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MIC] ALL RIGHT, AT 6:00 P.M., WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER YOU SUPERVISOR STYKA IS

[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE A TRUSTEE OPSOMMER, SERVE AS OUR SUPERVISOR TOWN SUPERVISOR PRO-TEM FOR THE MEETING. SUPPORT.

I NEED TO TAKE A ROLL CALL, SINCE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON VIRTUALLY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL FOR THE ABOUT TRUSTEE SUNDLAND? YES.

TRUSTEE WISINSKI? YES.

TRUSTEE OPSOMMER? YES, TRUSTEE JACKSON? YES. TREASURER DESCHAINE? YES, CLERK GUTHRIE VOTES YES.

AND SUPERVISOR STYKA? HE'S NOT WITH US VIRTUALLY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

SO MOTION PASSES 6-0.

OK, AND WE WILL BEGIN BY STANDING AND RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT, AND WE NEED THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT, CLERK GUTHRIE IS HERE, TREASURER DESCHAINE? HERE. TRUSTEE JACKSON? HERE. TRUSTEE OPSOMMER? PRESENT.

TRUSTEE SUNDLAND? HERE.

TRUSTEE WISINSKI? HERE.

AND SUPERVISOR STYKA.

CAN HEAR ME? YES WE CAN.

OPSOMMER.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING.

PRESENTATIONS BETWEEN

[5. CITIZENS ADDRESS AGENDA ITEMS AND NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

AGENDA ITEMS AND NON AGENDA ITEMS. AND OUR FIRST RESIDENT TONIGHT IS MS. LYNN PAGE. AND IF WE COULD HAVE EACH RESIDENT WHO SPEAKS TONIGHT, JUST GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS PRIOR TO THE REMARKS AND WE WILL BE USING THE PODIUM.

AND THE LIGHT TIMING WAS THE SAME AS IT WAS PRE COVID.

THANK YOU, LYNN PAGE 3912 RALLY DRIVE IN OKEMOS.

I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TWO THINGS.

ONE BEING THE GRASSROOTS EFFORT BY MERIDIAN VOICES 2021 TO OPPOSE THE TOWNSHIP BOARD INITIATIVE OF OPTING IN FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA BUSINESSES IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HUNDREDS OF REGISTERED VOTERS AND MERIDIAN RESIDENTS OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

AND I'M COLLECTING PETITION SIGNATURES TO PLACE A LOCAL PROPOSAL ON THE BALLOT FOR MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP VOTERS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY OPPOSE OPTING IN FOR RECREATIONAL

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MARIJUANA BUSINESSES.

IT IS A VERY HOT TOPIC IN OUR TOWNSHIP, AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN IT. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS YOU FORMALIZE YOUR TRIENNIAL CITIZEN'S SURVEY TO INCLUDE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL CANNABIS BUSINESSES IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY GETS TO WHETHER OR NOT RESIDENTS THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD INITIATIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MISS PAIGE.

AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, MR. JOHN COVELL, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PRIOR TO YOUR REMARKS.

AND WE WILL SET THE TIMER, JOHN COVELL, 6156 EAST LAKE DRIVE HASLETT.

I, TOO, AM HERE ON THE MARIJUANA STATUS THING, THE POSSIBILITY OF OPTING IN FOR COMMERCIAL SALES.

I HAVE DEFINITELY FLAT OUT AGAINST IT.

I WISH THAT SOME OF YOU WOULD TAKE A RIDE DOWN SOUTH CEDAR STREET FROM 496DOWN THE JOLLY ROAD AND BACK. AND JUST LOOK AT THE GENERAL AREA.

THERE ARE A LOT OF MARIJUANA SHOPS, THERE'S A LOT OF ABANDONED BUILDINGS.

THERE'S A GHETTO DOWN THERE, JUST THE WHOLE PLACE.

IT'S JUST UGLY. DO WE REALLY WANT GRAND RIVER AVENUE OR OKEMOS ROAD TO TURN INTO SOUTH CEDAR STREET? I DON'T REALLY THINK SO.

THE CITY OF HOWELL ACTUALLY OPTED OUT OF THERE, OUT OF IT NOT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A PUBLIC VOTE OR A COUNCIL VOTE, BUT THE CITY HALL DIDN'T GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY OPTED OUT OF THE MARIJUANA BUSINESS.

SO I JUST I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S ANY MONEY TO BE MADE BY IT.

AND IF I WAS THE BUSINESS OWNER AND HAD A SHOP IN A STRIP MALL AND SOMEBODY OPENED UP A POT SHOP NEXT TO ME, I'D BE LOOKING TO GET OUT OF HERE.

I KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A COFFEE SHOP OR A BARBERSHOP OR YOUR BEAUTY SALON AND THEY HAVE A POT S NEXT DOOR TO COME ON.

I THINK WE BOTH KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.

I REALLY THINK THERE WOULD BE AN UPTICK IN CRIME BECAUSE THIS ATTRACTS PEOPLE WANT TO BREAK AND ENTER OR ROB THE PLACE.

I MEAN, WE DO HAVE TO HIRE MORE POLICE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE SITUATION OR CHASE THESE PEOPLE DOWN. I SEE NO BENEFIT IN HAVING THIS RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, BUT I CAN'T SEE WHETHER IT BE ANY FINANCIAL BENEFIT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TURN INTO A CENTRAL LANSING? I THINK NOT.

SO GOT A MINUTE LEFT.

YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO ANYBODY? WE DO NOT HAVE YOU BACK AND FORTH DIALOG AT THIS TIME.

THE BOARD MAY ADDRESS YOUR REMARKS DURING BOARD MEMBER COMMENT ON THE CITIZEN'S SURVEY.

OK, RIGHT.

I GUESS I GIVE MY TIME BACK TO YOU, SIR.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK MR. KEVIN SCHOEN. IF YOU JUST GIVE YOUR ADDRESS THE PHRASE MAKING SURE MY NAME'S KEVIN SCHOEN, I LIVE AT 6102 COLUMBIA IN HASLETT ON LAKE LANSING.

ANYWAYS, I'VE GOT A LITTLE MAP HERE THAT I'VE GOT.

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING BROADBAND, FIBER OPTIC IN SOME COMMUNITIES, SOME AREAS OF HASLETT AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATED MAP OF WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING GIGABIT FIBER.

WE'VE COMPLETED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THE NEIGHBORHOODS EAST AND WEST OF CARNELL ROAD, SOUTH OF OF HASLETT ROAD.

AND ALSO THERE IS A SECTION THAT IS SOUTH OF LAKE LANSING PARK.

SO THAT WE JUST COMPLETED AS WELL AND ARE ACTIVELY HOOKING UP CUSTOMERS NOW.

SO WE HAVE A FEW OTHER AREAS THAT ARE IN CONSIDERATION.

BASICALLY THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WEST OF THE WATERSHED THAT IS NORTH OF HASLETT ROAD AND THE USED STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS WEST OF WHERE THE NEW HOT DOG SHOP IS, AND WE'RE ALSO THERE'S A NEW SUBDIVISION GOING IN FURTHER DOWN AND HASLETT ROAD.

WE'RE PUTTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONDUIT THROUGH THAT NEW SUBDIVISION.

SO, ANYWAYS, THAT'S A QUICK RUNDOWN.

I THINK THOSE AREAS ARE RIGHT ABOUT HERE, THIS AREA UP HERE AND THIS SET OF STREETS OVER

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HERE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET STARTED ON HERE IN THE FALL.

SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S IT, AND I'M ALL FOR MORE MARIJUANA SHOPS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FINE, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE USAGE BY PEOPLE.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DRIVE TO EAST LANSING OR LANSING.

SO I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE PEOPLE JUST DRIVE NOT QUITE AS FAR.

SO ANYWAYS, THANKS A BUNCH.

THANK YOU. AND THAT IS ALL THE CARDS WE HAVE RECEIVING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER'S REPORT.

[6. TOWNSHIP MANAGER REPORT]

MR. WALSH? THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PRO-TEM OPSOMMER.

NOW, JUST A FEW THINGS FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THIS EVENING, THE SOLAR PROJECT AT THE SENIOR CENTER IS UNDERWAY.

WE EXPECT TO SEE ABOUT A TWO WEEK PROJECT AND THAT WILL PROVIDE 100 PERCENT OF OUR ENERGY NEEDS AT THE SERVICE CENTER COMPLEX.

THE LOCAL ROAD PROJECTS FOR 2021 CONTINUES.

ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE HOPE TO GET INTO HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO GET INTO FOR ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS? AS THE AREA UP IN HASLETT AROUND THE LOUISVILLE GRILLE AND LAKE LANSING, AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD UP THERE, IS PREPARED AND READY TO BE RESURFACED AND WE'LL BE CLOSED TOMORROW, OUR OPERATIONS WILL CLOSE.

OUR NON EMERGENCY OPERATIONS WILL CLOSE TOMORROW AT NOON SO THAT WE MAY CONDUCT OUR 9TH ANNUAL APPRECIATION PICNIC FOR OUR TEAM MEMBERS.

WE'RE WELL UNDERWAY WITH THE BUDGET PREP FOR 2022.

ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THAT BUDGET THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN YEARS, AND THAT IS THE REDUCTION IN PAYMENTS FOR RETIREE HEALTH CARE AND THE TOWNSHIP PENSION FUND, BOTH OF THOSE AFTER YEARS OF PLANNING BY THE BOARD AND THE WORK OF THE TEAM, WE NOW HAVE THOSE TWO FUNDS.

UNLIKE MOST COMMUNITIES IN MICHIGAN, THOSE TWO FUNDS ARE NOW 100 PERCENT FUNDED.

AND WE HAD AN INCIDENT THAT YOU MAY HAVE I'M SURE YOU HAVE READ ABOUT HEARD ABOUT THAT WITH MEDICAL MANAGEMENT.

WHAT MEDICAL MANAGEMENT PROVIDES IN THE BILLING SERVICES FOR OUR PARAMEDIC OPERATIONS.

THEY HANDLE ALL OF OUR BILLING AND IT'S NOT EXTERNAL, IT'S A THIRD PARTY.

AND WE HAD A CITIZEN WHO FORMALLY ACTUALLY SERVED DILIGENTLY ON OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, HAD AN ISSUE THAT SOMEONE WHO ALWAYS PAYS THEIR BILL, THERE'S AN ERROR IN THAT AND THEY DID GET A MESSAGE FROM COLLECTIONS UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR TO THAT RESIDENT.

I WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN PUBLICLY THIS EVENING.

AND IT'S VERY ALARMING TO PEOPLE THAT PAY THEIR BILLS AND THEN GETTING A NOTICE FROM COLLECTIONS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT RESIDENT IS WATCHING TONIGHT AND CAN UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY THAT WE FEEL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

MEDICAL MANAGEMENT IS APOLOGIZING IN WRITING ALSO TO THE RESIDENT.

I WANT TO WISH DAVE LEE OUR ASSESSOR WELL.

FRIDAY'S HIS LAST DAY.

THERE WILL BE A LITTLE SENDOFF FOR HIM IS BEING PLANNED BY THE TEAM.

MR. LEE, WHO IS A MASTER LEVEL, LEVEL FOUR ASSESSOR THAT'S THE HIGHEST CERTIFICATION YOU COULD HAVE IN THE STATE. HIS LAST DAY IS FRIDAY.

HE HAS WORKED JOINTLY BETWEEN THE CITY OF EAST LANSING AND MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP SINCE 2010.

DUE TO SOME OF THE WORKLOAD IN EAST LANSING, HE'S HAD TO GO BACK TO EAST LANSING FULL TIME. AND WE NOW HAVE ASHLEY WINSTEAD, WHO HAS JOINED US, WILL BE TAKING OVER ASSESSOR DUTIES. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWNSHIP AT THIS TIME.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MANAGER WALSH. AND BEFORE I GO TO BOARD MEMBERS, FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE MANAGER.

I WILL JUST SAY FOR SUPERVISOR STYKA AND TRUSTEE WISINSKI WHO ARE ON VIA ZOOM.

I DO HAVE A COMPUTER IN FRONT OF ME SO I CAN SEE IF YOUR HANDS ARE RAISED VIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY, I HAVE A MONITOR.

SO PLEASE JUST RAISE YOUR HANDS VIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY ON THE MONITOR AND I WILL CALL YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE MANAGER? NOT SEEING ANY. I WOULD JUST ALSO WISH DAVE LEE WELL WITH HIS CONTINUED ENDEAVORS IN THE CITY OF LANSING AND I WILL JUST SAY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHEN I HAD A QUESTION ON STATE POLICY THAT GOT INTO PROPERTY TAXATION, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, DAVE LEE CAN ANSWER JUST ABOUT ANY QUESTION, NO MATTER THE TECHNICALITY AND JUST THE TECHNICAL NATURE OF THE QUESTION AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE.

SO, HIS KNOWLEDGE WILL BE MISSED AND WE'LL MISS THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, VERY SORRY, SEVEN, WE'RE ONTO BOARD

[7. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS OF ACTIVITIES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

MEMBER REPORTS OF ACTIVITIES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO THE FIRST? TREASURER DESCHAINE? THANK YOU.

SOME TAX BILLS ARE OUT, THEY WERE MAILED ON JULY 1ST.

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WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE TAX BILL YET.

PLEASE CALL OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL GET YOU A DUPLICATE COPY OUT RIGHT NOW.

OR IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAX BILL, IF WE CAN'T ANSWER, WE'LL GET YOU SOMEONE WHO CAN ANSWER IT.

TAXES, SOME TAXES ARE DUE SEPTEMBER 14TH.

IN THE PAST THREE WEEKS, I HAVE BEEN IN A FEW MEETINGS TODAY, ACTUALLY, I MET WITH M EDICAL MANAGEMENT TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES THAT THE MANAGER BROUGHT UP AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WE TRIED TO ANNOUNCE AND THAT IS OUR LONG SERVING DEPUTY TREASURER, MARY ANN GROUP, WHO IS WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE 15 YEARS WITH THE TOWNSHIP, 33 YEARS RETIRED AS OF JULY 2ND. WE'LL MISS MARY ANN VERY MUCH.

AND WE WISH YOU WELL IN RETIREMENT.

AND LASTLY, I DID ATTEND THE INCOMING CHAPTER OF THE MICHIGAN TOWNSHIP'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A VERY INTERESTING AND EFFECTIVE MEETING WITH CLERK GUTHRIE AND TRUSTEE JACKSON AND HOPE TO GET MORE ACTIVE IN OUR LOCAL CHAPTERS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN INFLUENCE.

AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR MICHIGAN TOWNSHIP'S ASSOCIATION.

I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR FROM MR. SCHOEN ON THIS ACDNET FIBER.

I HOPE WE CAN MAYBE GET HIM BACK.

WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE ISSUES HAS BEEN COMPETITIVENESS.

AND IT APPEARS, AT LEAST IN THE HASLETT REGION, WE'VE GOT SOME COMPETITION WITH COMCAST AND NOTHING LIKE COMPETITION TO DRIVE DOWN RATES AND INCREASE SERVICES.

I DON'T KNOW IF OUR, IF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT, WHAT ACDNET IS OFFERING HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO FIND OUT AND MAKE SURE WE MAKE OUR CITIZENS AWARE.

35 YEARS AGO WHEN CABLE TV FRANCHISES WERE PASSED OUT AND AWARDED THEY WERE OFTEN DONE IN NO BID CONTRACT OR NO COMPETITION CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF THE COST OF LAYING CABLE STOCK COULD BE SO HIGH. SO THESE CABLE TV COMPANIES LIKE COMCAST GOT EXCLUSIVE MONOPOLIES TO COMMUNITIES. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SITUATION WE HAVE NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT ONE CABLE COMPANY AND NO COMPETITION.

SO BRAVO TO ACDNET FOR PROVIDING SOME COMPETITION FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

OFFERING THEM A SERVICE LOOKS TO BE ABOUT FIVE TIMES THE SPEED FOR THE SAME PRICE THAT I'M PAYING COMCAST FOR HIGH SPEED INTERNET TODAY.

SO I HOPE TO HEAR MORE FROM ACDNET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TREASURER DESCHAINE.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ACTIVITIES.

TRUSTEE JACKSON? YES, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT IN ADDITION TO THE INGHAM COUNTY MTA MEETING THAT I INTENDED WITH TREASURER DESCHAINE, I ALSO ATTENDED MONDAY MORNING 7:30 A.M.

DEA MEETING.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JACKSON.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS? TRUSTEE WISINSKI? YOU ARE STILL MUTED, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE, THINK YOU.

THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PRO-TEM, CAN YOU HEAR ME OK RIGHT NOW? YEP, WE CAN HEAR YOU PERFECTLY.

EXCELLENT. WELL, UPDATE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, WE ARE WORKING AND STILL WORKING TOWARDS THAT WETLANDS ORDINANCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REVIEWING THAT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS VERY STRONG COMPARED TO OTHER ORDINANCES. WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH DIRECTOR SCHMIDT TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN ALSO HAVE DECIDED THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A PROACTIVE APPROACH AND HOPEFULLY IMPLEMENT AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN WORKING WITH DIRECTOR YEATS TO GET SOME IDEAS FROM HER AND HER STAFF TO DO THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF W ETLANDS. AND ALSO WHAT THE ORDINANCE STATES IS IN COMPLIANCE FROM THERE.

OTHER UPDATE WOULD BE OUR DIVERSITY INCLUSION PROGRAM AND HER WORK GROUP.

WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

THANK YOU TO DIRECTOR LOOKING TO SCHEDULE TO COMING IN AND TRAINING FOR THE M TEAM, THE MANAGERS AND DIRECTORS, AS WELL AS THE BOARD MEMBERS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS AND REPORTS? SEEING NONE, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY MENTION THAT THE TOWNSHIP SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE BOARD AND STAFF, WE CREATED THESE VARIOUS SUBCOMMITTEES FOR EACH OF THE GOALS ON OUR AGENDA.

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ONE OF THE TOP GOALS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN REDEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN OKEMOS AND DOWNTOWN HASLETT. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE HAD A SECOND AMENDMENT FROM THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS DEVELOPER AND THERE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR RESIDENTS WHO CAME AND SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THE NATURE OF THAT AMENDMENT, THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HEARING THOSE CONCERNS.

AND WE ARE WORKING TO RESTORE THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE HAVING A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN IS ESSENTIAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING.

AND SO SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA

[8. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SO MOVED.

SUPPRT. MOVED AND SUPPORTED.

CLERK GUTHRIE, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL? SUPERVISOR STYKA? I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S... TRUSTEE WISINSKI? YES.

TRUSTEE SUNDLAND? YES.

TRUSTEE JACKSON? YES, TRUSTEE OPSOMMER? YES, TREASURER DESCHAINE? YES, CLERK GUTHRIE VOTES YES.

THAT IS 6-0. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK THEY'RE ALSO YES, THANK YOU.

THAT IS 7-0.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE. AND WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSENT AGENDA ON

[9. CONSENT AGENDA]

WHICH WE HAVE A, COMMUNICATIONS.

B, THE MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 15TH AND JUNE 30TH OF MEETINGS OF THE BOARD AND THE BILLS.

WE DO NEED A RECORD ROLL CALL VOTE FOR ALL ITEMS, THIS EVENING.

CLERK GUTHRIE, COULD YOU PLEASE, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOVED BY TREASURER DESCHAINE, SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE SUNDLAND.

CLERK GUTHRIE, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL? TRUSTEE OPSOMMER? YES. TRUSTEE JACKSON? YES. TREASURER DESCHAINE? YES. CLERK GUTHRIE VOTES YES.

SUPERVISOR STYKA? WELL, YES.

TRUSTEE SUNDLAND? YES.

AND TRUSTEE WISINSKI? YES.

MOTION CARRIES 7-0.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

WE ARE ONTO AGENDA 10, QUESTIONS FOR THE ATTORNEY.

OUR ATTORNEYS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER 11, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE DO HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM 11, A PATHWAY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

[11A. Pathway Master Plan Update]

AND I WILL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER AT 6:22 P.M.

AND WE HAVE DEPUTY MANAGER PERRY TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORK THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS UNDERTAKEN AND ONE OF OUR GOALS FOR THE 2021 CALENDAR YEAR.

THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I FEEL LIKE I'M RUSTY AT DOING THIS.

PATHWAY MASTER PLAN.

JUST FOR BACKGROUND, SINCE 1974, MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HAS HAD A PATHWAY SYSTEM.

THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY HAVE APPROVED A DEDICATED MILLAGE TO FUND THIS PATHWAY SYSTEM.

IN FACT, IT WAS MOST RECENTLY APPROVED IN 2016 THAT MILLAGE GENERATES ABOUT 600,000 DOLLARS THAT WE USE TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM, ALSO EXPAND THE SYSTEM AND MOST RECENTLY WITH THE COUNTY PARK INTERRAIL MILLAGE, WE'VE BEEN USING IT TO LEVERAGE THOSE COUNTY DOLLARS THAT OUR RESIDENTS PAY INTO IT AND MAKE SURE WE GET OUR FAIR SHARE BACK.

SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT.

JUST AS FAR AS THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE PATHWAY SYSTEM, OVER 70 MILES OF DEDICATED PATHWAY, OVER 30 SOME MILES OF PAVED SHOULDER.

SO IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE.

THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ELECTRONICALLY, I ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD COPY UP HERE SHOWS HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP.

IT'S VERY DIVERSE AND IN EVERY CORNER OF THE TOWNSHIP.

THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS WE TRY TO UPDATE THIS, PROVIDE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE WHAT'S ON THE PLAN, THAT MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE OR JUST PROVIDE US GENERAL COMMENTS ON THE PATHWAY SYSTEM. SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THAT UPDATE THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT.

THE UPDATE ACTUALLY HAS TWO PARTS.

WE KIND OF HAVE A SHORT TERM PLAN, AND THAT KIND OF PROVIDES US INFORMATION ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

ALTHOUGH THE CAVEAT WITH THAT IS THE MSU, THE LAKE LANSING PATHWAY, WHICH PRETTY MUCH RUNS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE TOWNSHIP IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY NOT ONLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ACTUALLY THE REGION, TOO.

AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GAPS IN THE SYSTEM, HISTORICAL GAPS THAT WE'RE

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RECOMMENDING THAT WE TRY TO CLOSE AS WE CLOSE OUT THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

AND THEN THE LONG TERM PLAN IS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, WHICH IS THE BIG MAP.

AND WE HAVE 10 ADDITIONS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED TO THAT.

AS PART OF THE UPDATE, NOT ONLY DO WE PRESENT THIS TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD, BUT WE ACTUALLY UTILIZE OUR TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION.

WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THEM TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY INPUT FROM THE BOARD, BUT THE PUBLIC THAT ATTENDED THERE.

WE ATTENDED TWO PARKS COMMISSION MEETINGS TO SOLICIT THAT INPUT.

WE ALSO ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND PRESENTED THE PLAN AND THEN ALSO THE LAND PRESERVATION BOARD.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR NOT ONLY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PLAN.

AND AGAIN, TONIGHT IS ALSO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM. ONCE WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE ITEM WILL BE UP FOR DISCUSSION LATER TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA. BUT THEN I'LL BE BACK FOR THE BOARD, TAKE ACTION ON IT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE WATCHING AT HOME THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT AND WAS NOT UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT, THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO EMAIL US AND GET THAT INFORMATION SO WE CAN PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.

AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP IN YOUR PACKET, THE SHORT TERM PLAN, WE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF THOSE HISTORICAL GAPS AND THEY'RE REALLY THEY'RE THE YEAR AND THEN THE DASH AND THEN THE PRIORITY. SO OVER HERE ON HASLETT ROAD, THERE'S TWENTY FOUR DASH THREE.

WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS 2024.

THAT'S KIND OF OUR THIRD PRIORITY TO ACCOMPLISH IN THAT YEAR.

AND SO THERE SEVERAL OF THOSE ON HERE, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY WITH THE CAVEAT THAT SOMETIMES THOSE MOVE UP IN PRIORITY WHEN A DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

SO ONCE THE DEVELOPER COMPLETES THEIR PORTION OF THE PATHWAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE A GAP THERE FOR TWO YEARS.

IF IT MAKES SENSE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THAT AND CLOSE THAT GAP.

SO, AGAIN, IT'S A PLAN.

IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT DOES CHANGE, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE US OVERALL DIRECTION.

AND THEN PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, ARE THE POTENTIAL ADDITIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE PLAN. AND THERE'S TEN OF THOSE.

AND THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED ON YOUR MAP IN YELLOW.

AND THEN THEY HAVE KIND OF A I GUESS WE'LL CALL THAT COLOR PURPLE, THE NUMBER THAT IT IS IN A CIRCLE AND THOSE CORRELATE WITH THOSE IN THE MEMO, AS FAR AS LIKE THE GREEN ROAD EXTENSION IS NUMBER ONE, THAT'S LOCATED UP THERE ON GREEN ROAD IN YELLOW WITH THE PURPLE CIRCLE. SO THERE'S 10 OF THOSE I'VE IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP.

AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OR IF YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS DURING DISCUSSIONS. BUT THAT ESSENTIALLY IS THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK THAT'S AN OVERVIEW.

AND UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC WEIGH IN.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MANAGER PERRY, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK DURING THE HEARING? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:27 P.M.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA NUMBER 12A, THE CITIZENS SURVEY DRAFT.

[12A. Citizen’s Survey Draft (Part 1 of 2)]

WE WILL HAVE DIRECTOR CLARK INTRODUCE THE LATEST VERSION OF THE DRAFT TO THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

THE LAST BOARD MEETING THAT WE TOOK UP DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, THERE WERE ONLY A FEW THINGS THAT THIS BODY HAD ASKED FOR REVISIONS.

ONE WAS REVISIONS TO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT BROADBAND TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LAYMAN'S TERMS AND ADJUSTABLE FOR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT KIND OF SERVICES THEY HAVE. SO THE QUESTIONS ARE REALLY RELATED TO WHAT SERVICES DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY IN YOUR HOME? HOW DO YOU USE IT? YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU USE YOUR BROADBAND ACCESS? CONSIDER THE TOWNSHIP DOING AFFORDABLE BROADBAND THEN THE MONTHLY FEE THAT THEY BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT AS FAR AS THE MILLAGE.

I FELT LIKE ASKING A MILLAGE QUESTION MIGHT BE CONFUSING.

YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN MILLS IN RELATION TO TAXES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THE OTHER QUESTION WE ASKED, WE ASKED FOR ADDITIONS, FOR SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF EVENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN A SPECIFICATION RELATED TO CLERK GUTHRIE'S QUESTION FOR A QUESTION NUMBER THIRTY FOUR, TO SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT THE TOWNSHIP OPTED OUT OF AS FAR AS RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AND IF RESIDENTS FEEL WE SHOULD OPT IN. AND THOSE WERE THE ISSUES.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CLARK.

INPUT AND DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? TREASURER DESCHAINE? TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE DRAFT AND SURVEY AND INSTRUCT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP STAFF TO PURSUE WITH COBALT COMMUNITY RESEARCH.

SECOND.

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SECONDED BY CLERK GUTHRIE.

TO THE DISCUSSION, I WANT TO THANK DIRECTOR CLARK THIS REALLY WASN'T WHAT WE HIRED YOU TO DO, BUT YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH IT YOU'VE BEEN ON IT FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

AND I'M TRYING TO BRING TOGETHER THE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT THE SURVEY SHOULD BE.

SURVEYS. HAVEN'T BEEN, IF YOU WILL, POLITICAL IN THE PAST AND THIS ONE YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING TOGETHERI'M EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THIS OUT.

I THINK IT'S A BETTER SURVEY THAN WE DID LAST TIME.

I THINK WE'LL GET BETTER INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND HOPEFULLY THE RESULTS WILL COME IN HIGHER NUMBERS THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE GOOD.

ONCE WE HAVE THE ANSWERS BACK, THEY'LL BE VERY HELPFUL TO US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WORK.

THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? TRUSTEE JACKSON? YES, I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO ADOPT THE SURVEY AS DRAFTED.

NOW, MY NEXT QUESTI`ON WOULD BE, I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN . REAL QUICK BEFORE A DISCUSSION.

LET'S HAVE A IS THERE A SECOND TO TRUSTEE JACKSON MOTION? SECOND. SECONDED BY TRUSTEE SUNDLAND.

NOW, TRUSTEE JACKSON WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR MOTION? YES, I THINK THAT QUESTION 34 CONTINUES TO BE CONTENTIOUS AND DISRUPTIVE TO THIS PROCESS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE QUESTION AS WRITTEN PROVIDES SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AND CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY, WHAT ACTIONS THE BOARD HAS TAKEN ALREADY.

AND SO TO ELIMINATE THAT DISPARITY, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE QUESTION 34 COMPLETELY ELIMINATED.

TRUSTEE SUNDLAND WANTS TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

DO YOU WISH TO DISCUSS IT? YEAH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS SURVEY.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, OUR SERVICES, OUR PROGRAMS AND IN THE SURVEY. I JUST THINK THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE AN ITEM, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE SUNDLAND.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY? TRUSTEE WISINSKI? ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT AND EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS IN THE PAST I THINK, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

AND I DO THINK THE SURVEYS WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO PUT THIS ON OUR NOVEMBER BALLOT, AND FOR ME I FEEL THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYBODY AND LET'S GET AN ACCURATE RESPONSE FROM EVERYBODY. AND I JUST, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING AS, TRUSTEE JACKSON MENTIONED, ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GIVE THE PUBLIC WITHIN A SURVEY QUESTION ON THIS SPECIFICS OF HOW. WHAT OUR ORDINANCE WELL? SO I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT REMOVAL OF QUESTION 34.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON THE MOTION TO AMEND? I'M GOING TO CALL ON SUPERVISOR STYKA AND THEN TREASURER DESCHAINE.

I DISAGREE.

IT SEEMS TO ME FIRST, WE DON'T KNOW YET ALSO, THAT PRESUMES A LOT OF SIGNATURES NEED TO BE NARROWLY OBTAINED, THE VERY SCRUTINY OF THE LANGUAGE, ETC.

THERE WOULD BE SECONDLY, THIS OPEN IDEA OF A SURVEY DOES NOT GET THE PERFECT RESULT OF A SERIOUS TAKE TEMPERATURE? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING WITH THE SURVEY? WE'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT HAVING THE RESULT IMPERFECT.

THE SAMPLE WILL BE LARGE TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE PERFECT , DON'T DO THE SURVEY AT ALL.

THE FACT IS THE SURVEY IS GOING TO GUVE USE THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

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WE NEED TO THIS ISSUE. WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE TOWNSHIP CHAIR WHAT HE'S THINKING.

AND I THINK THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR STYKA.

TREASURER DESCHAINE? FIRST OF ALL, LET ME READ QUESTION 34.

IN 2019 THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP BOARD APPROVED THE CURRENT ORDINANCE FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA LICENSING ONLY TO DO SOME BACKGROUND IMPROVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

THE TOWNSHIP OPTED OUT OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA LICENSING IN 2019, STATES WHERE IT WASN'T RECREATIONAL.

SHOULD THE TOWNSHIP BOARD ELECTED TO OPT INTO RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA LICENSING IN 2021? RATHER THAN ELIMINATE THIS QUESTION, WE NEED TO GET THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.

SUGGEST A ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE QUESTION.

BUT TO LEAVE IT OFF REALLY DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE SURVEY.

THIS IS THE MOST PRESSING QUESTION BEFORE US.

SHOULD WE ALLOW RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP? THIS BOARD HAS ACTED TOGETHER FOR FIVE YEARS.

IT'S SPLIT RIGHT NOW.

THE WAY TO RESOLVE THAT IS TO FIND OUT HOW OUR CITIZENS FEEL ABOUT THIS, NOT TO PUT A BAG OVER OUR HEADS AND PLUG OUR EARS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE ANSWER.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. ARE YOU, WITH THIS QUESTION SAYING WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY? SIMPLY WE DON'T CARE.

WE'RE GOING TO VOTE HOW WE FEEL IN OUR GUT ABOUT MARIJUANA.

WE'RE GOING TO VOTE OUR OPINION.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE BASED ON WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.

WE'RE NOT EVEN ASKING THE CITIZENS.

THIS WOULD BE THE MOST UNDEMOCRATIC THING IMAGINABLE FOR THIS BOARD TO DO, TO TAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION BEFORE US OFF THE SURVEY.

REVISE THE QUESTION IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, BUT TO TAKE IT OFF IS THE WRONG THING TO DO. IT'S NO ACCIDENT THAT THE FOUR TRUSTEES OR THREE OF THE FOUR TRUSTEES SUPPORTING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA ARE ALSO ASKING FOR THIS QUESTION TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SURVEY.

LOOK, THEY VOTED 61 PERCENT TO DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA IN 2018.

WE HAVE BROAD SUPPORT FOR THIS.

BUT IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU WOULD WELCOME THIS QUESTION.

I KNOW THE ANSWER IS THEY'RE GOING TO BACK UP YOUR 61 PERCENT ASSERTION.

TAKE IT OFF, YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THE OPPOSITE.

YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T REALLY THINK WE GOT THAT MUCH SUPPORT.

MAYBE IT'S TWENTY FIVE PERCENT TO SUPPORT RECREATIONAL, MAYBE IT'S 30, BUT PROBABLY 61.

SO THIS IS A REAL TELL OF YOUR POSITIONS TO TAKE IT OFF THE SURVEY.

THAT'S TO ME AND MANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT WILL BE TO SAY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH SUPPORT FOR THIS AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT VERIFIED BY A SURVEY BECAUSE THIS IS A FAIR QUESTION. OUR DIRECTOR WORKED ON IT FOR MONTHS.

IT'S NOT A BIASED QUESTION.

SHE STATED THAT WE PASSED MEDICAL, WE CAN OPT OUT OF RECREATIONAL.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO NOW WITH RECREATIONAL? SHE STATES BOTH FACTS REAL CLEARLY IN THAT QUESTION.

AND YOU REMOVE THE QUESTION.

THAT'S A REAL TELL TO HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE THINK IS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE QUESTION OFF THE SURVEY, THAT TELLS ME YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT MUCH SUPPORT. YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION WITHOUT KNOWING HOW YOUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

AS FOR TRUSTEE WISINSKI'S QUESTION ABOUT THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON NOVEMBER BALLOT, ASKING THIS.

I'M ASSUMING DOESN'T CHANGE IT ONE BIT, IT'S NOT LIKE A SURVEY THAT'S ATTEMPTS TO INFLUENCE THE PUBLIC.

IT JUST PASSED THE PUBLIC QUESTION.

PEOPLE WANT TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, HAVE A HIGH HILL TO CLIMB.

THEY'VE GOT TO GET THE PETITION SIGNATURES.

THEY'VE GOT TO END UP IN COURT FIGHTING AGAINST THE POT CHALLENGE THE PETITIONS.

THEN THEY'VE GOT TO GO OUT AND GET THE VOTERS TO SUPPORT IT.

AND CLINTON TOWNSHIP, THE PRO POT PEOPLE, PRO MARIJUANA PEOPLE SPENT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GET THERE TO OPT IN.

AND THE ANTI MARIJUANA PEOPLE SPENT ABOUT FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THEY STILL CHOSE TO OPT OUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF THIS GETS IN THE BALLOT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF MONEY, SUPPORTED THIS TOWNSHIP TO TRY AND GET MERIDIAN VOTERS TO SUPPORT, RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

THAT WILL CHANGE HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT, THAT'S THE POINT OF THESE THINGS.

WE HAVE A CHANCE TO FIND OUT TODAY HOW PEOPLE FEEL BEFORE ALL OUR MAILBOX GET FULL OF MAIL, I'M REALLY APPALLED BY THIS IDEA OF TAKING THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION BEFORE US OFF THE SURVEY. THIS IS UNDEMOCRATIC AND IT'S JUST PLAIN WRONG.

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I AGREE WITH SUPERVISOR STYKA, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS QUESTION ON THERE LET'S CANCEL THE WHOLE SURVEY, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW NOW.

HOW OUR RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

AND I AM VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO REMOVING THIS QUESTION.

IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE SURVEY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TREASURER DESCHAINE. CLERK GUTHRIE? I AGREE. I LOOK AT THIS BOARD AS AN INCLUSIVE BOARD WHO INCLUDES RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS WHO ASKS THEM THEIR OPINION FREQUENTLY WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THIS BOARD HAS CONTINUALLY SUPPORTED THE HOMTV OPERATIONS TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT OTHER OPERATIONS, LIKE HAVING A HYBRID MEETING CURRENTLY SO THAT WE CAN BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL TOWNSHIP BOARD MEMBERS IN THEIR TIME OF NEED. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD EXCLUDE THE PUBLIC AT THIS MOMENT FROM HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS QUESTION OR ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

THIS BOARD AGREED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND I'M SORRY, AMBER, THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS BOARD LISTENING TO A BICKER ABOUT ONE QUESTION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS SURVEY.

WE SAID EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT COMPANY DO THE SURVEY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A LARGER SAMPLE THAN WE USED TO HAVE BEFORE, AND SO THAT WE AND SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SO WE GET A LARGER SAMPLE THAN WE USED TO HAVE BEFORE AND SO THAT WE COULD ASK MORE QUESTIONS. NOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS IS A SMALL SAMPLE.

NO, IT'S LARGER THAN WHAT WE USED TO HAVE.

AND THIS BOARD WOULD TAKE THOSE RESULTS FROM THE SURVEYS IN THE PAST AND USE THOSE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON.

AND NOW WE WANT TO SUPPRESS PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND THEIR VOICE ON THE SURVEY BY NOT ASKING THIS QUESTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AS SOMEBODY WHO LIKES TO ASK QUESTIONS AND SOMEBODY WHO LIKES TO FIND OUT INFORMATION, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS BOARD WOULD NOT WANT TO FIND OUT INFORMATION AND ASK THIS QUESTION OF OF ITS RESIDENTS.

IT MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME.

I DON'T THINK IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

YOU COULD TAKE ANYTHING FROM THE SURVEY AND CLAIM THAT IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

IT IS ONE QUESTION.

YOU COULD TAKE THE ROAD MILLAGE THAT WE ASKED YOU FOR AND PREVIOUS SURVEYS.

AND IF YOUR OPINION IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A ROAD MILLAGE, YOU COULD SAY THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL. YOU COULD PICK APART ANYTHING IN THE SURVEY CLAIM THAT IT'S CONTROVERSIAL AT. I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AND THEN IN THE SAME BREATH TO SAY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ASKED ON A BALLOT. OK, SO THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION ON A BALLOT TO ASK THE QUESTION OF EVERYBODY, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ASK THIS QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

YOU CAN'T SAY THERE'S ENOUGH, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE SURVEY. MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE HOW IT'S WRITTEN, BUT I AM AN INCLUSIVE PERSON WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN SUPPRESSING PEOPLE'S VOICES OR THEIR OPINIONS.

AND I, AS ELECTED TOWNSHIP CLERK, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO SAY IN REGARDS TO NOT ONLY THIS QUESTION, BUT OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SURVEY.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

OK, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN THUS FAR ON THE MOTION TO AMEND.

SO I WANT TO SPEAK FOR A MOMENT ON THE MOTION BEFORE US.

SO I WANT TO FIRST SAY THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT STATUTORY THRESHOLDS AND CONSTITUTIONAL THRESHOLDS FOR WHAT CAN GO ON THE BALLOT AND COMPARE THAT TO THE SAMPLE SIZE THAT WE WOULD GET IN THIS SURVEY OR THAT YOU WOULD GET IN ANY SURVEY YOUR POLLING JUST TO PUT THE QUESTION ON THE BALLOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE OVER 11 HUNDRED VALID SIGNATURES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD.

IT'S FIVE PERCENT OF ALL VOTES CAST FOR ALL GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES IN THE MOST RECENT GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION.

SO THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS 2018, THERE WAS A LITTLE UNDER 24000 VOTES CAST.

AND YOU HAVE A YEAR TO COLLECT THOSE SIGNATURES.

THAT'S A LOT LOWER THRESHOLD THAN A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE WHERE YOU HAVE TO COLLECT EIGHT PERCENT OF ALL VOTES CAST AND YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THEM ACROSS VARIOUS CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. YOU HAVE TO MEET THRESHOLDS WITHIN EACH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

SO JUST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT AT THE LOWEST THRESHOLD HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, YOU NEED TO HAVE 100 SIGNATURES.

AND WHAT THIS QUESTION SEEKS TO DO IS IT SEEKS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION THAT WAS HELD IN 2018 WITH A SAMPLE SIZE OF 300 TO 400 RESPONDENTS.

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AND WE ALL KNOW THAT ANY POLL AND ANY SURVEY IS SUBJECT TO A MARGIN OF ERROR OF SIGNIFICANT MAGNITUDE.

AND THIS IS THE ONLY QUESTION ON THE SURVEY THAT ACTUALLY SEEKS TO, I GUESS, FIND CLARIFICATION ON AN ELECTION THAT WE ALREADY HAD.

AND THAT ELECTION HAD THE HIGHEST TURNOUT OF AN ELECTION OF ITS NATURE IN TOWNSHIP HISTORY. WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT MANY VOTES CAST IN A GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION.

SO IF THE THRESHOLD TO JUST GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT IS 11 HUNDRED, HAVING A SURVEY QUESTION WITH THE INTENT OF DECIDING AN ISSUE WITH THREE HUNDRED TO 400 RESPONDENTS DOESN'T EVEN MEAN THAT IT'S A THIRD OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED JUST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. SO THAT'S HOW I'M VIEWING THIS.

AND I DO THINK THERE IS AN ATTEMPT TO BASICALLY PULL AN ELECTION THAT WE DO FULLY ANTICIPATE HAVING, BECAUSE, AGAIN, UNLIKE A STATEWIDE BALLOT INITIATIVE WHERE YOU FORCE THE CITIZENRY, YOU KNOW, OR YOU CAN'T HAVE A GRASSROOTS MOVEMENT, THE ONLY ONE THAT SUCCEEDED WAS VOTERS, NOT POLITICIANS, IN GETTING SOMETHING ON THE STATEWIDE BALLOT BECAUSE OF YOU HAD TO COLLECT EIGHT PERCENT OF SIGNATURES STATEWIDE AND YOU HAD TO COLLECT THEM GEOGRAPHICALLY DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE HERE, THE 1100 IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND YOU HAVE A WHOLE YEAR VERSUS SIX MONTHS TO DO IT IS A VERY LOW BAR AND I FULLY ANTICIPATE WE WILL HAVE AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

AND IF NOT, THEN NEXT SPRING.

THE BAR IS CERTAINLY SO LOW THAT AT ONE POINT VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE AN ELECTION.

BUT THE SAMPLE SIZE IS A THIRD.

YOU KNOW, THE SAMPLE SIZE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A THIRD OF JUST THAT BAR TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THE QUESTION.

NOW, WHAT I ALSO WANT TO SAY IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT COBALT AND WHAT THEY DID IN THE CITY OF ROYAL OAK, AGAIN, THAT SURVEY WAS VERY DETAILED.

IT ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ZONING REGULATION.

AND THESE WERE ALL IDEAS THAT I'VE OFFERED ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEETINGS.

AND I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR I'M NOT AND I DON'T THINK ANY BOARD MEMBER SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THE QUESTIONS.

BUT I'VE OFFERED IDEAS AND CONCEPTS.

ONE WOULD BE TO PUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT MAP IN.

ONE WOULD BE TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL CAP ON THE NUMBER OF PROVISIONAL CENTERS.

ONE WOULD BE TO OUTLINE THAT THE ZONING REGULATION ON THIS LAND USE IS STRICTER THAN ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL USE IN THE TOWNSHIP.

WE HAVE ALMOST 100 LIQUOR LICENSES AS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THIS QUESTION READS LIKE THERE'S INFINITE OR THERE COULD BE AN UNCAPPED NUMBER OF PROVISIONING CENTERS.

AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IS CREATED AN OVERLAY DISTRICT SYSTEM THAT REGULATES IT BY ZONING AND A STRICTER MANNER THAN ANY OTHER LAND USE.

AND THAT IS IN NO WAY OUTLINED IN THE QUESTION.

IN ADDITION TO THE CAP, IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER CONTROL METHODS, THE FINES, THE REVENUE TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT WOULD BE GENERATED.

I MEAN THE TWO ORDINANCES THAT WE ADOPTED ON THE MEDICAL SIDE AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT MAPS TOOK 12 OR 14 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THAT FIRST WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD VERSUS WHEN WE STARTED THE ACTUAL DRAFTING TWO OR THREE MONTHS LATER.

SO THERE IS A DEARTH OF WORK THAT WENT IN THERE THAT ISN'T OUTLINED.

AND TO ME, THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IS GOING TO READ THIS QUESTION AND ASSUME THAT BASICALLY ANY COMMERCIAL OR PROFESSIONAL AND OFFICE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY COULD BE CONVERTED BECAUSE THERE'S NO CAP OUTLINE, THERE'S NO ZONING REGULATION OUTLINED.

IT READS AS IF THERE IS NO CONTROLS PUT IN PLACE WHATSOEVER.

I HAVE OFFERED ALTERNATIVES.

I'M NOT GOING TO TYPE UP AN ELABORATE DOCUMENT AND MAKE A MOTION OFF OF IT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PERSONALLY BE INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THAT.

BUT I HAVE OFFERED THOSE CONCEPTS AND WE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN WE HAD EVEN BEFORE THE RFP, JUST WHEN DIRECTOR CLARK WENT OUT AND FOUND A COUPLE OF FIRMS, ONE OF WHICH WAS MSU, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE COBALT EXAMPLE OF THEIR SURVEY AND IT HAD YOU KNOW, THEY WERE COMING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

THEY HAD NOT OPTED IN ON EITHER YET.

BUT WE'RE PLANNING TO AND WERE SEEKING INPUT.

AND I WILL SAY THAT THEIR SURVEY DID A LINE WITHIN TWO PERCENT OF THE VOTE.

BUT THEIR SURVEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT ZONING REGULATION CAPS AND OTHER ENFORCEMENTS TO CONTROL AND REGULATE THE FACILITY TYPE WITHIN THE CITY.

OURS IS JUST AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION.

AND SO I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE WORK THAT THE BOARD DID.

AND I THINK THE INTENT IS TO PULL AN ELECTION THAT'S COMING UP.

AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S AN INTENT TO CREATE A TALKING POINT THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T SUPPORT IT, BECAUSE I THINK THE RESIDENTS WILL MOSTLY READ THAT QUESTION AS A FREE FOR ALL HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP.

I THINK THE ONE THING THAT RESIDENTS DO UNDERSTAND BASED ON THE CITY OF LANSING IS HOW

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QUICKLY THESE CAN PROLIFERATE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CAP.

OUR CAP IS SIX.

AND TECHNICALLY, LOGISTICALLY, IT'S FIVE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WE FOUND OUT THROUGH ONE OF THE APPLICANTS APPLYING THERE HAS SO LITTLE UPLAND THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN BUILD ON IT. SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY, WE HAVE A CAP OF FIVE.

WHAT THAT IS TO SAY THAT NONE OF THAT IS OUTLINED AND OBVIOUSLY OUTLINING THAT AND INCLUDING THE OVERLAY MAPS IS ROBUST AT THIS POINT.

SO I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION SO THAT WE CAN GET THE COMMUNITY SURVEY UNDERWAY.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY INITIAL COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? TREASURER DESCHAINE? YOU SAID, TRUSTEE OPSOMMER, THIS SEEKS TO OVERTHROW THE ELECTION IN 2018.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

THE ELECTION IN 2018 DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA AND ALLOWED FOR LOCAL CONTROL TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT. SO THAT'S JUST A FALSE STATEMENT.

AND I THINK YOU SHOULD WITHDRAW.

THIS CAP OF FIVE IS ANOTHER MAYBE HOPE YOU HAVE.

WELL, WE WERE TOLD BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL THAT IF WE DO ANYTHING LESS THAN THE UNLIMITED MARIJUANA STORES IN MERIDIAN, WITH YOUR PROVISION CENTER, WE WOULD BE SUED AND SUED AND SUED AS COMMUNITIES HAVE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU MIGHT GET CAPPED AT FIVE.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POT IN HIS CAP, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S OPTED IN. THEY'VE SUED UNTIL THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR WAY, WHICH HAS MEANT UNLIMITED NUMBER OF MARIJUANA STORES.

AND THIS ASSERTION THAT SOMEONE MIGHT READ THIS IN OUR TOWNSHIP AND SAY, OH, THEY CAN PUT A POT STORE ANYWHERE, ANY COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE THAT REALLY INSULTS OUR RESIDENTS, OUR RESIDENTS ARE SMARTER THAN THAT.

THEY KNOW WE HAVE THE ZONING.

THEY KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT THIS PROCESS FOR A WHILE.

THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME FALSE ASSUMPTION THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE, ANY TIME IS REALLY INSULTING TO THE EDUCATION AND THE SOPHISTICATION OF OUR 43,000 RESIDENTS.

ANOTHER COMMENT. I WISH YOU WOULD WITHDRAW BECAUSE IT'S INSULTING TO OUR RESIDENTS.

I WISH YOU WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION IS WHY YOU'D WANT TO DO SOMETHING SO UNDEMOCRATIC AS TO TAKE THIS QUESTION OFF THE SURVEY.

YOU, AMONG OTHERS HAVE SAID, OH, THERE'S GREAT SUPPORT FOR THE 61 PERCENT ORDER FOR THE 2018 REFERENDUM. I'M SURE WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH AND CHANGE THE WORD MEDICAL TO RECREATIONAL IN OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE PASSED THAT WE HAVE GREAT SUPPORT FOR IT.

IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THIS SURVEY QUESTION OUT THERE TO BACK UP YOUR BELIEF THAT 61 PERCENT OF OUR VOTERS SUPPORT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, WE DON'T KNOW. COULD BE 61 PERCENT, COULD BE 41 PERCENT, COULD BE 75, COULD BE 25.

THEY JUST DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NEVER BEEN SURVEYED BEFORE.

THE QUESTION ON 2018 WAS, DO WE WANT DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA? DO WE WANT TO ALLOW LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO GET, WE VOTED FOR THAT.

NOW, HERE IS A CHANCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE AND FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA STORES IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

BUT AGAIN, THE CAP OF FIVE IS JUST MAYBE YOUR BEST INTENTIONS, BUT LEGAL PRECEDENTS AND THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR LAW FIRM AND SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO SUE US AND THEY'LL GET AS MANY IF THEY WANT.

THIS IS NOT OVERTHROWING 2018, IT IS EXERCISING LOCAL CONTROL OF THIS.

AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF THEY APPROVE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF ZONING CONTROL OVER THAT.

NO ONE'S GOING TO READ THIS AND THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A POT STORE ON EVERY CORNER.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT AND TO PULL OFF THE SURVEY IS TO SAY, IN MY OPINION, IS TO SAY I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK ABOUT THIS.

OUR LISTENERS DON'T KNOW ABOUT STATUTORY THRESHOLDS OR BATTLE THRESHOLDS OR SAMPLE SIZE.

THEY CAN UNDERSTAND A QUESTION LIKE THIS.

DO YOU SUPPORT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA STORES IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP? YES OR NO? IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.

IT'S A WELL CRAFTED QUESTION.

NOTHING TO DO WITH BATTLE THRESHOLDS AND STATUTORY THRESHOLDS.

YOU CAN USE ALL THE NATURAL LANGUAGE YOU WANT, BUT THAT DOESN'T GET BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING THROWING OFF THE SURVEY AND YOU REALLY HAVE NOT GIVEN US A GOOD REASON FOR TAKING IT OFF THE SURVEY.

WE NEED TO KNOW THIS ANSWER BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH OR WITHOUT THE CITIZENS INITIATIVE.

AND TO TAKE IT OFF THE SURVEY IS THE WRONG THING TO DO.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY, REALLY DARK DAY FOR THIS BOARD TO DO THIS TONIGHT.

AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE BOARD MEMBERS NOT TO TAKE THIS ACTION.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS BOARD.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT OUR CITIZENS THINK.

WELL, IN FACT, WE DO CARE.

WE ALL RAN FOR OFFICE.

WE'VE KNOCKED ON THOUSANDS OF DOORS.

YOU PROMISED TO A PROFESSIONAL BOARD, A BOARD THAT LISTENS TO ITS CITIZENS, A BOARD THAT REPRESENTS THE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, MANAGER WALSH HAS SHOWN TO ALL EMPLOYEES, WE'RE A

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BIT MORE THAN DONE WITH THINGS.

IT'S NOT BLOWING UP TONIGHT OVER THIS QUESTION, BUT YOU TAKE IT OFF THE SURVEY, YOU'RE GOING TO BLOW IT UP TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN UNDEMOCRATIC AND WRONG THING TO DO.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TREASURER DESCHAINE. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE SECOND ROUNDS OF COMMENTS? TRUSTEE JACKSON AND THEN SUPERVISOR STYKA, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THIS QUESTION HAS JUST DESTROYED OUR ORIGINAL INTENT IN AND DESIGNING AND ASKING FOR A COMMUNITY SURVEY, MUCH LIKE THE KINDS WE'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS. THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION FORCES AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVE AND ENVIRONMENT TO POLLING OUR TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS TO RE EVALUATE AND RESPOND TO HOW TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT REALLY TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT WORKS.

I DO NOT I I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE USE OF THIS SMALL SAMPLE SURVEY DESIGNED TO POLL THE RESPONSES OF OUR RESIDENTS TO ITS GOVERNMENT BEING TURNED INTO A REFERENDUM ON AN ISSUE LIKE MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN THE TOWNSHIP.

THE SALE OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.

MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS CLEARLY IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN A LONG TIME AND THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I STILL SUPPORT IT, I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT MOVING THAT, QUESTION NUMBER 34 FROM IT.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JACKSON.

SUPERVISOR STYKA? AND YOU'RE MUTED.

NO WORRIES. WE'LL GET HIM ON.

ALL RIGHT, NOW.

. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING ISN'T ALWAYS SAID.

CETERA, ET CETERA.

THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE.

DO WE WANT TO HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, SO WE CAN REATTACH IT DETAILS. WELL, IN THE REAL ESTATE PROCESSES WE'RE THE ONES THAT'S IN THE DETAILS, I CAN'T GET PAST THE THRESHOLD QUESTION.

AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS IS THAT A COMMUNITY WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH? ISN'T IT CRUDE HAVING THESE KINDS OF SHOPS.

YES OR NO? IF THE ANSWER IS YES.

WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DETAILS ABOUT ZONING DISTRICTS AND HOW MANY THERE CAN BE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. BUT THE GENERAL QUESTION IS YES OR NO.

AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY, YES, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.

THEY SAY, NO, WE THINK THAT WE HAVE TO THINK IT THROUGH TO THINK ABOUT TERMS OF WHERE ARE WE GOING. MAYBE WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE EAST LANSING, LESS LIKE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, THE AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN, MAYBE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR DETAILS.

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I'M LOOKING FOR A THAT HELPS ME TO KNOW GENERALLY AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS PREJUDICIAL IN ANY WAY.

WHAT'S REALLY CRUCIAL OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FOR A SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? TRUSTEE WISINSKI? WITHOUT GETTING BACK INTO SAMPLE SIZE AND OR THE IMPORTANCE OF DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND THE LACK OF INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS, I WILL GO BACK TO TRUSTEE JACKSON AS AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR, YOU KNOW, TOUCHED ON THIS.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CITIZEN'S SURVEY THAT COLLECTS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND TO ME, PUBLIC SAFETY OR PARKS AND PATHWAYS,IS THIS A QUESTION THAT WE WANT TO KNOW? YES.

HAS IT MADE THIS SURVEY, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMUNITY SURVEY, POLITICAL? YES. DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY AND PUT IT THROUGH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS? YES.

THAT'S WHY I AM SUPPORTING REMOVING NUMBER 34 FROM THE SURVEY.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN A SECOND TIME.

TRUSTEE SUNDLAND.

YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S KIND OF UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE COME TO ONE QUESTION AND I MEAN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMUNITY SURVEY OF ALL OF OUR SERVICES.

WE'RE JUST NARROWING IT DOWN TO ONE QUESTION AND DEBATING OVER RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE IN OR OUT.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM A COMMUNITY SURVEY OF ALL OF OUR SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY AND JUST FOCUSING IN ON ONE QUESTION.

I THINK THE QUESTION SHOULD BE REMOVED SO THAT WE GET A SURVEY OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES AND NOT JUST A POLITICAL FOCUS ON RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE SUNDLAND.

MY FINAL COMMENT WILL JUST BE THAT, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THIS QUESTION ON THE SURVEY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SEEKS TO BRING SOME KIND OF CLARITY TO AN ELECTION THAT WAS ALREADY HELD.

WE DO EXPECT THERE TO BE ANOTHER VOTE AT THE BALLOT BOX MORE SPECIFIC TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS THE PLACE FOR THAT TO OCCUR.

THE BOARD DOESN'T NEED TO PRE-POLL.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ZONINGS OVERTURNED IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE DIDN'T DO SURVEYS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE CONSTITUENTS WERE AT IN TERMS OF OVERTURNING REZONING AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PLACE FOR THE BOARD TO BE POLLING ITEMS THAT ARE SOLVED AT THE BALLOT BOX. EVERYONE'S HAD A SECOND TIME TO SPEAK.

CLERK GUTHRIE COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL ON TRUSTEE JACKSON'S MOTION TO REMOVE QUESTION THIRTY FOUR.

TRUSTEE JACKSON'S MOTION TO TAKE 34 AND HAVE THE SURVEY AS IS WAS PASSED 4-3.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

AND NOW WE HAVE THE MAIN MOTION BEFORE US AS MOVED BY TREASURER DESCHAINE.

ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THE CITIZEN SURVEY.

TREASURER DESCHAINE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER ON THE SURVEY AND WHAT HIS OPINION OF THE SURVEY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION IS AND WHAT SURVEY BECAUSE THE MANAGER HINTED THAT WITH DEPUTY MANAGER GARY I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HIS OPINION OF OUR SURVEY AND WHERE IT'S AT TODAY.

WELL, I'LL JUST STEP BACK IN HISTORY FOR A MOMENT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, TRYING NOT TO

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GET INTO YOUR DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE HAVING THIS EVENING WITH A VERY SPLIT BOARD.

THE FACT IS THAT YOU ASK QUESTIONS JUST LIKE YOU TURNED DOWN.

YOU ASK QUESTIONS LIKE THAT PLENTY OF TIMES.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I TAKE YOU BACK SIX YEARS AGO WHEN HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENTS IN STUDENT HOUSING WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU REMEMBER, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ACTUALLY PROBABLY PUT ON THE BALLOT WAS SHOULD THE COMMUNITY--I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME--BUT BASICALLY IT WAS SHOULD BE CURTAIL THE DEVELOPMENT MORE OF STUDENT HOUSING OR LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

SO YOU TOOK A BIG KEY ISSUE AT THAT TIME AND DECIDED TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

THERE'S BEEN OTHERS THAT YOU'VE DONE LIKEWISE TO.

SO REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU SEE THAT ONE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IF YOU LEFT THAT QUESTION ON, YOU'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

NOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, AND I DON'T BELIEVE TO BE COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THIS BOARD, SOME OF YOU, OR WHETHER IT WAS BEFORE.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE FORMER BOARD THAT DID THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE DID IT, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF ASKING THE QUESTIONS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE WOULD SAY THAT FEEDBACK ON PRO AND CON AND SO DO WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT OR PUTTING IT ON THE SURVEY BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT IT.

SO, IN A WAY, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TONIGHT ABOUT NOT PUTTING THAT ISSUE ON THE ON THE SURVEY BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ISSUES, STUDENT HOUSING, LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BALLOT, OR ON THE SURVEY BEFORE.

IN FACT, THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO YOUR ISSUE THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

I HAVE NO PLACE IN THAT DISCUSSION.

BUT IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE MODELED THE SURVEYS ON DIFFICULT COMMUNITY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ANY MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PAST HAS BEEN LIKE.

IN FACT, WE ALWAYS ASK ABOUT HOMTV EVERY SURVEY BECAUSE WE WANT TO DRILL DOWN ABOUT WHAT WE WERE COMMITTING TO HOMTV, HOW MUCH INFORMATION YOU GET FROM HOMTV.

AND THAT'S WHY HOMTV'S BEEN STRONG AND WHY WE'VE SUPPORTED IT BECAUSE OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE USED, THE INFORMATION FROM THE SURVEYS, ESPECIALLY THAT QUESTION ABOUT STUDENT HOUSING AND LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

WE HAVE USED THAT QUESTION TO DEVELOP PUBLIC POLICY GOING FORWARD.

OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THE MAIN MOTION WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET ON THE MAIN MOTION. TREASURER DESCHAINE.

I THINK WE'VE JOB IN LINING UP TO FOUR VOTES HERE ON THIS BOARD TO REMOVE THIS QUESTION, IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN THEM BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH IN CARING MORE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY THAN THIS VOTE SHOWS.

THIS IS AN UNDEMOCRATIC QUESTION, AND OUR CITIZENS DESERVE BETTER THAN TO TAKE A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OFF THIS SURVEY LIKE THIS.

THIS IS A REALLY BAD MOVE TO PUT THIS SURVEY OUT WITHOUT THAT QUESTION THERE, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE WE TABLE THE SURVEY UNTIL WE CAN RESOLVE THIS QUESTION.

I DON'T SEE ANY POINTS ON THE SURVEY.

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO TABLE WHICH CANNOT BE DISCUSSED.

IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MOTION TO TABLE? THERE'S NO SECOND.

OK, I WILL CONTINUE MY COMMENTS, THEN.

AGAIN, THIS BOARD IS BETTER THAN TAKING THIS QUESTION OFF THE SURVEY AND I THINK THIS BOARD WILL COME TO REGRET TAKING THIS QUESTION OFF THERE.

IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO.

WE NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY POLITICAL QUESTION ON THIS SURVEY, AS THE MANAGER POINTED OUT, BUT CHERRY PICKING THIS ONE, BECAUSE THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY HAS GOTTEN TO SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AND SAID, WE DON'T WANT THIS QUESTION ON THERE.

IF THE SUPPORT WAS AS STRONG AS YOU'VE CLAIMED IT TO BE, THAT THERE'S 61 PERCENT OF OUR CITIZENS SUPPORT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, YOU WOULD BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS QUESTION SOME ON THE BOARD HAVE DONE SURVEYS THEMSELVES.

MY GUESS THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME POLLING ON THIS DONE BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.

SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO A SURVEY TO REVEAL THAT

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SAME NUMBER. SO WHAT IS THE NUMBER? WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO SUPPORT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA? IS IT 25 PERCENT? IS IT 30 PERCENT? IT'S NOT 50 OR MORE OR I THINK THE FOUR OF YOU WOULD BE WITH YOUR HANDS UP SAYING WE SHOULD SURVEY THIS QUESTION.

IT MUST BE WELL BENEATH THE MAJORITY FOR YOU TO TAKE OFF THE CITIZEN SURVEY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO HOW OUR CITIZENS FEEL ABOUT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S A GOOD SURVEY.

AND TO TAKE THIS QUESTION OFF IS TO SAY WE AS A BOARD DON'T CARE WHAT OUR CITIZENS THINK ABOUT SOMETHING AS FUNDAMENTAL AS SIX OR MORE POT SHOPS IN OUR COMMUNITY, SIX OR MORE, PROBABLY UNLIMITED, ACCORDING TO OUR LAW FIRM.

OUR CITIZENS DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR OPINION HEARD ON THAT.

WE NEED TO KNOW IT NOW.

THIS IDEA THAT BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER, WE SHOULDN'T ASK THE QUESTION NOW IS REALLY IRRELEVANT.

WE SHOULD NOTE TODAY IT DOESN'T CHANGE NOVEMBER, IF THERE WE OWE OUR CITIZENS MORE THAN TO TAKE THIS QUESTION OFF THE SURVEY.

AND I'M REALLY, REALLY UPSET THAT THIS BOARD HAS TAKEN THIS ACTION TO REMOVE QUESTION THIRTY FOUR. IT'S JUST WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS.

IT'S WRONG, WRONG, WRONG TO NOT ASK OUR CITIZENS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. AND I'M JUST SHOCKED.

I'M REALLY SHOCKED THIS BOARD HAS DONE THIS, TO TAKE THIS POLITICAL QUESTION AND LEAVE OTHER POLITICAL QUESTIONS THERE IS WRONG.

AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD ANSWER TONIGHT AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

IT'S UNDEMOCRATIC, AND IT, TO ME, REVEALS THE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, OR YOU'D WANT THIS QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK REAL QUICK.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH BOARD MEMBER'S OPINION.

AND SO WHEN WE SAY WE HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD REASON, THAT'S AN OPINION THAT WE'RE SUBJECTING TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND WHAT THEY'RE EXPRESSING.

I THINK IT'S ALSO DIVISIVE WHEN SOME BOARD MEMBERS MAKE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MY BEST FRIENDS AND CLOSEST SUPPORTERS, HAVE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME TO REVERSE THAT PROJECT. AND I DUG IN AND HAVE MY OPINION THAT WE DON'T NEED THE DENSEST DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP OVER AT SO TO TRY TO CAST ASPERSIONS ONTO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS' VALUE SYSTEMS, THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING DIVISION ON THE BOARD ON THIS ONE ISSUE AND THIS BOARD DOES WORK COLLABORATIVELY AND WELL TOGETHER. I THINK THERE'S ALSO MISINFORMATION BEING PERPETUATED HERE BECAUSE THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THE BALLOT BOX AND CAN GO TO THE BALLOT BOX.

STUDENT HOUSING, THERE'S NO RECOURSE FOR CITIZENS TO PETITION AND PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY CAN PUT ON THE BALLOT IN A CHARTER TOWNSHIP LEGALLY IS A REZONING TO OVERTURN REZONING, LIKE SPARROW, FOR INSTANCE, THE RECENT ONE WHICH CITIZENS LOOKED INTO AND ADULT USE OF MARIJUANA AND I BELIEVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS WELL.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS LEGALLY.

NOW, IN A CHARTER CITY, THOSE CHARTERS PROVIDE FOR MANY MORE OPTIONS FOR CITIZENS.

THEY CAN PROPOSE ENTIRE ORDINANCES.

BUT THE OTHER EXAMPLES, THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO REFERENDUM GOVERNMENT OR TO ESTABLISH TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT TO PROPOSE ORDINANCES.

SO THOSE ISSUES ARE HIGHLY UNIQUE TO THIS ONE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN AT THE BALLOT BOX.

AND YOU I PERSONALLY THINK THAT VERDIAN CITIZENS WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH AN UNCAPPED NUMBER? I DO NOT BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH AN UNCAPPED NUMBER.

THE QUESTION INFERS THAT IT'S UNCAPPED.

AND THEN THERE'S BEEN THIS RECITAL OF WHAT OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE AND HAVEN'T TOLD US.

SO I'LL JUST READ FROM THE MARCH 2ND BOARD PACKET IN WHICH OUR ATTORNEY STATED, WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITIES AS AUTHORIZED, BUT ALLOW AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF RECREATIONAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA, RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA ESTABLISHMENTS WITH THE NUMBER OF ESTABLISHMENTS CONTROLLED AND CAPPED BY A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND DURING THAT DISCUSSION, THEY SAID WE COULD CAP IT AT FIVE OR SIX WHERE WE'RE ALREADY USING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

IT'S OUTLINED IN DETAIL IN THAT MARCH 2ND AMENDMENT.

SO, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO UNIT OF GOVERNMENT IN MICHIGAN THAT HAS UNLIMITED.

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LANSING HAS CAPS EAST LANSING HAS CAPS.

WHAT OUR ATTORNEYS WERE RESPONDING TO ON MARCH 2ND IN THAT WAS THREE BOARD MEMBERS WHO SAID, LOOK AT WHAT EAST LANSING DID.

THEY CONTROLLED IT THROUGH ZONING ORDINANCE AND IT WAS QUITE BRILLIANT AND THEY DIDN'T GET SUED. SO THE ASPERSION THAT EVERYONE GETS LITIGATION, WE GET LITIGATION OVER DEVELOPMENT ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO LITIGATE KROGER OR MANAGER OR ANY NUMBER OF THE BIG BOX RETAILERS, JUST APPEALING THE PROPERTY TAXES WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO TAKE MUCH FURTHER ALONG IN THE COURT.

SO, AGAIN, THIS ISSUE IS UNIQUE TO THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO IMPACT BY INITIATIVE PETITION.

THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY A MILLAGE, HOMTV IS NOT CONTROLLED BY A MILLAGE THAT THEY CAN VOTE UP OR DOWN. SO THIS ISSUE IS UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD AND WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED ON IT.

AND SO TO SEEK TO DO A SURVEY OF A LIMITED SAMPLE SIZE WITH A SKEWED QUESTION DOES SEEK TO DRAW A DOUBT AND CAST DOUBT ON AN ELECTION.

I THINK THAT'S THE UNDEMOCRATIC THING AND THAT'S THE LAST I'M GOING TO SAY ON THIS ISSUE.

AND SUPERVISOR STYKA HAS HIS HAND UP AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CLERK GUTHRIE.

PUT IT OUT THERE WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S THE NATURE OF BEING A BOARD MEMBER.

YOU LOSE SOME, YOU WIN SOME AND YES, YOU HAVE ALL KINDS OF I SAY WE SHOULD MOVE ON AND VOTE ON THE SURVEY, CALL THE QUESTION.

THE SUPERVISOR CALLED THE QUESTION, SO DEBATE AND FURTHER DISCUSSION IS NOT ALLOWED.

CLERK GUTHRIE COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL.

WE NEED A VOTE ON THE CALLING OF THE QUESTION.

I'M SORRY, DOES SOMEONE SUPPORT, ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS SUPPORT FOR CALLING A QUESTION.

AS LONG AS ONE BOARD MEMBER CALLS THE QUESTION, ALL DISCUSSION IS CUT OFF.

THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR. CLERK GUTHRIE, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL ON THE MAIN MOTION? MOTION CARRIES 6-1.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

WE NOW MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM NUMBER 12B, THE DANIELS DRAIN FULL DISCLOSURE CERTIFICATE

[12B. Daniels Drain- Full Disclosure Certificate]

DEPUTY MANAGER PERRY, CAN YOU INTRODUCE THIS ITEM? ABSOLUTELY GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN BEFORE, NOT TOO LONG AGO WAS IN REFERENCE ACTUALLY TO THE NEMOKA DRAIN.

TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S A LARGE TRAIN PROJECT IN THE TOWNSHIP WE'RE ASKED, WERE QUESTIONED BY THE INGHAM COUNTY DRAIN COMMISSIONER TO DO A FULL DISCLOSURE CERTIFICATE, ESSENTIALLY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO AFTER PUBLIC BONDING, WHICH IN TURN ALLOWS THE LOWEST INTEREST RATES, WHICH AT THE END OF THE DAY BENEFITS OUR RESIDENTS.

THIS IS A PROJECT, DANIELS DRAIN, THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IN 2015.

THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE DRAIN ITSELF, THE POND, WALDEN POND.

IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED ON GRAND RIVER BETWEEN CORNELL AND DOBIE ROAD TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S WHERE IT WAS THE POND ISSUE WAS.

AND THOSE RESIDENTS WERE THE ONES THAT BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

AND AGAIN, IN 2016, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD WAS CONVINCED THERE WAS A PROBLEM.

TOOK THAT PETITION TO THE INGHAM COUNTY DRAIN COMMISSIONER, WHICH THEN ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING.

THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. THEY ACTUALLY WILL BE BIDDING THIS PROJECT THIS SUMMER WITHIN THE NEXT 30 TO 45 DAYS.

AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, AGAIN, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT FROM TOWNSHIP BOARD TO HELP PURSUE THOSE LOW INTEREST BONDS.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MANAGER PERRY.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?

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DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M SORRY, MR. SUPERVISOR, DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

OK, THANK YOU. SUPPORT.

MOVE TO SUPPORT AND EXECUTE THE RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND DANIELS DRAIN DRAINAGE DISTRICT BOND AS PRESENTED.

SUPPORT.

SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON.

FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. SUPERVISOR? THE SUPERVISOR HAS FURTHER DISCUSSION.

TRUSTEE JACKSON AS THE SECONDER? YES, I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT APPARENTLY WE DO THIS A LOT AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING NEW IN THE PROCESS.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DRAIN.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE. I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JACKSON.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE DANIELS DRAIN CERTIFICATE.

MOTION CARRIES 7-0.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

WE DID HAVE MANAGER WALSH REVIEW ROBERT'S RULES FOR US.

[12A. Citizen’s Survey Draft (Part 2 of 2)]

SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE DID HAVE A SIX TO ONE VOTE ON ACTION ITEM 12A AND IN THE EVENT THAT THE VOTE IS NOT UNANIMOUS, YOU DO NEED A SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.

SEEMS DIFFICULT WHEN IT'S RETROACTIVE AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE ROLL CALL HEADING INTO IT.

BUT WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A RECONSIDERATION VOTE OF 12A.

I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO REAPPROVE THE CITIZENS SURVEY DRAFT AS AMENDED.

AFTER CLARIFICATION, WE ARE JUST GOING TO MOVE ON WITH THE VOTE AS ROLL CALL ON 12A.

SO, THE CONFUSION IN QUESTION WAS ON THE CALLING OF THE QUESTION, NOT THE ACTUAL MOTION THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ONTO ITEM 13A.

[13A. Pathway Master Plan Update]

THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WHICH WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON EARLIER THIS EVENING.

AND DEPUTY MANAGER PERRY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD OR SHOULD WE GO INTO BOARD MEMBER DISCUSSION? I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONALLY TO ADD.

SO, AGAIN, I'M JUST HERE TO TAKE IN THE COMMENTS.

WERE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ABLE TO ACCESS THE MAP? I KNOW I HAD SOME TROUBLE.

TREASURER DESCHAINE.

QUESTION DEPUTY MANAGER, PERRY, THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR A NORTH SOUTH PATHWAY BETWEEN HASLETT ROAD AND GRAND RIVER AND MANY TIMES WE TALK ABOUT CORNELL ROAD BEING MAPPED, BUT THAT POSES LOTS OF CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF HOW HEAVILY WOODED THAT IS.

COULD YOU TALK ABOUT MORE THERE AS A NORTH-SOUTH PATHWAY FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

ABSOLUTELY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT CIRCLE FIVE AND SIX, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO ADD IN THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THE CONSUMER'S ENERGY HASLETT TO GRAND RIVER CONNECTOR.

AS THE TREASURER ALLUDED TO, CORNELL CREATES SOME DIFFICULTIES TRYING TO CREATE EVEN A PAVED SHOULDER IN THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY AND THE TREE PRESERVATION THAT THE TOWNSHIP PURSUED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

SO AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE UTILIZE THE CONSUMER'S ENERGY RIGHT OF

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WAY. WE WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THEM IF IT'S ADDED TO THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN. BUT WE THINK THAT WOULD CREATE A NICE NORTH-SOUTH ALTERNATIVE TO CORNELL ROAD.

WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS SECURING THOSE LICENSE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM.

THEY TYPICALLY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE FOR A PUBLIC GOOD AND IT DOES ALLOW US TO SECURE A NICE, CLEAN, LONG LINE VERSUS TRYING TO SECURE INDIVIDUAL EASEMENTS ALONG LET'S SAY, A ROAD CORRIDOR. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE THESE WITH CONSUMERS ENERGY.

WE LIKE TO DO THOSE JUST BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE EASIER ON US AS FAR AS TRYING TO CONNECT PATHWAYS, POINTS A'S AND B'S, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, TREASURER DESCHAINE.

OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD.

CLERK GUTHRIE.

SO DID I HEAR YOU JUST SAY THAT IS THE ALTERNATE PATH TO PAVING CORNELL ROAD? WELL, CORNELL ROAD IS STILL ON THE MASTER PLAN.

IT'S BEEN ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

IT'S JUST ALWAYS CREATED DIFFICULTIES FOR US REALLY TRYING TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THAT PATHWAY BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY AND THE DIFFICULTIES OF DOING THAT.

SOMETIMES IF THERE'S A WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THOSE PATHWAYS FAIRLY EASILY.

SOMETIMES THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE ISSUES SECURING THOSE EASEMENTS IF WE NEED THEM, IF WE GOT TO CONSTRUCT IT OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

CORNELL JUST PROVIDES A LOT OF CHALLENGES FOR US.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY PRESERVING THAT ROAD CORRIDOR AND MADE SURE THAT TREES WEREN'T ELIMINATED WHEN THE COUNTY PAVED I THINK IN 2014 OR 15.

SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE TRADE OFFS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE TREES TIGHTER TO THE ROAD, IT JUST CREATES DIFFICULTIES CREATING PATHWAYS. SO INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING OUR HANDS UP, WE SAID, IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR US TO FIND A NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR IN THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE TOWNSHIP? AND THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED LOOKING AT THAT UTILITY CORRIDOR, SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL WITH US AND WE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE PLAN.

SO WOULD WE SEE THE POTENTIAL PATHWAY IN CORNELL ROAD COME OFF OF THE MASTER PLAN IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE ONCE WE'VE SECURED THAT, IDENTIFIED THE FUNDING AND ACTUALLY ARE READY TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T RECOMMEND REMOVALS UNLESS THERE'S A REAL STRONG SENTIMENT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FUTURE MASTER PLAN.

WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE MAY OCCUR IN TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED BY THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE AN ENTIRE CHANGE, DECLINE OF THE TREES OR SOMETHING.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING DRIVING REMOVING IT AT THIS POINT.

BUT I WOULD SAY IN THE FUTURE, IF WE CONSTRUCT THE PATHWAY ALONG CONSUMERS ENERGY CORRIDOR, THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A NEED ANYMORE.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT COULD BE REMOVED AT THAT TIME.

WOULD IT BE A PAVED PATHWAY ON THAT CONSUMERS CORRIDOR? THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE ACTUALLY WERE TO CONSTRUCT THE PATHWAY.

TYPICALLY, OUR PATHWAY SYSTEM IS SEVEN FEET WIDE, ALTHOUGH WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THE 10 FOOT WIDE JUST BECAUSE OF STATE DOLLARS, FEDERAL DOLLARS, THEY ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT WE DO A MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT WIDE.

SO A LOT OF OUR PATHWAYS AS WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THOSE, IF WE'RE USING GRANT DOLLARS, THAT THEY'RE BECOMING NATURALLY WIDER.

YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BIKERS ON THAT ROAD.

HAVE YOU HEARD FROM RESIDENTS OR USERS OF CORNELL ROAD ABOUT WHAT THEY LIVE.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED OPINIONS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO RIDE ALONG CORNELL ROAD BECAUSE IT IS THE NATURAL BEAUTY ROAD AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO DRIVE ON OR TO BIKE OR RUN.

AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THERE.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE? THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE A PATHWAY IN THAT EASTERN PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP, BUT PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TRIED TO WALK IT.

IN FACT, I'M ONE OF THEM.

YOU REALLY ARE.

IT'S JUST NOT DESIRABLE.

IN FACT, IT'S JUST SO NARROW.

THERE ISN'T EVEN A NICE, THE PAVED SHOULDER ISN'T EVEN WIDE ENOUGH.

YOU'RE JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WALKING ALONG CORNELL ROAD.

SO IT REALLY ISN'T VIABLE AT THIS TIME.

I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.

SPEAKING OF VIABLE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THE INDIAN HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD CALL ME AND ASKED ME, IS THAT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN? I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY NOT.

BUT THEN I SAW ON THE MAP TONIGHT.

IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE WHAT I CALL THE HISTORICAL GAPS IT'S BEEN ON THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN FOR SEVERAL ROUNDS.

IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE HAVE TO GO LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT THESE PATHWAYS.

WE'VE GOT TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY IS INVOLVED WITH TRYING TO SECURE SOME OF THESE EASEMENTS. IF WE CAN CONSTRUCT THE PATHWAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S FAIRLY

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EASY. IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO SECURE EASEMENTS IF SOMEONE PUSHES BACK, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IT'S THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO WE HAVE TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THE COMMUNITY SAYS WE REALLY WANT THIS PATHWAY AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL SECURING THOSE EASEMENTS.

BUT AGAIN, THAT PORTION OF MT HOPE WOULD REMAIN ON THE PATHWAY UNTIL WE FIND IT, AGAIN, VIABLE FOR US TO PROCEED WITH IT.

THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE ONE, RIGHT.

AS IT DROPS OFF, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND RIGHT THERE.

TOPOGRAPHY CAN MAKE A LOT OF THESE VERY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE TO DO.

THEY'RE NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THOSE HISTORICAL GAPS ARE JUST FOR THOSE REASONS.

EITHER WE RAN INTO A WALL SECURING AN EASEMENT OR THE TOPOGRAPHY JUST MADE IT NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.

AND THE ONES THAT I SEE ALONG THE 425 AGREEMENTS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE 425 AGREEMENTS ARE DONE WITH THESE PATHWAYS, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE BUILT FOR LONG AND INSIDE THESE AGREEMENTS? WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL 425 AGREEMENTS AND SEE HOW THEY'RE SET UP, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON HOW THE UTILITIES, IF THEY EVER REVERT, SOMETIMES THEY NEVER DO, THE TOWNSHIP, JUST BASICALLY NO LONGER RECEIVES THE MILLAGE PORTION THAT THEY'RE GETTING OUT THOSE 425S.

THEY ACTUALLY STAY WITH THE OTHER JURISDICTION.

BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN LIKE AT THE COSTCO AREA, YOU'LL NOTICE THOSE ARE IN GREEN AND THOSE ACTUALLY INDICATE THAT THOSE ARE THE CITY OF LANSING'S PATHWAYS.

SO, AGAIN, WE INCLUDE IT ON OUR MAP TO SHOW THE CONNECTIVITY.

BUT WE ACTUALLY THEY'RE NOT PART OF OUR PATHWAY SYSTEM.

IS THAT THE SAME WITH COLLEGE FIELDS? WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FUTURE PATHWAYS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET.

AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS.

A NUMBER SEVEN, WE'RE ENCOURAGING THAT GET INCLUDED BECAUSE THAT MAY CREATE A CONNECTION THROUGH THE CREATE A LOOP AROUND THAT CITY OF LANSING 425 AGREEMENT.

I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

THE CROSS-COUNTRY TRAILS THAT I SAW THERE, DO YOU HAVE TO GET EASEMENTS AND WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS TO GET THAT? WE DO, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE ON THERE THOUGH IS WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES FORWARD, WE MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT TYPICALLY, IF IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN AS A CONDITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THAT PATHWAY OR PAY MONEY IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CONSTRUCT IT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONNECT ANY GAPS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO HAVE SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED ON THE MASTER PLAN TOO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

TRUSTEE JACKSON AND THEN TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

YES, MR. UM--JUST CALL ME DEREK--PERRY. SO THIS IS THE SCHEDULE.

THIS REPRESENTS THE SCHEDULED MASTERPLAN UPDATE FOR THE PATHWAY PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE INDICATED AND PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE PLAN FOR UP TO 2024.

IS THAT CORRECT. I SHOULD STIPULATE THAT ONCE THEY'RE ON THE PLAN, THEY TYPICALLY DON'T COME OFF. OK, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE FIVE YEAR PLAN IS OVER.

WE START FROM SCRATCH.

THERE BASICALLY WILL BE LIVE ON HERE UNTIL THE BOARD SAYS NO, WE DON'T WANT LOOK AT THAT ANYMORE. OK, AND THEN IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO UPGRADE IT SO THAT YOU'RE PLANNING OUT TO 2026 AND OK.

SO NOW MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S NEXT? SO YOU TALK TO ALL OF THESE GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS AND GOTTEN INPUT.

YOU'VE HAD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS GOES BACK TO PARKS? ACTUALLY AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING, WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY MORE INPUT, BASICALLY, YOU'LL SEE THIS AGAIN AT YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING AND WE'LL REQUEST AT YOUR ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN AS PRESENTED.

AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP ON OUR WALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, AS WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING PATHWAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAPPEN.

OK, KIND OF A SIDE QUESTION, DOES THIS GET ADDED TO THE MASTER PLAN? IS IT ADOPTED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.

I BELIEVE THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES, YES, THERE IS A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PATHWAY PROBABLY IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF IT.

WELL, I THINK THE LAST THING FOR US TO DO IS TO SAY I LIKE IT.

I'M IMPRESSED. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT AGAIN WITH FULL BOARD APPROVAL.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JACKSON.

TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

I DO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I GAPS ARE AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS AN CONTIGUOUS AND SUFFICIENT PATHWAY? I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.

ONE QUESTION REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND WE DID HAVE ONE EMAIL INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET THAT HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS.

SO PEOPLE MAKE SUGGESTIONS YOUR FINAL PLAN.

SO DEPENDING ON HOW OFTEN WE HEAR FROM INDIVIDUALS, WE KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF, OK, WE'VE HAD, LET'S SAY HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE SAY WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ON GREEN ROAD.

I THINK THAT ACTUALLY MR. SO HE ACTUALLY VISITS US SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE PATHWAY. HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, THAT AND LAKE LANSING.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL KIND OF MAKE NOTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO SAY, OK, THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENHANCED, CONNECTED, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO WE BASICALLY WE JUST KEEP A FILE ON THOSE FROM THE CITIZENS COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. A LOT OF TIMES ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE ARE IS IS SIMILAR TO THE COMMENT THE CLERK RECEIVED IS LIKE, OK, THE GAPS ON THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT OUT? AND THAT REALLY LED US TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT AND HAVE MORE OF THAT SHORT TERM PLAN.

SO THAT ALLOWS US THAT PEOPLE CALL IN OR EMAIL US.

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.

HERE'S THE LONG RANGE PLAN.

BUT HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

AND WHAT I'M REALLY HOPING FOR IS ONCE WE FINISH UP THE MSU TO LAKE LANSING PATHWAY, REALLY BE ABLE TO HIT SOME OF THESE HISTORICAL GAPS AND GET THOSE CLOSED.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE HEAR YOUR EXPLANATION AND OR OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT EXPLANATION ON SOME OF THOSE PATHWAYS THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE IDEAL CORNELL ROAD, BUT THE ENGINEERING ON WHY THAT CAN'T BE SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING AND WHAT WOULD BE MOST FEASIBLE FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSSION ON PATHWAY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

NOT SEEING ANY.

MR. PERRY I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH FOR GAPS, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WETLAND EXPLANATION, BUT ON NEWTON ROAD AT THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE TOWNSHIP, AND THE COUNTY BOUNDARY, WE DO HAVE A PATHWAY BUILT THERE.

I THINK IT SHOWS CORRECT, THE DEVELOPER ESSENTIALLY BUILT THAT PATHWAY BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE MASTER PLAN.

YEAH, AND IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A WETLAND TO THE NORTH.

SO WE'RE DOING PAVED SHOULDER TO THE NORTH.

BUT WE STOPPED THE PATHWAY DEAD IN ITS TRACKS ON THE MASTER PLAN.

I'M GUESSING THAT TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO THE NORTH.

I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP GOOGLE EARTH, BUT I GUESS JUST FLAGGING IT PERHAPS TO LOOK AT THAT WAS JUST A GAP THAT KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME.

IT'S A NO MAN'S LAND.

THAT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY REFERENCING, WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN 2025.

WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO FINISH UP THAT GAP THERE THAT EXISTS.

IN SOME RESPECTS, THEY ARE KIND OF ISOLATED FROM THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

SO THAT'S JUST NORTH OF LAKE LANSING ROAD AND PARK LAKE ROAD.

AGAIN, THAT'S A WETLAND.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME ENGINEERING AND SOME EXPENSE.

BUT WE THINK THAT MAKES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO TRY TO GET THEM TIED IN THE OVERALL SYSTEM. OK, I'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE.

YEAH, THE BOARDWALK THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE WETLANDS ALONG PARKWAY.

IS THAT THE GAP THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH.

I JUST NOTICED THAT ONE STUB JUST KIND OF BOUNDARY, BUT I KNOW WE STRUGGLE ON OUR NORTH SIDE AND OUR SOUTH SIDE OUR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THAT WORK AT LEAST THROUGH THE AREA IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL AREAS.

THEY DON'T REALLY KIND OF CONTINUE THAT PLANNING.

BUT JUST SOMETHING TO NOTE.

IN THE PAST, WE HAVE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHY WE TRIED THAT KIND OF COMPLETE THAT SAGINAW CORRIDOR THERE WHENEVER MDOT'S DOING SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT UP THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE SOME CONNECTIONS THERE. SO ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS ALONG THERE, TOO, SEEMS TO BE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO VISIT THOSE STORES.

THE ONLY OTHER ONE I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE BOARD,

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ACTUALLY NOT LISTED IN THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN.

SO WE DIDN'T PUT THAT ONE IN THAT ONE COULD HAVE A PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPER WHERE THE DEVELOPER WOULD THEN HAVE TO PUT IT IN.

SO ONE OF THOSE TIMELY ONES FOR GETTING IT IN FOR A PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK DEPUTY MANGER PERRY AND ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT SPENT TIME ON THIS. IT'S ONLY JULY AND WE'VE GOT IT UPDATED HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW ONTO AGENDA ITEM 13B SMART ZONE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT FINANCE

[13B. SmartZone Local Development Finance Authority]

AUTHORITY, WHICH IS ON THE PROGRESS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU ALL. SO I BELIEVE WE HAD THIS INITIAL DISCUSSION IN APRIL.

MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN APPROACHED AND HAS HAD A FEW INTRODUCTORY MEETINGS AND NOW KIND OF SITS AS AN ATTENDEE TO THE MONTHLY LOCAL DEVELOPMENT FINANCE AUTHORITY.

THAT IS A TAX FINANCE AUTHORITY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITIES OF LANSING IN EAST LANSING.

ESTABLISHED IN THE EARLY 2000S.

IT'S A FIVE YEAR TAX AUTHORITY PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE REESTABLISHED EACH FIVE YEARS IN AN ATTEMPT TO GROW AND DEVELOP THE SMART ZONE, WHICH FOCUSES ON INDUSTRIAL AND BIG IMPACT TO TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT BASED BUSINESSES.

IT HAS BEEN THE MAIN SUPPORT FOR THE THROUGH THEIR VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT THEY HOLD WITH THE BAND CAMP AND OTHER REGIONAL INCUBATOR BUSINESSES.

ONE SUCCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME IS THAT HIGH CALIBER WAS A STUDENT AND ESSENTIALLY GRADUATED OUT OF THAT TECH PROGRAM AND NOW HAS ITS BUSINESS HERE AND IS ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS FOR ENTERTAINMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WHEN APPROACHED BY THE LDFA TO BE ENTERED INTO THIS PROGRAM, IT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCENTRATING ON DAWN AVENUE AND TOWNER AVENUE WHERE INDUSTRIAL PARCELS ARE, WHERE WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD SPUR AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN DEVELOP SPUR. MILLION DOLLARS IN THE ADVANCED SOLUTIONS BUILDING DOWN IN AVENUE, AS WELL AS YOU'VE SEEN OCCUPANCY FOR THE BANDCAMP BUILDING STAY AT JUST ABOUT 90 PERCENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EVEN DURING COVID.

WE JUST SEE THAT AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN A REALLY TIGHT ZONING CATEGORY.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDUSTRIAL ZONE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY THUS FAR.

SO THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD ENTER INTO THE SMART ZONE. IT WOULD FALL 11 PROPERTIES ON DAWN AVENUE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S NINE PROPERTIES ON TOWNER AVENUE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE SMART ZONE.

THE QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED SINCE THE DAWN AVENUE PROPERTIES DO FALL WITHIN THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE COMPETING TAX AUTHORITIES. BUT SINCE THE WOULD JUSTIFY HAVING DAWN AVENUE INCLUDED, AND AGAIN, IT'S FIVE YEARS, SO ANY TIME THE TOWNSHIP COULD ELECT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE LDFA, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S CAPTURED IS THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND UTILIZING ON THOSE PARCELS, EITHER ON DAWN OR TOWNER.

IT'S GOING TO OPERATE VERY SIMILARLY LIKE OUR DDA OR ANY OTHER TAX AUTHORITY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE FUNDS FOR THAT DISTRICT THAT'S CREATED FROM THAT DISTRICT TO SUPPORT JOB RETENTION SEMINARS, INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD OUTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING.

I WANT TO BRING THEM ON UP, JOE CARR, THE DIRECTOR AND EXECUTIVE INNOVATION DIRECTOR FOR THE LDFA.

AND HE ALSO HELPS TO MANAGE THE LDFA BOARD, WHICH HAS MEMBERS FROM THE CITY OF LANSING AND EAST LANSING SITTING ON AND LEAP SITTING ON IT.

AS OF NOW, IF THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS INTERESTED IN BEING A PART OF THE LDFA, WE WOULD NEED A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HAVE TRUSTEE JACKSON AS SHE IS THE LEAP LIAISON.

AND SINCE IT IS A PROGRAM THAT IS HEAVILY COORDINATED WITH LEAP AND MANAGES THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SMART ZONE, THAT MAY BE A GREAT WAY TO HAVE OUR LIAISON WORK IN THAT CAPACITY. INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IS THE DRAFT OF THAT, THE DRAFT PLAN BETWEEN ALL THREE ENTITIES.

THE STEPS FORWARD WOULD BE FOR MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP TO ACCEPT A AND PROPOSE THE RESOLUTION TO BE ACCEPTED INTO THE SMART ZONE.

THE AGREEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BETWEEN ALL THREE COMMUNITIES.

SO IT'S AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LANSING, EAST LANSING AND MERIDIAN

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TOWNSHIP, ONTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSING AND HOW WE ARE ALL GOING TO TAKE ON THIS TIF AS WELL AS THERE'S A SUGGESTION IN THAT PLAN TO CREATE A RISING TIDE FUND.

PREVIOUSLY, THE ENTITIES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TOOK 100 PERCENT OF THE CAPTURE THAT WAS CREATED IN THEIR MUNICIPALITIES.

SO IF WE WERE USING DAWN AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THE FIVE YEARS, MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.

IT IS AT THIS TIME PROPOSED THAT THE COMMUNITIES DO A 90 PERCENT 10 SPLIT WHERE 10 PERCENT OF THE FUNDS CAPTURED GO INTO A RISING TIDE TO BE USED ACROSS ALL THREE MUNICIPALITIES. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN CAPTURED SINCE THE START OF THE SMART ZONE, YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF ACTIVITY COMES FROM THE CITY OF EAST LANSING. AND THEY'VE HAD MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS, HAS TAKEN THIS FUND FROM ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND IN AVAILABLE CAPTURE.

SO THE CONVERSATION NOW IS THE COMMUNITY'S MAIN WANT TO CREATE A FUND WHERE ALL THREE, INCLUDING THE CITY OF LANSING, EAST LANSING AND MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, WOULD BE ABLE TO SPREAD THIS 10 PERCENT FOR BUSINESS RETENTION, BUILD OUTS AND ANY OTHER PROGRAMS WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO SUPPORT THE RISE OF THE ENTIRE LDFA.

I THINK I'VE KIND OF GONE OVER THE HIGH NOTES OF THIS AND LET THE BOARD START TO ASK QUESTIONS. OR ACTUALLY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO INTRODUCE, MR. CARR? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS.

DON'T EVERYONE GO AT ONCE BETWEEN LANSING, EAST LANSING, AND MERIDIAN THAT THE TIF OR THE CAPTURED COULD BE SPREAD AMONGST ALL THREE COMMUNITIES? IS THAT ACCURATE? THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS THAT MOVING FORWARD, THE THREE ENTITIES WOULD AGREE TO A 90/10 PERCENT SPLIT.

SO 90 PERCENT OF THE FUNDS CAPTURED FROM THE ELIGIBLE PARCELS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES WOULD STAY WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS IN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE 10 PERCENT WOULD BE A SHARE ACROSS ALL THREE. THANK YOU, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEE WISINSKI TREASURER DESCHAINE.

THANK YOU. SO ON PAGE 133 OF OUR PACKET, WE SEE THE ESTIMATES OF TAXABLE VALUE CAPTURED AN ASSESSED VALUE, 2022-26.

LOOKING AT THE 2022 ESTIMATE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND A CAPTURED VALUE OF FORTY FOUR THOUSAND TWO FIFTY FOUR.

CORRECT. SO WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN, 40000, THAT WOULD STAY IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP AND 4000 WOULD GO INTO THE REGIONAL POOL.

MOVING TO 2026, CAPTURED TAXABLE VALUE OF NEARLY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS, FOUR HUNDRED AND TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN CAPTURED MONEY.

SO 360 WOULD STAY HERE, 40 WOULD GO INTO THE REGIONAL POOL.

IT'S THE GENERAL IDEA, YES.

AND THE QUESTION FOR OUR GUEST, THE CITY OF LANSING SHOWS NO CAPTURED VALUE ONTO 2026.

I GUESS I'M JUST, MEANWHILE EAST LANSING GROWS FROM 31 MILLION TO 36 MILLION.

IS THE CITY OF LANSING OPTING OUT? WHY SO LITTLE PARTICIPATION THERE? FROM THE CITY OF LANSING, THIS ENTITY WAS FORMED AROUND THE YEAR 2007.

SO PROPERTY VALUES WERE AT THAT HIGH LEVEL BEFORE THE HOUSING MARKET CRASH.

PROPERTY VALUES DECLINED.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY UNDERWATER.

SO THERE IS NO REVENUE TO BE CAPTURED AT THIS TIME.

HOWEVER, WITH THAT DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING, BUT IT'S HARD TO ANTICIPATE WHAT LEVEL THERE IS.

SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING TO THE MEDC FOR THEIR APPROVAL ULTIMATELY, WE FELT THAT WAS THE SAFEST JUST TO DECLARE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CAPTURE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS GENERATING REVENUE AT THIS TIME.

ARE THERE ADDITIONAL MEDC MONIES THAT ARE YEAH, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BY BEING A SMART ZONE, WHICH IS AVAILABLE REGIONALLY.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF WHICH IS THE BUSINESS ACCELERATOR FUND, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR REGION IS VERY GOOD AT.

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WE'VE SECURED SEVERAL AWARDS FOR THIS PROGRAM.

ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU IMAGINE THERE'S A RESEARCHER OR TECHNOLOGY BEING DEVELOPED AT MSU, FOR EXAMPLE, A COMPANY CAN APPLY FOR FILING A PATENT.

AND THE BAF PROGRAM WILL PAY FOR THAT SERVICE FOR THAT COMPANY.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THOSE FOR OUR CLIENTS WITHIN THIS REGION.

AND LASTLY, WHERE IS THE SMART ZONE REGION IN THE CITY OF EAST LANSING? OR REGIONS IF THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE.

IT COVERS THEIR DDA DISTRICT.

SO IT'S PRIMARILY THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND HOW DO THEY RESOLVE THE ISSUE BETWEEN COMPETING TAX CAPTURES, THE DDA TAX CAPTURE AND NOW THE SMART ZONE CAPTURE? I BELIEVE THE DDA IS PRIORITIZED OVER THE LDFA CAPTURE.

DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH EAST LANSING IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LDA THEN? THE CURRENT BUDGET, I BELIEVE FOR THIS YEAR IS, I BELIEVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND IN REVENUE TO THE LDFA.

OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TREASURER DESCHAINE.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS.

NOT SEEING ANY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE REVENUE TO THE CITY OF EAST LANSING THIS YEAR WAS ONLY, DID YOU MEAN THE 10 PERCENT HYPOTHETICAL THAT WOULD BYPASS THE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? THE CAPTURED VALUE IS 36 OR 32 MILLION.

SO THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THE REVENUE.

YES, SO OUR OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE LDFA THIS YEAR WITH ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE REVENUE COMING FROM EAST LANSING IS APPROXIMATELY 450000.

SO THAT'S NOT THE CAPTURED VALUE, BUT THE REVENUE FROM THAT TOTAL--THE ADMINISTRATIVE KIND OF OVERHEAD FOR RUNNING THE LDFA.

YEAH, PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THE 90/10 SPLIT EXISTS YET.

I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR THE GROWTH IS TAKING A LOOK AT HOW SUCCESSFUL CERTAIN REGIONS OF THE SMART ZONE SO, DIRECTOR CLARK, HAVE WE STUDIED THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN EAST LANSING? I'M GUESSING A LOT OF THE CAPTURE'S COMING FROM THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED, THE HIGH RISE DOWNTOWN? ABSOLUTELY, YEAH, SO IN 2019, THE FUND FROM THE LDFA REACHED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THE NEXT TWO YEARS, IT DOUBLED DUE TO THOSE BUILDINGS BEING COMPLETED.

SO THAT IS THE ANTICIPATION AS WE SEE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN. I THINK FOR THE CITY OF LANSING.

THEY DID IT, ASSUME THE LARGE MCLAREN WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS IN THEIR FUTURE EXPECTATIONS. WHEN WE CREATED THE LDFA AND NOW WITH IT NOT BEING A TAXABLE ELEMENT, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FUTURE.

BUT YEAH. OK, SO EAST LANSING KIND OF USES IT TO AUGMENT THEIR DDA AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AGING INFRASTRUCTURE DOWN THERE.

THEY HAVE DECOUPLING OF THE STORM WATER SEWER SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE SOME UNIQUE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

SO I CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE USING IT AS A UTILITY.

I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE AND THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE FIRST DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON THIS; I'M STILL TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT WOULD WE SEE UTILIZING THE TAX CAPTURE FOR IN THE DAWN AREA OR THE TOWNER ROAD AND SAGINAW HIGHWAY AREA.

THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFERENT.

YEAH, WE HAVE TWO RESPECTIVE AREAS THAT HAVE THEIR UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.

BUT WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENTS WOULD WE MAKE WITH THE CAPTURE IN THOSE AREAS.

RIGHT. I WOULD AGREE.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE APPROACH TO BOTH AREAS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

I WOULD THINK SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT TOWNER WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO LIKE WATER CONNECTIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF HOOKUPS.

I TALKED TO SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OVER THERE, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY DONE A LOT OF INVESTMENT TO MAKE THE PROPERTY VIABLE FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEW LARGE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE OTHERS HAVE KIND OF THEY HAVEN'T WORKED WITH THE TOWNSHIP OR AND SO THAT I COULD SEE HAPPENING ON TOWNER ROAD.

WHEREAS DAWN AVENUE, I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD FOCUS ON BUSINESS RETENTION AND ATTRACTING MORE TENANTS AND HELPING ELLISON AND MAYBE EVEN BANDCAMP, ELEVATE THEMSELVES AND MAYBE DO ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDOUTS ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO KIND OF LOOKING AT IT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE INDUSTRIAL ON TOWNER ROAD AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A VALUE INCREASE.

WE COULD USE THOSE PARCELS AND MAYBE ENTICE SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, MAYBE GET SOME CHANGE OVER AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DON'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR OWN, THAT MAYBE THEY'D BE INTERESTED MAYBE IN

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SELLING OR THEY YOU KNOW, WE SEE ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GOING UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S LABELED SMART ZONE.

ARE SOME OF THOSE PARCELS YES, FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OVER THERE TODAY, THEY YEARS AGO INVESTED IN THEIR PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE CAPABLE FOR THEM TO DO THE PROJECT THEY HAD PLANNED IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND IT'S QUITE A LARGE PROJECT.

SO I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND I MEAN. RIGHT, RIGHT.

OK, I HAD NEVER CONTEMPLATED THAT IS THE IS THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF THE TRIANGLE? YES, IT IS INCLUDED WITH THE SMART ZONE.

IT'S VERY SMALL. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY COULD BE DEVELOPED, BUT MAYBE IT COULD BE INCLUDED INTO ANOTHER PARCEL AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LARGER ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

BUT YEAH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY OVER THERE.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT A PROPERTY OWNER OVER THERE IS GOING TO BE DOING ACTIVITY AND CAPTURE IT. WE WOULD HAVE IT.

IF WE LEAVE THE SMART ZONE IN FIVE YEARS, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT CAPTURE AS WELL AS THE OTHER THINGS, SO EVEN IF WE DECIDE WHATEVER IS RAISED AS FAR AS THE FUND, WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE IT. IS MR. FILIPICH LOOKING AT SPECIFIC USES OR HAVE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WITH BUILDING AND TO BE ALLOWED TO EXTEND THE MESSAGES OF THE CAPTURE.

HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. FILIPICH AND MERIDIAN LONG RANGE PLANS OR, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HE LIKE TO UTILIZE CAPTURE FOR IF HE IS INTERESTED.

YES, WE TALKED TODAY.

AND SO REALLY THE CONVERSATION WAS WHAT COULD HE USE IT FOR? AND WHEN WE TALK PHASE TWO OF HIS PLAN, I COULD SEE THE LDFA, BEING A REALLY GOOD PARTNER IN THAT. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO TAKE HIS BUSINESS TO A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A NEW LEG AND TO OFFER SOME MORE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR HIS CUSTOMERS.

AND SO I CAN SEE AS BEING A PART OF MAYBE A SECOND BUILDOUT BECAUSE HIS PLANS ORIGINALLY WERE QUITE LARGE. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS.

NOT SEEING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OK.

I THINK YOUR NEXT STEPS ON THIS ONE.

I DO SEE THAT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE PACKET.

DON'T KNOW HOW I DO THIS, BUT WHAT ARE THE SENTIMENTS FROM THE BOARD.

WOULD PEOPLE LIKE FOR US TO COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION ONE MORE TIME OR SHOULD WE HAVE THIS ON FOR ACTION? IF ANYONE COULD JUST GIVE SOME INPUT.

TREASURER DESCHAINE. THIS INVOLVES TAX AUTHORITY, I THINK WE SHOULD BRING THIS BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PUBLIC SECTOR CONSULTANTS.

THANK YOU. SO IF EVERYBODY COULD TAKE MORE TIME OVER THE NEXT WEEK, WE DO MEET A WEEK FROM TODAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM 13C POLICE OFFICER AND FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC COVID

[13C. Police Officer and Firefighter/Paramedic COVID-19 Appreciation Pay]

APPRECIATION PAY.

MANAGER WALSH IS INTRODUCING THIS FOR US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUPERVISOR, PRO-TEM.

ONE OF THE THINGS BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WANTED TO TAKE A STEP BACK INTO THE LAST ISSUE, JUST THAT THE TERM ABOUT THE CAPTURE CAME UP.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF OR NOT.

BUT WHEN YOU MAKE FUTURE PLANS INVOLVING TIFS AND DDAS, I'VE LIVED THROUGH A NEGATIVE CAPTURE BEFORE. THAT'S THE TERM THAT'S USED THAT THE TREASURER BROUGHT UP THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BROACHED HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO.

AND THAT IS WHEN YOU STARTED A VALUE IN A TIF (TAX INCREMENT FINANCING) AND SAY IT'S TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THE VALUE.

AND THEN YOU MAKE ALL KINDS OF PLANS AND COMMITMENTS BASED ON FUTURE GROWTH.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A HUGE DECLINE.

AND THAT DECLINE OF THAT SAME BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT SHRINKS BELOW TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND.

YOU DON'T HAVE A CAPTURE.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A NEGATIVE CAPTURE, BUT YOU HAVE A BOND TO PAY FOR.

IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION TO BE IN .

SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ILLUMINATE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE NEGATIVE CAPTURE CAN DO.

MOVING ON TO THE ITEM THAT'S BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE MANAGED A ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE MEMBER ORGANIZATION OR NOT.

BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND PARITY.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND AN EQUAL BALANCE AMONG THE TEAM MEMBERS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU BEFORE WE GET TO THE SPECIFICS THIS EVENING ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A COMBINED EFFORT.

AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO FIND EQUITY AMONGST THE ENTIRE GROUP.

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BUT IF YOU ROLL THE DICE BACK OR ROLL THE CLOCK BACK TO MARCH OR APRIL 2020, WHEN PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORES, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO REMEMBER.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE WAY IT WAS WHEN PEOPLE BROUGHT THEIR GROCERIES HOME.

THEY SET THEM IN THE GARAGE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE CONTACT WITH THEM RIGHT OF WAY. I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD WAS AT THIS TIME.

AND MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES, WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE, ALMOST HALF OF THEM ARE POLICE AND FIRE. FORTY ONE SWORN POLICE OFFICERS, THIRTY TWO FIRE.

SO FOR THOSE 73, IT WAS COME TO WORK EVERY DAY, NO TIME OFF, NO ADDITIONAL TIME AT ALL.

AND ENTERING HOMES OF PEOPLE WHO MAY, AND WE DID, WE ENTERED HOMES WITH PEOPLE WITH COVID. IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR THOSE 73 MEMBERS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, AND THIS IS NOT DISPARAGING ANYONE.

THIS IS JUST THE SITUATION WE WERE IN.

THERE WAS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM ON EMERGENCY SICK LEAVE PLAN, THAT GRANTED EIGHTY HOURS OF TIME OFF, THAT'S TWO WEEKS OF TIME OFF TO EVERY EMPLOYEE BUT THE EMPLOYER.

AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW ALL THESE DETAILS BEFORE WE GET TO THIS, BECAUSE WE TRY TO BUILD EQUITY IN THE INSTITUTION, THE EMPLOYER GOT TO DECIDE WHO WAS ESSENTIAL AND NON-ESSENTIAL, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE ESSENTIAL, UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RULES, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE PROVIDED THAT 80 HOURS.

BUT EVERYONE ELSE, IF YOU'RE NONESSENTIAL AND IT'S A HARD TERM TO ASSIGN TO PEOPLE.

RIGHT. EVERYONE'S ESSENTIAL IN THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT WE HAD TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THIS POINT TONIGHT, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE FULL SCOPE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS.

WE DETERMINED THAT PUBLIC WORKS, OBVIOUSLY SERVING WATER AND SEWER AND GOING OUT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WERE NON EQUAL OR ESSENTIAL.

AND SO IS POLICE AND FIRE, SO THEY DON'T GET ANY OF THE 80 HOURS.

BUT FOR OTHER THAN MANAGEMENT, I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF US THAT DIDN'T TAKE THAT TIME EITHER. BUT FOR EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ORGANIZATION, THAT'S TWO WEEKS OFF.

BUT BEYOND THAT, TWO WEEKS OFF, WE HAD A WORK FROM HOME PROGRAM.

SO FOR WEEKS AT A TIME, MONTHS AT A TIME, WE HAD PEOPLE AT HOME TRYING TO SET UP A WORK FROM HOME PROGRAM, BUT NOT FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

PUBLIC WORKS, WE DID SET UP ONE WEEK ON, ONE WEEK OFF.

THE ONLY REASON WE DID THAT IS WE DIDN'T WANT EVERYONE TOGETHER, A COVID OUTBREAK AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO A WATER AND SEWER BREAK.

SO THAT'S ONE PART OF IT WAS THE WORK FROM HOME PROGRAM THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO ALL BUT POLICE AND FIRE AND THEN THE 80 HOURS OF TIME THAT WAS GIVEN UP.

AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS OR NOT. BUT RIGHT NOW IN OUR ORGANIZATION, WE'VE INSTITUTED A FLEX TIME.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID THIS IS THAT RECRUITING EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW IS VERY DIFFICULT.

POLICE AND FIRE IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE AND THE REST OF THE POSITIONS ARE CHALLENGING.

AND SO WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE IT A BETTER WORKPLACE, ENTICE PEOPLE, MAKE IT MORE FLEXIBLE.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE OPERATING ON AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS OR NOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE DID MONTHS AGO.

WE WENT TO AN 8:30 - 5:00 OR 8:00 - 4:30.

I'M SURE SOME OF YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. WE GIVE A HALF AN HOUR OFF PER DAY.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ADDS UP TO IN A YEAR? THAT'S ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY HOURS.

TWO AND A HALF HOURS TIMES 52 WEEKS.

THAT'S 16 DAYS.

THAT'S THREE WEEKS OF ADDITIONAL TIME OFF.

SO IF I'M AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S BEEN HERE A FEW YEARS, I GET 15 DAYS OFF, I GET THREE WEEKS.

I JUST GOT THAT DOUBLED.

I GET SIX WEEKS OFF PLUS THREE PERSONAL DAYS.

GUESS WHO DOESN'T GET THAT? POLICE OR FIRE. OK, SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE IN TOTALITY OF THE 80 HOURS OF TIME THAT CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHO GOT IT, WHO DIDN'T.

THE ADDITIONAL TIME OFF THAT WE'RE GIVING RIGHT NOW IN OUR FLEX SCHEDULE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE WORK FROM HOME PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, ALL THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS TO TRY TO BALANCE THE ENVIRONMENT, BALANCE THE PLAYING FIELD.

AND SO BACK IN APRIL OF 2020, WE WELL OVER A YEAR AGO, THE BOARD PROVIDED THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF THE APPRECIATION PAY, NOT A BONUS, BUT APPRECIATION PAYMENT FOR WHAT OUR POLICE AND FIRE--NO WORK FROM HOME, NO 80 HOURS OF TIME.

NO, SEVEN AND A HALF HOUR WORK DAYS.

NO, THEY HAVE REALLY HAD TO STEP UP AND THEY'VE HAD TO CONTINUE THAT MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH. SO TONIGHT, I'M SORRY I'VE WENT ON AND ON, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION HAS DONE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.

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AND I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT TO CONSIDER A SECOND PAYMENT TO THE POLICE AND FIRE FIGHTERS, ALL WHO ARE SWORN PARAMEDICS, I SHOULD ADD, AS WELL, FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS AND POLICE OFFICERS. AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY RIGHT NOW SIXTY SEVEN.

SIXTY EIGHT. AND SO THAT ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR PAYMENT WOULD GO THROUGH PAYROLL.

YOU END UP WITH SEVEN HUNDRED AND SOME DOLLARS TYPICALLY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING AND REQUESTING ON BEHALF OF DIRECTOR TITHOF AND MYSELF, DIRECTOR PERRY, WHO SAT DOWN AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT AGAIN, HOW DO WE BALANCE THE ORGANIZATION? IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT I THINK IT'S A WISE MOVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT? I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MR. SUPERVISOR. THANK YOU MANAGER WALSH.

SO REAL QUICK BEFORE BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO WITH THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES, WE DETERMINE THAT PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, WE'RE NOT THE HUNDRED AND THIRTY HOURS FLEXIBILITY.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY.

PUBLIC WORKS WAS DETERMINED, ESSENTIAL.

IT WAS NOT WE'RE NOT GIVEN THE 80 HOURS, BUT THEY WERE GIVEN STAGGERED WORK SCHEDULE.

SO THEY HAD SOME OF THE WELL, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK FROM, THEIR POSITIONS ARE DIFFERENT. YOU CAN'T WORK FROM HOME IF YOUR JOB IS TO REPAIR WATER LINES.

SO THEY WERE GIVEN A WEEK OFF AT A TIME TO STAY HOME AND STAY HEALTHY.

SO IT'S A HYBRID FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

THEY WERE DETERMINED ESSENTIAL THEY DIDN'T GET THE EIGHTY HOURS, BUT THEY DID HAVE WEEKS OFF AT A TIME AT HOME.

OK, SO THEY GOT KIND OF AGGREGATED VACATION TIME.

YES. AND IN A WAY THEY DID GET THE, IN THE WAY.

THEY DID GET THE HOURS BUT IT WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH ESSENTIAL AND I HATE I REALLY DISLIKE THOSE TERMS BECAUSE OUR NEW PERSON, ZACH, IF THE MINUTES ARE CORRECT, WE'RE IN TROUBLE. HE'S ESSENTIAL, BUT NOT ESSENTIAL UNDER THAT TIME DURING COVID.

IT'S I JUST DON'T LIKE THE TERMS. OK, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD TREASURER DESCHAINE.

THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HIGH QUALITY OF CARE THAT OUR 43000 RESIDENTS GOT PAST SIXTEEN MONTHS AND THAT CARE WAS LARGELY DELIVERED BY PARAMEDICS OR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE AND FIREMEN.

SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS TO US.

AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I'LL SUPPORT A SECOND ROUND OF HAZARD PAY IF YOU WILL.

YOU'RE CORRECT. MOST TOWN EMPLOYEES HAD THE OPTION OF WORKING FROM HOME AT LEAST SOME HOURS FROM HOME IN THE PAST 16 MONTHS, POLICE AND FIRE FRONT LINE WORKERS DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION, BUT THEY PROVIDED UNPARALLELED SERVICE TO OUR TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE, AND I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE TO USE SOME OF THAT TO THANK OUR FIRST RESPONDERS FOR THE EXCELLENT AND HIGH LEVEL OF CARE THEY PROVIDED OUR RESIDENTS THE LAST 16 MONTHS. SO I'M FULLY INTEND TO SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IF I COULD, COULD I ADD ONE THING MR. SUPERVISOR. CERTAINLY. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE AND TRY TO LEARN FROM EVERYONE THAT I TALK TO, TRY TO DO MORE LISTENING THAN TALKING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IN THE MEMO IS THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE TWO CHIEFS. AND I'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM, BUT I'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT OVER THE LAST WEEK.

AND THAT FEEDBACK WAS NOT REALLY FAVORABLE ABOUT THAT DECISION THAT I MADE.

AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS, YOU INCLUDE BECAUSE THEIR LEADERSHIP WAS EXEMPLARY DURING THAT TIME, OTHERS AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, I CAN'T MAKE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL, BUT I WOULD ASK AT A POINT WHERE YOU CONSIDER THIS THAT YOU ADD BOTH OF THOSE IN THERE.

I'VE CHANGED MY POSITION ON THAT OVER THE LAST WEEK.

THANK YOU. MANAGER WALSH.

I WOULD SUPPORT, INCLUDING BOTH CHIEFS IN THIS PROGRAM FOR HAZARD PAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK CLERK GUTHRIE, TOO, FOR HAVING AN EQUITY DISCUSSION EARLIER.

I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPED INFORM THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

SO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS ON THIS.

CLERK GUTHRIE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR SINCE I WAS SWORN IN ON NOVEMBER 20TH.

AND, WELL, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABREAST OF ALL OF IT--NO, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AND YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT BECAUSE WHAT IT SHOWED ME IS THAT I HAD DONE A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING ALL THIS INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.

SO IT WAS ENLIGHTENING THE CONVERSATION WE HAD.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHY WE WENT OVER ALL THIS TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.

AND I WANT TO I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO I WASN'T HERE LAST YEAR, BUT I KNOW THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAD TO THEY HAD TO RUN.

THEY HAD TO GIVE OUT ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

THEY HAD TO REGISTER PEOPLE.

AND SO THEY HAD TO COME INTO THE OFFICE.

AND I REALIZED THAT THEY DID HAVE SPECIFIC TIME OFF.

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AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE OFFICE WAS RUN LAST YEAR IF THAT WAS GIVEN OR NOT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE THAT WAS IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE FULL TIME PERSON WITH US TODAY WHO WAS A FULL TIME PERSON LAST YEAR.

AND HER NAME IS REBECCA, AND SHE DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB.

SHE OVERSEES ALL OF THE 30000 REGISTERED VOTERS.

AND SHE I ASKED HER TO GIVE ME SOME STATS THIS MORNING, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. THEY HAD ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE NEW VOTERS REGISTERED FOURTEEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION IN MARCH.

THEY HAD A HUNDRED AND TWELVE ABSENTEE VOTER BALLOTS WERE ISSUED AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE THE MONDAY PRIOR TO ELECTION DAY.

THEY HAD 938 ABSENTEE BALLOTS BALLOTS THAT WERE RETURNED ON ELECTION DAY IN MARCH.

IN AUGUST, THEY HAD ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE NEW VOTERS THAT THEY HAD TO REGISTER.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR INFORMATION.

YOU HAVE TO VERIFY WHERE THEY'RE LIVING AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR DOCUMENTATION.

IF THEY WANT AN ABSENTEE BALLOT, YOU HAVE TO PRINT IT OUT, GO BACK TO THAT PERSON AND GIVE THEM THEIR ABSENTEE BALLOT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTERACTION THAT GOES ON.

AND SO, I THANK HER FOR ENLIGHTENING ME TODAY AND PROVIDING ME INFORMATION WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY ACTUALLY REGISTER AND GET ABSENTEE BALLOTS TO, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF IT, FOR EACH OF LAST YEAR'S ELECTIONS.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE RAPPORTEUR FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS BOARD FOR THE DECISIONS THAT THEY THEY MADE LAST YEAR TO SHOW APPRECIATION TO THE STAFF AND THE CONTINUED APPRECIATION. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE MEMO, BUT I'M ALL FOR RELAXED CLOTHING AND STILL ALLOWING JEANS TO BE WORN ON A REGULAR BASIS.

I THINK STAFF LIKES IT; I KNOW I DO.

YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT, BUT OUT OF ALL THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE AS DIRECTORS ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO, THE CASUAL WORKPLACE DRAWS MORE FAVORABLE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAN ANY FINANCIAL STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE, IT'S A VERY POPULAR THING THAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE, AND THANK YOU, MANAGER WALSH.

OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD.

I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO GO.

TRUSTEE WISINSKI.

THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PRO-TEM. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MANAGER WALSH IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ESSENTIAL AND NON-ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WORKING THAT OUT IN A PUBLIC AGENCY.

AND I KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFINITION BASED ON LEGALLY.

SO I THANK EVERYBODY AT THE TOWNSHIP ALL THE STAFF FOR BEING THERE AND CONTINUING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR JOB AND DO THEIR JOB IN, YOU KNOW, IN VERY HARSH CIRCUMSTANCES AND BUT JUST WANTED TO I WRONG? WAS THE WORD FLEXIBILITY KIND OF STAGGERING IN THAT WORD FLEXIBILITY? DIDN'T THAT COME ABOUT THROUGH STAFF PUT BASED ON WHEN IT WAS GETTING DARK EARLIER IN THE DAY? AND THEN WE KIND OF CONTINUED IT THROUGH COVID.

IS MY MEMORY NOT SERVING.

NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

MOSTLY. YEAH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE LOOKED AT THIS FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW.

WE LOOKED AT THAT TWO YEARS AGO NOW BEFORE COVID, IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO, YEAH, ABOUT SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO COWID, WE LOOKED AT IT.

WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES OF EQUITY AMONG THE DEPARTMENTS AND JUST DECIDED IT WASN'T GOING TO WORK AT THIS AT THAT TIME.

AND SO AFTER COVID AND PEOPLE STARTED COMING BACK, JUST IMPLEMENTED IT, SAID, WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE COMING BACK CASUAL AND WE'RE ON A FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE.

YOU PICK EIGHT TO FOUR THIRTY OR EIGHT THIRTY TO FIVE AS LONG AS THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT'S COVERED AND YOU STAGGER IT.

AND THAT'S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND IT'S GONE OVER EXTREMELY WELL.

OK, I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED THAT FALL, BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD DISCUSSED IT IN THE FALL OF 2019. I KNOW CLERK DREYFUS WAS OPPOSED, BUT I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED. YOU'RE RIGHT ON.

WE REALLY TRIED TO YOU GOT YOU UNDERSTAND THE FULL GAMUT ANY OTHER... TRUSTEE JACKSON.

YES I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I AM READY AND PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL AND WITH

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THE INCLUSION OF THE TWO CHIEFS.

I THINK WE HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.

WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, TO TAKE THIS UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING? SO MOVED. SUPPORT. AND THEN WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE POLICE OFFICER AND FIREFIGHTER SLASH PARAMEDIC COVID-19 APPRECIATION PAY WITH THE INCLUSION OF BOTH CHIEFS.

ARE YOU--I'M SORRY.

YEAH, I'M SORRY. SO IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES? WOULD THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON SUSPENDING THE RULES.

THANK YOU, CLERK GUTHRIE.

WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? TREASURER DESCHAINE. I MOVE THAT THE TOWNSHIP BOARD AUTHORIZE HAZARD PAY FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE, OUR FIREMEN, PARAMEDICS AND POLICE OFFICERS, THE CURRENT NUMBER BEING 67, INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER, CHIEF HAMEL, AND CHIEF PLAGA, HAZARD PAY BEING ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PERSON.

SUPPORT. SUPPORTED BY TRUSTEE JACKSON.

DISCUSSION ON A MAIN MOTION.

ANYTHING ELSE, MANAGER WALSH? NO, THANK YOU. CLERK GUTHRIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU CLERK GUTHRIE AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ITEM OF THE

[13D. Paramedic School Sponsorship]

EVENING, ITEM 13D, WHICH IS THE PARAMEDICS SCHOOL SPONSORSHIP AND CHIEF HAMEL IS COMING UP TO INTRODUCE THE SPONSORSHIP FOR US.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SUPERVISOR AND BOARD. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.

IF I GO BACK TO 1990, WHEN I STARTED APPLYING FOR A JOB, I WAS COMPETING AGAINST HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. TODAY, FIVE, SIX PEOPLE APPLIED.

IT'S JUST STRANGE THE LACK OF PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT A FIREFIGHTER OR EVEN A POLICE OFFICER DOES IS TRYING TO RECRUIT.

AND ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS EVEN IN MICHIGAN, I CAN GIVE YOU EXAMPLES, A LACK OF PARAMEDICS.

PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING THE PARAMEDIC TRAINING.

SO IF YOU GO BACK ABOUT FOUR YEARS IN MICHIGAN, THERE'S ABOUT TWELVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY STUDENTS ON AVERAGE GOING TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL ACROSS THE STATE.

TODAY, IT'S BETWEEN 250 AND 350 PEOPLE.

THOSE PEOPLE GO TO SCHOOL TO BE A PARAMEDIC FOR MEDICAL SCHOOL BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM AN UP BONUS TO GET INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL.

IT'S A TRANSITION TO NURSING.

SO FOR US IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S GOING TO HURT EVEN MORE AS WE MOVE ON. PRIVATES ARE REALLY HURTING RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE PICKING UP A LOT OF THEIR LOAD. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING SOMEWHAT OF AN INCREASE IN OUR CALL VOLUME.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF BRAINSTORMED ON OVER THE LAST YEAR AND WORKING WITH MANAGER WALSH, MR. PERRY AND DIRECTOR TITHOF, I BROUGHT TO THE TABLE A PROCESS OF SPONSORING SOMEONE TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL.

WE CAN TRAIN SOMEONE TO BE A FIREFIGHTER REALLY INEXPENSIVELY AND IN A SHORT PERIOD.

AND THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT CHIEF PLAGA DOES WITH SENDING PEOPLE TO THE POLICE ACADEMY. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS SPONSOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO A PARAMEDIC PROGRAM NEAR FLINT. IT'S A 16 MONTH PROGRAM.

AND THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT ABOUT THE TIME THIS INDIVIDUAL FINISHES THE TRAINING WE WILL HAVE A RETIREMENT. I ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A PERSON LEAVING ABOUT THE SAME TIME.

SO IT'S A WAY OF KIND OF RECRUITING TO FILL A POSITION THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, CHIEF PLAGA IS A ONE SEMESTER PROGRAM; PARAMEDIC PROGRAMS ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 16 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO.

FOR US, THIS WOULD BE NOT TOO EXPENSIVE.

IT'S ABOUT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE PROGRAM.

AND ROUGHLY THE TOTAL COST WITH PAYING INDIVIDUAL TO GO IS ABOUT FIFTEEN THOUSAND.

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IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THEY CAN TRAINING, WHICH WOULD CUT UP ABOUT THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO THIS IS JUST A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SEE IF IT'LL WORK AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS IN THE FUTURE, AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE RETIREMENTS WHERE WE CAN REPLACE AND HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE AND REALLY TRY TO AS AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL, AND THEY THEY DO WORK FOR US PART TIME.

WE GET TO KNOW THEM AND THEY LEARN OUR CULTURE AND LEARN THE ORGANIZATION.

AND WE CAN REALLY EVALUATE HIM EVEN OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.

THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT A THOUSAND HOURS.

THAT'S REALLY KIND OF ROUGHLY HOW YOU LOOK AT A PARAMEDIC PROGRAM AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHICH SCHOOL YOU GO TO.

BUT IT'S A THOUSAND HOURS.

THEY HAVE TO DO ABOUT 500 HOURS OF CLASSROOM, ROUGHLY ABOUT 250 HOURS OF CLINICAL TIME, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE RIDING AN AMBULANCE FOR ROUGHLY 250 AND WORKING IN A HOSPITAL FOR 250. AND THEN THERE'S A INTERNSHIP THAT FOLLOWS.

SO IT'S A PRETTY INTENSE PROGRAM.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

IT'S CHANGED SO MUCH SINCE I WENT.

NATIONAL REGISTRY TEST.

IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT.

SO ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO RAMBLE ON TOO MUCH.

I THINK IT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT US IN THE LONG RUN.

YOU KNOW, IT IS AT A COST, BUT WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN 16 MONTHS.

OH, YEAH, I'M SORRY, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS: SO WE HAVE A TRAINING ACCOUNT WHERE WE CAN AND THE WAY THIS PROGRAM WORKS, WE CAN PAY FOR IT OVER FOUR WHAT THEY CALL SEMESTERS. SO YOU TAKE THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WE PAY FOR IT OVER BASICALLY THE 16 MONTHS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A PART TIME TRAINING ACCOUNT OR A BUDGET, A PART TIME EMPLOYEE ACCOUNT WHERE WE'LL PAY THE ADDITIONAL COST TO THE PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT, BASICALLY.

OK, SO YOU'RE HERE CEREMONIALLY, SOMEWHAT, BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR BUDGET.

THANK YOU, CHIEF HAMEL. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD.

I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SO SINCE THIS IS THE INTENT HERE IS TO MIRROR WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH SPONSORING CADETS TO THE POLICE ACADEMY. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COST.

I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A COST; I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A COST DIFFERENTIAL, BUT JUST IS THERE, I BELIEVE IT MIRRORS WHAT WE DO WITH THE POLICE CADETS BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THEM DURING THEIR TIME GOING THROUGH THE TRAINING AND WE'RE PAYING 100 PERCENT OF TUITION.

ARE THERE ANY DIFFERENCES? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS PERSON HAS TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH AN EMT PROGRAM. SO, THERE'S A STEP THEY HAVE TO TAKE PRIOR TO GETTING TO US AND THE PEOPLE WE'RE LOOKING THE FIREFIGHTER ARE EMT ALREADY.

SO IT'S JUST THAT NEXT STEP TO TO GET THE REST OF THEIR TRAINING FOR WHAT WE REQUIRE, WE HIRE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, YOU KNOW.

AND SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU, CHIEF HAMEL, AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER WEEK AGO.

BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THIS FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S EDIFICATION? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPROXIMATELY 350 STUDENTS GOING THROUGH THERE, HOW FEW OF THOSE STUDENTS GO ON TO ACTUALLY SERVE AS A FIREFIGHTER AND EMT? OH, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS.

I KNOW WE'RE RECRUITING OUT OF LCC EVERY YEAR.

I'VE GOT THREE ALMOST PARAMEDICS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR INTERNSHIP.

THEY'LL BE DONE IN AUGUST.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN RECRUITING THEM PRETTY HARD TO TRY TO HIRE THEM AS A PART TIME PARAMEDIC, SEE HOW THEY ARE OVER A FEW MONTHS AND THEN POTENTIALLY SEND THEM TO A FIRE ACADEMY NEXT FALL.

I POTENTIALLY I'M GOING TO HAVE TWO OTHER VACANCIES NEXT YEAR, ONE FOR SURE, IN JUNE.

SO I CAN TELL YOU IN THE LCC EMT PROGRAM TODAY, THE PROGRAM THEY'RE RUNNING IN THE SUMMER, THEY HAVE 29 STUDENTS.

THERE'S THREE OR FOUR I THINK IT'S FOUR THAT WANT TO GO ON TO EMS, TO THE FIRE FIELD OR EMS FIELD. BEING A PRIVATE EMT OR PARAMEDIC.

THE REMAINDER OF THE TWENTY NINE ARE GOING BECAUSE THEY'RE MED STUDENTS AT MSU AND THEY WANT TO GO INTO NURSING AND IT'S JUST A STEPPING STONE.

IT'S ON THEIR RESUME TO GET INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S NOT GOOD.

SO A LOT OF THEM WILL GO ON TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL, BUT IT'S AGAIN TO TRANSITION INTO NURSING OR TO MED SCHOOL TO BECOME A DOCTOR.

SO IT'S INTERESTING.

NOBODY REALLY KNOWS THE ANSWER.

THIS IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT'S LIKE A NURSING SHORTAGE.

IT'S A PARAMEDIC SHORTAGE, SHORTAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IN SOME AREAS, IT'S PAY.

YOU GO TO CALIFORNIA, THEY'RE THE LEAST PAID PARAMEDICS IN THE COUNTRY.

UP, THEY HAD A MEMO THAT CAME OUT.

IT WAS A NEWS CLIP A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT IF YOU'RE EXPECTING A PARAMEDIC SHOW UP AT YOUR DOOR AT YOUR HOUSE, YOU MIGHT NOT GET THEM.

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THAT'S KIND OF SCARY. AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO RECRUIT, RETAIN AND GET THESE PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HIRING EMTS AND LOWERING OUR STANDARD AND WORKING PARAMEDIC EMT AT SOME DAY.

AND THAT'S NOT FAR OFF IN MY BELIEF, ANYWAY.

THANK YOU. AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THE SHORTAGE, WHICH AND YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IN BLACK AND WHITE GOING FROM 1250 TO 350 STUDENTS.

THANK YOU.

CLERK GUTHRIE, YOU HAD GREAT SUPPORT AS WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

WHAT IS THEIR CURRENT RATE OF PAY HERE AT THE TOWNSHIP? IT'S A LITTLE OVER FORTY TWO.

FORTY TWO THOUSAND A YEAR? FORTY TWO THOUSAND, YEAH.

HOW IS THAT COMPARABLE TO EAST LANSING, LANSING, OTHER COMMUNITIES BESIDES MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP? SO WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO EAST LANSING, ALMOST IDEAL EXACT.

DELTA PAYS MORE LIKE LANSING, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN US, BIGGER CITY.

DELHI IS A LITTLE LESS.

TRYING TO THINK WHO ELSE, LANSING TOWNSHIP'S LESS.

SO WE'RE PROBABLY THIRD IN THE COUNTY BEHIND WELL IN THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE LANSING, AND THEN WE'RE PRETTY EQUAL AGAIN TO EAST LANSING.

SO IT'LL BE THE TOP THREE. SO, IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE? YEAH. NOW YOU GO OUT TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE.

WE DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE THERE.

IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE.

THEY START AT OUR TOP PAY.

WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT.

WE NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO.

WHAT IS THE RETENTION FOR FIREFIGHTERS AT MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP? DO THEY STAY HERE ON AVERAGE? SO I'VE HAD TWO LEAVE SINCE I STARTED.

ONE WAS HERE PRIOR TO ME STARTING.

HE WENT TO LANSING AND THEN A GAL THAT WE ACTUALLY SPONSORED TO THE FIRE ACADEMY THAT WAS A PARAMEDIC, SHE WORKED FOR US FOR A BIT AND DECIDED SHE WANTED TO GO TO LANSING ALSO.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE LEAVE THAT JUST DECIDED AT FIFTEEN YEARS IT WASN'T FOR THEM ANYMORE. WELL, I STOLE ZACH FROM LANSING, FROM OUR.

SO, NOW WE'RE EVEN.

GET A DAY OFF THE AMBULANCE, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS WEARING AFTER A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG CITY.

IT DRAWS MORE FIRES.

YOU KNOW, THEY THEY PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FIRES A YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL ONLY ONE PERCENT OF WHAT THEY DO.

AND I TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOUNG FIREFIGHTERS THAT YOU'RE GOING THERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET BEAT UP. THEY'RE BUSY.

THEY WANT TO RUN 21000 CALLS A YEAR.

WE'RE AT ABOUT 5000 ON AVERAGE.

IT BEATS YOU UP.

I WORKED THERE TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

AND IT'S WORSE THAN WHEN I WAS THERE.

I MEAN, REGARDS WHEN I LEFT, THERE WAS ABOUT SIXTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED RUNS A YEAR AND THEY'RE AT ABOUT TWENTY ONE THOUSAND NOW.

THEY'RE BUSY. THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

TRUSTEE JACKSON. CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED EXPECTED RETIREMENT.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW MANY CHURN YOU'VE HAD IN RETIREMENT IN THE LAST FOUR? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, NOT THAT MANY; ONLY A COUPLE OF RETIREMENTS.

I'VE HAD A COUPLE LIKE TWO RETIREMENTS LAST YEAR IN APRIL.

THAT'S WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY ON THE BOARD ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE A NEW OUR FINAL FIREFIGHTER WE'RE FILLING A POSITION WHICH COVID HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T USED A LOT OF VACATION, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A TON OF OVERTIME, BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL NOW.

SO I'VE HAD TWO OF MY MORE SENIOR PEOPLE RESIGN AND MOVE ON.

BOTH HAD ABOUT FIFTEEN YEARS AND THEN TWO RETIREMENTS.

FUTURE COMING, CHIEF PRIESE CAN LEAVE THIS OCTOBER, BUT I KNOW HE'S NOT LEAVING TILL NEXT YEAR AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'LL LEAVE UNLESS HE FINDS ANOTHER JOB.

HE REALLY ENJOYS BEING HERE.

CAPTAIN RICHARDSON CAN RETIRE NEXT JUNE.

HE IS LEAVING. PAUL CULLIMORE, LIEUTENANT CAN RETIRE NEXT OCTOBER, AND THAT'S WHO THIS PARAMEDIC STUDENT WILL FILL.

AND THEN THE FOLLOWING JANUARY A YEAR FROM THIS JANUARY, I HAVE BOTH MY BATTALION CHIEFS RETIRING MARK AND KEN.

AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE EVERY YEAR FROM THERE ON OUT.

SO IT'S TWENTY FIVE AND FIFTY.

SO ONCE THEY REACH THAT RETIREMENT AGE, THAT'S WHEN THEY GENERALLY GO AND.

AND ARE WE PREPARING TO TRAIN NEW REPLACEMENTS AT THE RATE OF ONE EVERY SIX MONTHS? YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW PROGRAMS WE PUT IN PLACE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

WE HAVE A BATTALION CHIEF MANUAL WE PUT TOGETHER.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS OUR BATTALION CHIEFS ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO TEST FOR THEIR POSITIONS.

AND A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN REALLY PREPARING PEOPLE FOR THEIR JOB.

SAME THING WITH SOME OF THE LIEUTENANTS THAT WILL BE TESTING FOR CAPTAIN.

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WE WERE PREPARING THEM FOR THE JOB AND OUR CAPTAINS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB CULTIVATING THAT. SO, YES, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IF NOT, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO STEP INTO A POSITION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMMAND A FIRE AND LIFE AND DEATH'S IN THEIR HANDS.

RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE JOB AND BE READY TO GO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

QUESTIONS? MANAGER WALSH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALREADY BUDGETED AND THERE IS CLEAR CONSENSUS AND SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD? DO YOU NEED THIS TO COME BACK FOR ACTION OR.

YEAH, WE DO, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY ALTHOUGH THE FUNDS ARE THERE, THE FUNDS ARE THERE FOR A PARTICULAR REASON, AS YOU KNOW, NOTED BY THE BOARD WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE BUDGET.

THIS IS CLEARLY A DIFFERENT USE OF THOSE FUNDS AND IT'S STEPPING OUTSIDE VERY MUCH OUTSIDE OF THE NORM.

AND WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO I DO THINK ACTION BY THE BOARD SPEAKS LOUDLY HERE AND WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR US.

SO, YEAH, I DO THINK ACTION FOR THE BOARD WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LOOKS LIKE THE CHIEF HAS A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS AS WELL.

ONE THING ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION IS SO THIS PERSON, JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH CHIEF PLAGA'S, THEY'LL HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT THAT THEY STAY WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS.

SO THE NICE THING IS THREE YEARS PLUS THAT IS TO GET SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT ARE CONTRACTUAL NOW. THEY HAVE TO STAY FIVE YEARS.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER WAY TO KEEP SOMEONE IN THE SEAT FOR A WHILE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHY LEAVE, RIGHT? UNLESS YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THE JOB.

SO I MISSED TELLING YOU THAT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

YEAH AND THAT MIRRORS THE CADET PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND CHIEF PLAGA FOR YOUR WORK ON DEVELOPING THESE PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. CLERK GUTHRIE HAS ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.

SORRY, ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THIS ONE PERSON TO BE SPONSORED EACH YEAR OR ONE EVERY THREE YEARS? SO IT'S ABOUT TIMING.

SO THIS ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPONSOR, THE CLASS STARTS AUGUST 30TH AND THEN THEY'LL BE DONE JUST SHORTLY AFTER THE RETIREMENT HAPPENS.

SO LOOKING OUT, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS, THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE IN JANUARY. AND THEN I KNOW WE HAVE THE TWO BATTALION CHIEF THAT CAN LEAVE THE FOLLOWING JANUARY; IT WOULD BE A FEW MONTHS DELAY.

SO WE REALLY KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR TIMING ON, YOU KNOW, CHIEF PLAGA, HE HAS A VACANCY WHEN HE DOES THIS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE SEMESTER HE GOES WITH A VACANCY.

FOR THIS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTH TRAINING PROGRAM.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TRAIN SOMEONE AND NOT HAVE AN OPENING FOR HIM. ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS FLUID LIKE THIS COULD COME LIKE ONE THIS YEAR? COULD BE TWO NEXT YEAR. COULD BE THREE NEXT YEAR.

DEPENDS ON--YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S TIMING AND PLANNING IT OUT--YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

CAN WE DO THIS IN A TIME WHEN THERE'S A RETIREMENT AS WE DON'T WANT TO GO EIGHT MONTHS AFTER AND NOT RETAIN THEM.

OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY I COMMEND ALL OF YOU FOR ALL THE CREATIVE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT GOES INTO THIS.

THE HR DIRECTOR AND THE FIRE CHIEF AND CHIEF PLAGA.

AND LIKE, I JUST AM SO IMPRESSED BY HOW EVERYBODY IS JUST THINKING FORWARD AND TRYING TO THINK AHEAD. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL BRING THIS BACK FOR ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING UNLESS SOMEONE HAS EMOTION OTHERWISE.

ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BOARD DISCUSSION ITEMS AND WE ARE BACK TO ITEM 14 OR WE ARE ON ITEM 14 COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC STILL PRESENT.

ITEM 15 OTHER MATTERS AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

[15. OTHER MATTERS AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS]

SUPERVISOR STYKA. YOU ARE ON MUTE.

APPRECIATION I DISCUSSED IT SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE MANAGER BEFORE HE BROUGHT IT FORWARD, AND I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

WOULD YOU LIKE WE COULD MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THAT VOTE IF YOU'D LIKE TO REDO THE ROLL CALL REAL' QUICK. NO, I THINK, I KNOW I SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, MR. SUPERVISOR.

OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS AND MATTERS BEFORE THE BOARD.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

EXCUSE ME, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? YES. THANK YOU.

TONIGHT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT, BUT I WANT US TO JUST STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE.

I THINK EVERYONE THAT COMMENTED TONIGHT HAD VALID COMMENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE OF THE

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DISCUSSION YOU WERE ON. BUT I ALSO WANT US TO STEP BACK AS A GROUP FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK FORWARD, LOOK OUT THE WINDSHIELD, NOT THE REARVIEW MIRROR AND WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ROADS, YOU TALKED ABOUT PENSION, YOU TALKED ABOUT RETIREE HEALTH CARE.

WE TALKED ABOUT STARTING SOLAR.

AND THE LIST COULD GO ON AND ON, TALKED ABOUT INCREASING OUR FUND BALANCE.

LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING. HAZARD WE'RE LEADING THE ISSUE OF HAZARD PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE. AND I COULD GO ON AND ON FOR THE NEXT HALF HOUR.

I'M NOT GOING TO BUT LOOK AT ALL THE BIG ISSUES THAT THIS BOARD HAS ACCOMPLISHED.

THE ROADS ARE BEING FIXED.

OUR RETIREE HEALTH CARE IS 100 PERCENT FUNDED.

OUR TOWNSHIP PENSION FUND'S 100 PERCENT FUNDED.

WE'RE MAKING GREAT STRIDES AS A COMMUNITY.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

I WON'T GET INTO ALL THOSE TONIGHT EITHER.

BUT LET'S CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND AS A BOARD.

THIS IS A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON.

WE HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF WE DON'T STAY UNITED.

DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS AGREE ON SEVERAL VOTES.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATIVES.

LET'S ALL STICK TOGETHER.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THAT'S HOW WE FURTHER OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA COUPLE OF MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MANAGER WALSH.

AND THOSE COMMENTS ARE APPRECIATED.

OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS OR REMARKS.

SEEING NONE, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVED.

SUPPORTED. MOVED AND SUPPORTED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. GREAT, THAT'S ALL.

GOOD EVENING. I'M RACHEL RAMSEY.

THE JULY 13TH TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING JUST ADJOURNED.

[Postscript]

HERE IS A POST MEDIA REPORT OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE MEETING.

THE AGENDA BEGAN WITH A PATHWAY MASTER PLAN UPDATE REGARDING THE SHORT AND LONG TERM GOALS FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THE MASTER PLAN WILL RECONSTRUCT OVER 70 MILES OF PATHWAYS.

NEXT, THE BOARD DISCUSSED THE CITIZENS SURVEY, WHERE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENTED THEIR OPINIONS OVER ONE OF THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY, RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. SOME BOARD MEMBERS FELT THIS QUESTION IN PARTICULAR WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE. WITH A FOUR TO THREE VOTE, THE QUESTION WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SURVEY.

AFTER VOTING TO REMOVE THIS QUESTION, THE BOARD VOTED SIX TO ONE TO APPROVE THE SURVEY FOR RELEASE. THE BOARD THEN VOTED SEVEN TO ZERO TO APPROVE THE DANIELS DRAIN FULL DISCLOSURE CERTIFICATE. THIS WILL HELP THE DANIELS DRAIN DISTRICT PAY CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENT COSTS . TUNE INTO THE NEXT TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING ON JULY 20TH.

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.