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[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

[00:01:18]

AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. LET ME I'M JON SARVER. LET ME CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND UH, FIRST

[2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA]

ITEM, AS ALWAYS ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVE OF THE OF THE AGENDA. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UH. ADD ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. OKAY EYES SEEN NONE. UH CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? OKAY SEE NED, SECOND BREAK, KENDRA. ALL IN FAVOR OF IMPROVING THE AGENDA. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY? UH, NEXT. WE HAVE OUR MINUTES. UH ARE

[3. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES]

THERE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? UH HUH. IT SEEMS NO HAND. YEP. OKAY, NED, GO AHEAD. THERE ARE A FEW TYPOS AND THE THINGS THAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MINOR. UM AND MAYBE I'LL JUST SEND A MARKED VERSION TWO LEROI. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO. YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS. CAN I HAVE A. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. OKAY.

ANNA, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? WAYS TO A SECOND. OH, THERE'S OKAY, LUCA. THANK YOU. AND ALL IN FAVOUR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. AND, UH WE'RE, UH OH PUBLIC REMARKS. OKAY, WE'RE AT THE PUBLIC REMARKS AGAIN. IT'S A GOOD THING. I LOOK. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD MAKE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? OKAY, UH AND WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. AT THE END OF THE MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENTS. MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME

[5A. Welcome Tim Schmitt, Meridian’s new Director of Community Development and Planning]

OUR NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR TIM SMITH. UH TIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KIND OF INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS? SO WE'RE GLAD TO SEE YOU IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP. THANKS, JOHN. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. UM. SO I MY NAME'S TIM OSMAN. I'VE BEEN IN MID MICHIGAN NOW, UH.

LITTLE OVER A DECADE. I LIVE. UH I CAN SEE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP FROM MY WINDOW HERE. I JUST OUTSIDE THE TOWNSHIP. WE ARE WE BOUGHT DURING THE INSANE. HOUSING BUBBLE THAT WE'RE ENTERING NOW, BUT WE'VE GONE JUST BEFORE IT SO WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A LITTLE BIT. UM I HAVE HAD A BIT OF AN ENVIRONMENT. I'M A PLANNER BY TRADE. I A BUILT ENVIRONMENT GUY. UH I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE BUILDING CODE IN THE ENGINEERING STUFF VERY WELL, BUT I HAD ENVIRONMENTAL STREET MY WHOLE CAREER. I AM. MINORED IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE ALMOST WENT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW AROUND IN COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, STARTED OFF IN A COMMUNITY HAD A EVEN STRONGER WETLANDS ORDINANCE, I WOULD ARGUE THAN ALREADY IN TOWNSHIP. UH, CANADA GEESE LANSING GOT ON THE BOARD OF MICHIGAN ENERGY OPTIONS, THE OLDEST ENERGY NONPROFIT IN THE STATE, AND I'M STILL ON THAT. I'VE GOT ONE MORE YEAR IN MY TERM. UM I DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR NOW. I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE TO WORK WHEN I WAS IN EAST LANSING. SO I. HAVE TRIED TO LIVE AND BREATHE THIS STUFF MY ENTIRE CAREER. AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE MERIDIAN TOWN 15 YEARS. LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AND, UM, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS

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THAT WE CAN KEEP DOING. UM. I AM JUST TRYING TO KEEP MY HEAD ABOVE WATER RIGHT NOW AS I AM DRINKING FROM A FIREHOSE, MR KISSEL BLOCK WAS AS I'VE SAID TO MULTIPLE BOARDS, UM, AN INSTITUTION IN THE MICHIGAN, AN INSTITUTION AND PLANNING IN THE STATE. AND I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO, UH, FULFILL HIS SHOES. I AM TRYING TO FIND MY OWN PATH. SO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY ANYTIME LEROI CALLS ME ON THIS ONE, I WILL POP BACK OVER HIS, UH. ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF DOES HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART AND.

ALTHOUGH I'D LOVE TO STAY AND JOIN YOU THIS EVENING, MY DAUGHTER WAS ASKING WHERE I WAS LAST NIGHT. UM. FIRST TOWNSHIP BOARD MEETING AWAY FROM THE HOUSE IN A WHILE, SO I AM GOING TO JUMP OFTEN DO BEDTIMES AND I, UH BUT WE'LL LOVE TO WORK WITH THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE ABOUT ME. THANK YOU, TIM. THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, AND WE'RE JUST LIKE I SAID, GLAD THAT YOU JOINED. THEY'RE ALREADY IN TOWNSHIP FAMILY HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE LETTING YOU OFF THE HOOK THIS TIME. I DON'T SEE HANDS RIGHT? BUT I LIKE TO SEE THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SEE.

I'M VERY EASY TO GO TO HOLD OFF. IF YOU CAN'T GET ME, YOU KNOW, GET GET HOLD OF LITTLE ROY AND HE'LL HE'LL FIND ME. WE'RE RIGHT DOWN THE HALLWAY AND SO TRACK YOU DOWN. GOOD HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. UH WELL, I'M SURE WE'LL BE SEEING YOU IN THE FUTURE ABSOLUTELY DONE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING CARE. AND NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION OF

[5B. Wetland Preservation & Stewardship Discussion]

WETLAND PRESERVATION STEWARDSHIP. AND I'D LIKE TO ANSWER KENDRA TO KIND OF INTRODUCE THE TOPIC. KENDRA, DID YOU, UH, GET US STARTED? YEAH. SURE I CAN GET STARTED.

UM SO IT'S YOU KNOW, OVER 25% OF OUR TOWNSHIP IS VIOLENCE, AND IT'S A VERY PRECIOUS.

ECOSYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT PROTECTING. AND UM I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE WETLAND CODE AND ORDINANCES AND, UM SO. UH TRUSTEE WINS AND SKI AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AND I'M MY ASKS TRUST. UM YOU KNOW, COURTNEY TO STEP IN HERE AND BABY, TAKE BELIEVE DONE THIS DISCUSSION, PLEASE. HI EVERYBODY. YES, SORRY, I'M.

STRUGGLING WITH TECHNOLOGY TODAY. IT'S ALL DAY EVERY DAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT NONETHELESS SO YEAH, I'M SUPER EXCITED. UM. TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS. I WILL SAY THAT YOU KNOW, I. UNFORTUNATELY HAD NOT BEEN VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE WETLAND ORDINANCE. BUT IN TALKING TO KENDRA AND OTHERS AND THEN ALSO WITH. UM SOME OF THAT THE DEVELOPERS COMING TO THE BOARD WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS. INDOOR LAND USE. UM I'VE BEEN LOOKING AND FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. UM YEAH. I? YEAH. WAS REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH RESIDENTS AS WELL AS WITH SOME OF THE LAND USE DECISIONS THAT ARE COMING TO THE BOARD. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR ME. I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL WELL APPRISED, BUT FANTASTIC FOR ME AND IN SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS, UM TO MAYBE. LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. UM AND SEE WHAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION ARE. AND THEN MAYBE DETERMINED I DID TALK WITH, UM. DIRECTOR KISSABLE BEFORE HE LEFT ABOUT HOW THIS ORDINANCE IS BEING IMPLEMENTED, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME GAPS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT AS A COMMISSION ON HOW HE MAY IMPROVE THOSE GAPS, BUT. AS KENDRA MENTIONED, WE ARE 25% WETLANDS, AND I KNOW THE MORE WE DEVELOPED. THE MORE I BECOME AWARE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING THOSE WETLANDS. LEROI AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE WETLAND MAPS.

UH, UM, WE'RE TALKING WITH OUR GREAT FRIENDS AT EAGLE DETERMINING LIKE WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS THAT WERE IN MOURNING TOWNSHIP. AND THEN AS WE DEVELOP AND PROBABLY DEVELOPED RELATIVELY QUICKLY, UM HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENSURING THAT THAT WETLAND PROTECTION ORDINANCES AS BEING UM, FOLLOWED IN THAT UP OFF US AS AN ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN TO PROTECT THOSE PRECIOUS LANDS? SO I KIND OF JUST THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD. MORE FOR MY OWN. INFORMATION BUT ALSO, UM, TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING

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WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENT DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE DO WE NEED TO FAMILIARIZE WITHIN COORDINATES? ARE WE MISSING ANYTHING? I THINK, UH, LEROI. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THE LAST ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD. WAS IN 19. IT WAS ADOPTED IN 1991, BUT I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT SINCE 2010. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT, AND WE HAD SOME SUGGESTED LEGAL CHANGES. UM. THAT WE HAVE INTENDED TO RUN BY THE BOARD. AT THE SAME TIME, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA FOR POLICY CHANGES. WE NEVER OFFICIALLY ADOPTED THOSE CHANGES. SO WE MET AT THE LEAST WE SHOULD KIND OF GO BACK AND BRING OURSELVES UP TO. UM, UM, UH, UP TO SPEED ON THAT. YEAH. SO, UM AND I PUT INTO THE MEMO THAT I THINK INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. UM WHAT I GATHERED FROM THE ORDINANCE ITSELF THAT OUR ROLE IS AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE LOSING WETLANDS AS WE GO AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENSURING BOTH AT A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL? AS WELL AS A DEVELOPER LEVEL THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THESE WETLANDS AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD BE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HELPFUL IF I IF I WALK THROUGH THOSE, OR I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW IT, IT MIGHT BE HELP FOR THIS POINT TO, UH TO HIGHLIGHT. UH MAYBE CERTAIN FUNCTIONS. UH CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THERE SHOULD BE CERTAIN PRIORITIES. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS JUST FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ON THE, UH, THE COMMISSION IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE. ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, APPLICATIONS COME IN FRONT OF US, WHICH WE'VE, UH, KIND OF DEALT WITH AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, AND JUST VERY RECENTLY AFTER REALLY IT.

CANBERRA'S, UH, KIND OF SUGGESTION. WE DID THE BROCHURE. AND DID YOU KNOW WHICH IS, I THINK A GOOD EFFORT WITH RESPECT TO EDUCATION. UH YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE RESPONSIBILITIES LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. UH IT'S PRETTY BROAD IN THE EXTENSIVE, BUT, UH YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF FROM FROM HAVING JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS AND ALSO THE ISSUE TO FROM. FROM YOUR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, UH. AH YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. UM YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO I CAN GO THROUGH KIND OF OUR WHAT IS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT. IS OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. UM BUT I THINK YOU KIND OF HIT ON IT, JOHN, THAT. LOT OF IT, I THINK AND I SAID PERSONALLY, NOT FROM A BOARD MEMBER FROM A RESIDENT JUST THAT EDUCATION, PEACE. HOW CAN WE GET THIS INFORMATION OUT? NOT JUST TO RESIDENTS, WHICH I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT MIGHT BE MORE DIFFICULT TO, UM. TO ENFORCE BUT ALSO FOR DEVELOPERS IN FOUR, UM, STAFF AT THE AT THE TOWNSHIP LEVEL AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE ORDINANCES. WHAT ARE YOU KNOW WHAT IS EXPECTED? AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? UM, WHEN WE YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOTICE SOMETHING THAT, UM, COULD BE AFFECTING THE WETLANDS. AND HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM, I GUESS AND I FEEL LIKE WE COULD BE SUCH A GOOD SOUNDING BOARD IN A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME. WHEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS AMONGST THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID UM. IT SAYS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. IT SAYS THAT OUR WE'VE GOT A RESPONSIBILITY TO ADVISE THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE DRAFTER. ON WETLAND USE PERMITS APPEALS OF WHAT LAY UNUSED PERMITS AND MITIGATION PLANS. SO HAD YOU HAD A QUESTION WITH THAT? SO, JOHN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW THINGS COME THROUGH. I'M SO VERY NEW. UM HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? UM I DID TALK TO DIRECTOR KISSEL BACK ABOUT WHEN THOSE THINGS COME TO US. AND THEN YOU KNOW, WHEN DO WE PROVIDE THAT ADVICE BACK TO WHETHER IT BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE BOARD. TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. AND HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE PROCESS? WELL, YOU KNOW, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, AND SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMISSION LONGER THAN I HAD PROBABLY WANT TO ADD IN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE

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WOULD SEE AN APPLICATION AND ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION WOULD BE A REPORT FROM OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. SO IT WAS. IT WAS KIND OF TO ME A PRETTY GOOD PACKAGE OF, UH, WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED? AND UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSULTANT THOUGHT. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHETHER ALTERNATIVES HAD REALLY BEEN FULLY EXPLORED BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES AND, UH. EXPLORED AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S THE WHOLE ISSUE OF WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. MEAN THAT CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD KIND OF REVIEW ALL THAT MATERIAL PRESENTED TO US. UH A SITE VISIT WAS, UH KIND OF ARRANGED.

WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL TO GO OUT. AND ACTUALLY, WHEN, REMEMBER. DON'T AND KIND OF SEE WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN, OF COURSE LEAD BACK TO, UH. DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION AND NO RECOMMENDATION BY US. UM I KNOW THERE WAS, UH UM, DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, TOO, BECAUSE. AH, SOME OF US WERE SURPRISED THAT NOT ALL. UH DECISIONS. UH KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS SOMEWHERE. JUST BASICALLY, UH, DECIDED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. UNDER CERTAIN SITUATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, NED AND BILL I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN I HAVE. I BET YOU HAD SOME. UH, KIND OF INSIGHTS TO SHARE. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT RECAP. JOHN YOU YOU HIT THE PROCESS AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE'VE HAD AND THAT'S EXACTLY MY EXPERIENCE. UM. I THINK FROM, UM THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE HAVE INVITED THE TOWNSHIP SWELLING CONSULTANT TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE MITIGATION EFFORTS. AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM FROM OUR CONSULTANT IS THAT THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO USE THE BOND. TO REPAIR A PROBLEM WITH THE WEAPON THAT THOSE WHETHER MITIGATION EFFORTS HAVE SUCCEEDED. UM AND. MM I WOULD ADD TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD'S POSITION THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS ESTABLISHED POLICY GOAL OF NO NET LOSS. AND IF ALL OF THE MITIGATION HAS EXCEEDED, THE, UH, AREA THAT WAS IMPACTED, AND IT HAS ALL SUCCEEDED THEN BY THAT MEASURE. IT SUGGESTS THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING THE BOARD'S POLICY GOAL. HOWEVER WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND SORT OF DEBATES ABOUT HOW, UM. VALID A WETLAND. UH, REPLACEMENT IS WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS WELL, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE. UH THE IMPACT OF FORGIVEN. AREA OF DEVELOPMENT BY EXTENDING A WETLAND THAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM. ETCETERA AND YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS. WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO ESTABLISH AN EFFECTIVE WETLAND THAT DELIVERS THE SERVICES THAT YOU KNOW THAT A NATURAL ONE DOES, OR AT LEAST THAT ONE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE? AND THAT'S UH THAT'S A REALLY HARD THING TO EVALUATE. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY REAL ANSWERS. BUT BUT THE DIALOGUE HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME. THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM. THERE IS A LIMIT ON THE SIZE. I MEAN, WHAT IS IT A QUARTER ACRE, I GUESS IS WHAT TRIGGERS AN ACTUAL, UM.

ANALYSIS OF THE PROBLEM. SO IN PRINCIPLE, IF SOMEBODY YOU KNOW IT'S JUST SHOVELING DIRT IN A IN A LOW SPOT IN THEIR BACKYARD. UM THAT'S NOT KIND OF BIG ENOUGH TO. BECAUSE, UH, THAT TOWNSHIP TO REVIEW IT. BUT IN GENERAL WHAT? WHAT MY EXPERIENCE ON THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN UM. PRETTY MUCH THAT WE RELIED ON THE CONSULTANTS. TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO ASSESS IN DETAIL WHAT THAT WHAT THE ISSUES WERE. AND THEN WHEN WE WALKED THE SITE WITH THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT IN HAND. WE WOULD ASK VARIOUS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. UM AND GO FROM THERE. AND THE OTHER THING IS IN GENERAL. NOT ALWAYS. BUT IN GENERAL THE BOARD PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTED. WHATEVER OUR OUR ADVICE WAS. AND MY RECOLLECTION IS TWO WERE PRETTY MUCH DIDN'T FIND ANY FAULT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. IT SEEMED, UM AS AT LEAST MY RECOLLECTION AND EVERYTHING SEEMS. UM YOU KNOW, OKAY. UH THE OTHER THING I SEEM TO RECALL TWO IS THAT YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS WHEN THESE

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APPLICATIONS CAME BEFORE US, IT ENDED UP BEING AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF INVASIVE SPECIES AND. IN KIND OF OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS. UH MAYBE THEY GET RID OF SOME IN INVASIVE SPECIES AND GET SOME NATIVE PLANTS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS KIND INTO THE WETLAND AS AS PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. UH, THE OTHER THING TO SOME OF YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE WE HAD ACTUALLY A FAIRLY LONG DISCUSSION OVER MANY MEETINGS ABOUT A, UH WHAT LAND BANK. BANK BEING BASICALLY FOR KIND OF SMALLER PROJECTS THAT, UH, MAYBE WE COULD MAKE SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NATURE PRESERVES. AND ACTUALLY CONVERT THEM BACK THE WETLANDS OR MAKE THEM WITH PLANS AND THAT THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO, UH. GENERATE SOME RESOURCES IN AND SO MAYBE A REAL SMALL KIND OF MARGINAL WETLAND PROJECT. UH RATHER THAN MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT OR MITIGATION, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY JUST. KIND OF GET CREDIT FROM THE KIND OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAD ACTUALLY BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT. UH, JUST LIKE ONE OF OUR NATURE PRESERVE, BUT, UH, LET ME OPEN IT UP TO ANNA. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY. SO YOU SAID THAT THE BOARD WANTS, YOU KNOW NET LOSS. SO WE'RE SAYING THAT SINCE THE POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE, THERE IS NOT GOING TO A NET LOSS OF WETLANDS, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WETLANDS. WELL I THINK YOU KNOW. BY BY BY DEFINITION, UH, YOU KNOW IF, UH, DEVELOPER COMES DO US, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE BOOK COUNTY OF OKAY. THEY HAVE TO, UH THERE HAS TO BE NO, THAT LOSS. AND SO NOW, THERE MAY BE THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE, OF COURSE THAT ARE KNOWN IN THAT, UH AND AS NED POINTS OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT. EARLIER WETLANDS THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY REGULATED BY THE TOWNSHIP. SO WE COULD, UH, ACTUALLY BE HAVING ON THAT LOSS. UH BUT CERTAINLY IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF, UH. ANY ACTIONS ON OUR PART. UH YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE OFFICIAL PROCESS. UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NEVER NEVER LEAVES TO A NET LOSS. OKAY? AND TO ADD TO THAT, ANNA FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND KENDRA, CERTAINLY, UM MUCH MORE WELL VERSED IN THE ORDINANCE. SO FOR MERIDIAN. WE HAVE, UM, EXTENDED AND, UM. AND, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF THE BEST WORD, BUT WE'VE MADE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE. TWO EAGLES REGULATION OF A TWO ACRE WETLAND TO APPOINT TO FRIDAY OR WELL AND SO MERIDIAN HAS ADOPTED MORE STRINGENT POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED A REGULATED WEAPONS. MM HMM. AND WITH THAT THE BOARD HAD ADOPTED THAT WHEN WE ARE MITIGATING THE WETLAND, SO LET'S SAY WE DO HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT DOES HAVE TO IMPACT A WETLAND OF SOME SORT. THE MITIGATION HAS TO BE AT A RATIO OF 2 TO 1. SO IF WE YOU KNOW, WE. IF WE IMPACT ONE ACRE THAN THAT DEVELOPER AND OR WHOMEVER'S IMPACTING IT WELL AND HAS TO RE ESTABLISHED TWO ACRES OF WETLANDS. UH AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK, UM, I THINK NED YOU MENTIONED IS THAT OR MAYBE JOHN, WHERE THAT WETLAND BANK MIGHT BE MORE.

EFFECTIVE LONG TERM WHERE WE WORK TO GET SOME OF THIS MITIGATION GOING TOWARDS A MORE, UM, A LARGER IN MAY A MORE EFFECTIVE WETLAND, THEN JUST. YOU KNOW, CREATING A WETLAND THAT MAY NOT MAY TAKE SOME TIME AS WELL AS NOT MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THOSE BENEFITS THAT A LARGER WETLAND MIGHT PROVIDE. YOU KNOW THE OTHER ISSUE? I THINK THAT, UH YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE, BUT IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE WETLANDS, THEIR BACKYARD AND. MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THEY'RE WETLANDS, AND THEY DO FILLINGS FILLING AND YOU KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE? UH AND SO YOU KNOW, I'D BE SURPRISED THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN SOME LOSS OF WETLANDS, EITHER, BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW OR PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE. SO THAT THAT SEEMS SO HOW MUCH. LIKE THAT HAS HAPPENED. WHO KNOWS? RIGHT? UH BUT THAT SEEMS KIND OF REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME, UH. ACTIONS TAKEN BY HOMEOWNER. UH YEAH, WORKED APPROPRIATE. SAW

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KOENDERS HAND UP SEVERAL TIMES. YEAH YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL. UM, YEAH. YES JOHN.

I HAVE EVER AGREED WITH YOU THAT FOLKS MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON WETLANDS. I THINK THAT'S FOR THE EDUCATION PORTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM AND MAY BE CAUSING SOME DAMAGE THEY DON'T REALIZE AND SOME DON'T CARE. UM AND THEN ALSO WHAT THAT WAS SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW IF WE THINK ABOUT THE WETLANDS AS KIDNEYS. YOU KNOW, AND THAT THE FILTER THINGS THROUGH. UM YOU KNOW OUR NATURAL KIDNEYS LIKE IN OUR BODIES, YOU KNOW, UM, OPERATE BETTER THAN YOU KNOW, ONE KIDNEY OR HAVING TO GET A TRANSPLANT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND SO THE WETLANDS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE LEFT, YOU KNOW, ARE FUNCTIONING. UM UH, ARE MORE STRESSED, UM, AND THIS IS REALLY AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUE. UM AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS. UM, AND WHY WE DO HAVE A. YOU KNOW, STRONGER ORDINANCE HERE.

NOT ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE QUARTER ACRE, BUT ALSO THAT THE NATURAL, UM THE VEGETATION BUFFER THE 20 FT NATURAL VEGETATION BUMPER BECAUSE THOSE DEEP ROOTED SYSTEMS HELP PROTECT THOSE WETLANDS THERE ARE ARE WORKING HARDER. SO DO YOU CAN ALMOST THINK ABOUT THOSE AS THE MEDICATION TO HELP THE WETLAND FUNCTION BETTER WITH THE ONE BUSY AS IF WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS THAT WE'VE LOST, UM, IT HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT AND OVER. YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF YEARS HERE AND THEN HOW MUCH WE'VE HAD LOST OVER THE LAST DECADE. YOU KNOW THAT'S KIND OF QUESTIONABLE BASED ON THE MAP. SO YOU KNOW THIS REALLY IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUE. AND IF WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN MIDLAND. YOU KNOW, MIDLAND.

PART OF THAT ISSUE WAS INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT WAS ALSO A LOSS OF WETLANDS. UM AND IF WE, YOU KNOW IF WE'RE OVER 25% WETLANDS HERE, AND WE'VE HAD DRY SEASONS HERE THE LAST COUPLE SEASONS. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD A LOT OF RAINS IN THE KIND OF FLOODING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS? THAT COULD BE, UM, PROBLEMATIC FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE? OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW ONE THING TOO. I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, ADDRESS TO, YOU KNOW, AS UH WHAT? WHAT IS A WHAT KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS? I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE. THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE BETTER. CERTAINLY, WE COULD DO MORE EDUCATION. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ALMOST SOLID ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WE DEAL WITH. THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN, BUT ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FURTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ON NEXT STEPS. TOM? YEAH THANKS, JOHN. UM ONE THING THAT I DID THIS AFTERNOON TO KIND OF PREPARE FOR THIS DISCUSSION WAS TO LOOK AT THE STATE REGULATIONS. IN IN COMPARE, UH, THOSE WITH THE MERIDIAN ORDINANCE AND ONE THING THAT I DISCOVERED IS THAT ONE OF THE STATE REGULATIONS IS THAT. THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND HAS TO BE THE SAME DEFINITION. UH THAT THE STATE USES AND I ALSO DISCOVERED AND. KIND OF WORKED ON THOSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE STATE ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND BACK IN 2000 AND 18. WHICH TOOK EFFECT IN MARCH OF 2019, SO TECHNICALLY, AND MAYBE THIS WAS ONE OF THE, UH, LEGAL ISSUES THAT. LEROI WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO THE MERIDIAN ORDINANCE IS TO UPDATE THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND. TO MEET THE STATE DEFINITION. UM UNFORTUNATELY, A COUPLE OF YEARS WELL IN 2000 AND 18. THEY. I WOULD SAY LESSENED THE DEFINITION IF YOU WILL, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE CONDUCIVE FOR POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. BUT FROM A LEGAL ASPECT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO UPDATE THE MERIDIAN ORDINANCE, UH, TO EQUAL THAT DEFINITION OF WETLAND THAT THE STATE CURRENTLY HAVE. YEAH, AND MY, UH I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT HAD BEEN PREPARED TO, UH, INCORPORATE THE STATE CHANGES. UH, SO YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL KIND OF LAID OUT TO US. HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR US TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE, THE STATE NOW IN THOSE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T UH, I GUESS OFFICIALLY

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GET ADOPTED. BILL. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE UH HUH. I REALLY APPRECIATE TOM'S TOM'S COMMENTS ON THE DEFINITIONAL ISSUE. UM ONE OF THEM THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION RECENTLY WAS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT WETLANDS, ONE OF THE KEY CRITERIA IS PRESIDENTS OF WHAT ONE SPECIES. POWER PLANTS AND ANIMALS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF PROPERTY HAS HISTORICALLY HAD ITS LAND COVER CHANGED FROM SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A WETLAND SPECIES TO SAVE A LAWN. THEN AT THAT POINT, IT IS NO LONGER REGULATED BECAUSE THE PLANTS THAT ARE THERE ARE NO LONGER CONSIDERED WETLAND SPECIES. AND, UM. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE MATTER TO GO BACK IN TIME AND UNDERSTAND HOW LAND COVER CHANGED, BUT. THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WHERE WORK HAS BEENN RECEIVED FOR WORK IN A FLOODPLAIN THAT YOU WOULD PAINT THE FLOODPLAIN WOULD BE A WETLAND. BUT IF THE FLOODPLAIN HAS BEEN, UH, CONVERTED TO SOMETHING MORE. RESIDENTIAL UH THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER MEET THE CRITERIA FOR BEING A WEAPON BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE PRESENCE OF WEAPONS SPECIES. MM. WORKING. MM. THANKS, FELON.

AND, UH, TOM, THAT. SO I AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. LOOKING AT THE UPDATED, UM, DEFINITION OF A WETLAND. HOWEVER I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT AS A TOWNSHIP. WE COULD BE MORE STRINGENT. UM YOU KNOW, AS AS A STATE EMPLOYEE AS WELL. UM, IT. I WONDER HOW PROTECTIVE SOME OF THOSE REGULATIONS IN ORDINANCES ARE. UM SO I CERTAINLY SUPPORT LOOKING AT THAT. BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, JUST. BE, UM, I GUESS CONFORM TO THEIR DEFINITION, BUT AT LEAST LOOK AT THEIRS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMISSION AND HOW DO WE FEEL WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN THIS TOWNSHIP? AND THEN SPEAK INTO NATURAL VEGETATION. AND YOU KNOW, OVER TIME. I WONDER IF. SO WE TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION AND THEN WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT YET, BUT IF YOU KNOW WE HAVE EVEN. JUST A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS OR OR EVEN MORE THAT AREN'T UNDERSTANDING THE ORDINANCE AND ARE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SOME OF THOSE THOSE SETBACKS INTO LAWN? AND NOW THEY'RE NOT CONSISTING OF THOSE NATURAL VEGETATION. HOW DO WE KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? RIGHT SO WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE IT DOES GET TRICKY, LIKE HE SAID. TOM AND BILL THAT. SO WE GO OUT THERE AND NOW THE NATURAL VEGETATION ISN'T THERE, BUT IT WAS AT ONE TIME. HOW DO WE STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE WETLANDS WE HAVE NOW DON'T TURN INTO LAWN AND OR SOME OTHER THINGS, JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT ME MYSELF, WASN'T. FULLY EDUCATED ON WHAT A WETLAND WAS. WHAT A SETBACK WAS, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL LIKE I COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON THAT TO PROVE PREVENT THAT IN THE FUTURE, I SUPPOSE. I WONDER, TOO. IS THERE BEEN MOST KIND OF YOU KNOW WHAT PLAYING WEIRD DEVELOPED A LONG TIME AGO NOW, RIGHT? AND, UH. THE PROBABLY, I'M JUST ASKING THIS QUESTION. I WOULD GUESS AT NO POINT IN TIME HAVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THEY HAD, UH. UH PROPERTY AND THE WETLAND MAP? UH BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT WASN'T DONE JUST BECAUSE OF. IT WOULD BE SUCH A BIG TASK, BUT I DON'T KNOW. DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT? WAS THERE ANY EVER NOTIFICATION DONE OF. THAT YOU? YOU GOT A WETLAND? KENDRA, KENDRA. YES.

UM, IT COMES WITH THE TAX BILL. THERE'S A LITTLE NOTICE THAT COMES WITH THE TAX BOOK. UM, ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE ON A WETLAND OR NOT. I MEAN, YOU MOST CERTAINLY CAN TELL A WETLAND BY LOOKING AT IF YOU'RE EDUCATED ABOUT IT MOST CERTAINLY, BUT THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO RAISE IT TO EDUCATE ITS RESIDENTS. IN THAT IN THAT TAX BILL, AND THAT'S THAT'S LITERALLY IN THE CODE. IF YOU READ THROUGH THE CODE, IT'S LITERALLY IN THE CODE. AND IT SAYS THAT, UM AND INTO BILL AND TIMES POINT, I THINK ABOUT LIKE. IF THINGS WERE CHANGED IN 2018, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE WETLANDS, UM, THAT THEY WERE FILLED IN. WELL MY GUESS IS AT SOME POINT IN TIME LIKELY BEFORE 2018. THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENCE OF, YOU KNOW. VEGETATION IN HABITAT. UM, THAT WAS WETLAND, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT DEFINITION CHANGED SOME HOUSE ALONG THE WAY, UM DID THAT MAGICALLY ALL HAPPENED IN 2018

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THAT PEOPLE PUT LAWNS IN? I DOUBT IT. I THINK THAT PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EITHER DIDN'T KNOW OR WERE INTENTIONALLY CHOOSING NOT TO. UM AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK, UH, IN CHOOSING POTENTIAL, CHOOSING TO MAKE THAT INTO LAN AND I THINK, UM. YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN IT GETS A LOT OF RAIN, AND I CAN TELL YOU AS A PERSON WHO LIVES ON THE WETLANDS, UM IN A SPOT WHERE SOMEONE TURNS THAT INTO ON LIKE IT'S GOING TO GET RIDICULOUSLY WET. AND UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FLOODING, SO IT'S GOING TO STILL SHOW UP. UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. UM AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW THOSE WETLAND MAPS. AERIAL MAPS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, AND I AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE. PEOPLE HAD DIFFERENT VALUES WHEN MAYBE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE. MAYBE SOME, THE LEADERSHIP AT THE STATE HAS SOME DIFFERENT VALUES, UM, RELATED TO THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE LEADERSHIP MAYBE NOW DOESN'T MAYBE HAVE THOSE SAME VALUES AND MOST CERTAINLY ON A FEDERAL LEVEL AND ON A STATE LEVEL ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IS THE BIG DEAL. AND IF WE HAVE ANY. CHANCE OF ADDRESSING ISSUES RELATED TO ENVIRONMENT. UM CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU KNOW, THE WETLANDS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT, UM, EARLIER TODAY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ARE SOME POSITIVE IMPACTS THAT WE CAN HAVE RELATED TO ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE? WELL, PROTECTING THE WETLANDS. THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE, SO I'M HOPING WE CAN LOOK AT THIS ISSUE FURTHER. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS, TOO. AND MAYBE TIME YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT, UH, I WOULD KIND OF ASSUME WHEN THE DEFINITION WAS CHANGED IT.

MAYBE IT WAS JUST DONE IN THE REGULATIONS OR IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? MAYBE THERE WAS DONE IN LAW. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS DONE IN STATUTE. UM AND, UH, WHEN, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE EAGLE WEBSITE TODAY, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, AS FAR AS LOCAL UNITS OF GOVERNMENT. HAVING WETLAND ORDINANCES ONE OF THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND DOES HAVE TO BE THE SAME. DEFINITION THAT THE STATE USES UM SO. YEAH, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG. I AM STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF PRESERVING WETLANDS. BUT I THINK FOR OUR ORDINANCE. TO BE ENFORCEABLE. WE DO NEED TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD DOES NEEDS TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. UH IN ORDER TO CONFORM WITH. EXISTING REQUIREMENTS AND STATE LAW. TIME. EVEN YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS.

YOU KNOW WHEN THEY APPLICATION COMES IN, BASICALLY, THEY'RE USING THE SAME FORMS TO SEND TO THE TOWNSHIP. IS THERE THE STATE. DRAFT AND THAT'S FOR OBVIOUS REASONS TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR EVERYBODY IF IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO BE STATE REGULATED. THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHY DON'T THEY USE THE SAME FORM? HE EITHER FOR A SMALL ONE THAT ISN'T STATE REGULATED, OR MAYBE NOT. WE DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER. WELL, ANYWAY, TIME. UH DO YOU KNOW? WAS THERE ANYTHING BESIDES THE DEFINITION? THAT KIND OF, UH. CONSTRAINTS THE TOWNSHIP FOR HOW WE DO THINGS. UM NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. UH THERE THERE IS, UM, KENNETH, SOME STIPULATIONS.

UH AS FAR AS REGULATING WETLANDS, UH, UNDER TWO ACRES IN SIZE, AND IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT A LOCAL UNIT OF GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT, UH, IF THEY HAVE THE, UH, LOCAL ORDINANCE IN PLEASE. BUT IT DOES SAY, AND STATE REGULATIONS THAT LET ME JUST READ IT HERE. IT'S A UM IT SAYS, UH, MUST GRANT OF PERMIT. UNLESS IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE WETLAND IS ESSENTIAL TO THE PRESERVATION OF THE COMMUNITIES, NATURAL RESOURCES AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO DETERMINED THAT IT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE COMMUNITIES, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THAT'S WHY MERIDIAN AND IN NUMEROUS OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE. DO REGULATE. UH SMALLER WETLANDS. UM, BUT. AND I THINK THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE TO THAT. IT SPELLS OUT THAT ONE OF THE

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STIPULATIONS IS THAT, UM, IT'S ESSENTIAL TO THE PRESERVATION OF. THE TOWNSHIPS, NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT SO I THINK WE'RE FINE THERE. UM THE ONLY THING AGAIN THE ONLY GLARING THING I SOFT WAS JUST THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND. NEEDED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE DEFINITIONS. SO AGAIN, I THINK, EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE WISE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND THAT WAS WHEN WE DID HAVE THAT KIND OF UPDATED LANGUAGE PRESENTED TO US THAT WAS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED BEST. THE DEFINITION HAD CHANGED, OKAY? I WAS JUST GOING TO UNDERLINE, UH TOM'S COMMENT ABOUT THE ESSENTIAL ITTY DETERMINATION. AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S RARE THAT THE BOARD DECIDES THAT A WETLAND IS NOT ESSENTIAL, AND TYPICALLY, IT'S VERY SMALL AND DEGRADED.

IT'S A ROADSIDE DITCH. FOR THE MOST PART THAT THAT PROCESS IS WELL IN TRYING TO WORK IN OUR PROCESS. HI. THERE GOING WELL HERE. UM, NOW IS THE DEFINITION WATERED DOWN. FROM THE STATE DEFINITION. THAT'S MY QUESTION. YEAH. GO AHEAD, TOM. WELL, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE INTENT OF THE CHANGE OF THE STATE CHANGE, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WAS TO WATER DOWN THE DEFINITION SLIGHTLY. DON'T THINK IT'S DRASTICALLY WATERED DOWN, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE BILL SPONSORS THAT INTENT ORIGINALLY AND THEN THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS. UH, WITH, UH.

VARIOUS INTEREST GROUPS. YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED, BUT I THINK IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE. MOST MOST PEOPLE ACCEPTED IT. UM I WOULD SAY IT'S STILL MAYBE SLIGHTLY WATERED DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS DEFINITION. AND. OUR PREVIOUS DEFINITION IN THE MERIDIAN ORDINANCE, I NOTICED WAS IDENTICAL TO THE FORMER STATE DEFINITIONS SO. WELL, AND I'M GUESSING TIME. I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT IT PROBABLY HAD THE CHANGES APPARENTLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH FARMERS WHO HAD MADE CHANGES TO THEIR LAND. PROBABLY FOR A LONG TIME AGO, AND YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO, UH. AVOID PROBLEMS WITH FARMERS HAVE BEEN MATED CHANGES THAT IT WOULD BE HARD YOU'RE MAYBE REVERSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GUESSING, BUT YOU KNOW. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE IMPETUS FOR THE CHANGE IN DEFINITION, BUT, UH. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SPECULATING, BUT IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW ONE THING THAT LET'S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT NEXT STEPS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS IS A AN ONGOING DISCUSSION. I THINK. ONE THAT SEEMS OBVIOUS TO ME IS THAT THE STATE CHANGES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN OUR ORDINANCE. UH IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE WAS. KIND OF DONE BY SOMEBODY WHO KIND OF KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, I THINK, AND SO I PUT THAT ON OUR TO DO LIST. WHAT OTHER SUGGESTIONS TO PEOPLE HAVE FOR, UH, KIND OF NEXT IMMEDIATE STEPS. I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OTHER I MEAN, EVEN TIM SCHMIDT WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING SAID THAT OH, HE COMES FROM THAT COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE, HE SAID, WITH AN EVEN STRONGER WEAPONS ORDINANCE. SO I GUESS I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT ARE THESE OTHER STRONGER WETLANDS ORDINANCES AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE MAY HAVE TO BECOME STRONGER. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD HELP JIM, COME TO OUR NEXT MEETING. KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH US HIS PAST EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT, OTHERS. OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR NEXT STEPS, BILL. ONE THING THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING MORE ABOUT IS THAT OUR DRAIN COMMISSIONER HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE INSISTENT ON DETENTION BASINS IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND RE DEVELOPMENTS. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE ARE REALLY MEANT TO CONTROL THE VOLUME OF STORM WATER AND NOT, UH, NECESSARILY AIMED AT FUNCTIONAL WEAPONS. SO THAT MAY BE ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE MIGHT IN ORDINANCE OR ANOTHER POLICY. ENCOURAGE UM, THE CREATION OF THINGS THAT AT LEAST FUNCTION THE WAY WE WANT WEAPONS TO FUNCTION, EVEN IF THEY'RE LARGELY ARTIFICIAL, AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AROUND. UM THEY'RE BEING CONSTRUCTED EVERY DAY, EVEN NOW BY LAKE LANSING. SO. THAT MAY BE ANOTHER AREA WHERE THAT THE COMMISSION COULD KIND OF TRYING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON ONLINE.

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THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD APPROACH TO IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT THERE. UH THE APPROACH WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IS TO TRY TO INFLUENCE THE. THE DRAIN COMMISSION AND HOW THEY DO BUSINESS, I GUESS RIGHT? WELL THE DRAIN COMMISSION HAS A, UH. STRONG AUTHORITY TO, UM, UH, IMPOSED, UM, CONDITIONS ON ON PROJECT, BUT THEIR AUTHORITY IS MAINLY DIRECTED TOWARDS CONTROLLING FLOODING. UH HUH. BUT I BELIEVE THERE OR THE CURRENT DRAIN COMMISSIONER IS ALSO VERY MUCH AMENABLE. IF YOU LOOK AT TOWER GARDENS AND, UH, THE DRAIN PROJECT OUT IN FRIEND OR THE MONTGOMERY DRAIN. VERY MUCH AMENDABLE TO NOT JUST LOOKING AT VOLUME BUT ALSO LOOKING AT QUALITY. SO THE PARTNERSHIP THERE WITH THE DRINK, COMMISSIONER, I THINK TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE. THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO, UH, COURTNEY. OR DID YOU ASK YOU? YEAH I WOULD.

THANK YOU. I UH BILLY MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE DREAM COMMISSIONER. AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT YOU JUST MADE WAS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THEIR WHOLE JOB IS RELATED TO FLOODING. BUT IF WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR OVERALL. VOLUME OF WETLANDS THAT ITSELF CONTRIBUTES TO THAT RECHARGE RIGHT. SO IF WE CAN MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE, I THINK THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER WOULD BE. AMENABLE TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, I SAY, BUT BUT I KNOW OUR DRAIN. COMMISSIONER UM LINDEMANN IS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ADVOCATE OF WETLANDS WITH GROSS BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM I'M WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMISSION FEELS, UM ABOUT SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE DEFINITION AND THEN ALSO BECOMING PARTNERS WITH THE DRINK COMMISSIONER THINGS FANTASTIC IDEA. UM, FOR MYSELF. I'D LIKE TO EVEN BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR EXISTING ORDINANCE. AND THEN MAYBE COMPARE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THE SUGGESTION AGAINST. UM UH, MR DIRECTOR SMITH'S. UM, EXPERIENCE WITH HIS PREVIOUS OFFICE. BUT LOOKING AT MAYBE OTHER ORDINANCES AND WHERE WE STAND AND MAYBE THEN WE CAN REVIEW AND THEN. I DON'T KNOW. AS A COMMISSION WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO REVEAL AND THEN MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO EITHER AMENDING THE ORDINANCE AND OR AT LEAST LOOKING FOR GAPS AND WHERE WE MIGHT BE LACKING TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ENTIRE WETLAND VOLUME AS WELL AS WORKING WITH DRINK COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN JON DID WE DO HAVE OUR NEW WETLAND BROCHURE AND KENDRA YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT IT'S ON. OUR SEWER BILL THAT IT COMES ON THAT DESIGNATES WHETHER YOU ARE IN A NATURAL VEGETATION OR IN A WETLAND AREA. IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD GET THAT BROCHURE OUT WITH THAT BILL AS WELL IN THAT WAY? THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE AREAS CAN BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE EDUCATED ON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AND HOW YOU CAN ENJOY YOUR PROPERTY BUT STILL MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR WETLANDS. YES THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK I MEAN EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN THE TAX THE LEFT OUT, I THINK WE WERE ALL HAD DISAPPOINTED THAT IT DIDN'T GO WITH IT OR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL, WENT OUT WITH IT AND JUST SAID THAT WHETHER YOU'RE ON A. WETLAND OR NOT, OR YOU COULD BE VERY YOU COULD LOOK AT THE MAP AT THE TOWNSHIP OFFICE. BUT UM, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, UM, MOST CERTAINLY, UH, WHETHER IT GOES OUT WITH EVERY TAX BILL OR JUST THE TAX BILL OF PROPERTIES CONNECTED TO WETLANDS THAT MOST CERTAINLY WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS BEING EDUCATED, UM, STAFFING, EDUCATED, UM AND WHAT THE ORDINANCES IN MIND YOU RIGHT? LIKE WE JUST SENT YOU 20 PAGES OF THE ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S IN ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? RELATED TO THE WETLANDS BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE RELATED TO THE NATURAL VEGETATION BUFFER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY UNDERWATER FEATURES. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT AREA AND ACTUALLY PROBABLY SHOULD BE PUT IN WITH THE WETLAND, SO IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO FIND AND. THINK THAT'S 47 TO 61 IF I THINK I KNEW MY HEART, UM MOSTLY FUNDS I DO. UNFORTUNATELY I KNOW THAT WHAT WE CALLED MY HEART. UM SO I THINK THAT, UM. YOU KNOW, EDUCATING EVERYBODY AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING THE STAFF IN IN IN WITH THE INTENT THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE DIRECTOR SMITH, WHOSE NEW NUMBER ONE, BUT TO THE ONE THE STEP THAT ALREADY BEEN THERE. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PAGES THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ARE RIGHT. AND HOW DOES EVERY SOMEONE REMEMBER ALL OF THAT? RIGHT AND I KNOW THAT I THINK LEROI WAS WORKING ON SOMETHING

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YOU KNOW FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW TO HAVE LIKE A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET OF THE. ORDINANCES YOU KNOW, TO HELP EDUCATE STAFF AND THE RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK EDUCATION'S THE KEY AND THEN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING EVERYBODY AND THEN ENFORCING. WE HAVE TO ENFORCE.

WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ENFORCEMENT. WELL, CERTAINLY. THEIR THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS.

TOM. YEAH, JUST LASTLY, I KNOW A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, UM. COMPARING THE MERIDIAN ORDINANCE WITH SOME OTHER LOCAL ORDINANCES. UM THERE IS SO A LIST OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LOCAL ORDINANCE, WETLAND ORDINANCES IN PLACE. AND THE EAGLE WEBSITE.

SURPRISINGLY THERE'S ONLY 44 LOCAL UNITS OF GOVERNMENT. STATEWIDE THAT HAVE THEIR OWN WETLAND ORDINANCE, BUT FOUR OF THEM ARE RIGHT HERE AND AIN'T INGHAM COUNTY. ACTUALLY OBVIOUSLY MERIDIAN. DELL HIGH, THE CITY OF EAST LANSING AND WINSTON TOWNSHIP. ALL HAVE, UH, WETLAND ORDINANCES AND THEN. THERE'S NUMEROUS COMMUNITIES IN BOTH OAKLAND COUNTY AND WASHTENAW COUNTY THAT HAVE THEIR OWN LOCAL ORDINANCE. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY PLENTY TO COMPARE OURS WITH. UM BUT FRANKLY, I THINK OURS IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NEVER NEVER HURT TO COMPARE WITH OTHER COMMUNITY IS TO SEE IF THERE ARE THERE ARE ANY GAPS. THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO FILL. LIKE THE SUN COG, YOU KNOW, UM YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION WE HAD WHAT? TWO MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT THAT HOW THEY HAVE THAT THE ONE WATER CAMPAIGN DOWN THERE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, THE WETLANDS HELP KEEP OUR WATER CLEAN, YOU KNOW, AND SO AND I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT WE WANT CLEAN WATER. UM WHAT DO WE ALL AGREE ON? WE WANT CLEAN WATER. WE WANT CLEAN AIR. IT DOES BOTH. UM RIGHT. IT PREVENTS FLOODING IT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK EDUCATING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT LIKE HAVING A REGIONAL. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AND AT SOME CAT, RIGHT, THEY HAVE A REGIONAL. THEY WORK TOGETHER, AND I THINK WE'VE REMEMBER TALKING WITH CLIFF AND LAUREN. YOU KNOW ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT A REGIONAL LEVEL WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS RIGHT SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT AND CROSS BREASTS. THE REGIONS. AND THEN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO ADDRESS. UH WETLAND BOSS AND ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS, TRAILER. YES. KINDER. I JUST YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT WE'RE WE ALSO HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS, SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING ANY ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS, WE MAY BE HAVING. I THINK THE FIRST STEP THIS EDUCATION. YOU KNOW, SO EDUCATING EVERYONE AND THEN, UM, THEN BUYING AND IT HAS TO COME FROM LEADERSHIP. AND THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW I SPENT. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE TRUSTEE LINDSEY EXCUSE SPENDING TIME WITH ME, YOU KNOW TO HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO COME FROM LEADERSHIP. I'M DOWN LIKE SOME, CAG SAID RIGHT TO MAKE THIS A B AND AN IMPORTANT AREA TO ADDRESS. ROY. UM JUST, UM BERNADETTE, AS MENTIONED AN INTEREST IN WATER CONSERVATION. WE HAVE THREE STUDENTS THAT ARE MEETING WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. I THINK WE HAD NO. FOUR WITH AUDREY. AND UM, YOU CAN COME FROM THE TOP, BUT IT CAN ALSO NOT TO SAY THAT THE STUDENTS ARE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THEY'RE THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM. MAY INVOLVED GETTING SOME INPUT FROM. EARTH CLUB AND THE STUDENTS WILL BE, UH, YOU SAID THIS, THE OTHER. THE OTHER ASPECT IS JUST TO THINK ABOUT WETLANDS ARE A PART OF OUR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AS OUR COMMUNITY GARDENS AND ARE. OUR NATURE PRESERVES IN OUR PARKS AND OUR LAWNS AND WE'VE GOT A NICE LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR CODES. THAT CLIFF I'M TRYING COUNTY REGIONAL PLANNING PUT TOGETHER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REVISING OUR. CODE OF ORDINANCES WE MAY WANT TO JUST CONSIDER HAVING THAT IN TANDEM.

BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT. BOTH OF THESE IDEAS. INVOLVING STUDENTS AND,

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YOU KNOW AND INCLUDING OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AUDIT RESULTS AS PART OF THIS CODE REVIEW. YEAH, BUT MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STUDENTS OR SOME OF THE STUDENTS COULD RESPOND. YOU KNOW ONE THING THAT YOU COULD GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO DO IS, UH YOU KNOW HOW THE SCHOOLS HELP US IN OUR EDUCATION EFFORTS BECAUSE THE EDUCATION OF THE COMMUNITY IS A BIG TASK. AND YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS ALONG THOSE LINES DO. DO ANY OF THE STUDENTS ATTENDING HIM ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? LUCA GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, I KNOW THAT EDUCATION REALLY STARTS WITH THE KIDS AND SCHOOLING AND WHATNOT. AND SO I KNOW I'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST OR HAVE ATTENDED CLASSES. IT ARE IN A COMA. SPECIFICALLY THAT, UM, ARE BASED AROUND LIKE OUTDOORS ACTIVITIES AND EXPLORING THE OUTDOORS, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD, UM LIKE BASELINE OF GETTING KIDS OUTDOORS AND SHOWING THEM OUR WETLANDS AND SHOWING THEM HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THE OUTSIDE. BUT I THINK THERE IS MORE THAT WE COULD BE DOING THINGS THROUGH. SPECIFICALLY THE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, THE LOWER LEVELS TO REALLY GOOD JOB OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET THE EARTH CLUB OR SOMETHING. INVOLVED IN TRYING TO GET A CLASS TOGETHER THAT TEACHES MORE ABOUT THE OUTSIDE. YEAH UH, MAN, GO AHEAD. JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN HIGH SCHOOL. UM THAT, UM I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT MY PERCEPTION IS, IS THAT IS THAT. THERE'S REASONABLY GOOD TEACHING ABOUT SORT OF ECOLOGY AND THE THIS THE SYSTEMS THAT NATURE. EMPLOYEES TO CLEAN WATER AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, FILTRATION AND YOU KNOW THE HOW WILDLIFE GETS. BORN AND WET ONES AND SO FORTH. BUT PERHAPS NOT AS MUCH ON THE INTERFACE BETWEEN HUMAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH THINGS LIKE WETLANDS. IN OTHER WORDS, HOW DO UH, OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS ARE WATER DELIVERY SYSTEMS ARE THE FACT THAT WE SALT, THE ROADS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT PRACTICES THAT ARE THAT ARE PART OF, YOU KNOW EXISTING OF A HUMAN COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BEING OVERLAYING ON THE LAND. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH IS THAT? OTHER THAN SORT OF HAND WRINGING. HOW MUCH IS THAT SORT OF FORMALLY DISCUSSED? LOOKS LIKE JOEL HAS AN ANSWER. DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT, UM. YOU KNOW ONE OF THAT LAWNS USE MORE CHEMICALS THAN COMMERCIAL. FARMING AND, YOU KNOW, OKAY, MISS. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY BUSINESS AROUND THE GLOBE. LAW AND COMPANY IS SYNONYMOUS WITH POISONING THE EARTH IN THE AIR, AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE A CLUE. IT ENDS UP IN OUR GROUND IN OUR DRINKING WATER. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GIVES PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO POISON EVERYTHING. AND YOU KNOW, I GOING BACK TO THE. THE DEFINITION BEAUTY AND WATERED DOWN. UM. THE TOWNSHIP VOTED TO PASS SOMETHING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION. COMMITTEE ALL VOTED NO FOR SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, YOU KNOW? FOLLOW THE DOLLARS SOMETHING. SO I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THEM THE INTEGRITY BUT, UM, THE POISONING OF THE EARTH IS. BIG NUISANCE FOR ME BECAUSE I WALK MY DOGS AND EARTH'S. YOU PELLET FERTILIZER AND, UM. NO CHEMICAL PESTICIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL. OH, OKAY. ANYWAY, IT'S HANAKO GO AHEAD. ANKARA. I'M STILL BACK ON THE SUBJECT OF LIKE, WHAT SCHOOL EDUCATION AND ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND STUFF. SO UM, IN ANTI VIOLENT THAT'S LIKE THE ONLY CLASS WHERE WE. THE DROUGHT CYCLES, BUT THEY MAINLY FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL STUFF. NOT AS JEALOUS, SAYING, UM LIKE HOME PESTICIDES AND THAT KIND OF AND. SO WE DO HAVE AN AK ENVIRONMENTAL COURSE THAT'S ONLINE, SO NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WAS. IT WOULD BE YET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PART THREE. UM, SO, UH, WHEN. WHOEVER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FOR LIKE EDUCATION ABOUT, UM, SYSTEMS I ACTUALLY FOR EARTH CLUB LIKE I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH. ON KIND OF THE SYSTEMS OF LIKE. HOW STORMWATER LIKE WORKS, AND THAT WAS KIND OF ERBIL. THAT LINE WAS ALSO TAKING THE 80 MILLION ALL SCIENCE COURSE THAT ANNIKA UM MENTIONED AND. HI. THERE IS

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ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE CLASS AT OUR SCHOOL, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A REQUIRED COURSE. UM MY NINTH GRADE PHYSICAL SCIENCE TEACHER, MR CHAPMAN WAS LIKE. MORE FOCUSED ON LIKE. CLIMATE CHANGE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT AND I ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET A FULL YEAR OF BIOLOGY BECAUSE THAT WAS MY SOFTWARE YEAR. THAT WAS ENDED EARLIER. UM AND SO WHEN I WAS DOING RESEARCH ABOUT WETLANDS, I THINK. THERE ARE THINGS THAT I GENERALLY KNEW, LIKE I KNOW WETLANDS ARE GOOD, BUT I DON'T I DIDN'T ACTUALLY REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, UM OR LIKE EXACTLY THE CHEMICAL PROCESSES ANYWAYS, OF HOW THAT WORKS. AND I ALSO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE, UM LIKE THE.

COMMERCIAL SYSTEMS AND THE COMMUNITY LIKE. THE CITY PLANNING ASPECTS OF THOSE THINGS EITHER, AND I LEARNED MORE ABOUT THAT THROUGH MY THANK YOU VERY MUCH SCIENCE COURSE. BUT THEN MOSTLY GETTING INTERESTED FROM THAT COURSE TO DO MY OWN RESEARCH. AND NOW IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WHAT I LEARNED IN SCHOOL AND WHAT I LOOKED UP ON MY OWN. BUT I THINK THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, SCHOOLS COULD PROBABLY DO MORE TO GET THEIR STUDENTS INTERESTED. IN RESEARCHING ON THEIR OWN. BUT MORE LIKE GIVING THE TOOLS TO DO GOOD RESEARCH ON THERE, BECAUSE I THINK I'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS. ABOUT DOING RESEARCH. FROM. DURING RESEARCH. THAT'S SORRY. THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL, BUT I THINK THERE ARE THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE THINGS THAT THIS WORLD CAN BE DOING. UM YES. ONE A DAY.

AGREED BUT EVERYONE HAS SAID SO FAR BECAUSE LIKE I DIDN'T LIKE LEARN ABOUT. LIKE BUTLAND'S AND EVERYTHING LIKE UNTIL I DID MORE RESEARCH ON MY OWN FAMILY GOD, HE SAID. OH, RIGHT? SOMEHOW, LIKE. IF THERE WAS LIKE THAT'S LIKE IT WAS LIKE A REQUIRED CLASS. THE HIGH SCHOOLS FOR LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, BECAUSE. CURRENTLY IT'S JUST LIKE OPTIONAL LIKE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TIME IN YOUR SCHEDULE. BUT, UM. I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE. PEOPLE SOON AS HATES TO LEARN ABOUT WAS FUN. LUCA. I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID BEFORE AND THEN I THINK THAT, UH, PERSONALLY BEING A SOPHOMORE RIGHT NOW, UM AND I KNOW AUDREY DIDN'T FINISH UP BIO, BUT I'M CURRENTLY I'M IN THE END OF THE BIOS, SO I'M STARTING TO MAYBE GETTING SHOWN UP, BUT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT ECOLOGY RIGHT NOW. AND SO, BUT WE'RE NOT LEARNING ABOUT AREA SPECIFIC ECOLOGY, SO IT'S MORE OF A ECOLOGY, MAYBE ON IOWA OR SOMEWHERE THAT'S LIKE KIND OF GEOLOGICALLY ISOLATED. SO I WISH WE WOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT LIKE OUR AREAS, ECOLOGY AND MORE ABOUT OUR WETLANDS. AND I KNOW WE DID SOMETHING IN EIGHTH GRADE OR SEVENTH GRADE, WHERE WE LEARNED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR WETLANDS AND HOW TO PRESERVE THEM AND WHAT'S IN THEM AND OUR OWN. UH LIKE OUR OWN ECOLOGY, BUT, UM, I PERSONALLY WISH WE HAD MORE. BASED ON OUR AREA RATHER THAN OTHER PLACES. JONES STYLE THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER TIME LEFT. I'M SORRY. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WELL, I THOUGHT YOU RAISED YOUR HAND. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENTS? YOU WANTED TO MAKE THEM JUST SITTING HERE? SO OKAY, BERNADETTE. GOING OFF, BUT WE'RE SAD LIKE I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT. WHAT'S HAPPENING MONTHLY THROUGH LIKE ALREADY IN CONSERVATION. I JOINED THAT, AND I THINK IT BE KIND OF COOL SOMEHOW, LIKE. FROM HIGH SCHOOLS AROUND HERE. THEY SIMPLY DID YOU LIKE THE FIELD PAPER, LIKE SOMEHOW LIKE WORK WITH RADIANT CONSERVATION. DAY OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE I THINK THAT LIKE. GOOD TALK. GOOD IDEA, MAN. SO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE UNBELIEVABLY GOOD ASSET WE HAVE AND HAVING EMMA BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE AN UNBELIEVABLY LUCKY. NO PLACE TO LIVE. UH, JUST BECAUSE OF. YOU KNOW? WELL, THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON, BUT SHE'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PERSON. BUT THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT I TEACH A GREEN CHEMISTRY CLASS. TWO FRESHMEN AT MSU AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IS THAT I HAVE TAKEN THESE KIDS THESE STUDENTS TO, UM. THINGS LIKE THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT OR THE WATER PLANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF STRUCK ME HOW. I OPENING THOSE EXPERIENCES SEEMED TO BE FOR THEM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CREDIT FOR IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY UM. IT'S REALLY EASY TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD AND NOT KNOW YOU KNOW WHERE THE WATER COMES

[01:05:06]

FROM, OR WHERE IT GOES TO, UH, AND A WHOLE LOT OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES ELECTRIC POWER GET DISTRIBUTED? WHAT? WHAT ARE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE UNDER OUR STREETS THAT OCCASIONALLY YOU SEE THE ORANGE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND ETCETERA, ETCETERA. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY INTERSECT WITH AND MODERATE. UM. YOU KNOW THE NATURAL PROCESSES THAT WE UM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ABOUT WETLANDS DELIVERING AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, TOO. UM AND SO I SORT OF WISH THAT THERE WERE MUCH MORE. INTEGRATED. UM. EDUCATIONAL PROCESSES GOING ON THAT TALK ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS FIT TOGETHER. AUDREY. UM WHAT YOU JUST SAID NOT REMINDED ME THAT MR TRAVELING LIVE NOT PHYSICAL SCIENCE TEACHER ALSO, UH, HAD A FIELD TRIP THAT STUDENTS WHO GO ON THAT I WENT ON AND YOU TOOK US. TO I FORGOT WHERE IT WAS. BUT HE DID THIS TO LIKE WITH THE WATER THAT THE BIG WATER TREATMENT PLANT IN MICHIGAN. UM WHAT? WHERE WAS THAT? YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK. YEAH. UM YEAH, AROUND WHISKEY AGAIN, AND LIKE. WE LIKE TOURED IT, AND THEN WE WENT ON A SUBMARINE. THAT WAS DIFFERENT. OH AGAIN. UM NO, WE DIDN'T GET WHEN I'M LIKE. SO WE WENT ON A. WHATEVER BUT WE LIKE IT WAS THE WHOLE FIELD TRIP BASED ON LIKE WE LEARNED ABOUT LIKE. BEAUTIFICATION UM IN LIKE MICHIGAN, AND IT WAS REALLY COOL AND REALLY INTERESTING, BUT LIKE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO ON THE FIELD TRIP, AND IT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A FIELD TRIP. IT WAS JUST LIKE. THREE PARENTS DROVE LIKE THERE WERE THREE CARS THAT WERE GOING. I LIKE 20 KIDS, AND WE'RE JUST LIKE. HONEST ABOUT LIKE THIS, BUT, UH, WE JUST WENT AND WE LEARNED I LIKE I LEARNED A LOT AND THERE WAS JUST MORE LIKE AN EXPERIENCE. UM. APART FROM SCHOOL, BUT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF. VERY ENGAGING TEACHERS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND LIKE ALL OVER THAT, DO SOMETHING WHEN I APPRECIATE IT. FANTASTIC DID YOU GET TO SLEEP ON THE SUBMARINE? THE CUB SCOUTS THE DESK CARD TO GO AHEAD. MHM. OH THIS IS FANTASTIC. SO I FEEL THE ENERGY FROM OUR STUDENTS AS WELL AS OUR PROFESSORS CLEARLY AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO FRESHMAN YEAR AT, UH, AT COLLEGE OF EGG, BUT I'M WONDERING, UM JOHN, IF I COULDN'T CHALLENGE OUR STUDENTS TO MAYBE WORK WITH KENDRA AND I ON MAY BE AN ACTION PLAN FOR OUR NEXT STEPS IN WETLANDS AND WHAT I HEARD WAS SEVERAL GREAT IDEAS WAS REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION OF WETLANDS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE RAGS. AND THEN MAYBE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY CHANGES ANDREW WITH THE BOARD COULD DO TO HELP. UM SO I FEEL THAT THAT AND I HATE TO THROW KENDRA ON THAT ON THAT BANDWAGON, BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE WE COULD. EDUCATIONAL LEVEL. WE COULD DO THIS, MAYBE AS A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL, BUT I THINK I THINK THE STUDENTS ARE RIGHT. WE NEED TO START YOUNGER, TOO. AND WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT OUR YOU KNOW TEACHERS IN THE CROWD, SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON. TO MAYBE HELP FACILITATE, SO JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. EXCELLENT COURTNEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT'S A LOGICAL NEXT STEP FOR, UH, KIND OF DEALING WITH THE NUMBER OF THE DIFFERENT ISSUES. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST.

IS THAT LAURA, YOU YOU APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED THEM TO JOIN US, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER TIMES. UH UH, WITH RESPECT TO WETLAND ORDINANCES, AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE IT ASKED HIM TO, UH, IF HE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT EDUCATIONAL STAFF. WITH RESPECT TO THESE ISSUES, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THE NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE. YOU KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE EDUCATING STAFF, PROBABLY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS A GOOD PLACE TO, UH, AT LEAST DISCUSS THAT ISSUE. UH, LET'S SEE SOMEBODY. BILL. DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND OFF OR DEAD? I'M GOOD. THANKS. OKAY? ANYTHING YEAH, IT WAS, UH, A COUPLE NEXT LOGICAL STEPS. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS.

WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO AND PROBABLY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT STUFF? WE NEED TO DO, BUT WE'VE GOT TO, SOME PEOPLE WORKING ON IT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, AND, UH, I WONDER, TOO IF THERE'S ANYBODY AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THIS BILL, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT

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FOR SOMEBODY TO APPROACH THE STRAIN COMMISSION TO SEE IF BIRTH. THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH US AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED BILL. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I BELIEVE THAT TIM SCHMIDT PROBABLY KNOWS ALL THOSE FOLKS. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE SOME CONTACT IN FOUR AMERICANS OKAY, AND THAT'S OKAY. LEROI WHY DON'T YOU MENTION THAT TO TIM TO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DIALOGUE WITH THE DREAM COMMISSION ABOUT. THESE KIND OF ISSUES. BASICALLY BILL BROUGHT UP SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON THE AGENDA ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS THEN, DID YOU, UH, JUST JUST A REMARK ABOUT THE DRINK COMMISSION. I MEAN, IT'S UH I WOULD SAY, ON AVERAGE, MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SOME KIND OF DIRECT INTERACTION WITH WHETHER THERE WHAT WAS THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER COMING IN MAKING A PRESENTATION OR CARLA CLOSE PARTICIPATING IN A MEETING OR WHATEVER. QUITE A FEW YEARS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE COMMISSION, CARLA CLOSE WHO'S THE. DEPUTY I THINK DEPUTY IS OUR TITLE DRAIN COMMISSIONER IS, UH, WAS ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. SO THEY'RE I THINK THEY'RE VERY. OPEN TO AND, UM, INTERESTED IN, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERACTING WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES. ESPECIALLY IN AN AGE OF ZOOM WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE. YEAH RIGHT, RIGHT. IT DOES SOUND THEN MAYBE TIM SHOULD MAKE THE INQUIRY OF PROBABLY CARLA IS A GOOD PLACE TO START WITH THE CONTACT AND DISCUSSION THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YEAH. I MEAN, BOTH SHE AND POWDER ARE PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO IN LIFE EXPERIENCE. SO, YEAH, I GOT THE EXPERIENCE. I HAVE BEEN ON OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. SO THAT STUFF. PLACE TO START OTHER ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ALARM. OKAY? OKAY AGAIN. LET'S PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND. AH OH, LAURA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE

[5C. New Application – Jean McDonald]

IMPLICATION FROM JEAN MACDONALD? NO I DID NOTICE THAT IT DID NOT SHOW UP IN THE SECOND, UM, PACKET AND YOU DIDN'T SEE THE WHOLE THING. UM. SHE APPLIED FOR US SEVERAL COMMISSIONS, BUT SHE WAS ALSO INTERESTED IN IN FUTURE TREE PLANTING INITIATIVES. SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE KNOWS JEAN MACDONALD, BUT. WANTED TO ENCOURAGE HER PARTICIPATION. UM. IF YOU THINK THAT SHE WOULD BE A GOOD MEMBER OF ONE OF THE COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE, JUST ATTENDING MEETINGS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPENINGS RIGHT NOW.

BUT. OR ON ONE OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES SUCH AS OUR TREE TEAM. YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND INVITE HER TO, UH. DURING THE TREE TEAM SEEMED TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THERE, AND SHE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT IN THEIR APPLICATION. WE'LL DO. YEAH, AND I GUESS THE OKAY

[6A. Green Infrastructure Grants for Schools]

MOVING ON TO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS FOR SCHOOLS, THE RIGHT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I SAW SOME NOTES FROM ROSE. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE WITH US TONIGHT. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO REPORT. DO YOU MIND IF I SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK? WHAT.

OKAY, UM, ROSE REPORTS THAT THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON WITH STUDENTS AT THE RED, MORE A MONTESSORI GREENHOUSE, AND SHE SHARED SOME PICTURES. UM I ALSO GOT AN UPDATE TODAY. UM FROM HAS A MIDDLE SCHOOL. THEY SENT ME A QUICK UPDATE, AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THEIR THUNDER. BUT, UM. THERE'S THEY'VE GOT A STRONG TEAM AND I'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS CLEANING UP THIS COURTYARD. UM AND STARTING JUST BEGINNING TO BRAINSTORM POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEY ARE ALSO POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE TO PRESENT AT A FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING. MAYBE AT A GREEN DIALOGUE OR AT A BOARD A BOARD MEETING. SO I'LL LET THEM GIVE THE FULL REPORT NEXT TIME. UH YOU KNOW, JUST FOR BREAKFAST PURPOSES, BUT ALSO FOR THE GREEN DIALOGUE PARTICIPANTS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO INVITE THEM TO A GIRL. GREEN DIALOGUE. AH AS THE NEXT LOGICAL STAFF, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN NUMBER FOR US TO END OR IT WOULD BE GREAT TOO. BUT. MAYBE YOU COULD START. IT'S JUST ASSURED PRESENTATION TO THEIR GREEN DIALOGUE GROUP. BE HAPPY TO YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, GREEN GRANTS TO SCHOOLS. OKAY, LET'S SEE. UH WELL, I DON'T THINK WE DON'T HAVE A TREE SET TREE TEAM

[9J. Tree Team]

UPDATE BRIGHT LEROI BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ROADS WITH US OR RIGHT. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, IS THAT WE DID END UP DISTRIBUTING ALL OF THE TREES THANKS TO SOME OF THE

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VOLUNTEERS. BERNADETTE WAS THERE. WE HAVE A, UM, AN ENGINEER INTERN THAT HELPED. UM AND WE SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS OF OUR GREEN TEAM WERE AT THE MARKET DISTRIBUTING TREES. SO THAT WAS, UH I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL. ALSO, WE OWE SOME OF THE CREDIT. UM TO PAST MEMBERS OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION FOR LINING LINING UP THE DONATION FROM FOR THE REM MSU'S TRADE RESEARCH TEAM, SO. JIM KIELBASA AND. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT THAT I'M MISSING. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE BRIEF UPDATE. AND I DON'T HAVE A CHAIR'S REPORT. SO WE'RE BACK TO YOU, LAURA. RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE A STAFF

[8. STAFF REPORT]

COURT? A BRIEF ONE HERE. UM. SEE IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN. MM OKAY. HERE'S THE GREEN RESOURCES TABLE THAT WE'VE STAFFED AT THE MARKET THE LAST DURING MAY. AND HERE'S A COUPLE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS, YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE ONE OF THEM. I'M NOT SEEING THAT CONTENT.

WE'RE SEEING ENHANCE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. ARE YOU? HUH? INTERESTING, OKAY. WE TRY AGAIN. IS IT SHOWING UP NOW? THAT'S GREAT. OKAY THIS IS, UM MADISON ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER INTERN. AND BERNADETTE. APPARENTLY AT OUR NEXT FARMERS MARKET WERE NOT REQUIRED TO WEAR MASKS IF YOU'VE BEEN VACCINATED, SO THAT'S KIND OF EXCITING WHERE WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE GREEN TEAM TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE GREEN RESOURCES STAFFING. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE AT THE TABLE. IT'S KIND OF A FUN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO CHECK OUT THE 50 BEEN VENDORS THAT ARE THERE AND. NO SEE NEIGHBORS AND TALK ABOUT THE STUFF YOU MIGHT NOTICE THE WETLANDS BROCHURE IN THERE SOMEWHERE, AND WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME POLLUTION. PREVENTION. UM, BROCHURES. UM. THIS IS THE BIKE RECYCLING DAY THAT WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO. UM THERE'S SOME RAIN BARRELS AVAILABLE FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. AS WELL AS A FACT SHEET ON HOW TO INSTALL RAIN BARRELS OF ONE WAY TO KIND OF FURTHER EDUCATION ABOUT WATER RESOURCES ABOUT, UM, STORMWATER. AND USE WATER MORE EFFICIENTLY. WE TRY AND GIVE AWAY 30 OR 40 OF THESE A YEAR, SO I JUST THIS IS SORT OF JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION HERE AND TO ANYONE ELSE IS LISTENING. THERE'S ALSO A SUSTAINABILITY CONFERENCE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND I'M TUNING INTO A FEW OF THESE. IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO REGISTER. IT'S ONLINE. IT'S ONLY $35. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION BEING GIVEN OUT, AND THERE'S SOME RECORDINGS BEING MADE TO. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ANY OF THE THREE DOZEN PRESENTATIONS UM, I'LL TRY AND HOPEFULLY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

UM WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO ANOTHER WORK DAY AT THE RAIN GARDEN ON FRIDAY AT THE ROUNDABOUT PARK LAKE AND BURCHAM. UM THIS IS SHOTS FROM LAST FRIDAY WHEN EMMA AND SARAH.

AND A COUPLE OTHER RESIDENTS FROM THE AREA SHOWED UP. WITH WEAPONS AND REMOVED WEEDS. UM WE ALSO LEARNED ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PLANTS IN THE ROUNDABOUT THANKS TO HELP FROM EMMA. AND THEN COMMUNITY WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN TO INSTALL SOME RAIN, NOT RAIN, SOME WATER BARRELS THIS COMMUNITY GARDEN AT BRIAR WOOD HAS NOT NEVER HAD REAL ACCESS TO CONVENIENT WATER SO. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE RAIN BARRELS AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO FILL THESE HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT WEEK HERSELF. AND THEN, UH, TRY AND PUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND THE GREEN GAZETTE, WHICH SOME OF YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO BUT IF YOU DON'T. THIS LINK WILL TAKE YOU TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP AS WELL AS. PATH SEVERAL OF THE PAST. UM ISSUES OF THAT IF YOU WANT TO SORT OF CATCH UP UP, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE ONGOING. UM RESOURCES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO WON'T TALK ABOUT THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT I'LL SHARE THESE LINKS LATER. IF YOU'D LIKE TO KIND OF EXPLORE FURTHER. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK THE GREEN COULD SET IS EXCELLENT. SO IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S I ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB

[01:20:03]

KIND OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT THERE, BILL. YEAH, I SECOND THAT THE GREEN GAZETTE IS AWESOME. I WANTED TO INVITE, UM ROIDED SHARE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY AROUND, UM. NATIVE PLANTINGS IN THE ROUND ABOUT AND THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT, AND, UM, KIND OF THE RECOGNITION OF THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT IT IS SOMETIMES, UM. PART OF A BIG PART OF A PROJECT LIKE THAT OF AND I CAN'T THINK OF A HARDER PLACE TO DO IT THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF AROUND ABOUT SUCH, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO CREATE A NATURAL AREA, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST UNNATURAL PLACES TO DO IT. BUT UM, SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE. OUR CHALLENGE IS TO, UH REPRODUCING WHAT WE THINK OF AS A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF HEARTWARMING TO SEE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THE ROUNDABOUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR. I FOUND OUT ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE CONVERSATION HAD STARTED, AND ALWAYS DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT PEOPLE HAD. COME FORTH IN ITS DEFENSE. I MEAN, THEY'RE ROUNDABOUT IN MAY DIDN'T LOOK THAT PRETTY AND A LOT OF NATIVE LANDSCAPES DON'T LOOK THAT PRETTY AND IN MAY. AND THINGS ARE CHANGING PRETTY RAPIDLY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RECENT RAIN. BUT UM, WHO'S NICE TO SEE? UM NICE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT. AND I THINK IT ALSO HELPED ENGAGE SOME VOLUNTEERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING, UM UM. THERE IS A FACT SHEET ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT. THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL DOZEN PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT, UM, RECENTLY. I THINK I SHARED THE IDEA THAT. MAYBE A MINI GRANT PROGRAM TO HELP OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS DO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OR NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS, ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECTS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD. BUDGET FOR I KNOW THE TOWNSHIP BOARD IS INTERESTED IN MORE TREE PLANTING. THERE MAY BE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN CAN SUPPORT SOME OF THESE SMALLER SCALE. OR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT COME UP THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN ALSO HELP EDUCATE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN AND. AND CAN I KEEP THEM GOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST MAGICALLY HAPPENED WITH A GRANT. UM. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED BILL. BUT THANKS FOR ASKING. THAT'S EXACTLY IT. OKAY? UM, I THINK THAT'S UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, OKAY. AND YOU, UH OF THE VARIOUS, UH. LIAISON AND TEAM REPORTS, AND I THINK COURTNEY

[9A. Board of Trustees]

EUROPE FIRST WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WETLANDS AND TREES. GOOD YEAH. UM UM THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH TO REPORT OTHER THAN, UM, THERE WAS ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION, AND I'M TAKING NOTES AND. EMAIL AND FILL RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE TAX BILL. AND HOW DO WE GET THE BROCHURE IN THERE? UM, BUT, UH, I'LL SAY SO. THERE IS SOME NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UM, COMING IN FRONT OF US AND OF THOSE PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENTS THERE IS AND THIS IS WHAT PROVOKED SOME OF MY INTEREST WAS THERE IS SOME, UM, WETLANDS THAT COULD BE AND OR ARE ON THE PROPOSED PROPERTIES. SO. UM AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE MORE AND HOW THEY FACILITATE THAT. WE DO HAVE, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON A COMMUNITY SURVEY. SO, UM, ANNUALLY WE DO A COMMUNITY SURVEY TO GATHER INPUT ON, UM.

ISSUES THAT RELATE AROUND THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN HOW CAN WE AS A BOARD AND AS OUR LEADERSHIP? UM ADDRESS MAYBE SOME CONCERNS AND OR WHAT ARE WE DOING? WELL, WHAT CAN WE, UM ADD TO OUR OUR GOALS IN OUR AGENDA? SO THAT, UM, THAT SURVEY HAS BEEN, UM HAS BEEN, UM, GOSH, ALLOCATED TO A FIRM THAT'S HELPING US DEVELOP THAT SURVEY, SO IT'S NOT COMING IN HOUSE. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WORKING AS A BOARD TO DETERMINE THE QUESTIONS. THE TOPICS THAT WILL BE THERE AND I THINK I POSED THIS A LONG TIME AGO. BUT IF THERE WE STILL HAVE TIME AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. TO ADD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, OR I CAN AT LEAST PROPOSE THOSE

[01:25:03]

QUESTIONS TO THE COMMITTEE TO SAY. HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, UM AND I DID HAVE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS. UM. BUT YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING REGARDING AND I KNOW WE HAVE OUR OWN RECYCLING SURVEY OR ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT YOU WANT THE COMMUNITY INPUT ON I CAN CERTAINLY PROPOSE THAT TO THE BOARD AND WE STILL HAVE TIME. MAY SAY THAT PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, SO IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT. UM AND ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON OR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON? CERTAINLY LET ME KNOW AND I WILL WORKING ON THAT. THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON QUITE A BIT. I THINK RIGHT NOW, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY REPORT. THANK YOU.

[9B. Brownfield Redevelopment Authority]

MOVING ON TO BROWNFIELD. REDEVELOPMENT NED, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? YES MAY 20TH MEETING WAS CANCELED, OKAY, SHARK REPORT. I LIKE IT'S GOOD. UH BUT BUT WE DID ALSO HAVE A CELEBRATION TO SAY GOODBYE TO MARK. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY MARK WAS GOING TO RUN THAT MEETING BECAUSE PETER MINSUR HAD ALREADY MOVED EAST LANSING. AND SO THEN, I THINK MARK FIGURED, YOU KNOW, HE WAS SO CLOSE TO HIS RETIREMENT PARTY THAT, UH, MAYBE WOULD HAVE B R A. NEXT WEEK. NEXT MONTH. I MEAN, AND I HAVE NO IDEA. WHO'S GOING TO STAFF US, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT. YEAH, YOU'LL FIND OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING. PROBABLY

[9C. Energy Team]

YEAH. THE ENERGY JEAN MATT AND WE BASICALLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT ONE WAS.

WHAT TO DO ABOUT EDUCATION RELATED TO THE, UH, CITIZEN. UH CLIMATE COMMITMENT AND WE DECIDED THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR, UH, INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO CITIZENS IS THE KIND OF, UH. LOOK INTO KIND OF, UH, DIFFERENT ELECTRIC ALTERNATIVES.

AND SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO IDENTIFY SOME GOOD INFORMATION FURTHER INFORMATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS. THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE ENERGY TEAM IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AT THE. THE GREEN DIALOGUE. THE SECOND WEDNESDAY, WHICH I THINK IT'S JUNE 9TH. AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, LEROI FOR THE GREEN DIALOGUES HAS BEEN ARRANGING. SHORT PRESENTATION IS USUALLY ABOUT 11 A MONTH SO THE ENERGY TEAM IS GOING TO DO THE NEXT ONE AND JUNE 9TH. THAT'S GOOD FOR THE ENERGY TEAM. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ANY, UH I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. NO, I SPOKE

[9D. Environmental Justice]

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND HOW THE WETLANDS ARE RELATED TO THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MICHIGAN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONFERENCE. I THINK IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO IT WAS ON, UM, LINE AND ROSEN. I ATTENDED A BUNCH OF THOSE SESSIONS AND MAYBE OTHER FOLKS DID AS WELL. BUT I THINK ROSE POSTED THAT LINK. UM, I THINK IT'S AND, YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT START AND, UM THERE'S A WHOLE GROUP OF FOLKS AFTER, UM STATE OF MICHIGAN WHO ARE COMMITTED TO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, AND IT'S VERY, VERY EXCITING. OKAY? YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, LET'S SEE, UH, ANYTHING MORE ON THE GREEN TEACHING FLUORIDE. TIM UM, YOU

[9E. Green Team]

WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT TO RIGHT. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IF WE HAVEN'T SAID THIS YEAR THAT IS WE ARE PLANNING TO MEET TOMORROW EVENING. UM IT WILL BE OUR FIRST IN PERSON MEETING AND QUITE SOME TIME, SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. BUT THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY ACTIVE WITH THE TREE DISTRIBUTION AND THEY BIKE RECYCLING EFFORTS. AND, UH, OR AGAIN MEETING TOMORROW TO PLAN FUTURE ACTIVITIES FOR THE SUMMER. IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US. WE'RE BEING AT FIVE O'CLOCK AT THE PAVILION. IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN HELPING WITH THAT. HENDRA, WHERE ONTO THE LANE

[9F. Land Preservation Advisory Board]

PRESERVATION ADVISORY PORT. DON'T SAY MUCH ABOUT THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THE WHITE LINES ARE REALLY CONNECTED TO LAND PREZ, AND SO, UM, I'LL JUST KIND OF I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME, SO WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR NEXT TIME. BILL PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH, THE PLANNING

[9G. Planning Commission]

COMMISSION LAST MET ON MAY 24TH AND. THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND HELD AT THAT TIME WERE 21 050 MNJ MANAGEMENT. TO REZONE AND APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRE PARCEL LOCATED. 1999 2ND ON HIGHWAY FROM COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL. IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE MERIDIAN, THE MERIDIAN

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COMPANY IS LOCATED, THAT AREA IS. KIND OF DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGY. WE'VE LOST LOTS OF IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT BECOME, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UH, CHANGE THAT ZONE IN CATEGORY AND STILL WORKING ON THE MIXTURE IS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. UH, ORDINANCE. THAT IT TRIES TO ENCOURAGE MIXED USES ON ON A GIVEN PROPERLY. THAT'S WORK OR PLANNING COMMISSION BETTER, TOO. THANK YOU. UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT ON THE BEST. LISTED STATE OF MICHIGAN. I ASSUME THAT HAS

[9H. State of Michigan]

TO BE LIKE THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THOMAS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU RETIRED FROM YOUR JOB, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, UH, WANT US TO STILL KEEP CALLING ON YOU OR DEER TEAR.

YOU READY TO, UH, YEAH, REALLY NOTHING FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO REPORTS UNDER THAT AT THIS POINT, UM, I WILL SAY NOT SO MUCH ENVIRONMENTAL RELATED, BUT, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE FACING SOME ATTACKS ON LOCAL CONTROL ISSUES. UH WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW. SO THIS, UH. MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT IN PARTICULAR. UH LOCAL REGULATION OF SAND AND GRAVEL MINING IS UNDER ATTACK, AS WELL AS. VACATION RENTAL, UH, RENTALS AND, UH, UM, KIND OF TAKING AWAY CONTROL FROM LOCALS AND IN REGULATING KNOWS AS WELL SO.

STAND GUARD, I GUESS WERE SOME OF THOSE, UH. LOCAL PREEMPTIONS. HMM. I'M SORRY.

UH, TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION. THAT YOU BUILT. TRYING TO GET MY SCREEN BACK. THANK YOU. YEAH

[9I. Transportation Commission]

TO TOM'S POINT ABOUT RENTAL RESTRICTIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HAS LARGELY TO DO WITH THIS SORT OF ON DEMAND KIND OF AIRBNB TYPE STUFF. AND FOR MOST, THE TOWNSHIP THAT'S NOT REALLY A BIG DEAL, BUT FOR THOSE PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP CLOSER TO MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY, THAT IS A HUGE DEAL AND CONSUMES, UM. A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ENERGY. AND I WOULD NOTE THAT ARE ARE SORT OF MORE. COOL. MM HMM. ONE OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IS MOVING INTO THAT KIND OF RENTAL, UH, AREA, SO THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME REALLOCATION OF RESOURCES THERE, WHICH COULDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION HAS BEEN MAINLY FOCUSED ON BOTH PATHWAYS. AND, UM. THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE TOWNSHIP THIS YEAR. AND I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN PLENTY OF NOTICES GOING OUT FOR WORK IS GOING ON IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, SOY AND ENCOURAGE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS MAKING IT OUT.

ALSO TO, UM. ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OR AND PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR. AND FINALLY I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING BUT IS CONSIDERING THE ISSUE OF, UH, QUIET. UH HUH. I'VE GOT THE NAME WRONG BUT QUIET ZONES FOR RAILROADS, BASICALLY LESSENING THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THEY. PERSONALLY YOU KNOW, I WANT HIM TO BLOW GONE, BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE. SO YEAH. THANK YOU, BILL. I'M GOING TO SEE. UH, WELL, THE TREE TEAM WE'VE ALREADY YEAH. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, SO WE'RE ONTO FURTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FROM AND OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS FROM MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR ANYBODY PARTICIPATING HERE. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HAVE SOME FURTHER COMMENTS OR. OKAY I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS UP. OKAY WELL, I GUESS THEN I'M GOING TO ANSWER A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. THANK YOU, UH, SECOND, KENDRA, I THINK I SAW YOUR HAND UP ACCORDION SURGEON. UH OKAY. PAPER ONTO A JOURNEY. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION, BUT WE HAD. DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE'VE MADE A GOOD BEGINNING AND THE WETLAND DISCUSSION AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT A LOT MORE TO DO. UH SO, UH, THEY THANK YOU, EVERYBODY AND TAKE CARE. YOU EXTRA ON. WHO.

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