Dec 13, 2021 Planning Commission

OK. ALL RIGHT, IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE MERIDIAN

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THIS IS OUR DECEMBER 13TH TWENTY TWENTY ONE REGULAR MEETING.

GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.

SO WE WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

UM, PRESENT, I AM AT MY HOME IN OKEMOS.

COMMISSIONER SNYDER. UH, PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN HASLETT, COMMISSIONER BLUMER PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

COMMISSIONER RICHARDS PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

I AM PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, COMMISSIONER CORDILL, I'M PARTICIPATING REMOTELY FROM MY HOME IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, COMMISSIONER PREMOE PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

AND I AM PRESENT FROM MY HOME IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN REMEMBRANCE OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE STORMS THAT HAVE DEVASTATED THE MIDWEST AND SOUTHEAST.

AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS PUBLIC REMARKS. THERE WILL BE TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC REMARKS THIS EVENING.

RIGHT NOW AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING.

PLEASE REMEMBER IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US TO MAKE REMARKS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU MAY DO SO IN ONE OF TWO WAYS.

YOU MAY USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE IF YOU ARE IN OUR ATTENDEES AREA OF THE ZOOM MEETING, OR ALTERNATIVELY YOU MAY CALL US.

THE PHONE NUMBER TO CALL IS FIVE ONE SEVEN THREE FOUR NINE ONE TWO THREE TWO.

AND OUR STAFF WILL PUT YOU THROUGH DIRECTLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

REMEMBER THAT REMARKS WERE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR PUBLIC RECORD AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR REMARKS.

WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.

I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS UP, DO WE HAVE ANY CALLS COMING IN? THERE ARE NO CALLS COMING IN, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC REMARKS AT 7:03.

OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? MOVE BY COMMISSIONER BLUMER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

ANY CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

SEEING, NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AGENDA SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND THE AGENDA PASSES, MOVE ON TO OUR ONE SET OF MEETING MINUTES FOR APPROVAL, WHICH IS FOR THE NOVEMBER 8TH TWENTY TWENTY ONE MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES THIS EVENING? MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

ANY AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES THIS EVENING.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. WELL, ONE VERY CRUCIAL CHANGE I WANTED TO PUT IN HERE ON ITEM EIGHT, THE QUESTION ABOUT VEHICLES PERMITTED TO USE THE BANK DRIVE THROUGH.

THE APPLICANT REPLIED THAT ANY PRIVATE VEHICLE UNDER 10 FEET WOULD BE PERMITTED,

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

I JUST WANT TO SPECIFY THAT WAS TWO WHEELED VEHICLES THAT [INAUDIBLE] THE COMMISSIONER BLUMER WOULD NOT LET THAT GO BY WITHOUT CORRECTION.

OK, WE'LL, CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION.

AND THE OTHER CHANGES? OK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES AS AMENDED SAY AYE.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA IS COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE NONE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE HAVE NONE.

UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WE HAVE NONE.

WHICH BRINGS US TO OTHER BUSINESS 9A TWENTY TWENTY TWO MASTER PLAN AND ORDINANCE UPDATES.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM DIRECTOR SCHMITT.

OH, PRESENTATION IS A VERY LOOSE DEFINITION.

I JUST WANT TO GO OVER BIG PICTURE SORT OF THE NEXT YEAR FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

ON THE HEELS OF THE GOAL SETTING THAT WE DID WITH THE TOWNSHIP BOARD ON SATURDAY WHILE THE WIND WAS GOING CRAZY OUTSIDE.

SO WE'VE GOT THE BIG THING NEXT YEAR IS OBVIOUSLY OUR KICKOFF TO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE FOR THE TOWNSHIP. THE TOWNSHIP DID AN EXTENSIVE OVERHAUL IN 2017 TO THE MASTER PLAN.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE AND GIVEN THAT THIS IS A FIVE YEAR UPDATE, I DO NOT

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[9A. 2022 Master Plan and Ordinance updates]

AND SO I ANTICIPATE THIS AND I THINK THIS IS HOW MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE STARTED ADDRESSING LONG RANGE PLANNING IN LIGHT OF THE 2007-2008 AMENDMENTS TO THE STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION IS THAT THEY DO, MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT HADN'T DONE A PLAN FOR A LONG TIME DO A BIG BLOWOUT, HUGE UPDATE PLAN.

AND THEN WHEN THE FIVE YEARS COMES AROUND, THEY TAKE A MORE NUANCED APPROACH AND THEY LOOK AT THE GOALS AND LOOK AT SPECIFIC THINGS, ESPECIALLY, I THINK, GIVEN.

THAT WE ARE STILL COMING OUT OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, AND WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THE LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ARE FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.

OFFICE SPACE.

NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.

WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY.

WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COST OF MANY COMMODITIES ARE COMING BACK DOWN, BUT YOU STILL CAN'T FIND A LOT OF THINGS.

OFFICE SPACE HASN'T TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD THE WAY I THINK PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO.

BUT A LOT OF PLACES AREN'T FULLY BACK YET, EITHER, AND SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR LONG TERM NEEDS ARE.

AND SO STAFF IS VIEWING THIS AS A SMALLER UPDATE THAN THE 2017 PLAN, AND I'VE OUTLINED SORT OF MY INITIAL SORT OF THOUGHTS BEHIND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE HITTING IN THIS PLAN.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THAT'S SORT OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE DOCUMENT, USUALLY WE WILL HAVE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA FROM THE CENSUS, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE RELATIVELY UP TO DATE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA.

I WILL, AND YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS UNTIL I NO LONGER WORK HERE, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING AND UPDATING, IF NECESSARY, THE URBAN SERVICES BOUNDARY.

BECAUSE THE WAY TO MAKE THAT A LONG TERM, LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE DOCUMENT IS TO REVIEW IT.

EVERY TIME YOU REVIEW YOUR MASTER PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.

IT MAY NOT CHANGE. NOTHING MAY CHANGE.

BUT THE FACT IS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BOUNDARY AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE SUCH THAT NO CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE, OR THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE IT HERE AND HERE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT TO KEEP ESTABLISHING THAT LEGAL BASIS FOR WHY IT'S THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T LONG TERM, AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WILL CHALLENGE IT AND THEY'LL HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT YOU HAVEN'T REALLY REVIEWED IT.

AND SO WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2007 OR 2017 THAT IS? WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, THE MOST RECENT PLAN FROM THE LAST MAJOR OVERHAUL WAS LOOKED AT. SO THOSE ARE SORT OF WHERE I ANTICIPATE THE BIG PICTURE ITEMS HERE, STARTING HOPEFULLY LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, HOPEFULLY BY THEN WILL BE LARGELY PAST THIS PANDEMIC BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE WITH, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF GETTING PUBLIC INPUT AS WE GO INTO THIS.

WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR FOR CONSULTANTS.

TO BE FRANK, I ANTICIPATE UTILIZING THAT MONEY FOR COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT TO HELP US DO THAT OUTREACH AND DO THAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP TO LARGER SCALE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

I JUST DON'T. AND EVEN IF WE'RE OVER IT, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, WHY WOULD I GO TO A PLANNING MEETING? I CAN FINALLY TRAVEL OR I CAN FINALLY GO TO A CONCERT OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION NEXT YEAR.

AND SO MY GOAL, I THINK, IS TO UTILIZE THOSE BUDGETED FUNDS TO BRING IN SOME COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS TO HELP US OUT AND GET THAT INPUT THAT WE NEED AND GET THAT INPUT THAT THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

AND SO THAT'S BIG PICTURE, WHERE I ANTICIPATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE END OF THE YEAR, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS EVENING IS. UM, SO WE SET FORTH OUR SORT OF DEPARTMENTAL GOALS THAT WENT TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION THIS WEEKEND, AND THOSE ARE IN THE PACKET FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, AND JUST BRIEFLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT PLANNING IS REALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON NEXT YEAR.

AND I PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND MANAGER WALSH MADE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T JUST MAKE IT EASY, MAKE SHOOT FOR THE MOON. SO. I PUT TOGETHER A ROBUST LIST, AND WE'RE GOING, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, WE WILL STRUGGLE TO GET THEM ALL DONE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OURSELVES BUSY, THAT'S FOR SURE. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE FOUR BIG ONES THAT WENT INTO MORE OF THE BOARD'S GOAL ORIENTED DOCUMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, ASSISTING WITH THE PARKS PLAN UPDATE BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO UP THIS YEAR, AN ART POLICY FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PARKS DEPARTMENT AND AMBER CLARK, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT I THINK WE'RE FINALLY THERE NOW

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AND FURTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOAL DEPENDENT.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO START PAYING SOME MORE ATTENTION TO AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO FURTHER SUPPORT PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

FROM A MICRO-LEVEL ON A DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT PLAN HERE SORT OF AT THE TAIL END OF THE PLAN, AND THAT IS CONSOLIDATE THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS WE HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

IT'S ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE PLAN AND IT'S GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT, BUT IT'S WELL WORTH IT BECAUSE MY VISION.

GIVEN THAT WE ARE LARGELY.

TRANSITIONING AS A TOWNSHIP TO MORE OF A BROWNFIELD TYPE TOWNSHIP WHERE WE'RE BUILT OUT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT INFILL OPPORTUNITIES.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREENFIELD SITES THAT YOU CAN JUST DROP A NEW SUBDIVISION IN. SO FROM THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT ALL OUR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

WHAT THEY WANT IS HOW CAN I BUILD A DECK? HOW BIG IS THE DECK I CAN PUT ON? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE I WANT TO ADD BECAUSE I GOT A CORVETTE NOW THAT I'VE RETIRED? IT'S QUESTIONS LIKE THAT.

AND SO MY BIG PICTURE GOAL IS I WOULD LOVE AND YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY ABOUT THIS GETTING OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS LITERALLY DOWN TO A SINGLE PAGE THAT CAN HAND SOMEONE.

HERE IS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR ZONING DISTRICT NOW.

IT'S A BIG, AUDACIOUS GOAL, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DO THIS IS FOR BIG, AUDACIOUS THINGS, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, KICK OFF THE MASTER PLAN, UPDATE THE EXISTING LAND USE MAP IN ANTICIPATION OF THE MASTER PLAN, CONTINUE TO WORK ON ALL OUR PROCESSES.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO GOING COMPLETELY PAPERLESS THIS YEAR AS MUCH, ESPECIALLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND PROBABLY ON THE PLANNING SIDE AS WELL.

OUR STORAGE, IF YOU EVER COME, INTO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE TOWNSHIP HALL, I CAN SHOW YOU OUR STORAGE. WE HAVE PAPER EVERYWHERE AND THERE IS PAPER ON PAPER IN EVERYWHERE.

AND SO WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING INTO PAPERLESS SYSTEMS GOING FORWARD.

WE'RE GOING TO-- WE ARE DUE FOR [INAUDIBLE] CERTIFICATION, RE-CERTIFICATION.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DIRECTOR CLARK AND I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON OUR PARKING STANDARDS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S POPPED UP A COUPLE OF TIMES IN CONVERSATIONS WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND TOWNSHIP BOARD MEMBERS.

AND I THINK IT'S TIME. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE.

PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE] PROCESS, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING STATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND WE NEED TO START GETTING AHEAD OF THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE IN IT IN A WAY THAT IS BENEFICIAL BUT NOT BURDENSOME? AND WE STILL-- WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON FIGURING THAT OUT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE NEED TO DO IT. AND LASTLY, AND SORT OF TRANSITIONING INTO MY SECOND PIECE HERE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE HERE.

THE STATE LAW IS PRETTY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW ARE.

THERE'S REALLY NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T JUST BE USING THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ENABLING LEGISLATION OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO, AND I THINK THE ZBA WOULD READILY ADMIT THAT SOMETIMES THEY STRUGGLE WITH. THERE'S SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN A FEW OF THE APPROVAL STANDARDS THAT ARE JUST WORDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND SIMPLIFY THAT PROCESS FOR THEM.

BUT. THAT SORT OF DOVETAILS INTO THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT, IN PART OF THE MEMO I GAVE YOU IS SORT OF A-- I HATE TO CALL THEM MINOR QUOTE UNQUOTE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL MINOR, BUT THEY'RE RELATIVELY SMALL ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT BETWEEN KEITH AND BRIAN AND I.

WE'VE JUST NOTED OVER OUR TIME HERE THAT LIKE THAT LITTLE THING NEEDS CHANGED.

I GOT A RUNNING LIST ON MY DRY ERASE BOARD OF, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I RAN INTO WAS A SITE TRIANGLE ISSUE. A TREE HAD GROWN UP AND IT WAS NOW IN THE SITE TRIANGLE AND IT WAS ON A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STREET.

IT WASN'T A THROUGH STREET, IT WAS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR, IT WAS THE CORNER OF A CUL DE SAC AND JUST A LOOP ROAD, AND THREE OF THE FOUR CORNERS HAD TREES GROWN UP OVER THEM.

BUT BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN OUT AT THIS ONE HOUSE FOR A DIFFERENT REASON, IT WAS NOTED THAT THEY HAD A SITE TRIANGLE VIOLATION.

SO THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMON SENSE THAT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED TO THESE THINGS AND THAT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN AND WE DON'T HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN AND IT'S A LOW VOLUME STREET, WE CAN WAIVE IT AND MAKE IT MORE FORMAL.

AND SO THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST ONE THAT SORT OF SNOWBALLED THIS IN MY MIND.

WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE SOME ISSUES UP AROUND THE LAKE.

THOSE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE FIRST THINGS YOU SEE IN JANUARY THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS POINTED OUT.

WE'VE NOTED THAT WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS TRYING TO PUT A SECOND DECK ON A HOUSE, AND WE REALIZED THAT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE, WHICH GIVEN HOW MANY WALKOUTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WE HAVE IN THE TOWNSHIP, LIKE, OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE

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SO IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND TACKLE.

IT'S NOT TO SAY I'M NOT ALSO GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT SOME CONTROVERSIAL THINGS, TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THE MAJORITY OF OUR ORDINANCES HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED SINCE 1974.

AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND WHETHER IT STILL APPLIES IN MODERN TIMES AS WE MOVE INTO MORE OF A REDEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO A GREENFIELD COMMUNITY.

ONE OF THOSE IS GOING TO BE THE TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

I'VE HAD MULTIPLE BUSINESS OWNERS NOW TELL ME THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DESIGN A PROJECT UNDER LIKE TWENTY FOUR NINE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE LONG TERM NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO BUILD LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR OUR [INAUDIBLE] IN THE LONG RUN.

I'M ALSO-- WE ALSO REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT JUST SOME OF THE PROCESS STUFF LIKE WE DO A SITE PLAN, PUBLIC HEARING AT THE VERY-- IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS.

AND IT SEEMS DISINGENUOUS TO ME TO ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN ON THE ONE PART OF THE PROCESS, WHICH IS COMPLETELY NON-DISCRETIONARY, LIKE IF IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE SHALL BE APPROVED.

UNDERSTANDING [INAUDIBLE] LEGISLATION, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT.

IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO-- WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT ON SOME OF THESE PUBLIC HEARING TYPE ITEMS. HOW BETTER CAN WE USE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUR WEBSITE, WHICH FRANKLY GET WAY MORE TRACTION THAN A SIGN WE PUT ON A PROPERTY OR THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END, WHICH IN MY TIME, IN MY SIX MONTHS TO SEVEN MONTHS HERE, ALMOST I HAVE HAD ZERO PEOPLE ATTEND.

SO IT'S CLEARLY NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE BROADER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

SO HOW CAN WE DO BETTER? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH A PROJECTS PAGE.

SO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS PAGE MORE GEARED TOWARDS STUFF THAT DIRECTOR CLARK WORKS ON AND THEN SORT OF A PENDING APPLICATIONS PAGE.

THAT'S JUST HERE'S THE PLAN.

HERE'S THE WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED AND GET IT OUT THERE TO PEOPLE MORE PROMINENTLY. SO ANY THOUGHTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ON THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS OUT TO THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT.

LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED HERE IN ANTICIPATION OF THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR GOALS FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

I WOULD WELCOME ANY INPUT NOW OR LATER.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING, CALL US OR IF YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE ITEM THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS WANTED ME TO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO TACKLE IT.

BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY ARE JUST A COUPLE OF SENTENCE CHANGES, BUT OTHER ONES ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME AND MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.

SO THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO CHAT ABOUT THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS FOR DIRECTOR SCHMITT ABOUT WHAT HE'S LAYING OUT FOR NEXT YEAR? I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT IN CASE ANYONE HAS NOT MET BRIAN SHORKEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE FORMALLY INTRODUCED HIM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

HE IS OUR NEW SENIOR PLANNER, TAKING OVER WHAT AT ONE TIME WAS PETER MENSER'S.

JOB. SO WELCOME BRIAN AND I HAD THE PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH BRIAN AND THE ZBA FOR A SHORT TIME, AND I'M SURE THAT HIS VOICE WILL BE WELCOME IN THE DEPARTMENT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING MORE INPUT FROM HIM AS WE GO ALONG AS WELL.

BRIAN, YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR A MOMENT HERE? GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HENDRICKSON, I APPRECIATE THAT.

MY NAME IS BRIAN SHORKEY.

I'VE BEEN A LAND PLANNER FOR OVER TWO DECADES.

AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE NOW.

I'VE LIVED IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS NOW.

I HAVE A STEPDAUGHTER WHO'S A SOPHOMORE AT OKEMOS HIGH SCHOOL.

NOW, I'VE GOT EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE.

SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN, I SPENT SIX YEARS IN KENTUCKY, MOVED BACK IN 2014 AND HAVE BEEN PLANNING HERE EVER SINCE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG, BROAD OVERVIEW OF IT.

AND BEFORE ANYONE ASKS, MY MASTER'S DEGREE IS FROM EASTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE I WENT TO UNDERGRAD, BUT IT WAS THE FLINT CAMPUS, SO I DON'T GET ALL UPPITY ABOUT IT, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

[LAUGHTER]. OK.

YOU WERE PROPERLY DISCLAIMED.

THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM ABOUT THE PRESENTATION HE MADE EARLIER ABOUT OUR PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. YEAH, GREAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST THE RIGHT SET OF THINGS TO BE WORKING ON. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, BY THE WAY, IS MOST

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AND THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

AND I HOPE AS THE DISCUSSION AROUND LAKE LANSING PROCEEDS, THAT THOSE ISSUES OF WATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER CAN BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, IN ADDITION TO THE DECKS AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF.

ALSO, A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT SEEM TO POINT TOWARDS POTENTIAL INTERACTION WITH TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION.

ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE PARKING STANDARD, AND I NOTICED THAT WHILE WE SEEM TO BE GENERALLY THINKING MORE ABOUT REDUCING OUR MINIMUMS FOR PARKING STANDARDS, THE ZBA RECENTLY APPROVED A VARIANCE ABOVE THE MAXIMUM FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THOUGHT TO BE PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE AND MIGHT BRING AN AWFUL LOT OF CARS.

AND THE OTHER ONE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF TOWARDS THE END OF THE LIST ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY THRESHOLDS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TIM WAS MENTIONING BEFORE.

SO I KNOW THERE WOULD BE A COORDINATION WITH THE APPROPRIATE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THOSE TWO TRANSPORTATION ITEMS I HOPE THEY HIT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION LOOKS LIKE YEAH, THAT ZBA CASE REFERENCED WAS THE FIRST TIME SINCE I STARTED HERE I'D EVER ENCOUNTERED SOMEONE ASKING FOR MORE PARKING THAN OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRED OR ALLOWED.

SO THAT WAS INTERESTING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT REQUEST.

THAT'S THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER COME UP IN MY CAREER, ACTUALLY.

AND I TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T COME UP BECAUSE PARKING IS A NET COST.

IT HAS MAINTENANCE COSTS.

YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS STORMWATER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WHEREAS IF I COULD PUT TWO LESS SPACES IN AND GET FIVE HUNDRED MORE SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING, I COULD LEASE THAT.

SO IT'S A UNIQUE ASK.

VERY NEAT. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER CORDILL. THANK YOU.

REALIZING THAT THIS IS MORE LIKE GOAL SETTING, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD BRING UP THE MORE THE SPECIFICS OF THAT WITH TRADER JOE'S, WE DON'T YET HAVE A FORM BASE CODE, BUT WILL THAT TRY TO BE SOMETHING THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW WILL LOOK AT? OF THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU MEAN? YES. SO I'LL LET TIM JUMP IN IN A SECOND, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT, WHICH WE SAW AT THE ZBA HAS A LOT OF WHAT FEELS LIKE FORM BASE CODE INFLUENCE IN IT. THE BUILDING IS UP CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

THERE'S A GREEN BELT BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE ROAD MARKINGS IN THE REAR.

NO CURB CUTS ON THE GRAND RIVER.

THE TWO CURB CUTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE ONTO NORTH WIND.

AND SO, YEAH, IT WAS DEFINITELY ON MY MIND AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THE APPROVAL OF THEIR PARKING, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY WERE OF THE SAME MINDSET WITH REGARD TO HOW THE SITE WAS LAID OUT.

TIM, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD ABOUT THAT? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO-- I WAS GOING TO SAY ROUGHLY THAT AND JUST THAT, ADD FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S THAT WAS OUR DIRECTION TO THEM AT THE BEGINNING IS, YOU KNOW, DON'T MESS AROUND WITH GRAND RIVER, [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING UP THERE.

AND IT WORKED WELL FOR THEM BECAUSE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THE WAY THE SITES SET UP NOW, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL GRAY DIFFERENCE.

AND SO PUSH THE BUILDING UP GIVES IT MORE PROMINENCE ANYWAY.

AND SO THEY WERE WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON-- THEIR DESIGNER, WAS WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON BOARD ONCE WE MADE THAT SUGGESTION. OH, OK.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ACTUALLY WANTING TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM AND THEN THINKING OF-- THAT'S KIND OF AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE AT GRAND RIVER AND NORTHLAND.

I HAPPENED TO SIT IN ON THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY AND WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH THEM. SPECIFIC.

SO THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY, A FAIR AMOUNT MORE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THAT WAY FOR THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE COMING TO SHOP.

AND FOR THE NEW CREDIT UNION ACROSS THE STREET.

[LAUGHTER] ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR GOAL SETTING? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD THEN, SO WE'LL DIRECT OUR ATTENTION BRIEFLY TO PAGE 11 OF OUR PACKETS.

WE'VE GOT A RECAP OF OUR TWENTY TWENTY ONE GOALS.

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WE HAVE NOT YET HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE WORK THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND STAFF HAS DONE ON THIS YET.

BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S COMING TO A THEATER NEAR US BEFORE TOO LONG, IS THAT? BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, TRYING TO GET A DATE FOR OUR NEXT DISCUSSION.

[9B. 2022 Planning Commission goals]

CLOSE ON ANOTHER. AND THEN, OF COURSE, FORM BASED CODES TAKING A BIT OF A BACKSEAT AS WE SORT OF WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT AND ALSO GET THE SIGN ORDINANCE PUSHED OUT AND THEN FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

WE SORT OF LET THAT ONE FALL OFF, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE WE'LL BE SPENDING A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME ON THAT NEXT YEAR.

SO GOOD THAT WE'LL BE GETTING INTO THAT.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPEN FORUM, REALLY, SO TO SPEAK, ABOUT WHAT GOALS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SET FOR NEXT YEAR.

KEEPING IN MIND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUR OPPORTUNITIES AS A BOARD TO CREATE SOME SYNERGY WITH THE WITH THE STAFF'S GOALS THAT TIM JUST LAID OUT AND THE TOWNSHIP GOALS THAT WERE IN OUR PACKAGE.

ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE FOR NEXT YEAR'S GOALS? DON'T ALL JUMP AT ONCE.

WELL, COMMISSIONER CORDILL, THERE WE ARE.

I JUST-- I WOULD, OF COURSE, BE IN AGREEMENT TO LOOK AT THE TWENTY SEVENTEEN MASTER PLAN AGAIN AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND JUST KIND OF FOLLOW SUIT WITH THAT.

THAT WAS KIND OF AN EASY PICK.

IT FEELS LIKE IT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR US, SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YEAH, THANKS. I WAS LOOKING AT THE MEMO ON PAGE 11 OF THE PACKAGE, AND I READ THAT STAFF ANTICIPATES STARTING A FIVE YEAR MASTER PLAN, SO THE FOURTH GOAL FROM ABOVE SLIGHTLY REWORDED TO TALK ABOUT EXISTING LAND USE WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.

AND I WAS HOPING THE DIRECTOR COULD SAY MORE ABOUT HOW EXISTING LAND USE FITS INTO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANNING.

SO WHAT I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO DO IS REWORK THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BEFORE YOU GET ANY PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE AT THAT POINT AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ACCUSED OF ME PREVIOUSLY IN MY CAREER.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS BEFORE YOU'RE ASKING THE PUBLIC.

AND SO WHAT I-- WHAT MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT WE FLIPPED THE SCRIPT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND WE FOCUS MORE ON THE EXISTING LAND USE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHERE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE TO FIND AREAS WHERE THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR GOING FORWARD.

SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS.

WE'RE FINDING THOSE AREAS OF POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CURRENTS AND WHAT WE WANT SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE GOING FORWARD.

AND MAYBE IT'S JUST ME BEING A LITTLE SENSITIVE BECAUSE OF PAST HISTORY.

NO, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND MASTER PLAN FOCUSES A LOT OF ENERGY ON THE PICAS.

AND THERE MAY BE OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP WHERE OUR EXISTING LAND USE ISN'T REACHING OUR FUTURE LAND USE ASPIRATIONS, AND THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WELL, AND ONE THING I'LL QUICKLY POINT OUT, AND THIS IS A BROAD STATEMENT THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT DOES PLANNING, MOST COMMUNITIES.

WE HAVE INSTITUTIONAL USES LIKE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND STUFF.

BUT MOST PLACES DON'T ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE, AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE.

SEEING A CHURCH THAT CLOSES OR A SCHOOL THAT CLOSES, THERE'S A LOT OF UPROAR BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A THOUGHT OR CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHANGE IT AS A WHOLE IS COMPLETELY NOT MY POINT HERE.

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THAT'S THE ONE EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF LIKE, REALLY, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE INHERENTLY THOSE INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE ALMOST ALWAYS GOING TO CONFLICT WITH THE MAP BECAUSE THE MAP IS PROBABLY NOT SAYING WHAT THEIR ACTUAL USE IS.

INTERESTING. COMMISSIONER BLUMER? I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE CAN HAVE GREATER COORDINATION BETWEEN THE WORK OF OUR COMMISSION AND THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS AND THE HASLETT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT DOESN'T SERVE THE COMMUNITY WELL TO HAVE US SEPARATED AS MUCH AS WE ARE FROM THEM.

I'M THE LIAISON TO THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS PROJECT AND I CONSTANTLY WALK IN THERE AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S PROJECTS THAT JUST SEEM TO BE WORKING ON THEIR OWN OFF ON THE SIDE.

AND I THINK GREATER COORDINATION, EVEN POSSIBLY TO THE EXTENT OF ENCOURAGING JOINT MEETINGS ONCE IN A WHILE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE OVERALL BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPER, THE REMAINDER OF HASLETT VILLAGE AND THAT IS HIGH ON OUR LIST IS A POW WOW, WITH BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL BEFORE WE GET A MORE FORMAL SUBMITTAL IN.

[INAUDIBLE] MIGHT BE A LITTLE FAR DOWN THE TRACKS TO CLUTCH AND SHIFT GEARS TO THAT TYPE OF APPROACH, BUT THEY SEEMED VERY OPEN TO IT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO-- WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THEM, HOPEFULLY BE HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THEIR CONCEPT IS AND THEN START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IN THE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR.

AND SO THAT IS WELL TAKEN COMMENT THAT I THINK WE'LL-- CERTAINLY FOR HASLETT VILLAGE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FULFILL.

AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST ON VILLAGE OF OKEMOS, BUT I'LL BE HONEST, I GO INTO SOME MEETINGS AND I'M SURPRISED BY WHAT IS SAID SO.

YOU'RE NOT THE [INAUDIBLE]. HOPEFULLY, DIRECTOR CLARK IS IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AS WELL. I IMAGINE.

SHE IS. SHE TALKS TO THEM A LOT MORE THAN I DO.

SHE'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE LADY.

SHE'S PHENOMENAL. YEAH, IF ANYBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AT ANY TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY, SHE'S THE ONE.

YOU-- ACTUALLY YOU'RE WRIGHT.

SHE HAS A VERY GOOD SENSE OF THE PULSE OUT THERE.

AND AMBER, WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE ATTENDEES AREA.

[LAUGHTER] I WOULD SAY IT TO HER FACE AND SHE KNOWS IT.

ANY OTHER GOALS THAT WE'D LIKE TO TRY AND TACKLE.

I WOULD JUST CERTAINLY SAY THAT ONE OF-- I WILL LIKELY SUGGEST THAT I WILL SUGGEST THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT STAFF HAS INCLUDED ABOUT KICKING OFF THE TWENTY TWENTY TWO MASTER PLAN UPDATE BE INCLUDED IS ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S GOALS.

BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THAT NEXT YEAR.

IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON. YEAH.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS, AND FORGIVE ME, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN GOOD WORDING FOR THIS YET.

BUT TACKLING SOME MORE DIGESTIBLE, EASY TO DESCRIBE, EASY TO UNDERSTAND CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL AFFECT PEOPLE DIRECTLY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ESOTERIC STUFF THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS IN THE MAKING.

BUT ESPECIALLY WITH MY TIME SERVING AS THE LIAISON TO THE ZBA, WE SEE HOW SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS.

AND YOU KNOW, THE RECENT EXAMPLE, WHICH I'LL CITE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TOP OF MY MIND, IS THIS LAKE LANSING OVERLAY, RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY, WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE ALMOST EVERY PROPERTY IN THE LAKE LANSING AREA IS NONCONFORMING FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

NO ONE IS MEETING-- NO ONE IS MEETING THE SETBACKS.

THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

NO ONE IS MEETING DRIVEWAY COVERAGE.

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AND SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, WHENEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THEIR PROPERTY, HAS TO COME IN FRONT OF A GOVERNMENT BODY FOR SEEMINGLY TWO, THREE, SOMETIMES SEVERAL MEETINGS TO MAKE EVEN MINOR CHANGES TO THEIR HOMES.

I THINK THAT WE CAN-- TAKE A LOOK AT THE JO DON REZONING THAT WE DEALT WITH EARLIER THIS YEAR. THAT WAS, I THINK, SIX, SEVEN MEETINGS THAT WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT IT? AND THEN THEY WENT--[INAUDIBNLE] NOT DONE WITH IT EITHER.

AND THEN THE BOARD CAME-- DON'T TELL ME THAT.

[LAUGHTER] AND THEN THE BOARD HAD THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS ON IT.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO GOOD REASON WHY WE CAN'T MAKE SOME SMALL CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.

IN THIS CASE, SPECIFICALLY THE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY.

I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT AND ELIMINATE AND MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE PROBLEMS AND MAKE THAT A LOT EASIER FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE UP THERE. BUT I THINK IT'S IN LINE WITH DIRECTOR SCHMITT'S GOALS ON SOME OF THOSE MINOR AMENDMENT CHANGES.

AT THE SITE TRIANGLE THING IS SOMETHING THAT-- NOT THAT CASE THAT HE CITED, BUT WE DEALT WITH ANOTHER SITE TRIANGLE ISSUE WHERE THERE WAS A VERY COMMON SENSE SOLUTION AND IT JUST IT HAD TO HAVE A VARIANCE GRANTED.

BUT WHY RIGHT? WE COULD HAVE SOLVED THIS BY HAVING A MORE COMMON SENSE ORDINANCE.

SO I GUESS TO PUT A WRAPPER ON IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE AT-- CONCURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, RIGHT, THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, I THINK IT'S ALSO WISE FOR US TO REVIEW SOME OF THOSE MINOR CHANGES THAT TIM WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT A HANDFUL OF THOSE, AT LEAST TO TRY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT OUT OF THE WAY TO MAKE LIVES A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THE CHAIRPERSON BRINGS UP AN EXCELLENT POINT.

HE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TALK ME OFF THE LEDGE OF WANTING TO TEAR UP THE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY AND START OVER BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT INTERNALLY AND IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO BEGIN WITH.

IT HASN'T WORKED SUPER WELL ANYWAY, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A BUNCH OF VARIANCES, SO MY INITIAL REACTION IS JUST THROW IT OUT, LETS START OVER, LETS FIX THIS.

BUT CHAIRPERSON RIGHTFULLY POINTED OUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF EASY ONES WE CAN KNOCK OUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

THEY'RE GOING TO SOLVE.

SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE PROBLEMS, AND THEN LET'S TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO, OK, NOW, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT BROADLY? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, FOUR, FIVE, SIX DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS UP THERE, NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT JUST OUTSIDE THE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WATERSHED, YOU HAVE EVEN SMALLER LOTS THAN SOME OF THE THINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE. AND SO IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO A MUCH MORE STRINGENT STANDARD, WHEREAS THESE PROPERTIES, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARSH ROAD, AREN'T.

AND SO THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE THING COMING HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, BUT CERTAINLY TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE KNOCK OUT SOME-- AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE CALL THEM QUALITY OF LIFE UPDATES TO THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK WE-- I THINK THREE, FOUR, FIVE OF THE STAFF'S PROPOSED CHANGES ARE GOING TO END UP GETTING PACKAGED TOGETHER OR COME QUICKLY THEREAFTER SO WE CAN DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ALTOGETHER AND GET THEM KNOCKED OUT EARLY IN THE YEAR.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED-- CHAIRPERSON, AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON THE LAKE LANSING STUFF.

ZBA JUST DEALT WITH AN INDUSTRIAL FENCE CASE WHERE IT APPEARS AS THOUGH ALL THE FENCES ARE SEVEN FEET IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT SO.

OF COURSE IT THEN BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE ZBA TO GRANT A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S A GENERALLY OCCURRING SITUATION THAT THEY'RE GRANTING A VARIANCE FOR.

AND SO YEAH, A LOT OF THESE QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS, I THINK IT'S JUST-- IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS THAT YOU'RE NOT CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION, THE CARE AND FEEDING OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I HOPE TO BRING TO THIS POSITION.

I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM CHANGING ORDINANCES.

YOU GUYS SEE A PROBLEM JUST TELL US.

UM, I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD TO JUST POINT OUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FROM THE LAST TIME WE DID A FIVE YEAR PLAN, WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW STAFF AND LESS.

I THINK WHAT MAYBE A THIRD OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, SO THE REST OF YOU WEREN'T.

UM, WHICH SUGGESTS TO ME THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK.

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I MEAN, AND IT'S--- AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT STREAMLINING IT, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A PROCESS THAT, TRUST ME, WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE TIRED OF BEFORE IT'S OVER.

I THINK THAT THAT'S A POINT WELL TAKEN.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US, AND TO THAT END, PERHAPS WE SHOULD CONSIDER NOT BITING OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOFTY WHEN IT COMES TO GOALS AT THIS TIME OF YEAR FOR NEXT YEAR.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FIRST YEAR WE HAD 10 OR 12 AND WE ENDED UP MEETING ABOUT TWO OR THREE OF THOSE. SO I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP THINGS MANAGEABLE IF WE CAN, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF OXYGEN FOR THE MASTER PLAN. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

YEAH. BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN ISSUE, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF CONSULTANTS TO HELP WITH THE REVISION OF THEIR MASTER PLAN, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED IN QUITE A LONG TIME.

AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN ALL BE COGNIZANT OF EACH OTHER'S PROGRESS ON THIS THE BETTER.

YEAH, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP ON THAT AS THAT MOVES FORWARD, THAT IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING THAT-- THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON ALL THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

I MEAN, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE SOPHOMORES LIVING ON CAMPUS RULE THAT CAME BACK INTO PLACE THAT FUNDAMENTALLY ALTERED THE RENTAL HOUSING MARKET IN EAST LANSING OVERNIGHT, AND IT STILL HAS NOT.

THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE.

THEY STILL HAVEN'T FOUND EQUILIBRIUM THERE, SO IT'S VERY-- POINT, VERY WELL TAKEN AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP.

AND PICKING UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER HENRIKSEN SORT OF INDICATED, I THINK.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IF OUR ONLY GOAL WAS TO OVERHAUL AND TIGHTEN UP THE MASTER PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE.

AND I THINK THAT THAT PROCESS WOULD PROBABLY ANSWER AND RESPOND TO A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN THE COMING YEAR.

AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T NEED A MAJOR BUT I THINK THE PROCESS OVER TIME IS GOING TO DO SEVERAL THINGS FOR BOTH THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO THE NEEDS OF THE TOWNSHIP.

SO I DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR.

I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.

BUT THE REALITY IS I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF WE DO A RESPECTABLE JOB OF DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE, WE'VE DONE OUR WORK FOR THE YEAR.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH COMMISSIONER PREMOE, ESPECIALLY IF THE FORM BASED CODE CAN BE SOMEHOW INTEGRATED INTO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

SO WE'RE NOT KIND OF FIGHTING A TWO CONCURRENT BATTLES AS IT WERE.

IF WE CAN SOMEHOW GET-- CHECK OFF BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ON OUR LIST, THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE A HUGE WIN. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? SO IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH OUR-- WELL, AT LEAST AT LEAST OUR TOP GOAL, CERTAINLY MAYBE OUR ONLY GOAL IS TO IN THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TIM WANTED US TO WORD IT SO THAT WE WOULD STAY OUT OF TROUBLE, IMPLEMENT AND UPDATE THE-- NOT IMPLEMENT SORRY, BEGIN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE TWENTY TWENTY TWO MASTER PLAN FOR OUR FIVE YEAR UPDATE.

AND SO ACTUALLY, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, CHAIRPERSON, I'M ACTUALLY HEARING SORT OF THREE THINGS THAT FALL NICELY INTO CATEGORIES HERE.

YOU'VE GOT THE COMP PLANNED PIECE, WHICH IS THE OVERARCHING GOAL.

YOU'VE GOT THE COORDINATION PIECE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL THAT YOU KNOW, BOTH COORDINATION ON SPECIFIC, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER BLUMER COORDINATION ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS, BUT ALSO TO MR. MCCONNELL'S POINT COORDINATION WITH OTHER COMMISSIONS AS PART OF THAT, BECAUSE CERTAINLY

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AND THEN SORT OF THE THIRD PIECE, THE GET IT DONE BEFORE THE COMP PLAN STARTS IS THOSE QUALITY OF LIFE ORDINANCE UPDATES.

AND YOU KNOW, WE SET OUR GOAL FOR THAT SORT OF-- I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE TIMING GOAL ON IT.

THAT WE SET IT SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OUT OF THAT BY MAY.

FOR AS MANY OF THOSE SMALL ORDNANCE UPDATES STAFF CAN KNOCK OUT AND THEN BY JUNE OR JULY, HOPEFULLY THEN WE ROLL RIGHT INTO THE COMP PLAN.

MASTER PLAN. I'M SORRY, I GOT TO GET USED TO SAYING MASTER PLAN HERE.

HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT? COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN THAT I THINK BEFORE WE DELAY TOO MUCH GETTING INTO THE MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO SEEK PUBLIC IMPACT, TO GO FORWARD AND DESIGN THAT OUT A CALENDAR WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE SMALL AMENDMENTS OR THE TWEAKING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I WOULD HATE TO DROP THE BALL ON THE FORM BASED CODE AS MUCH WORK AS THE COMMITTEE IN THIS COMMISSION DID LAST YEAR.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION OR THE TRUSTEES DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK INCORPORATING THOSE IDEAS INTO WORKING ON THE MASTER PLAN DOES MAKE SOME SENSE. BUT I THINK WE CAN'T DELAY GETTING THE PROCESS DEVELOPED TO AWAIT THE START OF THE PROCESS. YEAH, I THINK TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, I IMAGINE THAT THE STAFF WILL BE WORKING ON THIS ROUND THE CLOCK ANYWAY.

THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, AND WE'LL BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AS WELL.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AS MUCH INPUT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, I'M SURE, BUT I HAVE FULL FAITH THAT DIRECTOR SCHMITT AND HIS TEAM WILL BE WORKING ON A STRATEGY TO BEST GET LOOK INPUT. AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY INVOLVE US WITH HEARINGS AND WHATNOT.

BUT I'M SURE IT WON'T BE LIMITED TO SIMPLY OUR MEETINGS.

AND TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER TREZISE.

ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO ONCE WE KICK OFF THE YEAR HERE IS OK.

LET'S GET A BIG DRAWING GOING AND WE NEED TO DO THIS, BUT BEFORE THAT, THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE GOING TO.

IT'S NOT QUITE GOING TO BE A GANTT CHART, BUT WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PSEUDO GANTT CHART THIS UP BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTY ON MY WALL.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A-- YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN, TO PLAN, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW YOU'RE JUST SPINNING YOUR WHEELS, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO TALK TO YOU.

SO.

WELL, IT'S THE ISSUE OF WHAT ARE THE STEPS, AND HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE STEPS? YOU KNOW WHAT ORDER DO THOSE STEPS NEED TO OCCUR IN? ALL OF THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL IN MY MIND ANYWAY.

IT'S THE FLESHING OUT OF THE GOAL.

YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS WHAT IT IS.

THE PROCESS THEN BECOMES.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF OUR JOB.

IT'S AN INITIAL PART OF OUR JOB IS TO IS TO DEFINE THAT PROCESS AND THEN HOLD OUR FEET TO IT. AND ADJUST IT AS MORE INFORMATION COMES UP.

WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO SIDES OF IT.

WE HAVE FIVE YEARS OF HISTORY THAT HAVE BEEN GREATLY ALTERED BY TWO YEARS OF A PANDEMIC.

UM, AND WE'VE GOT FIVE YEARS OF FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, AND OUR BEST EFFORT IN ATTEMPT TO ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT BE COMING.

YOU KNOW, AND OK, SO WHO NEEDS TO PROVIDE THE INPUT? WHO DO WE NEED TO LISTEN TO? AND OF COURSE, IT'S THE PUBLIC, IT'S THE EXPERTS.

IT'S THE-- AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.

I THINK IF WE'RE INTENTIONAL ABOUT LAYING THAT OUT, THEN THAT BECOMES OUR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MANY MEETINGS.

AND JUST TO JUMP ON A THOUGHT THAT I HAD WHEN YOU WERE TALKING THERE, COMMISSIONER PREMOE . ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN TERMS OF LAYING THAT OUT IS RIGHT.

AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD SHOW HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT AS MANY OUTSIDE GROUPS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO BOTH ASK FOR THEIR INPUT, BUT ALSO SHARE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THE WAY I'VE SEEN THOSE BE MOST SUCCESSFUL IS YOU, 9 PEOPLE, ARE VERY INVOLVED AND ONE AT A TIME GOING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR ONE OF THE ROTARY CLUB MEETINGS OR THE

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BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, GETTING THAT LIST OF, HERE'S ALL THE GROUPS WHO WANT TO TRY AND HIT. AND JUST GETTING IT ON THE SCHEDULE AND GETTING IT OUT THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT GET A LOT FROM EVERY GROUP, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU GET IT OUT THERE JUST STARTS TO GET IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AND ARE BECOMING MORE PART OF IT IN THE END.

[INAUDIBLE]. SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT A DECENT SET OF GOALS SET UP HERE, I THINK IF OUR TEAM CAN GO BACK AND SORT OF JOT THAT DOWN IN A SENSIBLE WAY FROM THE DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OUT TWENTY TWENTY ONE HERE? JUST ONE MORE.

IN MY MIND, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO, BEGIN OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOARD.

YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO DO A LOT OF WORK AND THEN HAVE THEM TORPEDO IT.

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE HAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T LIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST-- I THINK PART OF THE EARLY AGENDA NEEDS TO BE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND ONCE WE COME UP WITH OUR IDEA OF HOW WE WANT TO GET THERE, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE DO IS RUN IT BY THEM AND SAY.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU? DOES THIS GEL WITH WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD AND WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING? AND WHAT SUGGESTIONS WOULD YOU MAKE? THAT CONVERSATION IF IT MEANS A JOINT MEETING OR WHATEVER AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET TWO THIRDS DOWN THE ROAD, THEN TOUCH BASE WITH THE BOARD AND HAVE A LOT OF WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST WOULD SAY.

FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW, ONCE WE KIND OF OUTLINE HOW WE WANT TO GET THERE AND WHAT THE EMPHASIS IS GOING TO BE, THEN LET'S SIT DOWN WITH THE BOARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

YEAH, AND I THINK ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NINE, YES, WE'LL BE CERTAINLY GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, I'M SURE, OR AT LEAST HOPEFULLY WILL BE, TO LEARN AND LISTEN AND, YOU KNOW, GATHER IDEAS.

IT WOULD BE WISE, MAYBE TO HAVE THE BOARD IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO SO, BE A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HEARING SIMILAR INPUTS, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO BE ON DIFFERENT PAGES.

RIGHT. SO THE MORE WE CAN BE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC TOGETHER, THE BETTER ALIGNED I THINK WE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN ENGAGE THEM IN THAT IN THAT WAY AS WELL.

I SEE COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

OH, YES, THANK YOU. SO FOR THAT DECEMBER 8TH MEMO THAT YOU WERE TOUCHING UPON, I GUESS WHAT I'M SEEING IS BRINGING BACK A NUMBER OF THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE GOALS BECAUSE I MEAN OUR LIVES WERE SHUT DOWN, LET ALONE MEETING TOGETHER AND PROGRESSING ON THESE.

AND JUST WITH THAT EMPHASIS OF OUR WORK TOWARDS THE MASTER PLAN.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT UNLESS OUR POLICIES ARE KIND OF LIKE AN ABOUT FACE FROM WHAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE DO-- THE TOWNSHIP BOARD DID DID PUT THEIR BLESSING ON THE TWENTY SEVENTEEN PLAN, SO WE'LL JUST SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US AND SEE HOW RELEVANT IT IS.

BUT HOPEFULLY IT WOULDN'T BE A MAJOR SELLING POINT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST UPDATING IT.

BUT. FINGERS CROSSED.

THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

I THINK TO COMMISSIONER PREMOE POINT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GO SPEND A BUNCH OF TIME AND ENERGY PUTTING FORM BASED CODE IN THE MASTER PLAN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN AND JUST FIND OUT THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT. WELL, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE.

SO ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THEM.

I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THE TOWNSHIP BOARD ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND I AGREE, HOPEFULLY IT'S-- WE'RE ALL ALREADY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME PAGE.

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AND SO I WILL RESTART THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ON THE CALENDAR FOR EARLY IN THE YEAR. SO AT LEAST HAVE THAT INITIAL CONVERSATION ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN OF ATTACK OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I KNOW THAT MANAGER WALSH IS A LOYAL VIEWER OF THESE MEETINGS, SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE'S-- THE GEARS ARE ALREADY TURNING.

[LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL LET THE STAFF GET THOSE GOALS WRITTEN UP FOR US, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO OFFICIALLY ADOPT THEM.

BUT I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM A GOOD DIRECTION TO GET GOING HERE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM THEN, WHICH IS 10A THE TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THAT TIME WAS SPENT ON GOALS, BUT DIRECTOR SCHMITT WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE MISSED? NO, SATURDAY WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION ON WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

I WILL SHARE THE FINAL DOCUMENT WITH YOU WHEN I HAVE IT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.

I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT THE TOWNSHIP BOARD WILL HEAR TOMORROW THE FINAL DISCUSSION ON THE CONSUMER CREDIT UNION BUILDING AND ULTIMATELY ARE LIKELY TO ADOPT IT GIVEN THE CONVERSATION THEY PREVIOUSLY HAD.

AND I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED THE FINAL REZONING FOR THE JO DON PROPERTY, THUS ENDING THAT STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

[10A. Township Board update.]

THAT HAS BEEN FULLY PUT IN PLACE NOW.

SO KUDOS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

I KNOW THAT THE TRANSITION SLOWED IT DOWN AND I HAD TO GET UP TO SPEED AND THEN I GOT NIT PICKING AND FIXED A BUNCH OF LITTLE STUFF THAT I NOTICED.

AND-- BUT NOW IT'S REALLY GOOD AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY SHARED IT WITH A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN PUTTING IT TO USE.

SO I'VE GOTTEN SOME SURPRISINGLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU DO CHANGE, YOU KIND OF EXPECT THEM TO HEM AND HAW.

BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY LIKE, OH, THIS IS A PRETTY INTERESTING APPROACH. WE AGREE.

THAT'S WHY WE DID IT. EXCELLENT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO LIAISON REPORTS.

SO I MET WITH THE ZBA LAST WEEK AND THE BIG NEWS, OF COURSE, WHICH IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET IS THE TRADER JOE'S IS COMING, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

WE DID APPROVE THEM FOR MORE PARKING.

THERE WAS ALSO A LAKE LANSING PROPERTY, THE ONE I REFERENCED EARLIER, THAT WAS MISSING SIDE YARD SETBACKS, FRONT YARD SETBACKS, PARKING IN THE-- DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. AND IT'S ONE OF SEVERAL REQUESTS THE ZBA HAS TAKEN UP LATELY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M PARTICULARLY HOT ON THAT ISSUE BECAUSE LAKE LANSING OVERLAY NEEDS SOME TENDER LOVING CARE.

I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER ZBA MEETING SINCE WE LAST SPOKE.

IT'S BEEN FIVE WEEKS.

IT WAS THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ON THE LAKE LANSING CASE.

YEAH, THERE WAS A SECOND ONE TOO THAT DAY, THOUGH, AND-- THAT WAS THE FENCE ON DON

[10B. Liaison reports.]

YEAH, WE DID NOT APPROVE A TALLER FENCE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, AND WE DID APPROVE SOME-- A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY OBSCURED IN THE SITE TRIANGLE.

SO IF YOU SAW IT ON THE MINOR AMENDMENTS LIST THAT TIM PROPOSED, IT LIKELY CAME UP IN THE ZBA IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS EXCITING STUFF AT THE ZBA.

ALWAYS A FUN TIME. AND BY THE WAY, I SHOULD POINT OUT, AS I DID AT OUR LAST MEETING THERE, THE ZBA IS HURTING FOR MEMBERS.

WE ARE DOWN ONE MEMBER AND TWO ALTERNATES.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS THAT YOU LIKE DEARLY AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO LEARN WHAT GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT, PLEASE REFER THEM TO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU CAN FIND ON THE TOWNSHIP'S WEBSITE SO THAT WE CAN GET A FEW MORE APPLICANTS TO BE A PART OF THAT BOARD BECAUSE WE HAVE OCCASIONALLY BEEN DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO LOSING OUR QUORUM.

[LAUGHTER] SO THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN GET OUT, THE BETTER.

SO THAT'S MY PITCH FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD WATCHING US AT HOME, JOIN THE ZBA.

IT'S TONS OF FUN. YOU CAN BE A PART OF TRADER JOE'S COMING TO MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

COMMISSIONER BLUMER. I ATTENDED THE MOST RECENT MEETING OF THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS

[01:00:08]

THEY MEET AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING IN PERSON, WHICH IS.

YEAH, WE'LL SKIP OVER THAT.

IT WAS A KIND OF A LIGHTWEIGHT MEETING.

I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING WAS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY ARE NOW DEBT FREE. THEIR DEBTS HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN COVERED-- CANCELED.

THEY HAVE $58000 IN THE BANK AND NO MEASURABLE DEBT.

AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS, THERE'S NOTHING NEW THERE. BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT MEETING.

AND FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE DDA, NOT THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS COMMITTEE, THOUGH I'M SURE SOME DAYS IT FEELS LIKE IT.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER] ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MET ON DECEMBER 1ST AND IS IN A SIMILAR PROCESS OF UPDATING ITS GOALS OR DEVELOPING ITS GOALS FOR 2022.

MOST OF THE DISCUSSION IS FOCUSED ON HOW SUCCESSFUL THE TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN IN MEETING ITS TARGETS FOR THE ENERGY PORTIONS OF THE CLIMATE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, WITH THE MAJOR INVESTMENTS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN MAKING IN SOLAR ARRAYS ON PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND RECENTLY COMPLETING AN AUDIT OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE FLEET OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ELECTRIFICATION OF THAT FLEET.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS THE TOWNSHIP BOARD HAS ACHIEVED IN THE ENERGY AREA, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS NOW TURNING MORE AND MORE ATTENTION TO STORMWATER.

AND WE STARTED OFF THIS EVENING WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR FOLKS AFFECTED BY PARTICULARLY STRONG TORNADOES.

AND THE MORE WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WILL AFFECT OUR REGION IN THE FUTURE AND THE BETTER OFF WE'RE GOING TO BE.

SO THAT'S, I THINK, GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THE FOCUS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OVER TWENTY TWENTY TWO.

COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL WITH THE PROPOSED ELECTRIFICATION OF THE TOWNSHIP FLEET, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, ALSO? POLICE AND FIRE? I DON'T RECALL THE SPECIFICS OF THAT STUDY, I KNOW THEY DID DIG DOWN INTO MOWERS, LAWN MOWERS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S USED IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL THE DISCUSSION ON EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

EXCEPT THAT. WELL, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MOST, ESPECIALLY THE POLICE VEHICLES ARE AMONG SOME OF THE MOST HEAVILY USED AND BUT THEY'RE USED VERY REGULARLY, SO THE CHARGING OF THEM IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SORT OF DISTRIBUTED CHARGING SYSTEM THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR SOME OTHER VEHICLES.

BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO FORWARD THE REPORT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

THANK YOU. LOOKS LIKE TIM MAY HAVE SOMETHING OF INTEREST ON THAT TOPIC, I BELIEVE. THE ANSWER IS THAT THEY [INAUDIBLE] THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT THIS POINT DO NOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL EV EQUIVALENCE.

THE AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRUCKS, SO THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED.

WHAT-- AND THERE'S THIRTY ONE PIECES OF NON ROAD EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS ALL KINDS OF WEIRD STUFF. SO IF IT DIDN'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL EQUIVALENT, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE AT THIS TIME.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES, I BELIEVE IN THE WEST COAST THAT ARE STARTING TO LOOK INTO AMBULANCES, ESPECIALLY, IN TERMS OF RETROFITTING, BUT THERE'S NOT A COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE YET, SO IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY.

BUT THIS CERTAINLY WILL SET THE GROUNDWORK FOR DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CORDILL.

YES, THANK YOU. THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY MET NOVEMBER 17.

THAT WAS THEIR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR, AND THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY PEOPLE FROM THE DRAIN COMMISSION OFFICE, THE COUNTY DRAIN DESCRIBING TO THE CIA MEMBERS THE BACKGROUND TO IT.

AND THE REMEDY IS THEY SAW IT FOR THAT.

AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS TOO.

[01:05:01]

THAT WORK IS GOING TO BE STARTED.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER, THE GRAND RIVER RAISING THE ROAD BED BY 18 INCHES AT POINTS BECAUSE OKEMOS ROAD AND GRAND RIVER TROUBLED IN TERMS OF THAT.

AND THEY'RE-- ACTUALLY THEY PERSUADED MDOT TO CONSIDER AND GOT THEIR OK ON THREE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, WHICH SHOULD BE INTERESTING TRYING TO TAME THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD ALLOW.

ONE IS NEAR THAT CAMPUS APARTMENT COMPLEX NEAR THE BRIDGE, ONE AT MEIJER AND ONE FURTHER DOWN AT DUSTY'S.

IN TERMS OF HOW THE CIA IS FUNCTIONING ITSELF.

LAST YEAR, THEY HAD OPTED TO GO TO SIX MEETINGS PER YEAR, BUT THEY'RE RETURNING TO THEIR MONTHLY MEETING SCHEDULE, AND THEY ALSO ARE LOOKING AT THEIR GOALS FOR THE COMING YEAR CONSIDERING A TIF DISTRICT.

AND SO FORTH.

BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME CASH TO THROW AROUND TO IMPROVE THE CORRIDOR, I THINK WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSING WHEN I WAS A PART OF THAT, I WAS THE LIAISON TO THAT GROUP.

SO I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR HOW THOSE DISCUSSIONS PROGRESS.

THAT'S EXCITING.

ANY OTHER LIAISON UPDATES.

OK. I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS AT THE MOMENT.

SO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS PROJECT UPDATES.

NEW APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE ONE.

SITE PLANS RECEIVED, WE HAVE ONE.

AND SITE PLANS APPROVED, WE HAVE NONE.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO PUBLIC REMARKS, I DO JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER BRIEF-- WELL A COUPLE OF BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS, I SHOULD SAY.

AND THAT IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHANGES THAT WERE IN EFFECT IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE WILL BE NO LONGER IN EFFECT AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO-- WE WILL HAVE TO OR GET TO RETURN TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS AS A GROUP AS OF JANUARY, BARRING SOME LAST MINUTE MANEUVERING IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH IS UNLIKELY AT THIS POINT. SO PLEASE BE READY TO RETURN TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED ROOMS PRE-PANDEMIC.

[11. PROJECT UPDATES]

ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT IT WILL BE TIME FOR NEW OFFICERS.

I BELIEVE AT OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY AS WELL.

BYLAWS SAY THAT I CAN'T BE CHAIR FOREVER.

ONLY TWO YEARS CONSECUTIVELY, WHICH I CAN'T BELIEVE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

BUT I WILL BE OUTGOING THERE AT THAT MEETING AT LEAST THE BEGINNING.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR THINKING ABOUT BECOMING AN OFFICER, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS BE READY TO VOLUNTEER AT THE MEETING AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

AND THEN I BELIEVE ALSO AT THAT MEETING, WE MAY NEED TO RESHUFFLE LIAISON COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS. WE DO THAT ONCE A YEAR.

WE TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.

SOIF THERE'S A LIAISON COMMITTEE THAT YOU'VE HAD YOUR EYE ON THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF. BY ALL MEANS, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER THAT.

OTHERWISE, WE'LL TAKE VOLUNTEERS AT THE MEETING.

IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CHANGE.

DID I MISS ANY HOUSEKEEPING-- COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.

I'M JUST WONDERING IN LIGHT OF THE LIAISON PIECE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE PRIOR TO THAT MEETING IN JANUARY TO HAVE A LIST OF THE LIAISON POSITIONS AND WHEN THOSE BODIES MEET? I'M SURE THAT'S-- ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

[LAUGHTER] I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD GET THAT.

LET ME BE MORE ASSERTIVE IN THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP ME MAKE A DECISION.

I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE MORNING MEETINGS THAT JUST DON'T WORK FOR ME, BUT WHICH IS WHY I HAVEN'T VOLUNTEERED BEFORE.

BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT BEFORE THE MINUTE OF BEING RIGHT

[01:10:03]

WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT OUT TO YOU TOMORROW.

OH, I'LL GET IT OUT TO YOU BY THE END OF THE WEEK.

ARE WE-- IS THIS OUR LAST MEETING FOR THE YEAR? THAT WAS THE FOURTH. YOU'RE STEPPING ON MY FOURTH ANNOUNCEMENT, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA FOR NEXT NEXT WEEK.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO CANCEL NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AND GIVE EVERYONE AN EARLY START TO THE HOLIDAYS.

SO SEEING AS WE HAVE NO BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO.

WITHOUT OBJECTION.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAN ON THAT.

SO NO MEETING NEXT WEEK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CANCEL THAT.

I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, IS THE TWO YEAR MAXIMUM ON OFFICERS SOMETHING THAT.

I MEAN, IS THAT A LAW, IS THAT SOMETHING IF WE DECIDED? WE-- IT'S IN OUR BYLAWS.

IF WE COULD AMEND THE BYLAWS, CERTAINLY, BUT OUR BYLAWS STATE NO MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

AND--.

SO IT'S IN OUR BYLAWS.

OKAY. YEAH, AT LEAST IT'S IN OUR BYLAWS.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LEGALLY WHERE THAT-- IF THAT DREW ANY AUTHORITY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I, MY CHAIRPERSON [INAUDIBLE] HAD BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, SO-- IT'S OK.

THAT IS A LOCAL. OK.

COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. PARDON ME IF I MISSED IT, BUT I KNOW THE BOARD WAS CONSIDERING RE -APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RECENTLY.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT I FEEL LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM WERE RENEWED.

THEY WERE ALL RENEWED WITH THE-- THERE WAS A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T GET BACK TO US IN TIME.

THEY WILL BE ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT EVERYONE THAT WANTED TO BE RENEWED WAS RENEWED. YES.

AND I DO SEE ON OUR WEBSITE HERE THAT WE'VE GOT THREE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN, LOOKS LIKE, RENEWED THROUGH TWENTY TWENTY FOUR, WHICH IS COMMISSIONER PREMOE, RICHARDS AND BLUMER.

SO CONGRATULATIONS ON REAPPOINTMENT.

WHAT WERE WE THINKING HERE? [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE ON FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS.

WE WEREN'T. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TO MR. SHORKEY THAT THERE'S STILL TIME FOR HIM TO RUN.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER] DON'T DO THIS TO ME.

I WAS ALMOST FULLY STAFFED FOR 15 MINUTES WHEN WE HIRED HIM.

ALMOST. ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON TO PUBLIC REMARKS.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS IN THE ATTENDEES AREA NOW.

SO IF YOU ARE THERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE AND WE'LL PROMOTE YOU TO A PANELIST SO YOU CAN ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ELSE WISE, YOU CAN GIVE US A PHONE CALL AT FIVE ONE SEVEN THREE FOUR NINE ONE TWO THREE TWO.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR REMARKS.

AND I WILL TAKE A LITTLE CELEBRATION THAT THAT'S THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT PHONE NUMBER.

[LAUGHTER] ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME ? YOU HAVE NO TELEPHONE CALL, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL-- COMMISSIONER RICHARDS YOU OFFERING PUBLIC REMARKS? WELL, JUST A QUESTION OF STAFF AND MAYBE I MISSED THIS ALONG THE WAY.

[12. PUBLIC REMARKS]

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENED.

DID ANYBODY RECALL IF THAT APPROVED OR? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE END OF PROJECT, THE SENIOR HOUSING PROJECT? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS-- I KNOW COVID DID THEM DIFFICULT AND THAT PROJECT WAS ON HOLD FOR A WHILE AND THEN THEY WERE.

I KNOW THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AROUND, SO IT MAY COME BACK TO THAT SITE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PROJECT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

AND IT WAS-- THEY DID NOT-- SO THE APPROVALS THEY WERE GIVEN, ARE THEY STILL VALID OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND RESUBMIT? ONE SECOND.

THEY'RE USUALLY VALID FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK, AREN'T THEY? YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT MADE IT THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

PART OF THE REASON FOR ASKING IS THAT I BELIEVE IT'S THE INDIAN LAKE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST. THERE WAS QUITE A FEW FOLKS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PROJECT AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[01:15:09]

I KNOW IT GOT TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER BLUMER.

NO, THERE'S A SIGNED VERSION.

LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK IT GOT APPROVED AND I THINK THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME LEFT, BUT NOT A LOT. BUT LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. OK, I'M CLOSING PUBLIC REMARKS AT 8:16.

SEEING NO OTHER HANDS OR PHONE CALLS.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE BREAK FOR THE YEAR? WELL, THE BEFORE ME --YEAH. YEAH.

HAVE GOOD HOLIDAYS TO YOU ALL.

YEP. YES, INDEED.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PREMOE.

AND WITH THAT, THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION STANDS ADJOURNED FOR THE YEAR AT 8:16.

NIGHT EVERYBODY CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.

EVERYONE ENJOY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.