BREAKING OUT OF THAT IS TOUGH, BUT I'LL JUST STOP.
[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
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TODAY IS MONDAY, MAY 23, 2022.FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS THE ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL IS NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.
PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER BLUMER. THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC REMARKS.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT THERE ARE NO RESPONSES TO THAT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
4 APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.SO MOVED. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE? A SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AGENDA SAY AYE.
AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? NO OPPOSITION. THE AGENDA FOR TODAY IS APPROVED.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 9 REGULAR MEETING.IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT OR ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO MOVE TO APPROVE.
MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 9 MEETING BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY AMENDMENTS? SUGGESTIONS TO THE MINUTES? ONE VERY MINOR THING JUST TO ON ITEM E ON PAGE FOUR OF THE MINUTES.
IF PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PLANS OR LET'S SEE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, IF PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PLANS TO WRITE A LETTER TO BATH TOWNSHIP THEY SHOULD COMPLIMENT THE WETLAND ORDINANCE TO PROTECT PRIORITY WETLANDS IN THE CONTEXT OF CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE SUBSEQUENT LETTER.
SO NOT SUPER IMPORTANT JUST A THING.
JUST A NOTE ON THAT POINT FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I SIGNED THAT LETTER.
BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A DEADLINE, SO I WENT AHEAD AND SIGNED IT BEFORE THIS MEETING.
ALL RIGHT, THEN. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 9 MEETING SAY AYE PLEASE.
AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? NONE. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM THE MAY 9 MEETING.
[6. COMMUNICATIONS]
NOW WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER SIX COMMUNICATIONS, THE BATH TOWNSHIP MASTER PLAN RESPONSE LETTER.THAT IS A PART OF THE PACKAGE.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
[7A. Special Use Permit #22-061 – Meridian Township Changing Message Signs]
PUBLIC HEARING ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT 22-061 MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP MESSAGE SIGN ORDINANCE.SO THE REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING IS PART OF WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AT THE TOWNSHIP TO UPGRADE BOTH OUR BRANDS AND OUR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
THIS IS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT STAGE OF THE PROCESS, IF YOU WILL.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS UNDER REVIEW THIS EVENING IS TWO CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGNS ONE LOCATED AT THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP FARMERS MARKET RIGHT HERE, ROUGHLY BETWEEN THE TWO SIDEWALKS THAT GO OUT TO CENTRAL PARK.
THEY SORT OF TUCKED IT IN THERE BETWEEN ALL THE UTILITIES AND SIDEWALKS.
THESE SIGNS WILL REPLACE ALL THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY AND THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX HAS A WHOLE SIGN PACKAGE THAT GOES WITH THE DIRECTIONAL WAYFINDING SIGNS TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHICH BUILDING THEY'RE GOING TO, WHERE THE PARKING IS, ETC.
THE TWO SIGNS, THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING SIGN APPROXIMATELY 92 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL.
THE SIGN FOR MARKETPLACE IS ABOUT 82 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S THE ESSENTIALLY THE ADDITION TO THE TOWNSHIP MUNICIPAL PROPERTY SIGN.
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OVERALL SIZE OF THE SIGN.THE TOWNSHIP MUNICIPAL HALL SITE IS ZONED R TRIPLE A RESIDENTIAL, AS ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWNSHIP PROPERTIES AS WE FOUND.
THAT IS A SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT POLICY THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS.
MOST OF THE TOWNSHIP PROPERTIES ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
THE MARKETPLACE ON THE GREEN SITE IS ZONED C 3 BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE MALL SITE.
SO YOU'LL NOTE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IS THAT THE ORDINANCE ULTIMATELY BE AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR THE SIGN AT THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX . AS PART OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE UPDATE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND THE SIGN ORDINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS AT LEAST INITIALLY GRANTED A HEAD NOD TOWARDS WHAT WILL BECOME A WAIVER OF ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR MUNICIPAL SIGNAGE.
THERE'S A LOT THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS TRYING TO HAVE HAPPEN IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA.
WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THAT IT IS A TOWNSHIP BUILDING OR PROPERTY.
WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL TOWNSHIP PROPERTY IS.
WE ALSO, IN THIS CASE HAVE THE HISTORICAL VILLAGE ADDITION.
SO INSTEAD OF INSTALLING A SECOND SIGN, WE'RE KEEPING ON ONE SIGN.
AND THE CHANGE OF MESSAGE SIGN IS INTENDED TO REPLACE ALL THE BANNERS AND FLAGS AND THINGS THAT YOU SEE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL EVENTS ANNOUNCING THE FARMER'S MARKET THIS WEEKEND, ANNOUNCING CELEBRATE MERIDIAN, COMING UP, ANNOUNCING THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM LIMITING THE CHANGE OF MESSAGE TO ONE A DAY.
I'VE CURRENTLY WRITTEN IT UP AS TWICE A DAY JUST IN CASE SOMETHING NEEDED TO CHANGE ON MIDDAY.
I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT JUST A COUPLE OF TIMING QUESTIONS.
THE DOCUMENTS ARE ALMOST DONE TO GO OUT TO BID.
HOPE IS TO HAVE INSTALL LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL ON THIS FIRST PIECE OF THE PACKAGE THE SIGNS ON THESE PROPERTIES AND THE CENTRAL PARK SOUTH SIGN WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR IN NATURE WITHOUT THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGN.
SO THAT IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS THE APPLICANT OR AS THE STAFF LIAISON ON THIS PROJECT.
[LAUGHTER] AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THESE WILL NOT BE FLASHING MESSAGES.
IT IS A STATIC MESSAGE THAT IS ABLE TO BE CHANGED.
REMEMBER IF YOU ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE, BUT IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR EMERGENCY MESSAGING ON THAT BOARD? THE MESSAGE CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED.
YES. SO IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY OR EMERGENCY MESSAGE THAT NEEDED TO GO.
I GUESS I'M THINKING OF WEATHER ALERTS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE QUITE FREQUENTLY AND IF WE ARE TOO STRICT IN HOW OFTEN IT CAN BE CHANGED, I KNOW YOU DON'T ON A DAILY BASIS WANT IT CHANGING EVERY 5 MINUTES.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FARMERS MARKET AT THE MOMENT.
EXACTLY. I MEAN, I THINK IN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THAT TO BE, IF I'M BEING COMPLETELY BLUNT, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A TORNADO WARNING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE MESSAGE ON THE SIGN IF WE NEED IT.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.
OBVIOUSLY, IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY TOWNSHIP'S DOING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
AND IS THERE AN EXISTING CHANGING MESSAGE SIGN THAT PEOPLE COULD USE AS A KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF ROUGHLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? DIDN'T CULVERS HAVE A CHANGING? SO THERE'S TWO.
THERE MIGHT BE THREE. GIVE ME A SECOND.
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AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A THIRD ONE.
SO THIS ONE, THESE ARE FULL LED SCREENS.
SO THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD PUT A FULL PICTURE ON IT IF YOU WANTED.
BUT IT'S LARGELY A TEXT BASED MESSAGE IS WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR HERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE BRESLIN THAT IT WILL NOT SHOW YOU ACTIVE.
YOU CAN SEE ALMOST TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD BACK WHEN I LIVED OVER THERE.
[LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO PUT A LIMIT TO CHANGES IN AT ALL? WHY NOT JUST LEAVE IT TO THE RATIONAL DISCRETION OF THE TOWNSHIP OFFICIALS? AND IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCRETION TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
COMMISSIONER TREZISE. IF IT COMES BACK TO US AT SOME POINT TO EXCLUDE OR TO HAVE ALL OF THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP SIGNS AND MESSAGES EXCLUDED FROM THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE ZONING LAWS, THEN THIS IS MOOT.
THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL LAND USE WILL STILL BE IN PLACE FOR THIS SIGN SO THAT THE CONDITIONS WOULD STILL TECHNICALLY BE IN PLACE UNLESS THE SIGN WAS SUBSTANTIALLY MODIFIED.
RIGHT. AND THE SPECIAL LANGUAGE NO LONGER APPLIES.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER PREMOE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO I GUESS I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE MESSAGE SIGN ONLY CHANGING UP TO TWICE A DAY.
FOR ME, MY I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT'S ONLY ABLE TO CHANGE TWICE A DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE STATIC.
SO I GUESS I'M THINKING KIND OF MORE BACKWARDS DESIGN LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND IS THAT TWICE A DAY CHANGE SUFFICIENT TO GET ACROSS WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE? YEAH. SO THE GOAL OF THE SIGN IS LARGELY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS OR SPECIAL MESSAGES.
SO THE ABILITY TO LET US CHANGE IT EVEN ONCE A DAY STILL GETS OUT THAT OK ON WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY OF A WEEK I COULD PUT UP THAT THE FARMERS MARKETS ON SATURDAY.
AND SUNDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY OR SUNDAY, MONDAY IT BECOMES TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING ON TUESDAY NIGHT AT 6:00, THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND PUT UP A NEW BANNER OR CHANGE THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S A STATIC CHANGING MESSAGE.
WE NEED TO HAVE MULTIPLE MESSAGES ON THE SIGN, BUT THEY CAN BE THERE FOR MULTIPLE DAYS AT A TIME.
RIGHT. AND I GUESS I HOPE I DIDN'T COMMUNICATE THAT INCORRECTLY.
THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS IF IT'S AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE MAYBE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT TO TWO BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THAT'S I GUESS I THINK I'M KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU.
AND WE AND I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
BUT TO SAY THAT A CHANGING SIGN IS NOT A DISTRACTION IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER. BECAUSE IF I'M DRIVING AND I'M TRYING TO READ A SIGN AND SUDDENLY IT CHANGES AND I'M DRIVING AND I'M TRYING TO READ THE CHANGE, I'M DISTRACTED. SO FOR THAT REASON, I THINK MULTIPLE CHANGES MAY NOT BE A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THE SIGNS I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SIGNS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO A LOT OF WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING RECENTLY ABOUT OUR NEED TO COMMUNICATE MORE AND BETTER.
I THINK THAT HELPS THE PROCESS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THE WAY WE DO THAT.
AND TO SAY THAT A SIGN LIKE THAT IS NOT A DISTRACTION, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY, IN MY MIND, ACCURATE.
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THERE IS THE MINUTE AS A DRIVER I TURN TO READ THAT SIGN, I'M DISTRACTED.I GET THE IMPRESSION THIS IS NOT IT'S NOT TO GIVE IMMEDIATE WARNINGS TO ANYBODY ABOUT THAT THING.
IT'S THIS IS WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN.
YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THAT THREE TIMES.
AND I THINK WE CAN ADD A CAVEAT THAT SAYS THAT THE EXCEPTION IS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY . COMMUNICATION IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, THE SIGN MAY CHANGE MORE THAN TWICE.
WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING IS THE TOWNSHIP OFFICES ARE TEMPORARILY CLOSED DUE TO ILLNESS.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR WHAT WE THINK ARE, OBVIOUS REASONS WITHOUT THROWING THE RULE OUT, IN MY OPINION.
WELL, I HAD A VERY TECHNICAL SUGGESTION ON THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN THAT.
BUT GO AHEAD. WHAT IS YOUR OH, THE FIFTH CONDITION? I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS RESOLUTION TO APPROVE CAN MANDATE THE UPDATING OF THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT'S JUST THE WAY THE SENTENCE IS WRITTEN.
NO PROBLEM. OTHERWISE I'M IN FAVOR OF THE.
SHOULD WE DO A STRAW VOTE AND THEN SEND IT BACK TO THEM FOR REVISION? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE.
A STRAW VOTE. COMMISSIONERS, FIRST OF ALL, THE VOTE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD APPROVE THE CONCEPT SUBJECT TO MINOR REVISIONS BY STAFF.
YES. PRESUMING WE CAN REACH CONSENSUS ON THE SORT OF TIMING ISSUE AND.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DO ADD LANGUAGE THAT SAYS PRESERVING THE TWO CHANGES, BUT THAT SAYS SOMETHING IN DISCRETION IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES, WHATEVER.
ABSOLUTELY. I WOULDN'T GO QUITE AS FAR AS EMERGENCY, THEY SAY EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
WELL, BECAUSE IF IT'S A QUESTION OF IF SAY THE FARMER'S MARKET IS NOT GOING TO OPEN SATURDAY, IT'S HARDLY AN EMERGENCY BUT DO YOU WANT TO POST IT? YEAH. UNDERSTOOD.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT CLOSES ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[8A. Mixed-Use Planned Unit Development #22014 – 1621 & 1625 Haslett Road – Haslett Village]
THE FIRST ITEM THERE, ITEM 8A IS THE HASLETT VILLAGE ISSUE.GOOD EVENING. YOU PREVIOUSLY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION ON APRIL 25TH, WE RECEIVED UPDATED MATERIALS AND HAVE UPDATED EVERYTHING ACCORDINGLY.
THAT PROPOSAL NOW HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD 302 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IT'S 290 RESIDENTIAL UNITS NOW THE NONRESIDENTIAL SPACE OF 21,750 SQUARE FEET HAS REMAINED THE SAME.
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JUST TO MOVE FORWARD VERY QUICKLY AND GO THROUGH THIS, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE'D HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD WAS THE WAIVERS AND THE AMENITIES, HOW THEY DIDN'T BALANCE.THIS PROJECT REQUIRES TEN AMENITIES AND TEN AMENITIES ARE PROVIDED, AS YOU SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE OTHER BIG ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS THE TRAFFIC GENERATION PROPOSAL, THE ANALYSIS.
IT DIDN'T MATCH THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD.
THAT'S BEEN FIXED AND INDEED BY OUR ORDINANCE WE STILL DO NOT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY, ALTHOUGH IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ROAD DEPARTMENT HAS SENT US AN EMAIL SAYING THEY'D LIKE SOME FURTHER ANALYSIS.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS VERIFIED.
THEY'VE PROVIDED THEIR LEED PROJECT CHECKLIST SCORE SHEET.
THAT WAS AN ISSUE WE PREVIOUSLY HAD.
PARKING CALCULATION HAS BEEN FIXED AND IS ACCURATE AND THE WAIVER HAS ACTUALLY GONE DOWN NOW TO 352 SPACES BECAUSE OF THE LOWER NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE DRIVE THRU THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON ONE OF THE ON THE EXISTING BUILDING ON HASLETT ROAD THAT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AND CAN BE APPROVED BY OUR MUPUD ORDINANCE AS APPROVED AS PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE APRIL 25TH MEETING.
STAFF IS SATISFIED WITH THE PROPOSED WAIVER REQUESTS AND THE PROPOSED AMENITIES AND RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD FOR THE MUPUD APPLICATION.
WE HAVE ATTACHED A RESOLUTION.
TO THAT END, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT IS VERY WELL REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.
I MIGHT JUST SAY THAT I COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS.
I THINK THEY OBVIOUSLY HEARD THE ISSUES AND I THINK THEY MADE A SUBSTANTIAL EFFORT TO ADDRESS THEM AND THAT I APPRECIATE.
COMMISSIONER TREZISE. A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE PARKING THAT IS A RATHER SIGNIFICANT DOWN COUNT OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TWO PARKING PLACES PER DWELLING UNIT PROBABLY IS OVERKILL, BUT THIS TAKES IT DOWN TO LESS THAN TWO FOR UNIT AND ALSO RESERVES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHARGING STATIONS ARE CONSIDERED PARKING SPOTS, BUT AS THEY GET USED, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE COUNT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN PARKING.
THIS PLACE IS REAL EXCITING TO SEE IT'S GOING UP, BUT IT IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE WITHOUT A VEHICLE OF SOME SORT.
THERE ISN'T A WALKABLE GROCERY STORE, AT LEAST NOT IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH.
CATA IS NOT ROBUST ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE NEEDS.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT SIZE WAIVER IN THIS SITUATION.
AND IT MAKES A VERY CONGESTED I DON'T SEE ANY PLACE TO ADD PARKING.
BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE.
WITH PINE VILLAGE, WE WAIVED OR WE DID A VARIANCE IN FROM ROUGHLY 260 PARKING SPOTS DOWN TO 105.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOUR COMFORT LEVEL IN GOING THIS LENGTH OF REDUCTION.
WE'RE PRESENTING THE REQUEST AND THE WAY THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ULTIMATELY THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE PARKING SPACES WITH IF THEY PROVIDE AMENITY.
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IT'S UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE IF THEY'RE WAIVING TOO MANY PARKING SPACES.WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND YEAH, IN YOUR DISCUSSION OF THIS WHEN IT CAME TO US.
YOU WERE YOU INDICATED THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM WITH THAT SIZE WAIVER.
WHAT I SAID WAS THAT I WAS POINTING OUT THAT THERE WAS AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE CALCULATION AS REQUIRED BY OUR PARKING OR THE PARKING CALCULATION THAT I WAS COMING UP WITH VERSUS THE ONE THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING IN THE SITE PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT YOU I WAS AND IF I CONVEYED THAT, I WAS TACITLY SAYING THIS IS I'M A I WASN'T BRINGING THAT UP AS AN ISSUE PER SAY.
I'M NOT TAKING A SIDE IN THIS.
[LAUGHTER] AND I'M ONLY PRESENTING WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
OKAY. PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROJECT.
YEAH I TEND TO AGREE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE BECAUSE IT IS RENTAL, IT'S NOT PURCHASE, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BE DEALING WITH A YOUNGER POPULATION, MORE MOBILE.
AND I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT YOU CAN'T EXIST VERY WELL AROUND THERE WITHOUT A CAR.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT IF YOU HAVE FULL RENTAL, THAT YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES? GOOD EVENING, MIKE CORBY FROM INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURE.
I'LL TYPICALLY AND THEN MAYBE HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS TOO, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE 1.5 SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT AND THAT'S KIND OF TESTED OUT ON OTHER PROJECTS.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE WERE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU DO HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET A WAIVER BECAUSE THE TREND RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY IS HEADING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION WHERE FEWER VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE COUNTS.
DO YOU HAVE OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN OR AT LEAST AN IDEA? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT IF YOU NEEDED MORE SPACE WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THEM ON THE SITE? OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT NEEDING MORE LAND THAN YOU HAVE UNDER YOUR CONTROL AT THIS POINT ? WE DON'T HAVE A DEFERRED AREA THAT WE CAN ADD PARKING.
IF OBVIOUSLY PARKING IS A BIG ISSUE IF IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE BASING IT ON THINGS THAT WE FEEL CAN WORK.
SO I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME OUTLETS LIKE THAT.
I NEVER THOUGHT THAT YOU NEEDED 800 AND SOME PARKING SPOTS FOR THIS UNIT.
BUT THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, HAD TO DO WITH YOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDING H 1 ON YOUR PLANS.
RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT YOUR BUILDOUT SCHEDULE IT'S NOT LISTED.
SO WHEN DID YOU HAVE INTENT TO PUT IN WHAT PHASE OF BUILDING DID YOU HAVE THAT GOING IN? THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING? I THINK I ADDRESSED IT AS BEST I COULD AND THE APPLICANT'S CHAD AND MIKE ARE HERE AS WELL AS GREG FROM KEBS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MARKETING BUILDING H IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S KIND OF THE OLD BANK SITE THAT'S GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
AND KIND OF THE RESPONSE WAS, IT'S GOING TO BE MARKETED FROM DAY ONE AND WE HOPE THAT IT'S PART OF THE INITIAL PHASE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT USER IN THERE TOO. SO I THINK AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING MORE OF A SPEC MULTI-TENANT RETAIL OR RESTAURANT.
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BUT I THINK THE INITIAL THOUGHT IS TO MARKET IT AS A SITE THAT A SINGLE USER COULD USE.SO UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE BEST WAY WE CAN ANSWER.
IT'S GOING TO BE MARKETED IMMEDIATELY.
THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE MULTIPLE USE THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S AT THE END AT PHASE FIVE OR EARLIER.
CORRECT. YEAH. JUST SO THAT IT'S LISTED IN THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AT SOME POINT .
I THINK THAT WE OUR INTENT IS THAT ONCE I THINK ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT WAS HERE IN THE LAST MEETING THAT SPOKE SAID IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET TENANTS IN THERE.
I THINK WITH THIS VISION, I THINK IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR US TO MARKET IT TO VIABLE USERS.
SURE. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR THE SITE PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED.
SURE AND SO THE KINDS OF TENANTS YOU GET ARE NOT THE KINDS OF TENNANTS YOU USED TO GET.
I MEAN, IT'S BECAUSE MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE SHOPPING IS DONE ONLINE AND THAT DOES CREATE A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHALLENGE, I THINK, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP BUILDINGS FOR THOSE KINDS OF PURPOSES.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND SOME FLEXIBILITY.
CORRECT. I THINK EVEN AMBER MADE A MENTION THAT THERE'S ANOTHER I WON'T BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO THE USER IS, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER USER IN THE AREA THAT'S LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY MOVE. AND I THINK, AGAIN, IF THEY'RE PART OF A MORE FRESHLY DEVELOPED SITE, THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPEALING TO THEM THAN WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL YOU HAD, I THINK COMMISSIONER SNYDER WAS BEFORE ME.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS TOPIC OF THE PARKING.
THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED TOO. SO YOU GO FIRST.
OK I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE CONCERNS.
I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS.
ARE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE MIXED USE RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL OR ARE THEY PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL? PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, SO THEY'D BE MORE COMPARABLE THAN A MIXED USE.
I MEAN, THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OVERLAP.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME OVERLAPPED USES.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE DON'T WANT THERE TO NOT BE ENOUGH PARKING.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON THERE ISN'T, WE WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO CONVERT SOME OF THE PARALLEL PARKING TO TO AND IF YOU WANT US TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS, THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR US TO DO AND THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPACES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, BUT WE'D PREFER TO HAVE A MORE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE LANES.
SO WE DID ADD SOME PARKING IN THE AREA WHERE THE TRAIL HEAD IS SO THAT WE'VE GOT SOME PARKING AVAILABLE AND I THINK WE WILL SIGN SOME OF THAT TO BE AVAILABLE TO USERS DURING CERTAIN HOURS.
ARE YOU MEANING THAT LIKE THE TRAILHEAD, THE PARKING WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE DOG PARK? SO WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO PARK THERE OVERNIGHT UNLESS THEY'RE A RESIDENT.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU INCLUDED IN YOUR CALCULATION THE POTENTIAL FOOD TRUCK STAGING AREA.
ARE THOSE PARKING SPACES INCLUDED IN THE IN THE PARKING COUNT OR NOT? THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE PARKING COUNT.
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AND IT LOOKS I MEAN, A CURSORY GLANCE LIKE MAYBE 30 SPACES THERE ROUGHLY.I MEAN, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO COUNT THEM, BUT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY EFFECTIVELY RENT IT TO THE RESIDENTS FOR THE PARKING.
CORRECT. AND IN THE EVENT THAT DEMAND FOR THOSE IS HIGHER THAN THAT PARKING RATE WILL RISE AND THAT WILL INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO CHOOSE OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER IT'S A BUS OR A BIKE OR A WALK OR A LYFT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT TELLS US THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH RELOOKING AT OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, A SIMILAR THING, IF I COULD STRUCK ME ABOUT THE SETBACKS.
SURE. IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE BIG REDUCTIONS AND SETBACKS FROM THE ROADS.
AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET A WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH COMMERCIAL UP AT THE ROAD.
RIGHT, WE GOT TO BE LESS STRICT ABOUT HOW FAR WE ARE FROM THE CENTER LINE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF INTERNALLY FOR US IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE.
SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRING WAIVERS ON THOSE THINGS.
AND ON THE WALKABILITY, IT LOOKS, IF I'M READING IT RIGHT, THAT THERE IS SOME NEW CROSSWALK WHAT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR ALONG HASLETT ROAD WEST OF WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS WOULD BE.
SO THANKS FOR FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT.
I NOTICED IN THE FOOD TRUCK AREA A MENTION OF HOOKUPS.
AND I WAS CURIOUS, IS THAT WATER OR ELECTRICAL? BOTH. NEITHER.
PROBABLY JUST ELECTRICAL, BUT NOTHING.
NO LIKE PERMANENT WATER, SEWER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD BE. I'M MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL.
THERE'S A PATHWAY THAT WAS SHOWN ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, I THINK IS ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR THAT KIND OF COMES DOWN THAT ACCESS ROAD AND HERE.
SO BELOW THAT, IN THE SHADED AREA BETWEEN C THREE AND C FOUR, IT'S OUTSIDE.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT, SORT OF DRIVE THAT ENDS AT THE CORNER.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY CROSSWALK CONNECTING IT TO ANY PLACE ELSE IN THE AND IT'S NOT YOUR CORNER BUT HAVING SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THAT PINE VILLAGE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SOUTHERN END IS KIND OF A BIT OF A DEAD END.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO BRING THAT UP WITH THE PINE VILLAGE FOLKS.
RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH WITH STAFF.
SO IF THEY IF THEY DO, IN FACT, CONNECT IT, WE'LL HAVE A CROSSWALK THERE AND CONNECT.
COOL. I LOVE THE CONNECTIONS TO THE INNER URBAN, THE ONE ON THE WEST MOST IT LOOKS LIKE IT CROSSES AN AWFUL LOT OF CONTOUR LINES ON ITS WAY DOWN THAT HILL. AND I'M THINKING IT MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHAPE.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE SO STEEP, MAYBE A ZIGZAG OR A SWITCHBACK.
SO THEY'LL PROBABLY BE JUST A SMALL INLET THROUGH SOME BERMING, BUT THERE IS BEHIND OR ESSENTIALLY WHERE G 1 AND G 2 ARE, THERE'S ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, GREG, MAYBE IT'S LIKE A NINE FOOT BERM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING DOWN.
SO WE STILL HAVE SOME VISUAL BLOCKAGE.
BUT SO YOU SHOULD BE KIND OF GOING WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO CLEAR THE BERM OUT THERE AND HAVE THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST MINOR THING WAS THE TRAILHEAD AT THE RESTROOMS. I GUESS THE RESTROOMS ARE GOING TO HAVE WATER.
THERE'D BE LIKE DRINKING FOUNTAIN AND FOR THE DOGS AND ALL THAT.
DRINKING FOUNTAIN RESTROOMS, THERE'LL BE A BIKE, WHAT I CALL A BIKE KIOSK THAT WILL HAVE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT YOU CAN USE TO IT'LL HAVE AN AIR PUMP, SO IT'LL HAVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN USE TO JUST KIND OF DO LIGHT MAINTENANCE ON YOUR BIKE AND THEN THERE'LL BE BENCHES IT'LL BE THE DOG PARK ITSELF WILL BE OBVIOUSLY A FENCED IN AREA THAT SOMEBODY CAN USE AND THAT WILL ALL BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
I LOVE ALL THOSE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
THE LAST THING IS MORE PHILOSOPHICAL.
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I'M CURIOUS HOW THE PROJECT WILL DEVELOP THAT STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY.I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF COMMON AREAS AND AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WILL SHARE.
THEY'LL SEE EACH OTHER. BUT IS THERE LIKE AN ASSOCIATION THAT'S ENVISIONED THAT WOULD HELP FOSTER THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITHIN THIS? WELL, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE OBVIOUS SOME PROGRAM THAT'LL GO ON.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR YOU TO EITHER SOCIALIZE OR HAVE ACTIVITIES TOGETHER OR JUST KIND OF RUN INTO EACH OTHER.
THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE HARD SURFACE COURTS, SO OTHER ACTIVITIES CAN HAPPEN ON THEM.
THERE'S AN ACTIVITY PARK IN THERE, TOO.
THE SOCIAL HUB, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE'LL BE PART OF IT THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE DIDN'T WANT THE COMMUNITY HUB TO JUST BE PURELY RESIDENT ONLY.
WE WANTED THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF CONNECTING INTO A COMMUNITY SOCIAL SPACE.
SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE THAT, BUT WE'RE KEEPING IT FLEXIBLE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT WILL BE AN EVENT SPACE THAT YOU CAN RENT AND HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THERE.
WE'RE HOPING IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL USE AS WELL AS THE PINE VILLAGE RESIDENTS.
WITH THE AMOUNT OF RENTAL SPACE FOR LIVING.
HOW TRANSIENT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF THE POPULATION THAT LIVE IN PLACES LIKE THIS? I THINK THE VARIABLE IS HOW LIVABLE IT IS.
SO I THINK HOW THE SOCIAL NETWORK IS DEVELOPED, HOW THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT.
I THINK THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.
SO TURNOVER IS NOT SOMETHING THEY.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. SO THEY WANT PEOPLE TO STAY THERE LONGER.
SO. SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THOSE INGREDIENTS KIND OF ALL ADD UP TO HOPEFULLY BETTER LIVING.
WHICH IMPACTS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY LONGEVITY.
YEAH. HAVE YOU FOLKS ACTUALLY DONE A DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTION? WHAT KIND OF PERSON IS GOING TO END UP LIVING THERE? THERE WAS A STUDY THAT THEY'RE BASING IT OFF OF.
CHAD KOSTER PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM 940 FLORAL GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN.
WE DID HAVE A MARKET STUDY DONE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE TOOK IT DOWN TO 290 WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE MORE TWO BEDROOM UNITS IN THERE RATHER THAN MORE ONE BEDROOMS. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YOUNGER PROFESSIONALS.
I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A GOOD MIX WITH, FRANKLY, OLDER PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING THE NEST.
AND BECAUSE THEIR KIDS HAVE LEFT THE NEST AND PROBABLY MOVING INTO TO AN EASIER WAY OF LIFE.
SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 28 SINGLE PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR MIX AND THEY DO THEY USUALLY HIT THAT PRETTY WELL.
SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.
YEAH. LOOKING AT YOUR UNITS, YOU HAVE 289 UNITS AND THE PARKING IS BASED ON SO MANY SPOTS PER UNIT, IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, ON AVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS DO IT MORE ON BEDROOM NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. SO I GUESS THAT'S I GUESS MY POINT HERE IS I LOOK AT THE BEDROOM DISTRIBUTION.
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IF I READ THIS RIGHT, YOU HAVE 143 AT ONE, YOU HAVE 125 AT TWO.SO YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY IN TERMS OF BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE TO MULTIPLY THAT BY TWO, CORRECT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE 450 BEDROOMS. AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE? JUST UNDER 500.
482. WHAT IS IT? AND SO I GUESS I STILL HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN ISSUE ABOUT PARKING, I GUESS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT I ALSO KNOW THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE VISITORS.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SPACES THAT ARE THE TOTAL SPACES HERE ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, PICKLEBALL OR THE TRAIL, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE WHETHER IT'S OUR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT COULD POINT US TO A COMPARABLE PROJECT THAT'S UP EXISTING AND WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE PARKING THAT AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND GET SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S A MUNICIPALITY OR WHAT JUST TO MAKE SURE I JUST I DON'T.
I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS IS THE PARKING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE OLD SCHOOL IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, BUT I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OR THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING.
AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE, WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO ON THIS SITE? AND I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE COULD DO SOME RESEARCH, EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, TO GET A COMFORT LEVEL THAT THE NUMBER THAT ARE PROJECTED HERE IS GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR ALL THE USES THAT ARE GOING ON.
OTHERWISE THE PROJECT I LIKE THE PROJECT.
MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THAT, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, ECONOMICALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR FACILITY.
IF THEY FIND OUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
HE'S ALREADY SAID THEY HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN, WHICH IS TO GO FROM PARALLEL TO AND YOU KNOW, AND JUST IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS AND CENTS, I IMAGINE THE MINUTE THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE PARKING WASN'T ADEQUATE, THEY'D START MAKING THAT MOVE.
THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION ON MY PART.
BUT IT'S ALSO IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE MARKET TO LOSE MONEY, I DON'T SUSPECT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I HEAR A CONTINGENCY PLAN.
I HEAR THEIR RATIONALE FOR THE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I THINK THAT WE CAN RAISE THESE KIND OF CONCERNS FOR A LONG TIME AND HOLD UP A PROJECT OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND ADJUST AS WE GO.
AND MY SENSE IS LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
YEAH. I GUESS I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPACES YOU COULD MAKE IN THE CHANGING FROM PARALLEL TO ANGULAR. JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF KNOWING WHAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY YOU MIGHT HAVE IN A RECONFIGURATION.
YEAH, WE COULD DO AN OVERLAY YOU KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER SITUATIONS TOO WITH SIMILAR CONCERNS.
AGAIN, THE 1.5 IS SOMETHING WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BEING PROVEN OUT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THERE IS LESS OF A NEED, THERE IS A LESS OF A NEED.
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POTENTIAL AREAS TOO TO GET MORE DENSITY OF PARKING AS AGAIN, IT'S REALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, MORE SO THAT HE CAN PROTECT HIS ABILITY TO RENT UNITS.BUT I THINK OR THEY CAN PROTECT THEIR ABILITY TO RENT UNITS.
BUT WE COULD DO THAT JUST AS A SHOWING HOW MANY MORE SPACES COULD BE ADDED IF THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN? YEAH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENT SAFETY OUTCOMES FROM PARALLEL AND ANGLED PARKING, AND I HOPE THAT WE KEEP OUR EYE ON NOT TRYING TO JAM CARS INTO A SPOT WHERE PEOPLE RUN OVER EACH OTHER FOR THE SAKE OF ACCOMMODATING THAT.
THAT BUS DOESN'T RUN VERY FREQUENTLY, BUT IT GETS YOU THERE PRETTY MUCH AS FAST AS DRIVING.
SO I THINK PEOPLE DO HAVE OPTIONS, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTERS BY CHOICE MAY ALSO BE TRANSIT AND WALKABLE BY CHOICE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO THAT'S EVEN THAT SITUATION.
THIS MAY SEEM LIKE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.
WHAT IS THE DRIVE THRU FOR? WHICH ONE? THERE ARE TWO SHOWN.
WELL, THERE'S. THE ONE ON THE CORNER IS OBVIOUSLY FOR A USER THAT MIGHT HAVE THE NEED.
COMMISSIONER SNYDER, I BELIEVE I ASKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, THE THE ACTIVITY LAWN.
IS THAT WHERE THAT WOULD BE OR NOT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT A PLAYGROUND CLOSER TO THE WHERE THE SPOOL WILL BE.
OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE PRETTY SURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLING? I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, BUT THERE ARE MORE SINGLE PARENTS NOW.
AND LIKE HAVING A SHORT DISTANCE TO WALK TO WITH YOUR KIDS IS A VERY BIG DEAL.
AGAIN, AS WE GET RESIDENTS, WE'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MIX IS.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, WE WANT AMENITIES THAT ARE GOING TO KIND OF BE APPEALING TO THE RESIDENTS AND KIND OF KEEP THEM THERE. SO IF WE GET A LOT OF YOUNGER PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE CHILDREN, THEN THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE PUT INTO THE PLAN, WHETHER IT'S ON THE NORTH END OR THE ACTIVITY [INAUDIBLE].
BUT I THINK WE'RE THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO BUILDING I.
IF WE SAY WE AGREE TO THIS AND THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME MAJOR REVISIONS, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR THAT? THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK.
YEAH, MAJOR AMENITY WOULD TRIGGER ANOTHER APPLICATION.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN THEY'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO BUILDING IT THIS WAY UNLESS THEY COME BACK TO US AN ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE? THAT IS CORRECT.
THANK YOU. THAT'S SIMILAR TO A QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.
IS THE SIX YEAR BUILDOUT PROGRAM PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS? YEAH. YES.
THIS WOULD PUT THEM IN THAT IN THAT OKAY. SO IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY ECONOMIC CONDITIONS ARE NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED, WE NEED TWO MORE YEARS, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK FOR A VARIANCE. YEAH I COULD SEE THAT.
YEAH, I THINK. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE, YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE EXPECTATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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THEY THOUGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS DONE IN SIX YEARS.NOW YOU'RE SAYING NINE, EIGHT, WHATEVER, LET'S GO.
MAYBE WE'VE GOT TO REEVALUATE.
IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, THOUGH, THERE MIGHT BE REEVALUATING THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S GOING TO COME BACK ANYWAY.
IF YOU DECIDE TO DO IT IN FIVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO THAT'S TRUTH. ALL RIGHT.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT IS PRESENTED.
SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER PREMOE.
ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
ROLL CALL. I'M SORRY. ROLL CALL.
THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL IS NOT HERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION OF GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER SNYDER DID I CALL YOU? I LOST NO, YOU DID NOT CALL ME. AND THE CHAIR VOTES.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. SO THAT CLOSES ITEM 8 A.
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 8 B TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE DECKS STATUTE.
[8B. Text Amendment 2022-10 – PUD Decks]
SO STATUTE AFTER THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED ME TO FOLLOW UP ON.SO CERTAINLY I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE DECKS, PORCHES, PATIOS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW UNDER THE ORDINANCE, AS I THOUGHT I WAS REMEMBERING CORRECTLY WHILE I WAS STANDING HERE LAST TIME, IT IS ALL UNDER SORT OF ENCROACHMENTS CURRENTLY.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT IN TALKING TO ASSISTANT PLANNER CHAPMAN, WHO HAS HANDLED MULTIPLE ONES OF THESE OVER THE YEARS, IS THAT DECKS APOLOGIES? DECKS ARE REALLY THE ONLY REQUEST WE GET UNDER THIS BECAUSE PORCHES DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT IF THEY'RE FLAT TO THE GROUND.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE CHANGING THOSE IN THESE PUD SITUATIONS, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IT.
AND SO IT'S BEING DONE WITHOUT OUR AUTHORIZATION TO BEGIN WITH.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO ADDRESS IT.
IN FACT, THIS WOULD FUNCTIONALLY, BY MAKING THIS CHANGE, MAKE THOSE ALL LEGAL ALL OF A SUDDEN.
BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? IS THERE ANY MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.
COMMISSIONER TREZISE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
DO A ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.
IT'S MOVING UP THE LIST QUICKLY.
ALL RIGHT. THAT CLOSES OUT UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? WE HAVE NONE THIS EVENING.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE THEN ON ITEM 10 REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.
[10A. Township Board update.]
I WILL SAY THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAS NOW ADOPTED IN TOTALITY THE SERIES OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKED ON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.SO THOSE ARE ALL IN PLACE NOW, INCLUDING HAVING ALREADY DIVERTED ONE ZBA CASE AROUND THE LAKE.
BUT AS WE ARE FINDING, IT IS NOT A PANACEA.
AS I SAID, IT IS NOT A PANACEA.
WE HAVE A REQUEST COMING FORWARD THAT'S FOUND A BIT OF A LOOPHOLE IN WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED .
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS MAIN STRUCTURES, HOUSES, BECAUSE AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SPOTS WHERE THE GARAGE IS PROMINENT AND DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE.
AND SO IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT AVERAGING SETBACK REQUIREMENT THAT WE INSTALLED.
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SO NOT A PANACEA BUT IS ALREADY HELPING.THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAS ALSO HAD THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THE BICKFORD PROPOSAL AND THAT WILL BE GOING BACK TO THEM FOR A FINAL DECISION AT UPCOMING MEETINGS.
THE TOWNSHIP HAS VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NO MORE THAN $1.25 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AS IT RELATES TO THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS PROJECT. AND THEY ARE CONSIDERING THE ADOPTION OF A COMMERCIAL REHABILITATION DISTRICT FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT.
FUNCTIONALLY, JUST BY WAY OF THE DISCUSSION BRIEFLY HERE, THE CRA IT WILL NOT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT WILL ACT LIKE IT WILL FREEZE THEIR TAXES FOR TEN YEARS.
SO THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PAY TAXES ON AT THE CURRENT RATE.
AND THEN IN THAT 11TH YEAR, FUNCTIONALLY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WILL EVERYONE WILL GET A WINDFALL BECAUSE THERE'LL BE NOW A PROJECT THAT WAS BUILT AND ALL THE TAXES WILL COME INTO PLAY THEN.
SO IT'S NOT ANY MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S NOT ANY MONEY OUT OF THE TOWNSHIP'S COFFERS.
IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE IT'S BECOMING A MORE COMMON WAY TO DO THESE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET INTO THE COMPLICATIONS OF SOME OF THE OTHER ACTS OR DIRECT FUNDING FROM THE EDCS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S OK. WE'LL CONTINUE TO TAKE WHAT WE GET NOW.
SO THAT IS THE CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW.
NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD FROM THE TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE RIGHT NOW.
THE BOARD HAD PLANNED TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONS THAT WAS ABRUPTLY CANCELED.
DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'VE PLANNED A NEW.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SNYDER. WELL SIMILARLY, THIS KIND OF LEADS INTO LIAISON REPORTS.
I JUST I WAS CURIOUS WHEN THE NEXT TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT WAS CANCELED? THAT ONE WAS CANCELED. ABRUPTLY AS WELL.
WE ARE TRYING TO COORDINATE THE ANNUAL CATA REPORT AS WELL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO WE ORIGINALLY SAID, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT VERY SHORTLY.
GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THAT WAS ITEM TEN A ITEM TEN B LIAISON REPORTS.
[10B. Liaison reports.]
ARE THERE ANY. NO.SO WE'RE NOW CLOSING ITEM TEN.
[11. PROJECT UPDATES]
ITEM 11, PROJECT UPDATES 11 A IS 3560 HEWLETT ROAD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.YUP. YOU'LL SEE THIS AT, I BELIEVE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
THE LITTLE LITTLE TINY DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL AND HEWLETT ROAD.
IT'S THE OLD FARM PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FARMHOUSE FOR THOSE THAT ARE WONDERING.
ANY SITE PLANS RECEIVED? YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOMETHING IN LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO EVEN SEE WHAT IT WAS.
A CHURCH CHURCH PARKING LOT, I BELIEVE.
NOTHING OF HUGE SOCIAL AND POLITICAL IMPORT, BUT STILL VERY IMPORTANT.
AND ANY SITE PLANS APPROVED, WE'VE NOT APPROVED ANYTHING LATELY.
ALL RIGHT. THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 13, WHICH IS THE ADJOURNMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOVE.
COMMISSIONER PREMOE MOVES TO THE ADJOURNED SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
I DID.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.