Apr 25, 2022 Planning Commission

OUR FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.

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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

SO I'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE PRACTICAL THINGS HERE.

WE ARE FOCUSED KIND OF ON THE CORNER.

I THINK WE A LOT OF THE WHAT I WOULD CALL THE VARIANCES OR THE WAIVERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE REALLY KIND OF VESTIGES OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING THAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.

IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE LARGER SETBACKS THAT WERE, I THINK, PART OF HOW THIS ORIGINAL SET WAS DESIGNED, HOW WE WANT TO KIND OF REENGAGE ARCHITECTURE IN THE STREET.

[3. PUBLIC REMARKS]

BUT WE'RE AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE MAINTAINING JUST STARTING WITH THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

THERE ARE THREE CURRENT CURB CUTS THAT SERVE THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING THOSE GENERAL LOCATIONS.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT JUST FIXING UP SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BETWEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND IN THE RIGHTS OF WAY OR IN THE RIGHTS OF WAY.

SO WE'LL BE DOING THAT. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER THAT'S KIND OF ALREADY THERE, ALREADY THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.

SO WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THE PINE VILLAGE PROJECT TEAM TO THE WEST AND JUST COORDINATED THINGS, MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BOTH IN TERMS OF THEIR PROJECT AND SCHEDULE AND VICE VERSA.

SO REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MESH MESH TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY KIND OF NEED TO.

THE PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT HERE IS RESIDENTIAL WITH COMMERCIAL ON BASICALLY A NEW BUILDING ON THE CORNER.

JUST FOR REFERENCE, H1 IS A NEW BUILDING.

THAT'S WHERE THE BANK IS NOW.

WE DO NOT HAVE A USER YET, BUT I THINK IT'S DESIGNED TO KIND OF AGAIN ENGAGE THE THE CORNER A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO THE BUILDING IS CLOSER TO THE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OUR BUILDING G ONE IS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING.

WE PLAN TO ALSO KEEP THAT FOR RETAIL, RESTAURANT, COMMUNITY USE.

WE'RE ALSO KIND OF MODIFYING THAT BUILDING A LITTLE BIT TO CREATE ONE OF OUR AMENITIES THAT I'LL GET INTO IN A SECOND, WHICH WOULD BE A PUBLIC OUTDOOR SPACE.

IT'LL BE COVERED. SO THAT OBVIOUSLY WILL BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO POSSIBLY INVITE FOOD TRUCKS FROM TIME TO TIME AND HAVE THIS KIND OF BE A PLUG IN SPACE FOR THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY.

SO REALLY TRYING TO, AGAIN, BRING PEOPLE ON THE SITE.

THE AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRAIL.

WE'RE NOT ONLY CONNECTING TO THE TRAIL WITH A SO CALLED TRAILHEAD, WE'RE ALSO KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT SIDEWALK NETWORK LEADS TO OUR KIND OF COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNDER HASLETT.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, AGAIN, ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

OUR STACKED FLATS BUILDING ALONG HASLETT IS A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT HAS 58 UNITS.

AND AGAIN, THE SCALE OF THAT BUILDING WAS REALLY GENERATED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR.

THE PINE VILLAGE BUILDING WILL BE FOUR STORIES.

SO WE FELT THAT THE SCALE NEEDED TO BE SIMILAR.

THE BALANCE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ARE GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF STACKED FLATS, SO 12 UNIT OR 24 UNIT BUILDINGS.

AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME TOWNHOUSES ON THE KIND OF SOUTHEAST AND SOUTH WEST PORTIONS LIKE ALONG THE TRAIL AND ALONG THE WETLAND AREAS.

THE DISTINCTION HERE IS I THINK ALL OUR BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE FRONT DOORS ON THE STREETS.

WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE NOT DRIVING THROUGH PARKING LOTS.

WE WERE WE CREATED WHAT WE CONSIDER KIND OF GENUINE STREETSCAPES, WHERE YOU'VE GOT PARALLEL PARKING SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING ON FRONT DOORS.

THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, JUST KIND OF HOW WE CREATED THE LOOPS WITH THE PRIMARY PARKING AREAS KIND OF BEING BEHIND THOSE PATHWAYS THAT WE'RE CREATING.

WE ALSO CREATED A CENTRAL NODE THAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN THERE THAT WILL HAVE IT'S A PARK LIKE SETTING.

IT'LL HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH PICKLEBALL, IT'S A NOISY ACTIVITY.

SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES.

BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAIL, BUT A LOT OF THE STREETSCAPE AREA NOT ONLY IS FOLLOWING KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE WITH THESE PATHWAYS, BUT IT'S

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FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.

THE SITE'S GOT A VERY ROBUST NETWORK OF UTILITIES ON IT, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITHIN THOSE NETWORKS AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO THE, THE TRAILHEAD AND DOG PARK THAT WE'RE CREATING, MAYBE I'LL TRANSITION TO THE AMENITIES AND THEN I'LL GET BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURE IN A SECOND.

BUT IN THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO STAFF LAST WEEK, WE MADE A FEW SHIFTS. THE THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION HAD JUST OVER 300 UNITS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SHIFTING THE UNIT COUNT AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF UNITS SO THAT 50% OF OUR UNITS ARE ONE BEDROOM. THAT SEEMS TO WORK WELL WITH THE MARKET THAT WE UNDERSTAND.

BUT IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE, I THINK, A TIER TWO AMENITY.

SO AT LEAST THE TIER TWO IS WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE ARE ADDING SOME THREE BEDROOMS, NOT A LOT.

WE ARE INCREASING SOME OF THE TWO BEDROOMS AND WE'RE ADDING SOME STUDIOS.

SO THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE ON THE EDITED PLAN WILL BE 290 FOR 302.

THE TIER ONE AMENITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND IT'S SHOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY. SO THAT SECOND AMENITY SHEET THAT YOU GOT LAST WEEK IS MAYBE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT THE NEW

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

BUT BASICALLY, OUR TIER ONE AMENITY WILL BE THE DOG PARK AND THE TRAILHEAD.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

WE'LL HAVE DEDICATED PARKING THERE SO THAT ANYBODY THAT COMES ON TO THE SITE TO USE THE TRAILHEAD, THERE'LL BE SIGNED PARKING.

THAT WILL BE FOR THE TRAILHEAD USERS.

SO THAT'S OUR TIER ONE AMENITY.

AND THEN SOME OF THE TIER TWO AMENITIES ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING STATIONS AND THE PUBLIC OUTDOOR SEATING PLAZA, AND THAT'LL BE SERVED WITH WIFI.

[6. COMMUNICATIONS]

AND AGAIN, WE'VE ONLY COUNTED ONE OF THESE IN OUR TALLY FOR AMENITIES.

SO BECAUSE WE ARE IF YOU'LL NOTICE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THE TWO TIER ONE AMENITIES FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT VARIANCE.

SO THAT REDUCED A COUPLE OF AMENITIES THAT WERE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

BUT WE'RE BUT THE LOW, LOW FLOW PLUMBING FIXTURES WILL STILL BE PART OF OUR AMENITY PACKAGE WITH WIRELESS ACCESS ALSO AND DECORATIVE LIGHTING, EVEN THOUGH THOSE DON'T COUNT

[7A. Special Use Permit #22-05-011 – 3830 & 3836 Okemos Road – Bickford House Expansion]

AS WE GET INTO KIND OF OUR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'LL SUBMIT, WE'LL HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY MATRIX THAT WE WILL ESTABLISH. WE'RE PLANNING TO USE USGBC LEED GUIDELINES AS OUR BASIS.

WE'RE NOT SEEKING LEED CERTIFICATION, BUT WE ARE KIND OF USING THE LEAD LEED SILVER STANDARD AS OUR BASIS.

SO WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THAT WILL INCLUDE IN EACH OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF LEED GOING DOWN MY LIST. AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE ADJUSTED BUILDING A1'S HEIGHT SO THAT IT'S COMPLIANT.

WE ARE GOING TO BE UPDATING THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO REFLECT THE THE PROPOSED PLAN, INCLUDING SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE THE STAFF REPORT. AND THE LET ME LOOK AT SHOW YOU THE ARCHITECTURE.

JUST TO GO THROUGH THESE. SO THIS IS THE DETAILED PLAN SHOWING THE COMMUNITY BUILDING HOW IT WILL BE.

IT'LL HAVE BOTH SOME OF THE RESIDENT AMENITIES KIND OF ON THE SOUTH END OF IT, AND THEN IT WILL HAVE THE COMMUNITY PLAZA ON THE WEST END OF IT, AS WELL AS THE

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THIS IS THE [INAUDIBLE] AMENITY SHEET, THE LIGHTING PLAN.

ARCHITECTURALLY, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S FAMILIAR MATERIALS, MAYBE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEMPORARY FEEL TO IT.

IT'S GOT A LITTLE FRESHNESS TO IT.

BUT AGAIN, BRICK AND SIDING, POSSIBLY INTRODUCING A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR.

THE STACKED FLATS.

SO THESE WILL BE THE 12 UNIT AND THE 24 UNIT BUILDINGS, AS I SAID.

THEY WILL HAVE FRONT DOORS ON THE ROADS AS WELL AS THE COMMON ENTRANCE.

BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A THERE'S A 24 UNIT VERSION AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES.

BUT THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF DIVERSITY IN THE LOOK JUST SO THAT WE'LL THERE WILL BE A LITTLE VISUAL INTEREST IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEY MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE BALCONIES.

THESE ARE THE TOWNHOUSES THAT WILL BE ALONG THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST.

SO SOME OF THEY WILL HAVE GARAGES.

AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WILL BE BASICALLY PUT A NEW FACADE ON THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE KIND OF DECONSTRUCTING THAT WEST END SO THAT THE OUTDOOR PLAZA, THE COMMUNITY PLAZA WILL BE CREATING IT WILL BE COVERED.

AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING A A POTENTIAL OPTION FOR THE CORNER BUILDING.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE ONLY CAVEAT THERE IS, IS ONCE WE GET A USER THAT MAY NEED TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK WE WANT IT TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE ARCHITECTURE . THE UNIT PLANS, THIS IS THE THE BUILDING ON HASLETT.

AND WE DO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE SHOWN.

I THINK THE PLAN IS TO THE CURRENT SIGNAGE LOCATIONS THAT ARE ON HASLETT AND MARSH ROADS.

WE'RE PLANNING TO KEEP THOSE.

WE ARE ADDING SOME SIGNS, OBVIOUSLY, AND ESPECIALLY THE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE ACCOMMODATING TENANTS.

WE'RE SHOWING KIND OF STRATEGIES FOR THOSE, BUT THE ACTUAL SIGNAGE, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE HAVE A TENANT IN PLACE.

ONE THING I DID WANT TO NOTE IS OUR BUILDING THE THE A ONE BUILDING WILL BE ACTUALLY THE BUILDING THAT THE LEASING OFFICE WILL BE IN.

SO THEY'LL POSSIBLY MIGHT BE A SEPARATE FITNESS CENTER IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND AGAIN, THE SIGNAGE WILL BE IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE ARCHITECTURE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR SHEET THE SMALL SUPPORT BUILDING THAT WILL BE AT THE TRAILHEAD AND SOME IDEA OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS.

SO, AGAIN, VERY EXCITED ABOUT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS, REALLY BASED ON KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND CREATING A VERY KIND OF HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL OPTION IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS KIND OF SOME ONSITE AMENITIES AND SERVICES THAT WILL KIND OF MAKE IT A VERY GENUINE MIXED USE PROJECT. SO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND ONE LAST THING, THE SPECIAL LAND USE PERMIT IS FOR THE DRIVE THRU.

WE ARE PLANNING TO KEEP A DRIVE THRU OR HAVE A DRIVE THRU ON THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT WE HAVE.

BOTH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ACTUALLY.

COMMISSION MEMBERS. COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THAT THAT'S BY G1 CRACK, THE DRIVE THROUGH, I WAS HOPING IT WAS A DRIVE THAT GOES THROUGH IT BUT NOT FUNCTIONING AS A DRIVE THRU, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT, BUT WITH THE DRIVE THRU THAT SEEMS TO DEFEAT IT.

IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THE REALITY THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP.

AND EVEN WITH THE PARKING AREAS, WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NEVER GREAT TO WALK BY A LARGE PARKING LOT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE LOOPS AND PATHWAYS THAT ALLOW YOU TO KIND OF HAVE A NICE CIRCUIT.

BUT YES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE WE, THE PEDESTRIAN, ONLY KIND OF RUNS TO THE SOUTH AND AROUND IT AND TO THE NORTH.

BUT IF YOU'RE KIND OF GOING JUST EAST OF G ONE, IT'S NOT AS CONVENIENT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND THAT A LITTLE BIT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR.

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DOES THAT MEAN AN ADDITIONAL CASE FOR THE DRIVE THRU WITHIN THE MUPD OR IT DOES NOT? THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS TO THE MUPD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL IN THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, ADOPTED THE MUPD FUNCTIONS AS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SITE.

SO SOLID DATA, INCLUDING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDINGS GREATER THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THERE WILL BE ONE APPROVAL THAT GOVERNS THIS SITE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHASE 16 APPROVALS IN THE FUTURE.

AND THERE WILL BE ONE DOCUMENT THAT WILL COVER THE APPROVAL FOR THIS SITE IN THE FORM OF A IT'S NOT EXACTLY GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT'S STREAMLINING, IT'S CONSOLIDATING FOR FUTURE REFERENCE BECAUSE TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, TRYING TO FIND THE APPROVALS FOR SOME OF THESE IS VERY DIFFICULT.

SURE, SURE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I SAW SOME ATTRIBUTES TO THE PROJECT THAT I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH, BUT THE DRIVE THRU WAS NOT ONE OF THEM BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE WOULD BE CROSSING ON FOOT IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS FOR THIS.

AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME JUST WHEN I'M LIKE ORIENTING MYSELF SO HASLETT ROAD, IT'S ON THE NORTH, BUT SOUTH AND EAST OF THERE THERE SEEMS TO BE A FOCAL POINT.

IS THAT LIKE PLACE FOR A FOUNTAIN OR IT'S A ROTARY, THE ROUNDABOUT.

AROUND OK.

IT SEEMS LIKE WITH THAT LANDSCAPED AREA YOU COULD CREATE A NICE FEATURE IN THAT ROUNDABOUT OTHER THAN OTHER THAN GRASS.

WE WILL HAVE I THINK WE'RE PLANNING TO DO A LANDSCAPED FEATURE THERE.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT GREGG STUDIES APPROPRIATELY IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT PROPERLY.

BUT YES, I THINK WE DO WANT TO MAKE IT A FEATURE ELEMENT.

SO PROBABLY SOME LANDSCAPING THAT'S MORE THAN JUST A LAWN.

ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO LIGHT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? NO. OKAY, GOOD.

GLAD TO HEAR IT. OK.

AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON THE DIFFERENT KIND OF UNITS YOU HAD STACKED UNITS YOU HAD APARTMENTS AND SO FORTH.

WHEN LIKE WHEN YOU SAY A TOWNHOUSE, I OFTEN THINK OF A MULTI STORY UNIT THAT MIGHT HAVE A STAIRS WITHIN IT.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES. THE SO THE BUILDING ON HASLETT WILL BE THE TERM OF STACKED FLATS.

IT'S BASICALLY UNITS, ONE STORY UNITS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

SO IT'LL HAVE A CENTRAL, THAT BUILDING WILL HAVE A CENTRAL CORRIDOR AND THEN UNITS IT'LL HAVE AN ELEVATOR AND THEN THEY'LL BE BALCONIES THAT MOST OF THE UNITS HAVE.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE WITH OURS THAN MAYBE A TYPICAL BUILDING IS THE UNITS THAT ARE AT GRADE.

WE ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO HAVE FRONT PORCHES THAT THAT ARE ON THE STREET.

SO I THINK IT'S IT DOES HAVE INTERNAL CIRCULATION, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE UNITS THAT ARE A GREAT FEEL MORE LIKE A TOWNHOUSE UNIT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PORCHES AND THEIR OWN ENTRANCE POINTS.

WERE THOSE I'M SORRY, WERE THOSE THE TOWNHOUSES OR? THIS IS THE THIS IS BUILDING A ONE THE FOUR STORY BUILDING ON HASLETT.

DO YOU HAVE AN ELEVATION TO SHOW? YEAH, I WAS I WAS A LITTLE IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

SO I WAS A LITTLE CHALLENGE TO KEEP UP WITH THINGS ON THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK.

A SITE PLAN AND THEN THINKING OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THE PROJECT.

SO IF YOU SLOW IT DOWN A BIT, THAT WOULD HELP.

NO PROBLEM. WELL, WE HAVE MORE DIVERSITY BY DESIGN.

WE WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL TYPES AVAILABLE FOR THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER IT'S FAMILIES OR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS OR WHOMEVER, IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN OR SO THE BUILDING ON HASLETT IS THE THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN THERE.

IT'S GOT A BASE OF MASONRY.

IT'S KIND OF GOT SOME TRADITIONAL PRINCIPLES IN PLACE, BUT IT DOES HAVE A MORE KIND OF CONTEMPORARY FEEL TO IT, AS I MENTIONED, BALCONIES.

BUT I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN.

IF YOU SHOW THE TOWNHOUSES.

YEAH. SO THESE ARE THE TOWNHOUSES AND OUR COMPANY IS PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY CONDOMINIUM HOME BUILDERS.

AND THEN WE DO THESE ALMOST ON THE SIDE.

THIS IS A PRODUCT WE DO QUITE OFTEN FOR SALE.

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THEY'D HAVE A BACK PATIO OR PORCH AND THEIR OWN PRIVATE GARAGE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS TOWNHOMES.

MOST PEOPLE REFER TO THEM AS TOWNHOME OR CONDOMINIUM DESIGNS OR TWO STORY.

MULTI-FAMILY ATTACHED? YES. MULTIFAMILY ATTACHED.

THEY THEY HAVE A GARAGE.

THEY ARE TWO STORIES AND THEY'LL BE TWO OR THREE BEDROOMS WITH THE MAIN LIVING AREA ON THE MAIN LEVEL AND THEN THE BEDROOMS UP.

SO I'LL GO BACK THROUGH REAL QUICKLY.

AND THERE'S ONLY ONE PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE'RE MISSING NOW, HER HOUSING TYPE THAT WE'RE MISSING, AND THAT'S THE 12 AND 24 UNIT BUILDINGS.

AGAIN, THEY WILL HAVE AN INTERNAL STAIR FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE ABOVE GRADE, BUT THE UNITS THAT ARE AT GRADE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE FRONT DOORS ON THE STREETS.

AND AGAIN, THEY WE'VE GOT A FEW WE'VE DEVELOPED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MODELS WITH WITH BOSWORTH HOMES THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.

SO THE DIFFERENT MIXES WITHIN THE BUILDINGS CREATES THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE.

AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE BALCONIES, SOME OF THEM DO NOT.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS REACH DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.

SO THEY'LL HAVE SOME LOWER PRICE POINTS AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME HIGHER PRICE POINTS.

AND THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE THE AMENITIES THAT YOU GET OR THE TYPE OF UNIT OF THE SIZE OF THE UNIT.

THAT'S GOOD TO SEE. THE VARIETY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING WE SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE INITIAL SUBMISSION, BUT I THINK IT'S BASED ON IN PROMOTING THAT DIVERSITY OF OFFERINGS. LET ME JUST GO BACK.

SO THE THESE ARE THE A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE 12 OR 24 UNIT BUILDINGS.

THERE'S THREE STORIES.

AS I SAID, THEY HAVE AN INTERNAL STAIRWAY AND THEN THEY ARE A COMBINATION OF THESE ARE PRIMARILY ONES AND TWOS.

SO THE STUDIOS WILL BE IN A1 BUILDING.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STUDIOS AND THE THREE BEDROOMS WOULD BE IN THE TOWNHOUSES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

DID YOU ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE? I DID NOT MEAN TO IMPLY THAT WE WERE UNSATISFIED WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT WAS IN BLACK AND WHITE, THEY WERE REQUESTING THE CORRECT WAIVER.

SO WE'RE NOT SEEING AN ISSUE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT HELPS. I WASN'T CLEAR WITH THAT.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS. YEAH.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF THE LAYOUT.

AND I GUESS NOW THAT I LOOK AT THE PLAN, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, AND THAT'S REGARDING WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET.

I KNOW IN SOME OF OUR MORE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE HAD THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE ROAD WITH PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE.

SO YOU DON'T SEE THE PARKING.

AND I NOTICE ON HASLETT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING ACTUALLY THE THE WEST NOW THE BANK, YOU SAID THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S RIGHT ON THE STREET.

BUT THEN YOU'RE LEAVING THE BUILDING THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE PARKING.

SO I GUESS YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION IF YOU LEAVE THE BUILDING.

BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO TAKE THE BUILDING OUT, THEN I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MOVE THE BUILDING CLOSER TO HASLETT ROAD.

AND THEN LOOKING AT MARSH ROAD, MY HAVING DRIVEN THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE ROAD IS ABOVE THE GRADE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SOUTHERN MOST, I GUESS IT'D BE SOUTH OF WEST HAS A PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE.

AND THE THE PARKING AREA BETWEEN THE THE.

THE HOUSING AND.

AND THAT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PARKING.

SO I GUESS FROM MY VIEW, IT WOULD BE BETTER FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT TO HAVE THE PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE.

NO, AGAIN, THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE DESIGN.

BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE ABOVE NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN TO BEGIN WITH.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT.

HOW TALL ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE SOUTHWEST, THE BUILDING, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER? THERE'S A SMALL ONE, A BIG ONE.

SO I THINK THEY'RE THREE STORY.

YEAH, THEY'RE ALL THREE STORY.

THE MIDPOINT OF THE GABLE.

SO THERE GOING TO BE WHAT THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE ROAD THERE MAYBE.

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I GUESS FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT WHERE YOU DON'T SEE IT NOW.

RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A FLAT ROOF AND A ONE STORY BUILDING.

YEAH. FOR PERSPECTIVE, THAT PARKING LOT THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS ALMOST AT THE EXACT SAME GRADE AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

A COUPLE OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

WHY WE'VE KEPT THE PARKING THERE IS, ACCORDING TO CUBS, THERE'S A BUNCH OF EXISTING UTILITIES THAT GO THROUGH THERE.

SO MOVING THAT BUILDING DOESN'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL.

RIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION ON SITE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY KIND OF THAT BUILDING TO WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS.

AND THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT CONTAMINATION IS WE CAN EITHER SCOOP IT OUT, WHICH IS THE EASIEST.

BUT IF IT IF IT'S VAPOR AND WE PUT A BUILDING ON IT, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE MITIGATION GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SO IT JUST REALLY DOESN'T WORK.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. GOOD EXPLANATION.

AND YOU HIT ON PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING DILEMMAS THAT WE HAD.

WE THOSE WERE THE PRACTICAL ISSUES.

BUT ON THE PLANNING SIDE, WE FELT IF THAT BUILDING WERE CLOSER TO MARSH, IT WOULD BE KIND OF AN AWKWARD SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN ON THE BUILDING RIGHT THIS WAY.

IT REINFORCES THE WALKABILITY INTERNALLY.

SO IT WAS A I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THAT BUILDING THAT MIGHT CATCH YOUR EYE AS YOU'RE COMING SOUTHBOUND.

JUST KIND OF TAKES YOU AWAY FROM THE PARKING LOT AND MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE.

INTERIOR JUST AS A THOUGHT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TRYING TO YOU'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET A VERY GOOD VIEW OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THAT TO BE AS NICE LOOKING AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN MAKE IT.

MR. RICHARDSON. YEAH, SORRY.

ECHOING A BIT COMMISSIONER CORDILL COMMENTS ABOUT THE WALKABILITY.

I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE A PEDESTRIAN COMING AT THE SITE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF MARSH AND HASLETT AND WANTING TO GET TO THE G1 BUILDING THE RESTAURANT AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A SPOOL BEHIND IT.

IS THAT A SPLASH POOL? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? IT'S SPA POOL, BUT IT'S A SMALLER WATER ELEMENT.

SO REALLY, IF I'M READING THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN CORRECTLY, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I WOULD GO DOWN MARSH ROAD, PASS THE FIRST ENTRANCE THERE, WALK ALONG THAT SIDEWALK, GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN MAKE MY WAY TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WAY.

THAT WOULD BE MY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

YEAH, I THINK WE CAN WE CAN ENHANCE THAT.

I'M SEEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

I THINK BOTH FROM IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONG HASLETT, LET'S SAY, WESTBOUND AND YOU WANT TO GO TO G1 OR IF YOU'RE COMING OFF OF MARSH, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF GET BETTER CONNECTIVITY EVEN WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE.

I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN A BETTER WAY.

THANKS. MY OTHER QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT H1, AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET MY NORTH CORRECT AS WELL.

THE STAFF REPORT SAID THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN IN THE SENSE THAT IT CALLS FOR A MIXED USE CORE.

AND THIS KIND OF FITS THAT DEFINITION.

AND WHILE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY REGULATORY AUTHORITY, THE PICA SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN CALLS THIS OUT AS A POTENTIAL INTENSITY CHANGE AREA, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS DOING.

BUT IT DID HAVE THAT CORNER AS GREEN SPACE AND IT'S SORT OF CONCEPTUAL WISH LIST.

AND HERE YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT ON THAT CORNER AND WE'VE GOTTEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER BEING APPEARING TO MANY PEOPLE TO BE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE MIXED USE, WALKABLE, FRIENDLY.

AND I THINK THAT COMPLAINT MAY BE MAINLY ABOUT SIGHTLINES, BUT I'M CURIOUS, MAYBE THIS IS TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR ANY OUTDOOR SEATING AT THAT RETAIL RESTAURANT, ANY STREET FACING SEATING GOING ON THERE? POSSIBLY AGAIN, UNTIL WE GET AN ACTUAL USER, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

I THINK THAT'S.

YOUR COMMENT ABOUT BUILDING D1 WAS THE SAME WITH H1.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WAS TO GET IN IT TO TO KIND OF BALANCE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER TO A CERTAIN EXTENT,

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IF THAT WERE SHOVED OFF THE CORNER, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE BOTHERSOME TO US.

IT JUST WOULD HAVE PARKING THAT ON THE CORNER, WHICH WE FELT OF THE TWO.

IT WOULD BE BETTER TO KIND OF STRENGTHEN THAT CORNER WITH ARCHITECTURE.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD IT'D BE GOOD TO GET YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE KIND OF DEBATED ON HOW TO LAY THAT OUT.

TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, THE DESIGN BEING PROPOSED DOES NOT FORECLOSE UPON THE IDEA OF OUTDOOR SEATING.

SHOULD THE RIGHT TENANT TAKE THAT SPACE, IT WOULD BE A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE PROJECT TO ME IF THAT WERE THE CASE.

I AGREE. I AGREE. IT'S GOING TO LARGELY DEPEND ON THE TENANT WE BELIEVE AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS FOR RESIDENTS OR THAT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR LEASE OR RENTAL OR BORROWING OR.

YES, IT'S PLANNED TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT WILL BE ALSO OPEN FOR USE RENTAL EVENTS, SPACE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND THE SAME THING WOULD BE TRUE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT.

IT COULD BE BOOKED. WE KNOW WE RESIDENTS OR WE'VE CHANGED THAT.

I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR AMENITIES AND WE JUST FELT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF IF THEY'RE OFFERING IT AS A AMENITY AND THERE ARE ENOUGH PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL WE HAD TO ADD TO THAT MIX.

SO IN THIS CASE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THAT WERE A RESIDENT AMENITY.

AND SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE ENFORCEMENT AND IT JUST DOESN'T CREATE ANOTHER SET OF CHALLENGES.

SO I THINK WE DECIDED THAT IT'S IT'S PURELY A RESIDENT OF ANY GREAT.

AND LASTLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DOG PARK IS MEANT TO BE MANAGED BY TOMMY, WHO SHE WAS GOING TO MANAGE THAT.

I THINK THE THOUGHT MAYBE MIKE CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS THE LAND WOULD BE CREATED.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DONATED OR JUST EASE EASEMENT OR SOMETHING, BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL IN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A STRONG FEELING, WHETHER WE DONATE IT, GIFT IT, KEEP IT.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO HELP US MAINTAIN AS WE START GETTING PUBLIC BATHROOMS AND SPACES.

SO WE VIEW IT AS A PUBLIC SPACE.

I BELIEVE STAFF HAS ENCOURAGED US, OR AT LEAST I THINK WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THE DIRECTION THAT SOME FORM OF MERIDIAN IS GOING TO TAKE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTAIN IT.

GREAT, GREAT. THE TOWNSHIP IS CURRENTLY INVESTING IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANOTHER TRAILHEAD ON OKEMOS ROAD AND HAVING ANOTHER REST STOP WITH WATER AND THE BIKE STAND AND POSSIBLY A RESTROOM.

IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S IT HAS SOME PARKING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND I THINK THEY'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU. SNYDER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, A COUPLE.

SO IN THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE.

MAYBE YOU'RE NOT SURE YET, BUT WE'RE.

THE PLACEMENT OF THE PLAYGROUND WOULD BE.

I THOUGHT I SAW THAT AS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL AMENITIES.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY PLANNING IT NEAR G1.

I THINK THE SPOOL IS AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A RESIDENTIAL AMENITY.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC AMENITY, BUT WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE A SMALL PLAYGROUND THERE AS WELL AS SOME OUTDOOR TERRACED AREAS.

SO I THINK IT'S IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE NEAR G1.

OKAY, AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO MENTION I LIVE IN HASLETT AND I'M VERY I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED AND EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROPERTY GET TRANSITIONED INTO SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY.

I IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO THE DECISION MAKING ON THE TOWNHOMES BECAUSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THESE ARE GOING TO BE RENTALS.

AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RECONSIDERED AS POTENTIALLY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, BECAUSE THERE IS A VERY REAL NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND YOU COULD REALLY BE SERVING THAT NEED BY PROVIDING DIVERSITY THERE.

I THINK IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT IT TRANSITIONED FROM RENTAL TO PURCHASE, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PLANNING TO START OUT AS RENTALS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S JUST IT'S A IT'S A REALLY HARD TRANSITION TO GO FROM THROUGH RENTALS, PRIMARILY ALL THE WAY THROUGH RENTALS TO GET TO HOME OWNERSHIP. IT JUST TRADITIONALLY HASN'T WORKED VERY WELL.

I GUESS ANOTHER WAY TO PROBABLY LOOK AT IT IS IT IS PROVIDING THAT SAME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT'S JUST IN THE FORM OF RENTAL VERSUS HOME OWNERSHIP.

SURE. I GUESS I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY IN THE TRANSITIONING FROM RENTAL TO HOME OWNERSHIP.

COULD IT JUST DRIVE DRIVING THROUGH RENTALS TO HOME OWNERSHIP HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN DIFFICULT TO SELL.

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IS IS DIFFICULT.

IT'S USUALLY THE FLIP SIDE.

YEAH. GOTCHA.

THANK YOU. YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS DEVELOPMENT OVER FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

SPECULATE OR WHAT'S GOING UP FIRST? MOSTLY WHAT'S KIND OF IN THE I DON'T KNOW.

THE OBVIOUSLY G1 WILL BE PART OF THE INITIAL RENOVATION AND THEN COMING OFF OF MARSH HERE AND THEN I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SUMMER OR ALL OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BRIEFLY.

YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TO THE MIKE.

YEAH, THERE'S A CHART IN HERE.

SO, I MEAN, YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

OH, HI, CHAD KOSTER, 940 FLORAL, GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN.

WE HAD A CHART KIND OF PUT TOGETHER.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO STICK WITH THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN STARTING THIS SUMMER, TALKING ABOUT DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, FALL IN WINTER, SPRING, UNDERGROUND, CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE UTILITIES AND ROADS, AND THEN SPRING OF 23, WE'RE TALKING BUILDINGS, G1, A1, B3, B4, B5 AND D4.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW MIKE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT PUSHING INTO THE C'S AND D'S OVER THERE AS WELL, SINCE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO COME DOWN LIKELY OFF OF HASLETT ROAD.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ECONOMICS QUESTION HERE AS WELL.

SO IF WE'RE PULLING THAT WATER AND SEWER, WHY DON'T WE JUST GET INTO THOSE? SO A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION IN THE AREA, BUT I THINK A1 SOUTH IS IS A GOOD START.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

AND UNTIL YOU GET TO H ONE, THERE'S VERY LITTLE MIXED.

WELL INCLUDED.

AND THE ECONOMICS CAN CHANGE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND SUDDENLY WHAT WAS A MIXED USE IS NO LONGER MIXED USE.

IT'S ALL APARTMENTS THAT'S HAPPENED IN SOME OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND I DON'T WANT TO START OUT WITH THAT POTENTIAL LOOKING AT US.

G 1 IS VERY MUCH IN OUR PHASE ONE, AND I THINK IT'S A YEAH, I SEE A G1 IT, BUT IT'S ALSO PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL USAGE AS OPPOSED TO THERE IS SOME PUBLIC SPACE IN THERE, BUT A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PUBLIC SPACE COMPARED TO YOUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'D BE DELIGHTED TO HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE EACH ONE IMMEDIATELY AND THAT CAN HAPPEN.

I KNOW IT CAN, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING US TO PROVE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AND IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL PORTION THAT IS NON RESIDENTIAL TO START WITH AND THE LARGEST PIECE OF THAT NON RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ON THE IMMEDIATE BOOKS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

AND THAT CAUSES ME CONCERN IN A LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE ECONOMY CAN CHANGE, AS WE ALL KNOW.

RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I EMPHASIZE G1 IS GOING TO BE ACTUALLY PREDOMINANTLY COMMUNITY BASED, NOT SO THE AMOUNT THAT'S DEDICATED JUST FOR RESIDENT USAGE WILL BE LIMITED.

IT MIGHT JUST BE THE LOCKER AND BATHROOM AREAS FOR THE SCHOOL AREA, BUT THE COMMUNITY ROOM WILL BE A COMMUNITY ACCESS EVENT SPACE AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE HOPEFULLY A RESTAURANT OR A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS IN THERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 7000 SQUARE FEET OUT OF A 300,000 SQUARE FOOT.

OH, YES, POTENTIALLY.

OVERALL, YES. IT'S JUST A SMALL PIECE OF THE ACTION.

RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT WILL BE THERE.

BUT OVERALL, IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY MIXED UNLESS IT DEVELOPS OUT AS YOU'VE GOT PLANNED.

AND WE ALL HOPE IT DEVELOPS THE WAY IT'S PLANNED.

BUT CHANGE HAS HAPPENED.

THAT'S IT. ONE MORE BITE AT THE APPLE.

GO AHEAD. SO IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT THAT TOTAL COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT A THIRD

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SO YOU DON'T CLEARLY ENVISION THAT AS AN OPTION.

BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PROSPECTS OF GROCERY OR A SMALLER RETAIL LIKE THAT CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE SERVICES IN THIS KIND OF A COMPLEX? IS THAT DOES THAT HAPPEN? IS IT SOMEPLACE? AND WE TALKED TO PINE VILLAGE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE A PHARMACY OR A SMALL GROCER.

AGAIN, THEY'RE THRILLED WITH THAT THERE.

AND WE WOULD BE, TOO, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, AGAIN, A WALKABLE AMENITY.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA.

I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A RESTAURANT.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF USES ARE GOING TO LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ON A CORNER AND HAVING A LOT OF VISIBILITY.

THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING KIND OF A RESIDENT POPULATION THERE THAT CAN WALK TO THEIR SERVICES.

SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THAT.

THANKS. I WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY FOLLOWING SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

ARE THERE IS THERE ANY NON RESIDENTIAL SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE MULTI STORY BUILDINGS? YES, BUT IT WOULD BE RESIDENT.

SO THE LEASING OFFICE, A FITNESS CENTER THAT WOULD BE USABLE BY THE RESIDENTS.

SO I THINK THOSE WILL BE KIND OF ENGAGING THE CORNER AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKING THAT BUILDING FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LESS A MIXED USE VERSUS JUST PURELY RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY HERE, NOT JUST A BUNCH OF HOUSES.

CORRECT. BUT YEAH.

SO PART OF THE MIXED USE, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE PUBLIC MIXED USE IS WITHIN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.

CORRECT. OKAY.

LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION THAT JUST JUMPED OUT.

THIS GETS BACK TO THE PICA.

THIS REALLY IS A PROPOSED DRAMATIC CHANGE TO THE POPULATION NATURE OF THAT AREA.

BUT IS IT REALLY LIKELY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FILL THIS? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING? 290 UNITS? THE MARKET STUDIES SHOW THE DEMAND IS THERE.

SO IDEALLY, I THINK THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IT UNLESS THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A MARKET THERE.

SO I THINK YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THE TOWNHOMES WAS IDENTIFIED AS A VERY DESIRABLE PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, HAVING GOOD STRONG AMENITIES.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO THE WALKABILITY.

THE IDEA IS TO IS TO BRING IN FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY, THAT YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO KIND OF JUST HAVE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL BOTH ATTRACT THEM AND KEEP THEM THERE AND HAVE THEM HAVE THEM STICK AROUND.

SO I THINK RIGHT NOW THE MARKET SUPPORTS THIS AND EVEN MORE OBVIOUSLY IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU, I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING FOR ANY TRADE SECRETS OR ANYTHING, BUT WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU ANTICIPATE GROWING THERE? YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT FAR FROM THE MSU CAMPUS.

I WOULDN'T EXPECT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE WILL BE OCCUPIED BY STUDENTS.

SO WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE POPULATION YOU EXPECT TO BE MOVING INTO THIS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK I GOT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THOUGHT IS THE RENTAL MARKET ISN'T THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE BUYING MARKET RIGHT NOW.

YOU IF YOU GO TO MY DAUGHTER ACTUALLY LIVES IN ELEVATION.

AND SO WE WERE THERE RIGHT BEFORE THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OLDER ADULTS LIVING THERE CHOOSING TO RENT.

YOU HAVE YOUNG ADULTS.

SHE'S A VET STUDENT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T SUSPECT WE ARE NOT BUILDING THIS FOR STUDENTS.

WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THE MAKE UP FOR STUDENTS.

WE'RE NOT DOING FOUR BEDROOMS, FOUR BATHROOMS, STUDENT HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING ONE, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES.

IT DOESN'T WORK WELL FOR STUDENT HOUSING.

SO THAT WOULD NOT BE OUR INTENT.

YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A MARKET STUDY DONE.

IT EASILY SUPPORTS THIS PROJECT.

IT SUPPORTS THE MIX THAT WE HAVE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY RATES PRETTY MUCH IN THE WHOLE STATE OF MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AT 100% AND THAT'S NOT A HEALTHY MARKET FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO I THINK IT'S ONLY 290 UNITS IN A IN A BIG COMMUNITY LIKE HASLETT, AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE CAN FILL THAT.

GETTING BACK TO YOUR COMMERCIAL A LITTLE BIT, I ALSO HAD A LITTLE THOUGHT IS I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AS CURRENTLY AS BEING FILLED THERE

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SO I THINK WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

BUT THERE'S WE'RE GOING TO ENHANCE THAT AREA WITH MORE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE.

SO I THINK WE CAN DRAW A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL THERE, BUT NOT A LOT.

AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT GROCERY STORES, THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE A WHOLE FOOD, YOU HAVE A MEYER.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS CORNER IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD REASON.

IT'S JUST IT MOVED ON TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND I THINK THE NEXT USE IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING HERE.

WELL, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND I'M EXCITED TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND SAY, WE WANT TO USE THAT PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR YEARS.

SO AND I THINK WE ENVISION THAT USE AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A PUB COME IN AND WANT THE CORNER AND START TALKING ABOUT OUTDOOR SEATING.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A COFFEE SHOP OR A PUB COME INTO THE MIDDLE SECTION AND START TALKING ABOUT THAT USE.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUN WITH IT AND I THINK WE'LL WE'LL BE A GOOD USE THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR? TALKED ABOUT VARIETY AND DIFFERENT RENTAL? HOW ABOUT AFFORDABILITY? I THINK AFFORDABILITY IS PARTLY WHY WE'RE HAVING DIFFERENT SCALES OF UNITS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME STUDIOS THAT WOULD BE A LOWER PRICE POINT.

AND THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT SIZES OF ONES.

STUDIOS TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSIENT, SO WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF STUDIOS.

ONES TEND TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LONGEVITY OF LEASES.

SO BUT WE WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT SCALES OF ONE SO THAT WE'VE GOT SOME ONES THAT ARE LOWER PRICED AND ONES THAT ARE HIGHER PRICED, AGAIN, DEPEND ON THE AMENITIES.

AND THEN WE GET INTO TWOS AND THREES.

SO SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY BY JUST HAVING DIFFERENT SCALES OF UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE UNDER THE RENT WITH DIFFERENT RENT POINTS.

I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PER SAY IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S NEARLY 300 UNITS, 290, WELL, WE'LL HAVE SOME RENTS THAT ARE BELOW AM-I JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE UNITS. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE AFFORDABILITY IN THE STATES DEFINITION, LIKE MR. OR SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT PLANNING LIKE MISSION TYPE FINANCE UNITS.

NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. IS THERE A IS THERE A BALLPARK PRICE POINT FOR, SAY, A TWO BEDROOM THAT YOU COULD.

YES.

YOU CAN STOP. JUST STOP IT.

YES, THE ANSWER IS YES.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT OUR PRO FORMAS THAT WE'VE GOT BUILT UP.

I THINK IF AND I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT PRO FORMA HERE AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF NUMBERS IN MY HEAD SIMILAR TO ELEVATION, I WOULD SAY IS OUR TARGET.

YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S FOR A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, MIKE AND I TALKED ABOUT COMPS FROM ELEVATION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANYTHING EVEN LISTED FOR A ONE BEDROOM BECAUSE THEY'RE MOSTLY FULL.

YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE QUESTION OF THE FIVE YEARS AND POSSIBLE CHANGES.

MY ASSUMPTION IS WHILE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE APPROVAL FOR THE WHOLE DEAL, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES, SIR. WILL THERE NOT STILL BE A PROCESS ON APPROVAL PROCESS AS FAR AS THE PROJECT GOES? I MEAN, DON'T THEY STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT AS IT COMES ALONG? SO THE SITE PLAN STILL HAS TO GET APPROVED INTERNALLY AND THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO GET BUILDING PERMITS AND ALL THAT.

BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, FROM A BROADER PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE AN UMBRELLA APPROVAL OF THE MUPUD AND THEN THE SITE PLAN WILL COME IN UNDER THAT. AND THAT'S DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO IF THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN WHAT WE APPROVE.

THEN THAT BRINGS IT BACK.

IF IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A MAJOR AMENDMENT UNDER THE ORDINANCE, THAT WAS.

SO ISN'T THAT DOES THAT IN A SENSE ANSWER THE LONGEVITY QUESTION.

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IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN.

WE'LL FOLLOW UP AND EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE FURTHER.

IN TERMS OF WHAT SINCE THIS IS A NEW ORDINANCE, WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT AND WHAT WOULD BRING IT BACK? I HAD A KIND OF A NITPICKY QUESTION.

ONE CAN I ASK WHY YELLOW? IT'S QUITE BRIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN ACCURATE DEPICTION, BUT JUST WHY YELLOW? IT'S A COLOR THAT USUALLY IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MORE WELCOMING GESTURE, ACTUALLY.

SO OUR FRONT BUILDING, WE CHOSE YELLOW, BUT IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT COLOR BUT IT'S..

NOTHING AGAINST YELLOW, JUST CURIOUS.

ACTUALLY DOES HAVE SOME MEANING SO.

I MEAN, IT'S BRIGHT AND VIBRANT AND I'M JUST JUST CURIOUS.

IT TENDS TO BE ONE OF THOSE COLORS THAT DOESN'T GET PEOPLE AGITATED.

I MEAN IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD COLOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK A QUESTION, I WILL, TOO.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SYNTHETIC SIDING BOARD AND BATTEN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SYNTHETIC SIDING? WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY EITHER VINYL PRODUCTS OR METALS POTENTIALLY.

WE'RE NOT USING REAL WOOD PAINTED.

IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT DECADES OF HAVING TO MAINTAIN THIS STUFF.

SO A GREAT THING IS THERE'S WONDERFUL SYNTHETICS OUT THERE.

A LOT OF IT'S IN THE DETAILS, HOW YOU TRIM OUT WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS TO CREATE ENDURING BUILDINGS THAT LOOK FRESH AND DON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF KEEPING UP TO THEM.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR? THANK YOU. I MISSED HOW HE DID THIS. I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME UP.

IF IT DOESN'T COME UP RIGHT AWAY.

EXCUSE ME, SIR. I'M SORRY.

OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY, THEN I CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

ONE COMMENT THOUGH.

THE REASON THAT PROPERTY HAS LANGUISHED FOR SO LONG IS NOT BECAUSE OF ITS NOT MARKETABILITY, IT'S BECAUSE OF RELUCTANCE OF THE OWNERS TO LEASE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY.

THE TOWNSHIP SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH HORROCKS TO GET A HORROCKS IN THERE, BUT THAT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THE OWNERS DIDN'T WANT TO LEASE PROPERTY.

OKAY, SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE HASLETT PICA FROM THE 2017 MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS IT. AND JUST AS AS THE PROJECT SHOWS, THIS ENVISIONS THE HOUSING BEING HERE A LITTLE BIT OVER ON HASLETT ROAD WITH COMMERCIAL INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE PICA CALLS FOR ABOUT 87,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND 320 HOUSING UNITS.

THIS WAS IN 2017.

AFTER THE MASTER PLAN CAME OUT, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF MOVEMENT TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.

AND IN 2019, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD PAID $25,000 TO HAVE A MARKET STUDY DONE OF BOTH OF THE THREE PICAS, ONE FOR OKEMOS AND ONE FOR HASLETT.

THE TWO PICAS AND HASLETT, WHICH WAS THIS ONE, THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE AREA, AS WELL AS THE KERRIDGE HILLS AREA.

AND THAT STUDY SHOWED FOUR HOUSING UNITS, A MAXIMUM OF 347, WITH A MINIMUM LOW ESTIMATE OF 37.

THIS IS FOR BOTH AREAS IN HASLETT, 141,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, 62 TO 141000 AND 17000 TO 30 40,000 OF OFFICE SPACE.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT FOR BOTH AREAS OF HASLETT BOTH THE CARRIAGE HILLS AND.

WELL, LET ME ASK.

SO YOU ASKING ABOUT WHAT GETS BUILT WHEN.

SO RATHER THAN HAVING TO LOOK AT THAT CHART, THIS WAS THE FIRST PART TO GET BUILT, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THESE BUILDINGS.

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THE THIRD PART, PHASE FIVE IS DOWN HERE.

AND THE LAST THING TO GET BUILT IS THE TOWNHOUSES.

REGARDING THE RETAIL BUILDING, WHICH YOU DID BRING UP, THERE IS NO MENTION OF THAT IN THE PHASING PLAN OR THE BUILDING PLAN.

AND IN FACT, IN THERE THERE WAS AN APPLICATION MADE TO THE MERIDIAN REDEVELOPMENT FUND TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND IN THAT APPLICATION, THEY WERE ASKED, WILL THE PROJECT BE LEASED OR SOLD AT COMPLETION? AND THIS IS FROM THEIR APPLICATION.

IT SAYS THE CORNER SITE MAY BE BUILT TO SUIT AND LEASED OR SOLD.

SO YOUR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT NOT EVER BEING BUILT IS A GOOD ONE.

AND I THINK YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT GETS BUILT MAYBE IN THE SECOND BUILDING PART OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE AS YOU POINTED OUT, THAT'S ONLY 7000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS 2.7% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOT OF THE PROJECT.

THE UNITS CHANGED IN THERE.

THEIR AMENDED PROPOSAL HERE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS CHANGED BACK TO 290, BUT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF BEDS WENT UP FROM 423 TO 449 BEDS.

THAT'S A BETTER ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE IN THAT AREA.

AND IF YOU ADD THAT TO THE 155 BEDS PROPOSED FOR PINE VILLAGE, TALKING ABOUT 604 BEDROOMS IN THIS LITTLE COMPACT AREA THAT'S GETTING PRETTY INTENSE, I THINK.

AND TO CALL THAT A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, I THINK IS REALLY A MISNOMER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S MEANT BY WALKABLE IN THE SENSE I ENVISION WALKABLE COMMUNITY AS MEANING YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND

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MAYBE WALKABLE COMMUNITY JUST MEANS IT HAS SIDEWALKS AND PRETTY STREETS AND PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND IT FEELING COMFORTABLE.

BUT I HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT WALKABLE COMMUNITY MEANS.

JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME, BUT THE FIRST PERSON WHEN LYNN PAIGE WAS HERE, I THINK SHE WENT FOR 5 MINUTES OR SO.

AND I DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS, AND I'M GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER CORDILL BROUGHT UP ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT INTO THE MUPUD PLAN THAT THERE BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE'S A DEFINITE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TOWNSHIP.

BY MICHIGAN'S DEFINITION OF WHATEVER IT IS, PERCENT OF THE POVERTY LEVEL THAT IT SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE AND ACCESSIBLE, HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. NOW I KNOW THAT PINE VILLAGE IS A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.

AND SO TO HAVE ACCESSIBLE APARTMENTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, I THINK IS IS A GOOD THING.

ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE THIS, SO I'LL JUST TALK MY CONCERN ABOUT IT.

THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY AND I CONFIRMED THIS BY GOING ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE LOOKING AT THEIR CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR AN MUPUD, A TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO HERE TO DETERMINE WHETHER A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NEEDED.

THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED WHEN THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR.

AND ACCORDING TO THE CHART THAT THEY PROVIDED, BECAUSE 181 TRIPS IN THE AM PEAK AND 125 TRIPS IN THE PM PEAKS.

SO AND THE STAFF CONCLUDED THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NOT REQUIRED.

SO I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT THAT I HOPE WE'LL GET ANSWERED.

THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, 10 SECONDS.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I THINK HASLETT NEEDS A IT'S NOT A BIG COMMUNITY.

[7C. Mixed-Use Planned Unit Development #22014 – 1621 & 1625 Haslett Road – Haslett Village]

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY.

[01:00:06]

AND WHILE SHE'S WALKING UP, IF YOU'D INDULGE HER A MOMENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY MR. BOWLBY'S POINT ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

IT'S REALLY A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED.

AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS AN INCREASE OF ONLY 45 TRIPS IN THE AMM AND ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN THE PM.

SO IT DOES NOT RISE TO THE REQUIREMENT OF A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY.

HOWEVER, TO THE POINT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET GOOD INFORMATION AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CLARIFY THE INFORMATION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSAL. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

AMBER CLARK, 1348 BAY SHORE DRIVE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

I WANT TO SPEAK VERY QUICKLY TO THE PROJECT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LAKE DRIVE GROUP SINCE PROBABLY LAST MAY ON THIS MIXED USE COMPONENT.

I PREVIOUSLY SAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DID THINK HARD ON THE MIXED USE, ESPECIALLY THE MIX PART BEING BEING THE RESIDENTIAL PART COMES EASY. HOW DO WE CONFIRM THE COMMERCIAL? AND THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFICULT ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO I THINK WORKING WITH DIRECTOR SCHMITT AND THEIR TEAM, THE COMMUNITY PLANNING TEAM, WE ARE WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ATTRACT THEM TO COMMERCIAL OPERATORS.

SO WE WE HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT KIND OF DIRECTION WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS ON PROPOSED CONCEPT PLANS, ESPECIALLY MIXED USE, WE ARE EITHER RECOMMENDING TO A DEVELOPER THAT HAS THE EXPERIENCE OR WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER BEHIND THEM TO DO A COMMERCIAL PROJECT TO TACKLE ONE.

WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THIS IF WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT THE BOSGRAAF GROUP [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE GROUP COULD PULL OFF THE MIXED USE PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

SO SOMETHING THAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB AS A PART OF HELPING FACILITATE THIS THROUGH OUR APPROVAL PROCESS IS TO TRY TO MATCH THEM UP WITH COMMERCIAL OPERATOR THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS IN AND TO MAKE THIS A FULL, WHOLESOME COMMUNITY PROJECT FOR EVERYBODY.

SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT TO YOU, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE AS A PART OF EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO GET THE MIX OF OF THE MUPD.

AND ANYTHING ELSE I COULD SAY IS I WISH EVERY PROJECT CAME TO US LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

EVERYTHING IN THE TOWNSHIP USED TO BE THE LAUNDROMAT OR A GAS STATION.

GUESS WHAT? THIS HAS TWO LAUNDROMATS ON IT.

AND SO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ISSUE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK HIGHLY ENOUGH OF THIS TEAM, BUT ALSO TO SAY THAT THIS IS MEETING ALL OF OUR DISNEYLAND WISH FOR THE PICA.

I WANT TO REFER TO THE PEAK OF BEING ALL FOUR CORNERS.

AND SO IT IS A VERY LARGE AREA TO CONCENTRATE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL ESPECIALLY IN THIS MARKET.

BREAKING UP COMMERCIAL IN THIS KIND OF WAY IS IS A FINANCIAL LENDING OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPERS IN 2022.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, 1980 WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN, WE'RE ON AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT MARKET AND A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. I'M AFRAID DIRECTOR SCHMITT REMINDED ME OF A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN SCRATCHING MY HEAD.

IT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. YEAH.

YEAH. AN OVERALL DECREASE OF 120 TRIPS AT THE PM PEAK.

IT'S A HUGE COMMERCIAL CENTER.

I MEAN, IT WOULD BE EXPECTED THAT SHOPPING CENTER, IF IT WAS FULL, IT WOULD BE GENERATING A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THE BMV.

SO. SO THE DECREASE IS OVER.

WHAT WOULD WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT WERE THAT STILL A GROCERY STORE.

CORRECT. THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING LAND USE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE, AND THAT'S HOW YOU DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, THAT THIS IS SORT OF THE STANDARD OF HOW YOU DO AN IT ANALYSIS.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND WE'VE WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHETHER OUR STANDARDS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CONTEXT AND WHAT KIND OF STREET YOU'RE PUTTING TRAFFIC ON TO AND OFF OF.

BUT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MANUAL SAYS, OKAY, THERE IS POTENTIALLY A GROCERY STORE, THERE COULD BE AN OPERATION, THERE'S ALL THIS OTHER.

BUT TO THE COMMON PERSON WHO COMES AT THIS AND HEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF BUILDINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100 LESS CARS A DAY THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF SENSE.

JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T A DECREASE IN EXISTING TRAFFIC, IT'S A DECREASE IN POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IF THAT GROCERY STORE WERE IN OPERATION AND ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES THERE. SO LET'S NOT PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THE NOTION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DECREASE IN THE CURRENT TRAFFIC.

THAT'S MY POINT. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO ATTRACT COMMERCIAL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

OTHERWISE, IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE. WELL YEAH TAKING A DERELICT SHOPPING CENTER AND PUTTING TWO NEW DRIVE THROUGHS IN AND HAVING A DECREASE IN TRAFFIC.

[01:05:05]

IT JUST DOESN'T. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET, WE'RE REVERTING TO A BUT I WISH WE HAD A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THIS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THIS A DIFFERENT WAY.

ANYONE ELSE. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO FOLLOW UP ON.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE NEXT COUPLE.

I'M GOING TO TRY AND GET A MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECT TOMORROW ACTUALLY, AND START ON THIS LIST.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SUGGESTION TO THE CHAIR IS THAT RATHER THAN TAKE A STRAW VOTE AT THIS POINT, WE WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING TO GET SOME FURTHER INFORMATION AND THEN PROCEED.

THEN FROM A STRAW VOTE, YOU CAN GO FORWARD.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST TOO MANY QUESTIONS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST WE'VE ALMOST BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND SOME OF US ARE OLD PEOPLE.

POINT WELL TAKEN, WHICH MEANS THERE ARE OTHER KINDS OF NEEDS THAT COME UP AFTER TWO AND A HALF HOURS.

[INAUDIBLE] ONCE.

THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD THEN, CORRECT.

SO WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND ALSO SO WE GET A TIMELY MOVEMENT THROUGH DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO BEING DONE.

WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OF THE BUSINESS AND REPORTS LET'S.

THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT IT'S NOW 9:27.

WE ARE CLOSING ITEM SEVEN C.

WHY DON'T WE TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK FOR THE OLDER PEOPLE? WAIT A MINUTE. HAVE NOTIFIED US THAT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS AVAILABLE AT THIS LINK. THERE'S NO NEED TO DISCUSS IT THIS EVENING, BUT UNDER THE STATE LAW THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE US NOTICE.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT NOTICE.

AT THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL WORK ON DRAFTING A LETTER OF ANY COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAS AND IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY AS WELL, AND WE WILL MOVE ON.

SO IN THE INTERIM, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK IT OVER AND YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, JUST SHOOT US A NOTE.

DOES IT REQUIRE NOTICE TO CONTIGUOUS TOWNSHIPS? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR YES, ALONG WITH UTILITIES AND RAILROADS.

AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS NOTED IN THE STATE NAME OF THE LEGISLATION, LIKE THE 60 DAYS OF 45.

45. SO NO ACTION IS NEEDED ON THIS THIS EVENING.

WE JUST WANTED TO GET IT TO YOU SO YOU CAN LOOK IT OVER.

I'M SORRY. ITEM NINE B, ITEM NINE B UNDER MICHIGAN ENABLING LEGISLATION.

THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP IS ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES WHERE ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO SERVES ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

THAT POSITION WAS PREVIOUSLY HELD BY MR. HENDRICKSON. COMMISSIONER HENDRICKSON, PRIOR TO HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

SO WE DO NEED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

WE MEET ONCE A MONTH ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, AND YOU'RE GETTING NEW STANDARDS OF REVIEW FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

TWO QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A PLAN IN THE BOARD'S NEAR FUTURE TO REPLACE MR. HENDERSON? NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO. WHAT TIME OF THE DAY DOES THE MEETING TAKE PLACE? ZBA MEETS AT 6:30 IN THE EVENING ON WEDNESDAYS.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO SUPERVISOR JACKSON RECENTLY ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'M CERTAIN THAT SHE IS WORKING ON IT BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST HIGH PROFILE OF THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS.

BUT 6:30 IN THE EVENING, 6:30 IN THE EVENING IS THE ZBA MEETING TIME THAT SOMEONE.

WELL, LET ME JUST ASK THIS. IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION CURRENTLY WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER FOR THAT POSITION? IF I COULD GET OFF MY 8:00 MEETING ON THE BOARD THAT I'M CURRENTLY ON, I WOULD GO TO A 6:30 MEETING.

I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO HOW THAT COULD WORK, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION.

I'M CURRENTLY ON THE BRA COMMITTEE.

I WOULD I WOULD DO THAT, BUT I WON'T DO BOTH.

OKAY. THE 8:00 IN THE MORNING IS NOT AS DESIRABLE AS THE 6:30 IN THE EVENING.

NOW, THE DDA BOARD MEETS AT 730 IN THE MORNING.

YEAH, WE WILL.

WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT OPTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO EVERYONE THINK ABOUT WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE BRA IF MR. PRIMOE TAKES THE ZBA.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

I'D BE WANTING TO DO BRA.

OKAY. LET ME WORK THROUGH THE MACHINATIONS OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

AND NEXT MEETING WE'LL SWAP IT.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. I BRING THAT UP.

IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS STRONGER ABOUT IT.

[01:10:02]

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NINE C, WHICH IS MUNICIPAL SIGNAGE.

LAST, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM I HAVE THIS EVENING.

THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS MOVING ALONG QUITE NICELY.

I WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO HOPEFULLY FINALIZE A DRAFT.

HOWEVER, THE MUNICIPAL SIGN UPDATE PROJECT HAS ALL OF A SUDDEN GOT ROLLER SKATES AND IT'S GOING TO GET AHEAD OF ME, SO I NEED TO CATCH UP.

AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND WHAT WE WILL BRING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT ONE OF THE NEXT MEETINGS IS TO BRING FORWARD THE CHANGE TO SECTION 696 AHEAD OF THE REMAINDER OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS TO EXEMPT THE TOWNSHIP FROM THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

THIS IS LARGELY BECAUSE THE SIGNS THAT WE PUT OUT ARE NOT SIGNS.

THEY'RE NOT ADVERTISING SIGNS.

TECHNICALLY, THE LAND PRESERVES SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNS UNDER THE ORDINANCE.

TECHNICALLY, WE WILL BE UNABLE TO DO THE REPLACEMENT SIGN PROJECTS OUT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WHERE THE PUBLIC OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AND WHERE THE NOKOMIS LEARNING CENTER IS AND WHERE TOWNSHIP HALL IS ALL IN THE SAME SIGN.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

SIGNAGE FOR MUNICIPALITIES ARE GENERALLY MORE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE TYPE SIGNS THAN ADVERTISING SIGNS.

AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING THIS.

WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD THIS AMENDMENT.

THE SIGN SUBCOMMITTEE DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN WITH THIS SECTION AND TRY AND GET THIS PIECE DONE IN ADVANCE OF THE WHOLESALE REVIEW OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, WHICH IS COMING AT YOU VERY QUICKLY.

IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS DELETING THE CURRENT LANGUAGE AND JUST SUBSTITUTING, SAYING THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE TOWNSHIP, CORRECT? OKAY. THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT.

ANY CHANGE OF MESSAGE SIGN, ANY CHANGE OF MESSAGE SIGN STILL REQUIRES PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL.

SO YOU WILL SEE POTENTIAL CHANGE OF MESSAGE SIGNS FOR TOWNSHIP IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THE ELECTRONICS ON YES ON THAT TOPIC I NOTIFIED PEOPLE WHAT I LEARNED AT AS A LIAISON TO THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THAT IS THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS CONSIDERING BUYING SIGNS TO ASSIST BUSINESSES THAT ARE DISRUPTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION ON GRAND RIVER.

CORRECT. THAT IS A THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE.

BUT YES, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD, SORT OF WITH ANY QUOTE UNQUOTE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AS DEFINED BY THE TOWNSHIP.

I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA, BUT IT'S A GOOD REASON WHY IT WOULD BE AN EXEMPT FROM FROM CONTROL OF THE SITUATION.

WE TEND TO AGREE. TEMPORARY IN NATURE.

TEMPORARY IN NATURE, YES.

OKAY. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE TOWNSHIP AND GOT INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS HERE IS THAT ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP'S PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

THERE IS IN A LOT OF GOVERNMENTAL UNITS THERE'S A GOVERNMENT ZONING WHICH THEN TALKS TO SIGNAGE, HAS ITS OWN.

BUT HERE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I MEAN, THE SIGNS ARE VERY, VERY, VERY RESTRICTIVE IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

BUT THIS PROPERTY HERE THAT WE'RE SITTING ON IS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER.

IT'S A IT'S A USE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF WHY THE SIGN ORDINANCE REALLY DOESN'T I MEAN, PART OF IT, NOT THE WHOLE THING, BUT PART OF WHY THE SIGN ORDINANCE DOESN'T REALLY FIT GOVERNMENT USE.

BECAUSE OF THIS RESIDENTIAL ZONING ANYWAY.

ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 10A, TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.

MAIN UPDATE THAT WE HAVE IS THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAS HAD AN INITIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIX ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS/REZONING REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SENT FORWARD.

THEY ARE GENERALLY HAVE NO MAJOR CONCERNS THAT ANY OF THEM WILL BE INTRODUCING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OF THEM TOMORROW NIGHT.

THE REZONING FOR [INAUDIBLE], THE LAKE LANSING LOCK COVERS LAKE LANSING SETBACKS AND THE CHANGE OF THE ZBA STANDARDS.

THE THREE, NEXT, WE'LL BRING FORWARD TO ONE OF THE NEXT MEETINGS, THE DECKS, THE FENCE AND THE DILUTION OF THE RRR DISTRICT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS TRAIN CHUGGING.

WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE WE'RE PREPPING TO BRING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START EATING THAT OFF OF ONE BITE.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY CHOMPING AWAY AT THIS.

THAT IS THE MAIN UPDATE. AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAS CERTAINLY BEEN VERY BUSY WITH THE DANIELS DRAIN PROJECT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

BUT THAT IS THE THESE ARE THE MAIN ITEMS RELATED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

[01:15:03]

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR YOU.

YOU SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NO, THAT'S NOT A COMPLAINT.

THAT WAS THAT WAS A REPORT.

WE WE DID NOT MEET.

WE HAVEN'T MET FOR THE LAST COUPLE.

ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION MEETS IN MAY AND WE HAVEN'T MET SINCE MARCH.

SO JUST. THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN QUIET.

WELL, THEN WE ARE NOW ON NUMBER 11, PROJECT UPDATES.

ANY NEW APPLICATIONS? WE HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING NEW RECENTLY.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF MATRICULATING, BUT NOTHING.

NOBODY'S PULLED THE TRIGGER.

HOW ABOUT, SAY, PLANS RECEIVED OR APPROVED? NOTHING. WE'RE FROM AN APPROVAL PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE WRAPPING UP LOOSE ENDS ON THIRD PHASE OF ELEVATION.

THE TOTALLY WE SWEAR IT'S NOT TRADER JOE'S BUILDING THE YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP UP FROM SO THAT THEY CAN GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE.

THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT FOR ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS THE FINAL PUBLIC REMARKS THAT WE DON'T HAVE MEMBERS.

I DON'T THINK OUR REPORTER IS GOING TO BE MAKING PUBLIC REMARKS.

SO. AND SO THERE IS NO MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.

THEREFORE, WE ARE ON ITEM 13, WHICH IS ADJOURNMENT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MAKE THAT MOTION.

SECOND. SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

NO OPPOSITION.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.