May 09, 2022 Planning Commission

ALL RIGHT. IT IS 7:00.

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FIRST ITEM WILL BE THE ROLL CALL.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PREMOE IS ABSENT.

COMMISSIONER HENDRICKSON IS NO LONGER A MEMBER.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

PRESENT. VICE CHAIR TREZISE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SNYDER WILL NOT BE PRESENT TONIGHT AND I AM THE CHAIR.

I AM PRESENT. SO THIS MEETING IS NOW IN ORDER.

WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT.

DO EITHER OF YOU GENTLEMEN WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. THEN AT THIS POINT, I WILL CLOSE ITEM THREE PUBLIC REMARKS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL MOVES TO APPROVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SUPPORT. SUPPORTED BY VICE CHAIR TREZISE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AGENDA, SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED NONE.

SO THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 25 REGULAR MEETING.

MOVE APPROVAL. APPROVAL MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

I HAD A COUPLE OF YES. DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? JUST A REAL SHORT ONE.

I WAS LISTED AS BEING ABSENT, BUT YET I'M MAKING MOTIONS.

YOU WERE PRESENT. NO QUESTION.

WE'LL MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. APRIL 25TH MINUTES.

YES.

SHE WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE.

SHE WAS 5 MINUTES LATE.

MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN.

YEAH, SHE'S ACTUALLY NOT LISTED AT THE TOP.

OK EVEN WORSE.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL YOU HAD AN ISSUE.

YEAH. THE LAST LINE ON THE SECOND PAGE, ITEM 7A

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

I WAS MAKING TWO POINTS AT AT THAT POINT IN THE MEETING.

ONE WAS ABOUT THE PREFERRING NATIVE SPECIES FOR THE PLANTING PLAN, AND THE OTHER HAD TO DO WITH PLANTING TREES ON THE

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

VERY GOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR AMENDMENTS SUGGESTED TO THE PREVIOUS MINUTES? NO. THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR WITH THE SUGGESTED CHANGES? AYE.

ANY OPPOSITION? NO. THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 25 MEETING ARE APPROVED.

COMMUNICATIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS? WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE NOW ONTO ITEM 7 PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I HAVE 7 A IS THE PUD DECKS TEXT AMENDMENT.

SO THIS IS ADMITTEDLY THE MOST TECHNICAL AMENDMENT I WILL PROBABLY BRING FORWARD TO YOU FOR A WHILE.

SO THIS POPS UP ONCE A YEAR, TWICE A YEAR MAYBE.

AND WE, KEITH, ASSISTANT PLANNER CHAPMAN AND I WERE READY TO ADDRESS IT LAST YEAR AND WE GOT TIED UP AND STUFF.

WE FORGOT. AND SO THEN THE APPLICATION CAME FORWARD THIS YEAR AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THIS AMENDMENT.

SO THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC SCENARIO.

CONDOS, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES ARE PROBABLY A GENERAL CONDOMINIUM.

GENERAL CONDOMINIUM BEING THAT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE AREA IS LIMITED TO GENERALLY THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONSIDERED LIMITED COMMON ELEMENT, RIGHT? WHAT THAT DOES IS IT PUTS DECKS SUCH AS THIS ONE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDABLE ENVELOPE OF THE STRUCTURE AND UNDER THE PUD ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD EVERY TIME SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE THEIR DECK.

WHAT WE FOUND IS EVERY YEAR THIS COMES UP BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY, A LOT OF THESE DECKS ARE OLDER AND SOMEWHAT SMALLER.

AND SO EVERY EVERY TIME SOMEBODY GOES TO EXPAND ONE OF THEM OR MODIFY THE ONE IN ANY WAY, EVEN IF IT'S TO GO FROM AN EIGHT BY TEN TO A TEN BY EIGHT, IT REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT TO THE

[7A. PUD Decks – Text Amendment]

AND EVERY TIME IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WHEN I GOT HERE WAS DO A MINOR AMENDMENT FOR HASLETT VILLAGE MUPUD, VILLAGE OF OKEMOS MUPUD, AND A NICE OLDER WOMAN WHO WANTED TO BUILD A DECK ON THE BACK OF HER HOUSE.

AND I WAS ASKED AT THE MEETING, WHY IS SHE HERE?

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WHAT THIS DOES IS IT WILL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY TO ADDRESS THESE VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES OF THESE OLD SCHOOL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.

THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE THAT DEX, NOT TO EXCEED 10% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE APPROVED, ESSENTIALLY ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THEY WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

AND WE CAN GO FORWARD.

WE CAN ALL GO ABOUT OUR MERRY WAY THEN.

STAFF HAS NO MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THIS.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD SO WE CAN GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION.

IT'S THE THE THIRD WHEREAS.

I THINK EARLIER YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING A DECK TO ENCROACH NO MORE THAN 10%.

IT'S READING INTO THE OPEN SPACE THAT IS 10% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE.

I JUST WAS WONDERING IF YOU WANTED TO SAY NOT TO EXCEED 10%.

YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD, THAT IS NO MORE THAN.

YEAH. IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS MAY SEEM SILLY, BUT IS THE WORD DECK DEFINED ANYWHERE? I BELIEVE SO.

I BELIEVE IT IS DEFINED UNDER THE ENCROACHMENTS.

I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE DEFINITION SECTION IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

LET ME EXPLAIN WHY I ASK.

PLEASE. WE ALL HAVE AN IMAGE IN OUR MIND.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE WORD DECK.

HOWEVER, I CAN GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE.

IN MY HOUSE, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THERE WAS A WOODEN DECK IN THE BACK.

WE ULTIMATELY RIPPED THAT DECK OUT, AND IN THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE DECK PREVIOUSLY EXISTED, WE POURED A CONCRETE PAD AND ERECTED A SCREENED IN PATIO.

SO IS THE PATIO A SUBSTITUTE DECK? IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT UNDER THE CODE OR IS IT JUST A DECK OF A DIFFERENT COLOR? I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, AND I'M GOING TO, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.

[LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL'S QUESTION RAISED ONE FOR ME TOO.

IN THE CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE, IT SAYS 10 FOOT 10% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

BUT IN OUR RESOLUTION IT SAYS HOUSE, DOES THAT MATTER AND SHOULD THEY BE CONSISTENT OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT.

NO.

OK. IT'S US TRYING NOT TO WRITE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THANKS. YEAH, I DIDN'T HAVE A PREFERENCE WHICH ONE.

I JUST THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE SIMILAR IF THEY.

UNDERSTOOD. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK THIS IS A MATTER THAT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO OUR CONSIDERATION AFTER YOU'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES.

WE'VE GOT OUR MARCHING ORDERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT IS THE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ISSUE? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 8, WHICH IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

STARTING WITH 8A RELATES TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT 22-05-11 AT THE BICKFORD HOUSE AT 3830 AND 3836 OKEMOS ROAD.

THANK YOU. THERE WAS REALLY NO MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DURING THE DISCUSSION ON APRIL 25TH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WANT TO CLARIFY WAS THAT THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VARIANCES THAT WERE GRANTED. THERE WAS ONE VARIANCE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED.

IT WAS A VERY LIMITED VARIANCE FOR THE LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.

AND IT WAS A VERY IT WAS AN INTERESTING INTERPRETATION.

IT WAS THE AREA AROUND THE FRONT ENTRANCE HAD MORE CONCRETE THAT I THINK PEOPLE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH.

AND SO THEY REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR APPROXIMATELY 90 FOR THE 24 FEET OF 4 FEET LANDSCAPING, SO 96 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PUT DOUBLE OF THAT BACK.

SO 192 SQUARE FEET THAT WAS PUT IN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

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AND SO AS PART OF ANY REVIEW THEY ARE, THERE WAS NO DEFINITIVE LOCATION REQUIRED FOR THAT.

SO THEY WILL NEED TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL 192 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AS PART OF THE MODIFICATION GOING FORWARD.

[8A. Special Use Permit #22-05-011 – 3830 & 3836 Okemos Road – Bickford House Expansion]

SUBJECT TO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, 8A IS AN ITEM THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FINAL SAY ON 8B DOES GO TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD FOR FINAL DECISION.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

YEAH, I BETWEEN MEETINGS HERE WENT OVER AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN AND ITS HIGH, YOU KNOW, IT SLOPES DOWN.

BUT IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE LOT TO THE NORTH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE BUILDING, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME PICTURING HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BOWL THAT OUT OR HOW ARE THEY GOING, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BEING BUILT INTO A SIDE HILL ALMOST TO THE NORTH.

I'LL LET THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER DISCUSS IT.

THERE WILL BE SOME SUBSTANTIAL GRADE CUT, I EXPECT.

YEAH.

GREG PETRU 2116 HASLETT ROAD.

SO YEAH, I MEAN WITH THE HILL, HOW IT GOES UP ON THAT SIDE.

I MEAN WE'RE PLANNING ON TAKING OUT A LOT OF THAT DIRT AND ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING WILL CONTINUE AT THE SAME ELEVATION, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP OFF TO CREATE A FEW STORMWATER AREAS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SLOPING HILL.

IT'LL JUST KIND OF EXTEND DOWN.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOT OF DIRT OFF.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A RETENTION POND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS IT'S ADDED TO? THERE WILL BE A FEW STORMWATER FEATURES, NOT A REAL BIG POND.

BUT YEAH, I'M JUST WONDERING, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE STEEP THERE DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED AMOUNT IN TERMS OF GOING NORTH. SO WERE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING SOME SORT OF A BARRIER FENCE OR SOMETHING AROUND THAT CATCH BASIN OR THE POND OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AS A DRY PLACE WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO CATCH THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A SLOPE.

I'M JUST WONDERING, I CAN SEE SOME ISSUES JUST TRYING TO LANDSCAPE THAT IF IT'S GOT GRASS, TRYING TO CUT IT.

I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ENGINEER THAT? WELL, I THINK WE HAD I THINK WE'RE SHOWING LIKE 5 TO 1 SLOPES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO OR 3 TO 1, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STABILIZE THE BANK.

AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE USING SOME NATIVE LANDSCAPING AND TRYING TO USE SOME DIFFERENT PLANT MATERIALS THAT WILL HELP STABILIZE THAT HILL.

OKAY. THE OTHER THING I DID NOTICE IS I BELIEVE THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A DOUBLE ROW OF TREES ALONG THE BACK AND THEN THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO OF THOSE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE LARGER NOW BECAUSE OF GROWTH OVER TIME, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE MUST HAVE DIED OR IT'S GONE.

AND SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A DOUBLE ROW ACROSS THE WHOLE BACK THEN? I GUESS I'D ASK STAFF, WHAT'S THE.

INTERLOCKING? YEAH. SO THEY'RE FUNCTIONALLY PROPOSING TO EXTEND THAT LANDSCAPE TREATMENT TO THE NORTH AS YOU CAN SEE BY THESE.

YEAH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY FROM KIND OF WHERE THE EXISTING TREES GO AND THEN WHERE THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE WE'RE JUST GOING TO EXTEND THOSE.

YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE ROW THOUGH, RIGHT.

THAT'S WELL THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S THERE.

THEY'RE STAGGERED, BUT IT'S A SINGLE ROWER, AGAIN, WALKING BEHIND THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THERE FOR MOST OF IT, THERE'S A DOUBLE ROW OF TREES.

MY. I DON'T KNOW IF I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION BEING UP THERE.

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SIDE WAS THERE.

AT LEAST THAT'S MY OPINION.

OK.

IS THERE. WE GOT A PICTURE OF KIND OF THE EXISTING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

YEAH. IT'S A VERY GOOD BARRIER RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, THERE IS ONE SPOT.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ONE TREE THAT'S IN THERE THAT'S MISSING ALMOST.

CAN WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, IT'S FINE.

NAILED IT. THERE YOU GO. [LAUGHTER] BUT YOU CAN'T SEE WHETHER THAT'S TWO OR ONE.

I TOOK THIS YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST ONE ROW.

THAT STAYED.

I THINK IT'LL GROW IN LIKE IT'LL BE PRETTY.

IT'LL BE LIKE TWO JUST LIKE IT IS NOW, I THINK.

YEAH.

THIS IS THE SOUTH EMBANKMENT NEAR THE DETENTION POND.

AND THIS IS THE FENCE THAT WE HAVE AROUND GOOD PORTION OF THE DETENTION POND, THE EXISTING DETENTION POND IT'S PUT THERE FOR SAFETY.

IF I COULD ADD, I BELIEVE THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

BUT I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT INCLUDED IN THE NEW DESIGN ON THE OTHER SIDE KIND OF MATCH, AMONGST OTHER THINGS.

THANK YOU. THANKS. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YEAH. AS LONG AS THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE.

I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE IN THE LETTER DATED MAY 3, A SERIES OF MODIFICATIONS PLAN TO THE EXISTING SITE PLAN THAT ADDRESS THE NATIVE SPECIES AND THE THIRD OF THOSE NEW AND REPLACEMENT TREES.

I'M SORRY. THE FOURTH OF THOSE EMBANKMENTS WILL BE STABILIZED BY VEGETATION AND NATIVE TREES.

ARE THOSE EMBANKMENTS THE ONES THAT COMMISSIONER RICHARDS WAS SPEAKING TO? OKAY. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT SIMPLE ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CONDITION IN OUR RESOLUTION THAT SPECIFIES THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE PART OF THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION? YES, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE.

I WOULD SAY ADD A SIX CONDITION THAT INCORPORATING ALL THE CHANGES THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AS OF THEIR MAY THREE, 2002 LETTER.

YOU ALSO HAD YOUR HAND UP? COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST WHEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT THE GRADE CHANGE TO THE NORTH, THAT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS 16 BED MEMORY CARE WILL BE ONE STORY.

CORRECT. AND THAT IT'LL BE CONTINUAL LEVEL GRADE.

CORRECT.

IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING.

YES. SO THAT KIND OF ANSWERS.

WHAT'S GOING TO NEED TO TAKE PLACE WITH THE GRADE.

CORRECT? YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO DIG A LOT OF DIRT OUT.

YEAH. OKAY.

THEY'RE CUTTING OUT ABOUT HALF.

YEAH. YEAH.

IF I COULD JUST TO CLARIFY, THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP IS THAT THE GRADE IS ACTUALLY THERE'S A HILL RIGHT THERE.

SO IT'S IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A FAIR ELEVATION INCREASE AS YOU GO NORTH.

OH, YEAH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT A GOOD PORTION OF THAT.

I KNOW. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SLOW IT BACK DOWN.

RIGHT. YOU WOULD THINK.

RIGHT. I WALKED IT THIS AFTERNOON AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WALKING IN A BOWL, BUT IT'S A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY NICE FACILITY.

IT'S JUST YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A BOWL.

BUT.

CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? I BELIEVE THE.

I REALIZE WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FILL THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR MAJOR EXPENSE.

THAT'S THE BIG ONE AND WILL BE THE POTENTIAL BARRIER FOR THE PROJECT.

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I THINK THEY'RE, I DON'T BELIEVE IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME THAT IT'S THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.

IT LOOKS DIFFERENT, THAT'S FOR SURE.

OKAY. AT THE TOP OF THE HILL WAS FAIRLY LEVEL ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SITE.

IT'S LIKE A RIM.

YEAH. YEAH. IN THE STREET, NEW SALEM, WHICH IS THE FIRST STREET YOU HIT WHEN YOU GO EAST, IS AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE TOP OF THE HILL.

YES. YES. ROUGHLY.

AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CREATE AN INSTABILITY BY TAKING OUT THAT DIRT, THEN I DON'T SEE IT AS A MAJOR ISSUE.

NO. AND THESE ARE VERY DETAILED ENGINEERING ISSUES THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

JUST WE REVIEW AND APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OCCASIONALLY A NUMBER OF PROJECTS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS PROJECT TO ME SEEMS TO BE PURELY OF BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A LOT LIKE PUTTING IN A HOSPITAL.

I HAVE FAMILY EXPERIENCE WITH ELDERLY, WITH SEVERE MEMORY LOSS, AND THEY NEED HELP.

AND THIS IS A FACILITY THAT'S DESIGNED TO DO THAT.

AND AS LONG AS LIKE I SAID, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CREATE A PHYSICAL INSTABILITY IN THE TERRAIN, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT'S THE NEXT.

MOTION.

I MOVED TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2205011 REQUEST TO ADD 9,488 SQUARE FEET TO THE BUILDING AT 3830 OKEMOS ROAD AND INCORPORATE THE PROPERTY AT 3836 OKEMOS ROAD INTO THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION, INCLUDING THE CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT IN THEIR LETTER OF MAY 3RD MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

IS THERE A SECOND TO SUPPORT.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE? ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THE MOTION? JUST VERY BRIEFLY, THANKING THE APPLICANT FOR HEARING THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AGREEING TO MODIFY THE SITE PLANS ACCORDINGLY.

THAT'S GREAT, APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW CALL FOR THE VOTE.

WE NEED A ROLL CALL. YES.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YES. COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

YES. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

YES. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

YES. COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES.

THE MOTION IS PASSED.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. ALL RIGHT.

WE NOW MOVE ON TO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ITEM B, DON'T WE? WE DO. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE NEED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT OR IS WE JUST GO TO A MOTION? THIS IS SIMPLY THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE BUILDING GREATER THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW GREATER THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

NOW, IF WE RECOMMEND IT, IT STILL GOES BEFORE THE BOARD.

THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS THE FINAL ARBITER OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.

IS THERE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO ITEM 8B? SO MOVED.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS MOVES THE APPROVAL OF ITEM 8B IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER CORDILL SECONDS? LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YES. COMMISSIONER CORDILL YES.

COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

YES. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

YES. COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES.

THAT MOTION IS PASSED.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM 8C HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA.

YES. SO WHAT I ORIGINALLY WAS GOING TO SAY IS IF THERE WAS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, THAT I WOULD ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. I DON'T BELIEVE MR. PETRU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS RIGHT NOW UNLESS HE DOES.

WE IT APPEARS TO BE A SCHEDULING CONFLICT WITH THE APPLICANT.

BOTH OF THE PRINCIPALS WERE UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING.

[8B. Special Use Permit #22-051 – 3830 & 3836 Okemos Road – Bickford House Expansion, structure greater than 25,000 square feet]

AND WE WILL BRING THIS BACK AS SOON AS WE GET THE SCHEDULE SQUARED AWAY.

THERE'S NO ACTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO TAKE THIS EVENING, BUT WE WOULD SIMPLY TELL YOU IT WILL BE BACK.

THIS ISN'T SOME DEATH OF THE PROJECT.

THIS IS JUST A BIT OF A SCHEDULING SNAFU.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

WELL, THEN THAT BRINGS US UP TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM 8D TEMPORARY CONTAINERS.

HI.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK ON APRIL 11TH.

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SO WE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT LED TO SOME DISCUSSION THAT AND THAT RESPONSE RESULTED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU.

THERE SEEMS SOME DESIRE TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN DUMPSTERS AND PODS, IF YOU WILL.

[8C. Mixed-Use Planned Unit Development #22014 – 1621 & 1625 Haslett Road – Haslett Village]

SO WE ADDED I PULLED I JUST SIMPLY PULLED THIS DEFINITION FROM ANOTHER EXAMPLE PORTABLE ONSITE DELIVERABLE STORAGE UNITS, ALSO KNOWN AS PODS, TO MAKE THAT MORE DISTINCT FROM THE TEMPORARY CONTAINERS.

AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, YOU SHOULD HAVE A RED LINE.

CORRECT? DID THAT GO THROUGH THIS TIME? EXCELLENT. WE FIGURED THAT TECHNICAL GLITCH OUT.

THE POD IN THE FRONT YARD MUST BE ON OUR DRIVEWAY OR HARD SURFACE AREA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

HOWEVER, THE TEMPORARY CONTAINER UNIT THERE WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

THESE ARE MORE COMMERCIAL IN SIZE.

YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THEY CAN BE PLACED IN THE FRONT YARD OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE APPROVAL AGAIN WITH THE APPROVAL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

[8D. Temporary Containers – Text Amendment]

THAT'S FINE. THERE'S NO FORMAL PERMITTING.

BUT YOU DO NEED PERMISSION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

I THINK THAT COVERED THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE CASE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, IT'D BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ENFORCEMENT CASE.

WE WOULD CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY WOULD BE THE ONES IT'D BE ON THEM TO FIND OUT WHO'S WHICH TENANTS POD IS THAT OR WHICH TENANTS CONTAINER IS THAT AND THEY BUT OUR RESPONSE, OUR ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT AGAINST THE APARTMENT PERSON.

THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT ON THE TENANT.

IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS, WE STILL NEED TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CAN FINALIZE THIS AND PROBABLY FIRST MEETING IN JUNE, WE'D HAVE THIS BACK.

COMMISSIONER TREZISE. I THINK IT'S QUITE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT CAME THE LAST TIME.

THANK YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE PROBLEM, BUT AS WE DISCUSSED IT, IT GOT MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED.

AND WITH MR. SCHMITT OUT OF TOWN HIDING, HE LEFT YOU HANGING OUT HERE ALL ALONE? IT WASN'T THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE.

SO I COMMEND YOU ON YOUR EFFORTS.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS IT ADVISABLE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IN THE CASE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, THAT IT IS THE BUILDING OWNER? AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU AS TO WHICH YOU THINK IS MORE PRACTICAL FROM YOUR STANDPOINT.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO GIVE THAT KIND OF NOTICE TO THE APARTMENT OWNER.

WELL, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, A DERELICT CAR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS, THAT WOULD BE OUR ROUTE ANYWAY.

THAT'S OUR DEFAULT ROUTE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT HERE FOR THIS.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU.

YOU GUYS HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YEAH. I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S IMPORTANT OR NOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ENDING UP WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT USES TERMINOLOGY THAT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS BASICALLY A REGISTERED TRADEMARK.

SO IT KIND OF FEELS COULD BE INTERPRETED AS IF WE'RE TARGETING A PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT PROVIDES THIS SERVICE.

AND I WONDER IF THERE'S KIND OF A PRACTICE IN ORDINANCE WRITING THAT TO AVOID LANGUAGE THAT IS SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR FIRM THAT OFFERS THIS SERVICE.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, WE CAN DO THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT I COPIED AND PASTED THIS FROM ANOTHER ORDINANCE.

THE PODS HAS BECOME VERY COLLOQUIAL IN ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.

OK. LIKE YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH WHO DOES THIS YOU'RE GOING TO FIND REFERENCES TO AT TEN TIMES.

IT'S LIKE A FACIAL TISSUE OR IS IT A KLEENEX? YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE.

I MEAN, INTERESTING QUESTION, THOUGH.

YEAH. AND YOU'LL NOTE, TOO, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, IT DOESN'T DEFAULT TO THE BRAND NAME .

THE DEFINITION IS PORTABLE ONSITE DELIVERABLE STORAGE UNIT.

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THAT'S A BROAD THING.

THEY'RE ALSO KNOWN AS PODS.

YOU SEE, IF THAT'S CAUSING HEARTBURN, THEN WE CAN PULL THAT LITTLE BIT OUT.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS CLARIFIES MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT.

YEAH I AGREE THAT PHRASE DOES THAT.

ALSO KNOWN AS OUR COMMONLY KNOWN AS EITHER WAY.

SURE, SURE. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU DID.

AND I LIKE SORT OF CLARIFYING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN LIKE A DUMPSTER AND A POD.

BUT IT APPEARS THAT IN JUST ABOUT EVERY PLACE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, OH, NO, NEVER MIND, YOU ADDRESSED IT IN THE LINE F AND G.

SO A POD HAS TO BE HERE.

THE TEMPORARY CONTAINER HAS TO.

SO THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.

BUT OTHERWISE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME REGULATION.

OK. THEY ARE. YEAH, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COMMONLY SEE.

THE DISTINCTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS THEN? REFER IT BACK TO STAFF.

OKAY.

YEAH. WE'LL REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF AND BRING IT BACK AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT, THEN. SO THAT'S 109.

I KEEP GOING UP AND DOWN HERE.

SO NOW WE ARE ON ITEM 8E, THE BATH TOWNSHIP MASTER PLAN.

SO AT YOUR LAST MEETING, WE GAVE YOU A MEMO.

BATH TOWNSHIP IS AN ADJACENT COMMUNITY AND PER MICHIGAN PLANNING LAW, THEY ARE IN THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THEIR DRAFT MASTER PLAN. SO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND OTHER AGENCIES ARE OFFICIALLY ON THE CLOCK TO RESPOND WITH ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE THAT WITH THAT DRAFT MASTER PLAN.

I GAVE YOU A LINK.

I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY CONTACT ME AND ASK ME FOR A HARD COPY OR LIKE A WHERE IS THIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE DID SAY THAT TONIGHT WE DISCUSSED THAT.

I TO THAT END, WE PUT A DRAFT LETTER THAT THE RESPONSE WILL COME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'S WHY IT SAYS MARK BLUMER CHAIR TO DAN KRAMER CHAIR IN BATH TOWNSHIP.

WE DID TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO START YOU WITH ONE COMMENT ON PAGE 48 OF THAT DRAFT PLAN.

THE THIRD PARAGRAPH SAYS THAT LAKES, STREAMS AND WETLANDS IN BATH TOWNSHIP ARE FOUND IN THE WATER FEATURES MAP AT THE END OF CHAPTER THREE.

IT'S MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THE MAP IS FOUND AT THE END OF THE NATURAL FEATURES CHAPTER, SINCE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY NUMBER THEIR CHAPTERS.

[8E. Bath Township Master Plan – Discussion]

TYPICAL BATH TOWNSHIP. [LAUGHTER] IT'S AS A MATTER OF NATURAL FEATURES IN AN ADJACENT COMMUNITY. I FEEL LIKE WE OUGHT TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT, IF ANYTHING, IS ON OUR BORDER.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. YEAH.

THANKS FOR CATCHING THAT.

I SAW THE SAME THING AND ACTUALLY THEY DID A VERY SIMILAR THING WITH REFERENCE TO THEIR NON-MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION MAP THAT WAS SAID TO BE FOLLOWING THAT SECTION.

BUT I COULDN'T FIND ONE.

CAN'T. COULDN'T FIND.

THAT'S A YEAH. A GOOD POINT.

YEAH. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEIR NON-MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE WANT CONNECTIVITY, RIGHT? IF WE'RE BUILDING OUR OWN AND THEY'RE BUILDING THEIRS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN LINE.

AND SO.

YEAH. SO THEY CAN MEET UP.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT BATH TOWNSHIP IS NOT JUST A DIFFERENT TOWNSHIP, BUT IT'S, IN A DIFFERENT COUNTY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE COUNTY ROADS COULD LINE UP OR IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LAYERS OF DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL UNITS.

IT'S A GOOD POINT.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE UNTIL THEY'RE PULLED OVER HEADING SOUTH, AT PARK LAKE ROAD ACTUALLY DROPS 20 MILES AN HOUR AT THE BORDER.

YOU LEARN THE HARD WAY. [LAUGHTER] IT'S A FUNDRAISER.

BUT IF YOU SEND A LETTER YOU'LL GET OUT OF THE TICKET.

[00:35:04]

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

IS THERE A COMMENT THAT YOU.

NOT SPECIFICALLY.

BUT JUST TO BE AWARE.

RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO END UP REVIEWING THIS AS WELL.

OK THE CLINTON COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION AS WELL OR I'M SORRY.

SORRY, THEY'RE PLANNING COMMISSION.

ACTUALLY, THEIR ROAD COMMISSION MIGHT THEIR ROAD COMMISSION IS PROBABLY GOT THIS, TOO.

YOU WOULD THINK SO.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES INSIDE.

I THINK ROAD COMMISSIONS ARE PART OF THAT LIST.

YEAH. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I SERVED AS THE SECRETARY OF THE BOARD AND IT WASN'T SECRETARY FOR MINUTES.

IT WAS AND SO SIGNING ALL THOSE LETTERS TO THE VARIOUS AGENCIES.

I MEAN, ANYTHING FROM LIKE CSX TO NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND SO FORTH.

RIGHT.

BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE MADE AWARE OF.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT.

IF WE'RE WRITING A LETTER, WE MIGHT COMPLEMENT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WELL, THEY'VE SPECIFIED AS ONE OF THEIR GOALS TO CREATE A WETLAND ORDINANCE TO PROTECT PRIORITY WETLANDS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HAS KIND OF TAKEN THE LEAD.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE OTHER SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES BUILDING OFF OF THAT.

THEIR SECOND ACTION ITEM ON GOAL THREE WAS DRAFT THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE FOR NEW COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS TO BETTER MANAGE STORMWATER IN AN AESTHETIC WAY. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT WAS ALSO MANAGING STORMWATER IN LIGHT OF EXPECTED CHANGES IN OUR CLIMATE.

I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO WRITE THIS COULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST ONE? GOAL THREE ACTION TWO.

OH OK. MANAGE STORMWATER IN AN AESTHETIC WAY.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT ALSO INCORPORATED EXPECTATIONS FOR CHANGING CLIMATE.

AND ONE OTHER SIMILAR AREA THAT I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM IS THAT THEIR GOAL SEVEN ACTION ONE IS TO REVIEW THE ZONING.

ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDED AS NECESSARY TO ALLOW FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING SUCH AS TOWNHOUSES AND MULTIPLEXES, WHERE APPROPRIATE.

AND I THINK WE RECENTLY CHANGED OUR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

AND HAVE I GOT THAT RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY HAD AN URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

THEY SAY THEY DO. THEY DO. BUT I COULDN'T SEE IT ON THE MAPS.

MAYBE I DIDN'T LOOK CLOSELY ENOUGH.

IS ROSE LAKE IN BATH TOWNSHIP? YES. YES.

YEAH, IT IS.

WAIT. YEAH.

YEAH, I DON'T SEE THEIR URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY ON THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

I DON'T SEE IT ON THERE.

I'M SORRY. I WAS WRITING THAT.

WHAT. I DON'T SEE THEIR URBAN SURFACE BOUNDARY ON ANY OF THEIR MAPS.

OKAY. DULY NOTED.

JUST GOT TO PROVE TO HIM THAT WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW? EXACTLY. [LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? NO.

I'LL REDRAFT THIS LETTER AND BRING IT BACK AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN OUR LAST ITEM UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS ITEM 8F ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS LIAISON APPOINTMENT.

SHOULD WE DO THAT WITH COMMISSIONER PREMOE NOT HERE? WELL, HE DID OFFER AT THE LAST MEETING, SO.

YEAH HE DID.

BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS.

I LOOKED INTO IT. THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PROCESS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HISTORICALLY APPOINTED THEIR OWN MEMBER TO THE ZBA, WHEREAS THE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE STATUTE, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD APPOINTS THE BROWNFIELD AUTHORITY. SO IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THEN I THINK THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT PLANNING COMMISSIONER PREMOE TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

SO MOVED. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER RICHARDS SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

WELL, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ANYWAY.

SO. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

[00:40:03]

YES. REALIZING HE HAD VOLUNTEERED AT THE LAST MEETING.

YEAH. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY. YES.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

YES. COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES ALSO.

SO COMMISSIONER PREMOE IS NOW THE DULY APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

AND DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE BROWNFIELD?

[8F. Zoning Board of Appeals Liaison – Appointment]

I WILL GET THAT TO THE SUPERVISOR.

OKAY. AGAIN THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER TREZISE TO THE BROWNFIELDS BOARD.

SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER RICHARDS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THIS ONE.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. YES.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

YES. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

YES. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

YES. COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

YES. AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES AS WELL.

THIS MOTION IS ALSO APPROVED.

OKAY. SO WE NOW CLOSE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

MOVE ON TO ITEM 9, OTHER BUSINESS MASTER PLAN REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS AND I WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU EARLY AND JUST HAVE YOU START THINKING ABOUT IT.

AND THERE'S REALLY WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU WANT THIS EVENING.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID EARLY ON IN PREPPING FOR THIS MASTER PLAN UPDATE IS THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO SEE HOW COVID SHAKES OUT TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, IT'S GOING TO BE SUMMER, A SUMMER LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL TYPE ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE WE CAN HOPEFULLY DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OUTDOORS GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON.

SO WHAT I'M DOING IS JUST WANTED TO START LAYING THAT GROUNDWORK AND STAFF IS WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER A FORMAL RFP AND WE WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN PUBLIC OUTREACH.

I MEAN, CLEARLY SOCIAL MEDIA HAS CHANGED THE EVEN SINCE THE LAST UPDATE IN 17 HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO PUBLIC OUTREACH. THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO US IS THE FARMERS MARKET IS GANGBUSTERS NOW AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT TOWARDS THE END OF SUMMER, EARLY FALL AND GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT THERE.

[9A. Master Plan Request for Proposals]

THIS IS GETTING SOMEONE ON BOARD TO ASSIST US WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS IMPORTANT.

I'M VERY CONFIDENT IN MYSELF AND ASSISTANT PLANNER CHAPMAN AND SENIOR PLANNER SHORKEY IN TERMS OF PULLING THIS PLAN TOGETHER AND WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET IT THE WAY WE WANT IT. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE GOOD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IT'S THE HARDEST THING TO DO AS A PLANNER, IF WE DON'T HAVE GOOD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE PLAN'S NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE TALK IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FEEDBACK, HAS SUGGESTIONS, HAS IDEAS, PLEASE FUNNEL IT OVER TO STAFF. WE'D LOVE TO HEAR IT.

YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUGGESTING A COMPLETE REWRITE, THOUGH.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS AN UPDATE TO THE EXISTING.

ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE THAT WAS DONE IN 2017.

FIRST OF ALL, AND TYPICALLY COMMUNITIES DO SORT OF AN ON OFF CYCLE OF MAJOR UPDATE, SORT OF UPDATE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, REVIEW THE SITUATION FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND THEN FIVE YEARS.

SO ESSENTIALLY TEN YEARS IN BETWEEN MAJOR UPDATES.

AND TWO, FRANKLY, BECAUSE OF COVID, WE HAVE FUNCTIONALLY LOST TWO YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION GIVEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE WORLD. AND WE'RE JUST STARTING TO SEE WHAT MACROECONOMIC FORCES ARE COMING OUT OF THAT.

I MEAN, WITH INFLATION, WHERE IT IS, WITH INTEREST RATES, WHERE THEY ARE WITH LABOR PRICES AND LUMBER PRICES AND EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS, WHAT HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THINGS? AND I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU I HAVE THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS START SEEKING THAT PUBLIC INPUT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THE NEW REALITY INTO THE PLAN.

AND SO LARGELY WHAT THAT DISCUSSION IS ABOUT ARE THE GOALS AND THE OBJECTIVES AND THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGIES OF HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN.

THE UNDERLYING NATURE OF THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGED IN FIVE YEARS.

THE ONE BENEFIT WE DO HAVE NOW IS E HAVE TO UPDATE THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE LIKELY AS AN APPENDIX BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IS HOW DO

[00:45:01]

IT'S ONLINE.

AND SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT NEW DYNAMIC OF DOES THIS FUNCTIONALLY BECOME AN ONLY DIGITAL DOCUMENT? IS THAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET IT OUT, GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE? AND SO WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THIS FUNCTION AS SEAMLESSLY AS WE CAN WITH OUR WEBSITE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WORK ON. COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

KNOWING THAT A LOT OF THE FEDERAL MONEY THAT CAME IN REQUIRED SOME LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR SPENDING PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I'M SURE THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT IN CAN WE TAKE I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS WORK AND IF WE COULD SORT OF GET A JUMPSTART ON THIS WORK BY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD ALREADY COME IN IN THAT STAKEHOLDER INPUT FOR THAT PROCESS.

SO WE'LL CERTAINLY USE FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY USE THE POLL.

SURVEY. SURVEY. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS DONE LATE LAST YEAR.

THAT GOT VERY GOOD INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE GOTTEN PUBLIC INPUT ON THE ARPA DOLLARS, THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED AS WELL.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS.

BUT DON'T CLOSE THEM WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON GRAND RIVER IN JUST A MOMENT.

YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.

I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE OLD SCHOOL AND PREFER IN PERSON SOMETHING.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT OPTION FOR THOSE FOR WHOM THAT IS THEIR COMFORT LANGUAGE OF COMMUNICATING.

BUT I THINK THE IDEA OF SOMETHING ONLINE AND PROMOTING IT TO THE TOWNSHIP DOES A GOOD JOB OF THAT ANYWAY, AND SORT OF INCORPORATING INTO THE REGULAR CHANNELS THAT THE TOWNSHIP USES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF OOMPH I THINK WOULD BE GOOD.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT AND DISCUSSION, AND I THINK FACE TO FACE MEETINGS ARE STILL IMPORTANT FOR THAT PURPOSE.

IF IT'S COMPLETELY ONLINE, YOU LOSE THE INTERACTION.

COMMISSIONER TREZISE. THERE IS ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE OF INTERACTIVE AND ONLINE.

WE DID OUR MEETINGS HERE FOR A YEAR ON ZOOM THAT GIVES SOME OF THE INPUT, GIVES A CHANCE TO INPUT.

IT ALSO HAS A NICE CHANCE FOR PHOTOBOMBING AND OTHER STUFF.

SO.

I WILL SAY MASON IS APPEARS TO BE TRYING TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE IN-PERSON FOR SOME GROUPS AND THE VIRTUAL FOR OTHER GROUPS TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE AS MANY SORT OF SUBSETS AS POSSIBLE AND GET AS MUCH INPUT AS THEY CAN.

IT MAY ALSO BE NECESSARY TO DO A DIFFERENT SURVEY DEALING WITH THIS, IN PARTICULAR TO GET INPUT AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I THINK WE DO NEED SOME EXPERTISE AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION AND SETTING UP SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FULL FLEDGED CHARRETTE IS NECESSARY FOR AN UPDATE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE INPUT.

AND I THINK GOING TO THE OKEMOS SCHOOLS AND TO THE HASLETT SCHOOLS AS A PLACE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN A LARGE FACILITY SUCH AS AN AUDITORIUM, MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW GREATER PARTICIPATION FOR PEOPLE IN PERSON THAN MIGHT BE AN OUTDOOR EVENT.

AND I'M SURE THE SCHOOLS WOULD COOPERATE.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL. I WAS JUST GOING TO CHIME IN AND HAVING A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN ENGAGE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

I DO LIKE FACE TO FACE TO SOME EXTENT, AND I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE MORE BUY IN BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY ACROSS THE TABLE FROM SOMEONE OR I DON'T KNOW.

I'D HATE TO SEE THAT LOST IN DIALOG.

YES, COVID HAS CHANGED A LOT, BUT ALSO OUR EXPERIENCE IN TRYING TO REALIZE THE VISION OF THE PICAS HAS, I THINK, TAUGHT US A LOT ABOUT WHAT HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

CERTAINLY THE CHANGE IN DEMAND FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL USES

[00:50:03]

SO I THINK SPECIFYING A FOCUS ON KIND OF LESSONS LEARNED FROM OUR FIRST KIND OF ATTEMPT AT IMPLEMENTING THAT VISION OF A MIXED USE, WALKABLE KIND OF MODE IS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO UNDERLINE.

MY GUESS IS THAT IF GROUND IS BROKEN IN THE OKEMOS PICA BY THE TIME WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, THAT WILL BE A VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN IF IT IS STILL IN ITS CURRENT STATE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE MIGHT END UP.

YOU KNOW, TIMING WISE, AGAIN, IF IT'S STILL BASICALLY A DERELICT SHOPPING CENTER, PEOPLE WILL HAVE ONE SET OF VIEWS.

IF IT'S A CONSTRUCTION SITE WHERE THERE'S VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION, THAT WILL BE A VERY DIFFERENT THING.

BUT THE APPLICANTS, THE DEVELOPERS EXPERIENCE WITH ATTRACTING COMMERCIAL TENANTS AND THEY'RE CHANGING PLANS FOR USES ON THOSE SITES.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT OUR VISION FOR MIXED USE, CREATING WALKABLE COMMUNITIES AND THE REALITY OF WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING US.

SO. THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS KIND OF POSING US THE QUESTION OF WHAT REALLY DO WE MEAN BY WALKABLE? DOES IT MEAN THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS IN A DEVELOPMENT HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN WALK TO? OR ARE THERE SERVICES AND GOODS AVAILABLE AT THAT SITE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ATTRACTING NEARBY RESIDENTS WHO WILL WALK TO ACQUIRE THEM? AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE RED CEDAR FLATS AND OTHERS WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT, WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I THINK TAKING A GOOD HARD LOOK AT THAT SHOULD BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OF THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

I DON'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY STEP ON STAFF'S TOES, BUT WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL RESOURCE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF HERE.

IS THERE ANY EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY FOR IDEAS ON THIS PROJECT? SO I'VE ACTUALLY WAS ASKED TO BE A PART OF THEIR UPDATE, WHICH IS ONGOING, WHICH WAS I'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE.

A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH FOR THEIR PLAN, THEIR CAMPUS PLAN.

AND YES, ACTUALLY, I AM TRYING TO BORROW ONE OF THEIR IDEAS THAT I THINK HAS BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S A MAPPING TOOL THAT THEY'RE USING TO TRY AND GET SOME DIFFERENT INSIGHTS ABOUT CAMPUS THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY JUST ASKING SOME QUESTIONS, AND I THINK IT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO A COMMUNITY LIKE US IF WE ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

AND SO, YES, HOPEFULLY I HAVE A MEETING WITH JANET LILLY ON FRIDAY ACTUALLY TO JUST TALK SHOP IN GENERAL.

BUT YEAH, THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES OVER THERE THAT I HOPE TO TAP INTO.

I STILL KNOW A FEW PEOPLE.

AND THEY HAVE A VIRTUALLY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE COMPARED TO OTHER STATES BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY A HUGE UNIVERSITY OCCUPYING A LOT OF TERRITORY GOVERNMENTALLY, THEY ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY OF GOVERNMENT.

THEY ARE FUNCTIONALLY. MOST STATES DON'T DO THAT.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY A CONSTITUTIONAL INSTITUTION UNDER MICHIGAN LAW.

SO THEY MAY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THINGS WORK OR OUGHT TO WORK.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HEAR SOME OF THEIR IDEAS AS WELL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS TOPIC? EXCELLENT. WE APPRECIATE THE KICK OFF.

WE'RE GOING TO START SLOWLY TRICKLING, YOU GUYS INFORMATION ON THIS AS WE GO FORWARD HERE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THEN.

WE ARE NOW.

OKAY. SO WE ARE NOW CLOSING ITEM 9, ITEM 10 REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

IS THERE A TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE? JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE ORDINANCES FOR OK.

SO THE ORDINANCES FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS STANDARDS, THE LAKE LANSING FRONT YARD SETBACKS AND THE LAKE LANSING FRONT YARD LOT COVERAGE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

THE BECKY BEAUCHINE KULKA REZONING AT 2360, JOLLY OAK WAS APPROVED AS WELL AND THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS.

THE ORDINANCES FOR NON RESIDENTIAL FENCES ENCROACHMENTS INTO YARDS, WHICH IS THE DECK MORE THAN ONE DECKS AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE RRR ZONING HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS EXPECTED TO ADOPT THOSE AT THEIR NEXT MEETING.

[00:55:03]

MY DRY ERASE BOARD STILL HAS QUITE A LIST THAT WE'RE SLOWLY STARTING TO TACKLE.

AND BRIEFLY, I JUST GET A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE ANCILLARY RELATED.

THE MSU, AS I MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THEIR CAMPUS PLAN UPDATE AND THIS IS UNIQUE IN THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TASKED, STEVE TROOST AND HIS PLANNING GROUP HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH REVIEWING ALL OF MSU'S HOLDINGS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS PART OF THIS PLAN.

SO THIS IS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING FOR MSU.

[10A. Township Board update.]

BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, THEY DID HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING SORT OF MAPPING TOOL THAT THEY ROLLED OUT AT THE BEGINNING TO TRY AND START SEEKING INPUT.

BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

AND GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON US, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE INVOLVED.

THE TWO OTHER THINGS I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE FOLKS ON, THEY'RE ANCILLARY RELATED AS WELL.

THE TOWNSHIP BOARD DID ADOPT THE FINAL RESOLUTION SETTING THE ROLE FOR THE DANIELS DRAIN PROJECT THAT YOU'VE SEEN HAPPENING AT GRAND RIVER POWELL ROAD AREA.

AND SO THAT WE'LL FINISH UP CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.

AND THEN I WILL UPDATE YOU ON THE GRAND RIVER CONSTRUCTION.

THE INTERSECTION OF GRAND RIVER AND OKEMOS ROAD CLOSES ON WEDNESDAY ON THE 11TH UNTIL APPROXIMATELY MID OCTOBER. THAT'S POOR BUSINESS TRAFFIC EAST WEST SHOULD GET A LITTLE QUICKER, BUT IT'S GETTING READY TO GET EVEN MORE DIFFICULT.

IT'S A MASSIVE PROJECT AND THEY ARE MOVING QUICK.

I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT PILES DRIVEN.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DELAY.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT.

CAN I ASK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION? SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GO NORTHBOUND THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION? YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO NORTH, SOUTH ON OKEMOS ROAD AT ALL.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE FIFTH THIRD BRANCH? HOW DO YOU ACCESS THAT, THAT'S ACROSS FROM MEYER ANYMORE? THE DETOUR WILL BE DOWN MARSH ROAD TO HAMILTON ROAD UP OKEMOS ROAD.

[LAUGHTER] OH OK. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

YEAH. THIS IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME PROJECT.

RIGHT. IT'S JUST WE HAPPENED TO BE LIVING.

WE JUST HAPPEN TO BE LIVING IT.

YES. YEAH.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT SUMMER.

AS LONG AS I CAN GET THE BUDDY'S PIZZA, EVERYTHING IS OKAY, YOU KNOW? GET THE PIZZA FIX. I HAVEN'T ORDERED YET.

I'M READY, THOUGH. IT'S TIME.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE THERE ANY LIAISON REPORTS? COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

I'M JUST BUYING TIME HERE SORRY? JUST SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE WITH MICHIGAN STATE LATER THIS WEEK, IT IS INTERESTING HOW HAPPEN TO HAVE A SPARTAN IN OUR FAMILY RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT IS INTERESTING THAT POLICIES THAT THE UNIVERSITY UNDERTAKES DOES IMPACT LAND USE AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CHANGED THE POLICY OF REQUIRING FROM ONE YEAR ON CAMPUS TO TWO. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ON CAMPUS LIVING FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO LIVE ON CAMPUS. THERE IS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

OF COURSE, THEY HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING LIKE UC BERKELEY'S HOUSING PRICES, BUT SO BASICALLY IT PUSHES STUDENTS OFF CAMPUS SOONER BECAUSE OF THEIR REQUIREMENT EXPANDING THAT, THAT JUST MEANS THAT LESS JUNIORS OR SENIORS CAN LIVE OFF CAMPUS. BUT IT CAN ALSO INCREASE THE PRICE OF RENT BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS HIGHER.

[10B. Liaison reports]

AND I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE TALKED TO I REMEMBER TALKING TO MSU ABOUT THAT BACK WHEN I WORKED WITH EAST LANSING.

THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND WHAT THEY DID IS HISTORICALLY THEY WAIVED IT EVERY YEAR AND THEY WAIVED IT EVERY YEAR, AND THEN THEY FINALLY, AS PART OF COVID, THEY STOPPED WAIVING IT BECAUSE AND I ACTUALLY STUDIED THIS WITH AN INTERN WHILE I WAS AT EAST LANSING, WHERE THE STUDENTS LIVED AND WHETHER WE COULD TRACK TRY TO TRACK GRADE POINT AVERAGE BASED ON

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BUT THEY HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS VERY CLEARLY THE MORE YOU STAY ON CAMPUS, THE BETTER YOUR GRADES ARE.

RIGHT. IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO THEM.

AND THAT'S THE UNDERLYING REASON FOR THE SOPHOMORES ON CAMPUS.

YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

THE OTHER THING THAT CHANGES THE HOUSING DYNAMIC REAL QUICKLY IS THE EVER GROWING FRESHMEN CLASSES.

YOU KNOW, YOU READ IN THE PAPER LARGER YET LARGER YET.

MEANWHILE, THERE ARE SOME UNIVERSITIES THAT ARE LOSING WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTROL MEASURES LIKE THAT.

BUT AS THE UNIVERSITY WILL TAKE ON MORE FRESHMEN EACH YEAR, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE HOUSING DYNAMIC.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, I GUESS, MORE THAN MY 2 CENTS.

NO, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS THAT WITH THE OPENING OF F [INAUDIBLE], THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INFLUX OF SCIENTISTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THEY'RE NOT STUDENTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR REAL HOUSING AND THAT MIGHT AFFECT A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS.

THERE ALREADY WAS KIND OF A FEEDING FRENZY OF HOMES.

YEAH. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS.

NO. THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY CANCELED ITS MEETING THIS LAST MEETING.

I'D LIKE TO SAY FOR LACK OF INTEREST, BUT THERE ARE OTHER REASONS.

BUT THERE WAS ONE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN A LETTER, AND THAT WAS THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH LIGHT POSTS IN THE OKEMOS CONSTRUCTION ZONE, AND THEY HAD TO REMOVE A BUNCH OF THEM.

AND IT TURNED OUT THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT QUITE WHO OWNED WHICH ONES.

AND THAT BECAME AN ISSUE ON WHO REMOVES THEM AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR IT AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THEM BACK.

SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES ARE GOING TO GO.

ALL RIGHT IF NO OTHER LIAISON REPORTS WE'RE CLOSING ITEM 10B.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, PROJECT UPDATES.

ARE THERE ANY NEW APPLICATIONS, SITE PLANS OR SITE PLANS RECEIVED OR [INAUDIBLE]? NOTHING OF NOTE.

WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE AN APPROVED SITE. OH, WHAT ARE WE? OH, WE VERY MINOR SITE PLAN.

BUT WE DID APPROVE MODIFICATIONS TO THE VESTIBULE AND REPLACEMENT OF THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AT THE DOUGLAS J.

SITE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THEN. NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM 12 PUBLIC REMARKS.

THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT.

SO WE'LL CLOSE ITEM 12.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 13 ADJOURNMENT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RICHARDS.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT.

SAY AYE.

ALL IN FAVOR. THERE ARE NO NEGATIVES.

SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW LAST WEEK IT WAS DARK.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.