THAT TIME AND AGREED TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A GROUP CHILD CARE HOME FOR UP TO 12 CHILDREN AT 2149 QUARRY ROAD AT ITS NEXT MEETING, WHICH THIS IS.

SINCE THAT MEETING WE'VE RECEIVED NO OTHER COMMENT FROM NEIGHBORS.

SO IT IS AS IT WAS AND AS I RECALL, WE HAD A STRAW VOTE THAT APPROVED THE REQUEST.

YES, YOU DID. ALL RIGHT, THEN.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ALL MOVE BY COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL SECONDS IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING? SHOULD BE ROLL CALL. YOU'RE RIGHT, I APOLOGIZE.

SO LET'S START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER CORDILL? AYE. COMMISSIONER TREZISE? AYE. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? AYE. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY? AYE. COMMISSIONER SNYDER? AYE. CHAIR VOTES AYE.

THE MOTION PASSES.

CONGRATULATIONS, FOLKS. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NINE, WHICH IS MASTER PLAN NOTICE OF INTENT.

[9A. 2022 Master Plan Notice of Intent to Plan]

THE FIRST STEP UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN 2008 TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE PLANNING ENABLING ACTS, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A COUNTY ENABLING ACT AND A TOWNSHIP ENABLING ACT AND THE CITY VILLAGE ENABLING ACT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ADDED WAS THIS NOTICE OF INTENT.

SO WHAT WE DO AT THIS POINT IS THIS LETTER GOES OUT TO, IN OUR CASE, ALL THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS, THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, THE TRI COUNTY REGIONAL PLANNING AUTHORITY COMMISSION, TRI COUNTY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, CAPITAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY IS OUR DULY DESIGNATED TRANSIT GROUP AND ALL OF THE UTILITIES THAT OPERATE WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP CONSUMERS BOARD OF WATER AND LIGHT TECHNICALLY DOES EXIST WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE WE WILL REACH OUT TO, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S REQUIRED, WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE FIBER OPTIC PROVIDERS AS WELL TO GET THEIR INPUT.

THIS IS, AS I SAID, THE FIRST STEP IN MANY.

WE WILL AT THE NEXT MEETING BRING FORWARD A ROUGH SCHEDULE AND A ROUGH TIMELINE OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE HERE AND HOW START ROLLING THIS BALL DOWN THE HILL.

WELL, GET IT OFF THE HILL FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GET IT BACK DOWN.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PIECE, BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVE TO APPROVE THIS.

AND WE WILL WORK WITH MR. PREMOE TO GET HIS SIGNATURE BECAUSE AS ASSISTANT PLANNER, CHAPMAN REMINDED ME, THE SECRETARY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SENDING OUT ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE.

SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE LETTER OF INTENT? YES. SO MOVED.

MOVE BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS LETTER? SAY, AYE, AYE.

I JUST A QUICK NOTE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A TYPO IN THAT LETTER.

ONE, TWO, THREE. THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH.

UNLESS YOU OBJECT THAT METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION OBJECT THAT OR MAYBE OBJECT TO THAT METHOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT REALLY MATTERS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT.

NO, AND AYE.

[LAUGHTER]. CORRECTION WILL BE DEEMED AS A FRIENDLY CORRECTION.

YEAH. SINCE THIS IS JUST A FIRST STEP.

WE DIDN'T NEED A ROLL CALL. NO, NO, THIS IS JUST A LETTER WE'RE SIGNING NOW, ALL RIGHT?

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SO THE LETTER OF INTENT IS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

YES. I'M SORRY, WHAT? WITH THE RECOMMENDED EDIT? YEAH, WITH THE FRIENDLY EDIT.

ALL RIGHT. THE SIGN ORDINANCE UPDATE

[9B. Sign Ordinance Update]

SO. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIR. WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU NOW WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEYS ARE IN PROCESS OF REVIEWING IT.

BUT WE WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU NOW BECAUSE THIS IS I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT'S THE LARGEST OVERHAUL OF AN ORDINANCE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FOR SOME TIME, AT LEAST UNTIL WE BRING YOU THE PARKING ORDINANCE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THIS TOUCHES THE ENTIRE SIGN ORDINANCE.

THIS WILL AMEND EVERY SINGLE SECTION, INCLUDING THE SECTION THAT WE SPLIT OFF ABOUT MUNICIPAL SIGNAGE AND APPROVED LAST TWO MONTHS AGO.

THE SUBCOMMITTEE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON HELPING GUIDE THIS AND GIVING US FEEDBACK ON CERTAIN THINGS AND WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND AREAS THAT NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED.

THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY IS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING INTO OUR TREATMENT OF TEMPORARY SIGNS, WHICH IS THE BIG THING THAT EVERYONE STRUGGLES WITH.

THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME LANGUAGE FOR FLAGS BECAUSE AT MY RECOMMENDATION, THE SUBCOMMITTEE PULLED OUT THE FLAG LANGUAGE AT THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I JUST WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE IT WAS AT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE REST OF IT ON THAT ONE ISSUE.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER AREAS THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THEY WILL PROVIDE US WITH SOME COMMENTS HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

BUT I WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU SO YOU CAN START ABSORBING IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A LOT COMMISSIONER RICHARDS RECOMMENDATION.

WE NOT ONLY STRIKETHROUGH, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE CHANGES AS WELL.

AND SO JUST NOT THAT ANY OF THEM ARE LESS IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS, BUT THE GREEN ONES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FUNCTIONAL CHANGES IN SOME WAY THAT IT CHANGES THE WAY WE'RE DOING BUSINESS NOW.

THE GRAY STUFF IS JUST LITERALLY STRIPPING OUT THE CONTENT, STRIPPING OUT THE DUPLICATIVE INFORMATION.

THE BLUE IS CLARIFICATION, OR IT WAS JUST MOVING IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER THE GREENER THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY CHANGING HOW THIS ORDINANCE FUNCTIONS.

AND SO GETTING DOWN TO CHANGES IN SIZE, CHANGES IN HEIGHT, CHANGES THE LOCATION, CHANGES HOW WE DO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE SO THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING SO YOU CAN START TO DIGEST IT.

WE WILL GET THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND PASS THOSE ALONG ALONG WITH THE ANY REVISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.

WE'RE SHOOTING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER ON THIS SO WE CAN GET THIS ROLLING, THE IDEA BEING THAT IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT JUST AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES ON TEMPORARY SIGNS A MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION THAT IT'S TOUGH ENOUGH AS IT IS.

[LAUGHTER]. SO WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL JUST AFTER THE ELECTION TO FORMALLY GET THIS INTO PLACE.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS NOW, BUT I HAD NO PLANS ON HAVING A LARGE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS EVENING.

I JUST NEEDED TO GET IT OUT TO THE REMAINDER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HADN'T ALREADY SEEN IT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IS THERE A PREFERRED WAY FOR TO SUBMIT COMMENTS ON IT? AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO SHOOT STAFF AN EMAIL SO WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

FIRST OFF, WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY HAVE AN ANSWER TO.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR WE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN SECONDLY, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, WE CAN RUN IT UP THE FLAGPOLE TO THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY.

AT THIS POINT, WE'LL DO, BUT PLEASE SEND THEM ALONG IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING.

[INAUDIBLE] IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, DO TOWNSHIP ATTORNEYS EVER APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THEY HAVEN'T HERE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE, BUT THEY CERTAINLY COULD.

I'M JUST WONDERING. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM I'M SURE.

YEAH, IF THEY HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT THERE.

MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD HAVE INVITE THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEYS TO ONE OF OUR HEARINGS? ABSOLUTELY. LET ME SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.

IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE THEM HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, AT ANY RATE, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THERE'S SOME FROM THE PUBLIC THAT COME IN.

YEAH. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND THEN FIND OUT THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SUE OVER THE US SUPREME COURT CASE.

WE DID IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

THE MOST RECENT CASE THAT CAME THROUGH IN THE LAST TERM ACTUALLY IS TO OUR BENEFIT.

IT HELPS US OUT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THIS TEMPORARY SIGNS.

BUT YES, IT'S IT'S STILL AN EVOLVING AREA OF LITIGATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

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NOTHING IS REQUIRED. WE JUST WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TO START GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK.

SO PLEASE EMAIL ME, CALL.

I'LL BUY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THIS IS WHERE IT'S HEADED BY AND LARGE, AND ANY OF US WHO MAY BE COLORBLIND ARE AT A DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE.

MY APOLOGIES.

I DID RUN INTO THAT WITH ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS THAT'S WORKING ON THIS IS HAPPY TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

OH, GEE. OKAY.

AND WE CAN ALSO JUST GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT STRIKETHROUGH COPY AS WELL.

I DO HAVE THAT. GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE BLUE IS MORE HOUSEKEEPING MOVING STUFF AROUND, COPYEDITING, COPY, EDITING, WORDSMITHING.

BUT THE GREEN IS WHAT'S THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES CORRECT.

AND IT'S NOT THAT THE GRAY IS SUBSTANTIVE, BUT THE GRAY IS LARGELY DEALING WITH THOSE CONTENT BASED WRITE REGULATIONS.

SO THAT KIND OF HAS TO HAPPEN, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE SIGN TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S LEGAL, CORRECT? THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT.

YEAH. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE? GOOD WORK. YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT STAFF BRIAN AND YOU AND OTHERS THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS AS WELL AS THE COMMITTEE.

THIS IS A MAJOR EFFORT AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE, WHAT, ABOUT 15 TO 20 PAGES OF SIGN ORDINANCE DOWN TO SIX.

IT IS GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY CUT IT DOWN.

YEAH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN ALMOST EVERY ORDINANCE I BRING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO CUT OUT ALL THE OTHER REFERENCES TO BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A REFERENCE SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU'VE GOT TO AMEND IT EVERY TIME WE CHANGE IT OVER HERE.

SO THAT KIND OF STUFF DRIVES ME A LITTLE BATTY.

WELL, THIS STUFF'S BEEN ALLOWED TO GROW OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND IT JUST BUILDS ON ITSELF AND GROWS AND CREATES CONFUSION AND CONTRADICTION. ALMOST 50 YEARS, 50 YEARS SINCE THE 1974 WAS THE LAST MAJOR OVERHAUL OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UNTIL 2022.

WELL, THANK YOU. SO THE PROHIBITION ON NEON HAS BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.

IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE TIME.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT FOR CERTAIN BECAUSE THAT'S IN ONE OF THE SECTIONS.

IT'S BEEN SLIGHTLY AMENDED.

BUT I'M WILLING, BECAUSE USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS ON STUFF LIKE THIS IS IF ONE COMMUNITY DOES IT, IT GETS COPIED OVER TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND ALMOST EVERYBODY HAS THAT NEON LANGUAGE.

IT'S STUFF LIKE THAT RINGS A BELL TO A PLANNER.

THAT'S RIGHT. A COUPLE OF ORDINANCES.

OH, YEAH. I'VE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE.

WELL, THANK YOU. THAT REPRESENTS A LOT OF HARD WORK.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THEN.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM TEN, A TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.

[10A. Township Board update.]

THE TOWNSHIP BOARD APPRECIATES ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER WITH ALL THESE SMALL ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE REALLY THE QUALITY OF LIFE AMENDMENTS, AS WE CALL THEM.

THEY DID FINALLY THEY DID ADOPT FOR FINAL APPROVAL THE LAST SET OF THEM, WHICH WERE THE MUNICIPAL SIGN ORDINANCE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY CHANGES, AND THE CHANGES TO REGULATE PODS AND DUMPSTERS, WHICH WAS VERY TIMELY BECAUSE WE ENDED UP GETTING TWO CALLS, COMPLAINING ABOUT PODS THE WEEK IT WAS UP FOR FINAL ADOPTION.

SO IT PROVING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SOME BASIC GUARDRAILS IN PLACE.

THEY ALSO DID APPROVE AT THEIR MOST RECENT MEETING THE PROPOSAL FROM JIM JAGER AND JAGER HOLMES FOR THE NETS LOT FARM PROPERTY ON HULETT ROAD.

SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THEY ARE EXTREMELY BUSY WITH A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW.

COULD I GO BACK TO A COUPLE ITEMS? AS LONG AS WE GOT THE DIRECTOR HERE, THE NOTICE OF INTENT THAT WE APPROVED THIS EVENING IS KIND OF FOR THE OUTREACH THAT WE'RE REQUIRED AND WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

I PRESUME WE'LL HEAR NEXT TIME ABOUT SORT OF IN REACH HOW WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS.

AND I'M ESPECIALLY THINKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS, SO REALLY INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN BEST DO THAT.

WHAT IS THE NEON SIGN? NEON SIGNS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWNSHIP BOARD TO HELP US HERE.

THESE ARE THE THINGS WHERE WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE IN LIKE TO GET THE FEEDBACK.

WE'RE ALSO A LOT OF GROUPS HAVE THEIR ANNUAL MEETINGS TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, SO WE'RE GETTING TO THE ANNUAL MEETING TIME, WHICH IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.

I ONLY DID ONE LAST YEAR, BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO TALKING TO MORE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FRIENDS OF MINE THAT WANTED TO INVITE ME TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

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THANK YOU. ANY LIAISON REPORTS?

[10B. Liaison reports.]

WE HAD THE EDC MEETING LAST WEEK AND THEY ARE EXPLORING SOME SORT OF A BUSINESS CARD ACCESS PROGRAM THEY DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR THE HOLIDAYS TO ENCOURAGE SHOPPING IN OUR LOCAL STORES WHERE THEY SUPPLEMENTED.

SO YOU BOUGHT A $40 CARD OR YOU PAID $40 AT THE STORE, YOU GOT A $50 CARD.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT POSSIBLY FOR THIS FALL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION TO HELP SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES OUT IN PARTICULAR, AND THEN MAYBE ANOTHER IN DECEMBER OR NOVEMBER FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON THAT WOULD BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OR MERIDIAN ASSOCIATION OF BUSINESS AND MAYBE A AND SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AND. IT'S A SUPPLEMENT MAYBE THREE OR $4,000 FROM THE ADC TO FOR THEIR SHOT AND THEN MORE FROM THAT AND IT'LL HELP.

WE HOPE WE GET THE CUSTOMERS BACK TO SOME OF OUR LANDLOCKED BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY, THAT ARE REALLY SUFFERING WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THE BRA MET LAST WEEK AND APPROVED FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, 2.7 MILLION IN BROWNFIELDS GRANTS TO THE HASLETT VILLAGE BUILDING, AND MOST OF THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY RECOUPED FROM STATE TAXES IF THE TOWNSHIP GOES FORWARD AND ESSENTIALLY FREEZES TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THAT WOULD GET THEM CLEANING UP THAT SITE AND READY TO GO FOR THE APARTMENTS.

IT ALSO COMPLETELY CLEANS UP SOME OF THE FOR THE DRY CLEANER ONES.

LET ME STOP YOU FOR THE DRY CLEANERS.

A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT THE AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, IS THERE A DESIGNATED BROWNFIELD AREA? IT'S WITHIN THE PEAK AND IT'S WITH IT'S FOR I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS.

THERE'S ASBESTOS IN THERE.

THERE'S THE FORMER DRY CLEANER AND SOME OTHER SITES THAT THEY'VE LOCATED, ASSESSED AND READY TO GO.

AS FAR AS THE DRY CLEANER, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO REMOVE ALL OF THE CONTAMINATED SOIL SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SPECIAL AIR HANDLING DISPOSAL.

SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE CLEANED UP FULLY AT THAT POINT.

SO THEY'RE MOVING AHEAD.

THEY HOPE TO, I THINK, START CONSTRUCTION LATE THIS YEAR OR ACTUALLY DEMOLITION LATE THIS YEAR AND SEE WHERE THEY GO AND DEPENDING ON IF THEY GET THE FUNDING.

ALL SET. PRETTY GOOD.

THAT'S MY REPORT FROM THOSE TWO.

I LIKE THE IDEA THAT DONOR CARD FOR THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE GOT TO BE HURTING BADLY.

WELL, SOME OF THEM YOU CAN'T GET TO ESSENTIALLY LIKE THE PET SUPPLY STORE AND THE BREAD STORE THERE.

AND YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HIDE BACK THROUGH THERE AND PEOPLE AND IF YOU MISS THE CAR OFF ON THE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND TRY IT AGAIN.

OH, YEAH. AND THERE'S THIS BIG SIGNS.

DON'T DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET AROUND THE DETOUR, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO SOME OF THOSE PLACES.

SO CATCH 22.

YEAH, IT IS. SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HELPING OUT OUR LOCAL EXCELLENT STORES AND THE OTHER LEADS AND REPORTS. THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY SKIPPED ITS MEETING THIS THIS MONTH.

UH, THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED WAS THEY SUBMITTED THEIR ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT.

IT'S ALL NUMBERS. YEAH.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MET ON AUGUST 3RD, CONTINUING TO WORK ON REVISIONS TO OUR CLIMATE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.

THIS MONTH. THE FOCUS WAS MAINLY ON WETLANDS AND STRENGTHENING OUR WETLAND PROTECTION ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO INCREASING OUR OUTREACH TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, CONTRACTORS AND OTHERS WHO ARE IMPACTING OUR OUR WETLANDS.

ROSE LAKE IS NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION.

NO. A CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET IN JULY, BUT IT DID NOT BECAUSE OF LACK OF QUORUM.

I AM JUST WONDERING IF I COULD INSTITUTE MAYBE AN EXCEPTION TO OUR AGENDA.

IN SOME COMMUNITIES I'VE SEEN WHERE COMMISSIONERS CAN BRING UP PLANNING RELATED ISSUES THAT MAYBE AREN'T SPECIFICALLY LAID OUT WITH RESPECT TO WITH ALL THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION.

I AM A FREQUENT USER OF ADOBE ROAD, AS WE FONDLY CALL IT, THE OKEMOS ROAD ALTERNATE.

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YOU GET THROUGH ONE AND THEN YOU GET STOPPED AT THE OTHER.

SO IT'S ALMOST GOING DOWN TO FOREST HILLS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC JUST CAN'T MOVE.

I THINK IT WOULD AID THINGS.

I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT AGENCIES HERE, STATE AND COUNTY, BUT IT JUST DOES NOT BEING AN ALTERNATE, IT'S BUSY ANYWAY, BUT BEING AN ALTERNATE, IT JUST HAS THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON IT SO THAT IF THOSE TWO LIGHTS COULD BE SEQUENCE TO WORK TOGETHER, I THINK YOU'D SEE A LOT BETTER IMPROVEMENT ON THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

AND A LITTLE MORE COURTESY ON DRIVERS.[LAUGHTER] LEARN SOME NEW WORDS.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND OTHER GESTURES.

THAT'S RIGHT. TO KNOW YOU WERE NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE HAVE A STANDING MEETING WITH AMAZON WITH REGARD TO THE GRAND RIVER PROJECT AND SO WE'LL BRING IT UP WITH THEM ON THURSDAY AND I WILL TRY AND CIRCLE BACK TO THE COUNTY TOMORROW OR WEDNESDAY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THE MDOT HAS INDICATED WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

ON STUFF LIKE THIS, THEY'LL WORK WITH THE LOCALS.

DO YOU KNOW? FUNNY WE ALL THOUGHT THE PROTECTED LEFT TURN ON GRAND RIVER WAS A GOOD THING.

THAT JUST SCREWS EVERYTHING UP BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS MUCH LONGER FOR THE PROTECTED LEFT AND SO YOU JUST CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE.

BUT IT WAS NEEDED.

NO, I DON'T DOUBT THAT.

BUT THE TIMING IS BAD, RIGHT? DO WE KNOW HOW LONG IS IT TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR THAT THIS ARRANGEMENT IS GOING TO BE WHERE ADOBE IS, THE OKEMOS ROAD ALTERNATE? I DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S OK. I JUST WAS ONE, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE MONTHS AHEAD OF US, IT'S WORTHWHILE TO.

YOU HAVE MONTHS AHEAD OF YOU.

I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH I'M DONE IN THE COUNTY ON THE LINE.

I KNOW TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION ON JULY 21ST I WAS NOT IN TOWN.

SO MY PLAN IS TO WATCH THAT MEETING AND THEN REPORT BACK TO YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS.

IF THAT'S OK WE GOT IN VERY LATE WELL EARLY MORNING, THURSDAY, AFTER SOME DELAYS.

SO I'M A LITTLE BEHIND ON A LOT OF THINGS.

SO IF YOU COULD GRANT ME THAT COURTESY I'LL REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

OH, CERTAINLY.

I HOPE YOU HAD A WONDERFUL TRIP.

IT WAS GREAT. I NEVER KNEW THAT LAKES COULD BE AS BLUE AS THE ONES THAT I SAW IN BANFF.

IT WAS INCREDIBLE. WHAT WAS THE TEMPERATURE LIKE WHEN YOU WERE THERE? IT WAS PRETTY GOOD AND IT WAS REALLY WARM FOR THE PLACES THAT WE WERE IN.

BUT I MEAN, WE GENERALLY ENJOYED IT EXCEPT AT NIGHT BECAUSE NOBODY HAS AIR CONDITIONING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DECADES AGO, NOBODY WAS PLANNING FOR THIS KIND OF WEATHER AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND ALL THAT.

THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WAS BREAKING ALL KINDS OF RECORDS WHILE YOU WERE OUT THERE.

YEAH, IT WAS WARM.

WE WERE SWEATING ON SOME OF OUR HIKES.

THAT'S OKAY THOUGH. ANY OTHER REPORTS? NO. GREAT.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 11 PROJECT UPDATES.

ANY NEW APPLICATIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY SITE PLANS RECEIVED OR SITE PLANS APPROVED? THE RECORD. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC REMARKS, DO WE?

[12. PUBLIC REMARKS]

A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, WE GOT THE MICHIGAN TOWNSHIP MAGAZINE.

AS AN ASIDE, I DID CONTACT THEM THERE.

NOW IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED TO YOU.

I'LL GIVE CHAIR BLUMER OR I'LL BRING THEM DOWN TO YOU.

THEY WEREN'T. I NOTICED THAT WAS IN ERROR.

THIS WASN'T ON EITHER OF OUR RADARS.

WE DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING.

THE STATE HAS PASSED A PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE.

THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

TODAY, FAMILY GROUP HOMES CAN NOW GO UP TO.

FAMILY GROUP DAYCARES CAN NOW GO UP TO SEVEN AND GROUP DAYCARES CAN NOW GO UP TO 14.

AND WE NEED YOU'LL BE SEEING AN AMENDMENT TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THAT NEXT.

WE HAVE TO GET ON THAT PRETTY QUICK, BUT WE APPROVED THEM TO GO UP TO 12.

THAT IS CORRECT. IF THEY WANTED TO GO UP TO 14, DO THEY NEED RE APPROVAL OR.

I HAVE ASKED THEM NOT TO DO THAT.

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LIKE I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.

SO JUST TO ADD TO THE LITTLE FLAVOR TO THAT, THE LAW THAT WENT INTO EFFECT, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PRETTY MUCH PERFECT OPERATORS UNDER THEIR LICENSE. SO WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO SEE THE EFFECTS OF THIS FOR SOME TIME INTO THE FUTURE.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO LOOK INTO WHAT ALL IT MEANS, BUT IT'S CLEAR AT A MINIMUM IF YOU'RE ONLY DOING SEVEN, YOU'RE FUNCTIONALLY EXEMPT AND WE AT LEAST NEED TO AMEND FOR THAT. THE QUESTION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS SOMETHING WE GOT TO DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT, AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT JUST FROM MY WORK, MY DAY JOB, WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT I MEAN, THERE ARE FAMILIES, PARTICULARLY AFTER COVID, THAT ARE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH ACCESS TO CHILD CARE.

AND SO THE INTENT OF THE CHANGE WAS TO TRY TO MINIMIZE SOME OF THOSE DISRUPTIONS FOR FAMILIES AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FIND QUALITY CHILD CARE.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCOMMODATES AT OUR END, TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR FAMILIES STILL.

IT WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

AND QUALITY DAYCARE IS VERY DIFFICULT.

SO ANYTHING I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR SAFETY, FOR CHILDREN AND QUALITY.

BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE A CHANGE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND WIGGLE ROOM TO MAKE MORE CENTERS AVAILABLE OR MORE PLACES FOR FAMILIES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE HOMES AREN'T NECESSARILY ANY LARGER.

THE PLAY AREA, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY LARGER.

WHAT WAS THE ONE WE HEARD TONIGHT? WASN'T IT A 12,500 SQUARE FEET? OH, NO. WHAT WAS THE LOT AREA? I MEAN, I'M JUST. OH LOT AREA? I'M SORRY. NO, NOT THE HOME.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. I WAS.

NO, YOU'RE FINE. YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I CAN GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBER.

I'VE GOT THE FILE HERE.

WOULD THAT BE FOR NEW? YEAH. 12,632 SQUARE FEET IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT.

YEAH. OKAY. WHAT WOULD THIS AFFECT NEW APPLICATIONS OR WOULD IT AFFECT WHAT OTHER.

WE DIDN'T FULLY ANALYZE IT AND UNDERSTAND HOW OUR APPROVALS GOING FORWARD STILL.

OKAY. JUST AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION.

YOU KNOW, THE PHYSICAL ASPECTS AREN'T NECESSARILY CHANGING.

I'M NOT DENYING THEY'RE NOT.

YEP. I PHILOSOPHICALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY, IF IT WERE ME AND MY HUSBAND, I CAN'T IMAGINE US WATCHING 14 CHILDREN.

12 WOULD BE.

I STOPPED AT ONE.

THAT SPEAKS TO THE CONDITION OF THE SITUATION.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S NOT IDEAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.

SO ANYWAY, JUST YOU CAN'T TIE HIM DOWN ANYMORE.

SO THAT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING MY MOM SENT ME THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, LIKE CHILD SAFETY RESTRAINTS IN THE FIFTIES AND VEHICLES.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S PRETTY FUNNY, LIKE HAMMOCKS THAT YOU CAN STRING OFF THE BACK OF YOUR CAR.

OH, YEAH, FOR YOUR CHILD.

I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A SLINGSHOT.

[LAUGHTER].

I DON'T THINK THAT'S SAFE.

ANYTHING FURTHER? NO? I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ON THE LAST ITEM, WHICH IS ADJOURNMENT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SURE.

[LAUGHTER]. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

SORRY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.