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OK, IT IS SEVEN P.M., SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MARCH 22ND, 2021 REGULAR MEETING OF
[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
THE MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.FIRST. ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS PUBLIC REMARKS.
THERE WILL BE THREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC REMARKS TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW AT THE END OF THE MEETING AND ALSO DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON OUR AGENDA AS ITEM SIX A. FOR THE FIRST AND LAST PUBLIC, OR PUBLIC REMARKS.
YOU MAY SPEAK ON ANY TOPIC IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MR. R'S DRIVING SCHOOL PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME.
BUT WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COMES UP, YOU MAY ONLY SPEAK ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
REMARKS MUST BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING AND IF YOU ARE IN OUR ZOOM MEETING, YOU CAN USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR IF YOU ARE WATCHING OR LISTENING AT HOME, YOU CAN GIVE US A PHONE CALL AT (517)349-1232.
WHEN YOU DO BEGIN, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.
DON'T SEE ANYONE RAISING THEIR HAND IN THE ZOOM MEETING.
DIRECTOR GEBES, WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? THERE ARE NO TELEPHONE CALLS EITHER, SIR.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC REMARKS, MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS
[3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA TONIGHT? MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CORDILL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLUMER, ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ITEM FOUR A APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAVE ONE SET OF MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 8, 2021 REGULAR MEETING.WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES.
MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TREZISE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER, ANY COMMENTS, CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER CORDILL? YEAH, THANK YOU.
I'M LOOKING AT PAGE TWO OF THE MINUTES AND I LOOKED FOR INFORMATION ON THE PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR REZONING TWO ONE ZERO TWENTY AND COMMUNICATIONS THERE WAS A PETITION, I JUST THOUGHT, TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE PETITION WAS FOR THE REZONING AND IT WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING.
THANKS, HOLLY. I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES AS AMENDED, SAY AYE.
AND THE MINUTES PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM FIVE COMMUNICATIONS.
THEN NEXT IS 6A PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[6.A. Special Use Permit #21021 (Mr. R’s Driving School), install a driver’s education road test course in the parking lot behind the shopping center at 1575 Haslett Road.]
SO WE COME TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SPECIAL USE OR OUR ONLY PUBLIC HEARING, SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO TWO ONE MR. R'S DRIVING SCHOOL TO INSTALL A DRIVER'S EDUCATION ROAD TEST COURSE IN THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER AT ONE FIVE SEVEN FIVE HASLETT ROAD.WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:03 P.M.
AND WILL HAND THINGS OFF, AS WE ALWAYS DO IN PRINCIPAL PLANNER MENSER.
HEY, EVERYBODY, THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
I'M ACTUALLY SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I JUST WANT TO, WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT HERE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
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I CAN'T REALLY. ALL RIGHT, SO JASON [INAUDIBLE], IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, I'M I GOT YOUR EMAIL, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW TO HOW TO ADDRESS YOUR ISSUE WITH ZOOM, SO HOPEFULLY YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOG IN.I'LL TRY TO I'LL TRY TO GET THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OF PETER'S PRESENTATION TO GET HIM IN.
I'LL GO FASTER TONIGHT, I PROMISE.
THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK.
AND DO THE FASTEST PRESENTATION OUT THERE.
YEAH, OK, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FROM MR. R'S DRIVING SCHOOL, IT'S TO ESTABLISH A DRIVER'S ED TRAINING COURSE IN AN AREA BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HASLETT AND MARSH.
IT'S CALLED THE SHOP TOWN SHOPPING CENTER.
SO, AS USUAL, TONIGHT'S MEETING PACKETS ON OUR MEETINGS TAB ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE THERE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME, WANT TO SEE THE STAFF, THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S IN THERE. EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT IS COVERED IN THAT.
AND THAT'S ON THE HOME PAGE ON THE MEETING'S TAB, ALL THE APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR THE REQUESTS AROUND THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE.
AND THEN THE FORMAT OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING IS A BRIEF SUMMARY BY ME AND THEN PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT IF WE CAN GET HIM LOGGED IN AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND AS OUR CHAIR MENTIONED, THAT'S THREE MINUTES PER PERSON MAX, AND IT'S ON THIS TOPIC ONLY ON THIS REQUEST.
AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
THEY HAVE MAY QUESTION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
THEY CERTAINLY WILL TALK AMONG EACH OTHER.
THE PROPOSAL IS AN APPROXIMATE THIRTY FIVE FOOT BY 70 FOOT AREA FOR A DRIVERS ED TRAINING COURSE. ANY OF YOU THAT HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN BEHIND THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE BUILDING ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HASLETT AND MARSH MAY HAVE SEEN A SET UP BACK THERE FOR A DRIVER'S ED TRAINING COURSE THAT'S USED ON AND OFF OVER THE YEARS.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME THING BEHIND THE SHOP TOWN SHOPPING CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARSH, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AS THIS GROUP LAST YEAR, I GUESS, APPROVED THE MUPUD FOR PINE VILLAGE.
SO THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT MR. R'S IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN.
THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED SO THEY WON'T HAVE A HOME.
THANKFULLY, THEY FOUND A SPOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARSH AND WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP THEM IN THE TOWNSHIP. SO THE TRAINING COURSE CONSISTS OF PAVEMENT STRIPING AND TRAFFIC CONES, REALLY SET UP AS NEEDED AND REMOVED WHEN NOT IN USE.
SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT THE OVERHEAD OF THIS PARCEL, SO THE GAS STATIONS AT THE CORNER AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED HERE SOON AS WELL OF BLONDIE'S, THERE'S A MEDICAL BUILDING JUST TO THE WEST.
RITE AID. BUT THIS SHOPPING CENTER IS RITE AID AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF OTHER TENANTS.
THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS, ONE HERE, ONE HERE.
AND THEN MR. R'S IS TAKING THIS SPACE IN THE VERY BACK SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVED HERE QUITE A WHILE, THERE WAS A CARPET STORE WHEN [INAUDIBLE] THERE, WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE IN 2006.
AND THEN AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A DOG TRAINING ACADEMY IN THAT SPACE.
A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE ON THE AIR PHOTO, IT IS ALL ON ONE PARCEL, SO THIS IS THE PARCEL RINGED IN RED, HERE YOU SEE THE SHOPPING CENTER.
MR. R'S WOULD TAKE THE SPACE BACK HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER AND THEN THE DRIVER'S ED TRAINING COURSE WOULD BE SET UP BACK IN THIS AREA.
SO REALLY, JUST SOME MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS, BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE MORE SOME OF THE LARGER, MORE COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WE USUALLY SEE.
SO IN THIS CASE, ESPECIALLY CRITERIA'S USED THE ORDINANCE, JUST THE GENERIC SPECIAL USE PERMIT REVIEW CRITERIA.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED THE PROPOSAL.
THERE ARE NO CONCERNS RAISED BY PLANNING OR BUILDING STAFF.
I SPOKE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT IS MARTIN COMMERCIAL.
THEY HAVE BOTH GRANTED THEIR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE STAFF MATERIALS, THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A DECISION THE SAME NIGHT, YOUR BYLAWS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A REQUEST TO MAKE A DECISION THE SAME NIGHT, AND TYPICALLY THAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
IN THIS CASE I DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S FAIRLY MINOR IN NATURE.
IF YOU DO DECIDE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
I PROVIDED A MOTION TO SUSPEND THAT BYLAW THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND CERTAINLY IT'S YOUR CHOICE, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT. BUT THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE YOU AT LEAST BE PREPARED.
SO I PROVIDED A MOTION AND THEN THERE IS A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE IN THE MEETING PACKET.
LET'S GET THE APPLICANT IS ON HERE AND HE MAY WANT TO FILL YOU IN.
YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS A COVER LETTER THAT WENT INTO PRETTY GOOD DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE USE IS PROPOSED. THANK YOU, PETER.
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AND DID WE DID WE GET HIM INTO THE INTO THE ZOOM MEETING? I'M LOOKING AT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE SOME EMAILS HERE.WE'RE TRYING, BUT HE IS NOT IN AS OF YET, SIR.
WE'LL GIVE THEM ANOTHER MINUTE OR TWO HERE.
I'M GOING TO TEXT HIM THE, HE JUST TEXT ME.
SORRY. I WAS EMAILING HIM AT FIRST AND NOW WE'RE TEXTING, SO.
HE'S GOING TO CALL IT ON THE LINE.
HEADS UP, DIRECTOR GEBES, COMING YOUR WAY.
WHILE WE WAIT, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW AS WE'RE AS WE'RE WORKING TO GET OUR APPLICANT INTO THE MEETING HERE.
SO I GUESS LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME AND YOU ARE IN OUR ZOOM MEETING, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO RAISE YOUR HAND. OTHERWISE YOU CAN GIVE US A CALL AT (517) 349-1232.
AND REMEMBER THAT TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AT THE TOP OF YOUR REMARKS.
AND FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU MUST SPEAK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THINGS UP, PUBLIC REMARKS.
WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON NOW.
ANYONE ELSE CALLING DIRECTOR GEBES? YOU HAVE NO TELEPHONE CALLS, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC REMARKS AND WE'LL COME BACK TO APPLICANT TIME. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET MR. [INAUDIBLE] ON ON THE PHONE, PLEASE.
JASON, YOU'RE MUTED BY DEFAULT, SO, OK.
THANK YOU, GUYS. SORRY, I THINK I HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE I WAS LOGGED IN UNDER MY REGULAR ZOOM ACCOUNTS, BUT THANK YOU.
MR. STEPHEN HELPED ME OUT A LOT.
SO WE ARE READY FOR YOU IF YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
YEAH, SO IT'S PRETTY QUICK AND EASY.
WE'VE BEEN JASON [INAUDIBLE] FOR MR. R'S DRIVING SCHOOL ONE FIVE SEVEN FIVE HASLETT ROAD.
WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN THE TOWNSHIP FOR ABOUT TWENTY FIVE YEARS, DOING DRIVER EDUCATION AND ROAD TESTS FOR THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.
THE ROAD TEST COMPONENT REQUIRES SOME PARKING LOT MANEUVERS TO TEST ONE'S STUDENT'S PARKING LOT ABILITIES BEFORE THEY'RE RELEASED ON THE ROAD TO GET TESTED TO GET THEIR LICENSE. WE HAVE BEEN USING THE SPACE BEHIND ONE SIX SEVEN THREE HASLETT ROAD IN THE HASLETT VILLAGE SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE LAST 17ISH YEARS.
AND OF COURSE, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, BECAUSE YOU MILKED IT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THAT BUILDING GETTING SOLD, SO WE HAD TO MOVE AND AFTER A LOT OF SEARCHING AND REALLY WANTING TO STAY IN THE TOWNSHIP AS WELL, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF UNUSED PARKING SPOT PARKING LOTS THAT GO ALONG WITH OFFICES THAT ARE FOR RENT.
SO WE FOUND A GREAT NEW HOME NOT TOO FAR AWAY ACROSS THE STREET, SOMEWHAT IN THE SHOP TOWN PLAZA IN DOWNTOWN HASLETT, AROUND THE BACK WHERE THE GOOD DOG TRAINING USED TO BE.
THE ORIGINAL BUILDING ON THAT SITE, AS I UNDERSTAND, ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO AND A LAUNDROMAT.
SO ONE OF THE BIG REASONS THAT SITE WAS GREAT FOR US IS BECAUSE JUST IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS A UNUSED FOR ANY PURPOSE PARKING AREA, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECT TO
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CONDUCT THE PARKING LOT PORTION OF OUR ROAD TEST SKILLS, I THINK IN THE IN THE PACKET IT STATES THE DIMENSIONS.WHICH I'LL HAVE TO REFER TO IT SOMETHING LIKE 70 BY 30 OF LINES ON THE PAVEMENT, AND THEN WHEN TESTS ARE HAPPENING, WE BRING CONES OUT TO SET ON THOSE LINES.
WHEN THEY ARE SET OUT, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR CARS TO GO THROUGH UNENCUMBERED BY ANYONE DOING A TEST. SO THERE'S AND WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE OWNER IS, APPROVE THIS USE OF THAT AREA, YES, 70, 70 FEET LONG BY 35 FEET WIDE.
AND YEAH, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT ACROSS THE STREET WITHOUT ANY INCIDENT IN A ACTUALLY MUCH MORE PRECARIOUS LOCATION, WITHOUT ROOM FOR ANYONE TO GET AROUND, IT WAS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING WAS USED LESS AND LESS OVER THE YEARS.
BUT THIS ONE'S EVEN BETTER, IN MY VIEW.
AND HOPEFULLY YOUR VIEW, TOO, BECAUSE THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR CARS TO GO THROUGH EVEN WHEN A TEST IS TAKING PLACE.
AND OBVIOUSLY, I'LL STICK AROUND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC.
MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS, WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF URGENCY ABOUT US? APPROVING IT TODAY? SURE, SO WE HAD A HARD OUT OF OUR PREVIOUS BUILDING AND HAVE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS SINCE THE 15TH OF FEBRUARY, AND SO WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET REVENUE BACK IN THE DOOR AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ANXIOUS TO TAKE THE ROAD TEST.
WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT DOING BUSINESS WITH US.
AND BECAUSE THERE'S A ZERO PERMANENT STRUCTURES AND ZERO IMPEDANCE OF ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A NO BRAINER FOR YOU GUYS TO JUST KIND OF DISCUSS AND HAVE A ONCE OVER.
AND I'M HOPING THAT IT WON'T BE A HARD, HARD DECISION THAT THE JURY WILL COME BACK VERY QUICKLY, HOPEFULLY.
YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE IT'S IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION JUST RELATING BACK TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MSU LAKE LANSING PATHWAY.
I SAW LAST WEEK THAT ON THAT PHASE THREE IS SCHEDULED TO COME ALONG THAT AREA.
AND IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
AND HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, MAYBE DINING AND OTHER THINGS, BLONDIE'S BARN, WHATEVER.
BUT THE MORE WE BRING ATTENTION TO THAT AREA AND ITS POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THE BETTER. COMMISSIONER CORDILL. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO VERIFY I'M LOOKING AT AN AERIAL PICTURE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PACKAGE AND THE ENTRANCE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, THE SOUTH.
THAT WOULD BE SOUTHEAST CORNER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND ABOUT HOW MANY FEET AWAY? THERE'S A LIGHTER AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? PETER, THAT IS INDICATED OF WHERE, WHERE THIS WOULD BE LOCATED? THERE'S A DIAGRAM IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS NOT ON THAT PLAN THAT SHOW THE GENERAL LAYOUT PRETTY MUCH JUST BEHIND THE BUILDING THERE.
OK, BUT IT DOESN'T I MEAN, I IMAGINE YOU LOOKED INTO IT NOT CONFLICTING WITH ANYONE PULLING IN OR OUT OF A PARKING SPOT.
YEAH, WE'VE LOOKED I LOOKED AT, THE FIRE INSPECTOR LOOKED AT IT, HAD A BUILDING INSPECTOR LOOK AT IT. AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, I MEAN, THEY CAN MOVE THEM AND THEY ARE WE'VE HAD TO THE CONES CAN GO RIGHT OVER IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.
OK, YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST MY ONE CONCERN, HAVING HAVING HAD A CHILD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I'VE SEEN THE SET UP AND IT IS VERY TEMPORARY NATURE.
THEY CAN SET IT UP AND THEN TAKE IT DOWN.
I SEE NO PROBLEMS AS LONG AS THAT ISSUE OF PULLING IN AND PULLING OUT WAS SUFFICIENT DISTANCE FROM WHERE THIS WOULD BE.
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AND I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR BECAUSE OF ITS SIMPLICITY THAT IT WOULD BE DECIDED TONIGHT.ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS [INAUDIBLE]? OK, SO THE ONE THING THAT THAT KIND OF STRUCK ME AS ODD IS I WENT AND DID A SITE VISIT ON, GOSH MUST HAVE BEEN SATURDAY EVENING TO, BECAUSE I HAD NEVER BEEN BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. AND I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE CONES AND STRIPES ALREADY THERE.
AND SO I GUESS TO THE APPLICANT, I WOULD ASK, ARE YOU JUMPING THE GUN ON US OR IS THIS JUST IN PREPARATION OF WHAT YOU HOPE TO BE A YES TONIGHT? YES. SO WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE SURE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR OURSELVES THAT MS. CORDILL WAS ASKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE WE HAD PLANNED IT, THAT WHEN IN FACT IT WAS SET UP THAT THERE WOULD BE ROOM AND PLENTY OF ROOM AND NO INTERFERENCE WITH ANYBODY.
SO IT'S KIND OF A I GUESS, A JUST A TEST RUN FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE NOT ENCUMBERING ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING.
SO GENERALLY, I AM I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL.
I HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO THE SUSPENSION OF BYLAWS IN THE PAST ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES US TIME TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE INTRICACIES AND IT GIVES US TIME TO HEAR FROM MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AT OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ON A TOPIC.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK AND I WILL LIKELY SUPPORT SUSPENDING OUR BYLAWS.
I DO FEEL IT'S PRUDENT TO FOR AT LEAST ME TO REITERATE MY POINT, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO VERY OFTEN.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY BECAUSE WE TAKE OUR DELIBERATIVE DECISIONS VERY SERIOUSLY. SO WHILE I WHILE I IMAGINE THAT WE'VE THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF OF THE MOTION THIS EVENING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD TAKE LIGHTLY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER BLUMER.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND OUR BYLAWS WITH RESPECT TO THIS PETITION AND APPROVE THE PETITION FOR IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATE USE BY THE ACT, BY THE PETITIONER.
SECOND. I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT AS TWO MOTIONS JUST FOR THE A MOTION TO SUSPEND OUR BYLAWS AND ALLOW FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PREMOEE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE THEN, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
YES. AND CHAIR VOTES YES, MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. SO OUR BYLAWS HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN INDEED CONSIDER THIS TONIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE OF THE IEM. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CORDILL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHREWSBURY.
ANY OTHER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MAIN MOTION? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE WE'LL GO AND TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES. MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. WE APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE.
AND GO TEACH SOME KIDS HOW TO DRIVE.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND HOW AWESOME YOU MAKE THE TOWNSHIP TO LIVE IN,.
BORN AND RAISED HERE AND BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE FOR FOR A LONG TIME AND REALLY APPRECIATE HOW WELL YOU GUYS DO YOUR JOB.
I THINK WHILE I DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, WE'RE PLEASED THAT YOU DECIDED TO STAY IN MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:23 P.M.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
SO 7 A REZONING NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO TWO ZERO MARTIN INVESTMENT PROPERTIES TO RESIGN
[7.A. Rezoning #21020 (Martin Investment Properties, Inc.), rezone approximately six acres (three parcels) located on the north side of Jolly Road, east of Kansas Road from I (Industrial) and RA (Single Family-Medium Density) to PO (Professional and Office).]
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APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES, THREE PARCELS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JOLLY ROAD, EAST OF KANSAS ROAD FROM INDUSTRIAL I AND RA SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO PO PROFESSIONAL AND OFFICE. IT WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN THINGS OVER TO PRINCIPAL PLANNER MENSER FOR A BRIEF INTRODUCTION. REINTRODUCTION, I SUPPOSE.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO ON THE, LET'S SEE PAGE TWENTY SEVEN OF THE PACKET IS A STAFF MEMO JUST OUTLINING THE INFORMATION FOR THIS ITEM.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, THE STRAW POLL REVEALED THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOUNDED LIKE THERE IS SUPPORT FOR REZONING THE MIDWEST POWER PARCEL AT TWO FOUR FOUR SIX JOLLY, BUT NOT TO REZONE THE TWO PARCELS TO THE NORTH.
AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE ZONED RA.
SO WHAT WAS REQUESTED OF ME WAS TO PREPARE TWO RESOLUTIONS, ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE OF THAT PARCEL OF MIDWEST, THE MIDWEST POWER PARCEL TO PO THAT WOULD LEAVE THE OTHER TWO AS CURRENTLY ZONE AND THEN A SECOND RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REZONING OF ALL THREE PARCELS. SO I'VE DONE THAT.
I PROVIDED A MOTION ON TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, I HAVE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND I KNOW HE'S ON THE CALL, THE PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE AND THEY ARE ON THE CALL HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THEM.
I DIDN'T. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY NEW TO SHARE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION OR ROUTE TO. I GUESS CHANGE ANYTHING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR.
ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER BLUMER. AS I RECALL, THE ISSUE BEFORE US NOW IS WHETHER THE PETITIONER IS WILLING TO ACCEPT A REDUCED PARCEL AS PART OF ITS PROPOSAL, OTHERWISE IT WOULD END UP BEING A MOOT ISSUE BEFORE THE COURT IF THEY'RE GOING, BEFORE BEFORE THE COURT.
[INAUDIBLE] IF THEY'RE GOING TO ABANDON THEIR REQUEST.
WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, IF YOU'D LIKE ME, TO PROMOTE HIM TO A PANELISTS, ANSWER THAT QUESTION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
YES. ALL RIGHT, CHRIS, GET READY.
YOU'RE A PANELIST. I HOPE HE PREPARED.
NOPE. HE LOOKS THE SAME TO ME. AND YOU ARE MUTED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLUMER, FOR THAT QUESTION.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS CHRIS BUCK WITH MARTIN INVESTMENT PROPERTIES, 1111 MICHIGAN AVENUE IN EAST LANSING. I DO APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.
AND I KNOW THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.
FIRST, I'D REALLY LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE FOR THEIR TIME AND THEIR QUESTIONS AND SUGGESTIONS.
OUR TEAM HAS TAKEN A LOT OF NOTES AND WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF THE ADVICE AND FEEDBACK INTO CONSIDERATION. LOOKING AT THE TWO MOTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE FIRST RESOLUTION FOR A PARTIAL REZONING IS NOT OUR PREFERENCE SIMPLY BECAUSE OUR PLAN CAN'T BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE FRONT CORNER ALONE AND SUCCESSFUL REZONING OF JUST THAT PARCEL WOULD END UP WITH THE EXISTING TENANT IN A NON CONFORMING USE.
SO I THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE YOU CONSIDER THE SECOND REZONING FOR ALL THREE, SINCE THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL? THANK YOU. I THINK I HEARD A SEPARATE DISCUSSION THIS WEEK THAT THE PROPOSAL MAY BE A MEDICAL OFFICE THAT'S CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THE USE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE AND HOW IT BALANCES WITH OTHER AVAILABLE MEDICAL OFFICE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S KIND OF MORE THAN URGENT CARE, BUT NOT AN OVERNIGHT FACILITY.
HAVE I GOT THAT? IF THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING THAT ASPECT.
YEAH, I MEAN, THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ARE STILL BEING FORMED.
I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO BE HEALTH SERVICES, YOU KNOW A MEDICAL FACILITY.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.
BUT AS FAR AS JUST BEING IN THE IN THE REZONING CIRCUMSTANCE, I THINK WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP THIS TO LAND USE BECAUSE, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE LAST MEETING AND WHAT WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST IN ORDER TO TRY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD MAY ADJUST THE USES.
SO I'D RATHER NOT REALLY DIVULGE TOO MUCH, BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS PROPERTY OR TO THE PROJECT TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY WORK, I
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DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE WHAT TYPES OF SERVICES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE THERE.I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK IT IS AN EXCITING PROJECT, AND IF WE CAN GET THE REZONING TO GO OUR WAY, THEN THERE WILL COME A TIME WHERE ALL OF THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED.
THAT'S WHAT THEY IN THE BUSINESS CALL A TEASE.
[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER TREZISE AND THEN COMMISSIONER CORDILL.
YEAH I THINK I APPRECIATE MR. BUCK'S RESPONSE THAT AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT LAND USE REZONING.
AND IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, IT WOULD BE FOR ALL USES OF RIGHT.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MAY HAVE IN MIND DOWN THE ROAD.
IF WE HAD A BETTER PROPOSAL OR A MORE CONCRETE PROPOSAL FOR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN REVISIT THIS. BUT AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD REJECT THE REZONING BASED ON THE INCURSION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT KNOWING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH A REZONING AT THIS TIME. AND AND I AGREE WITH MR. BUCK, THE REZONING THE FRONT PIECE FROM INDUSTRIAL TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SIMPLY PUTS THAT BUSINESS IN A NON CONFORMING USE, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO ABSENT SOME SORT OF A REQUEST OR RATIONALE.
SO I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION DENYING THE REZONING.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL. I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER TREZISE'S COMMENTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR A REZONING WE DON'T GET PROJECT SPECIFIC.
IN A FEW INSTANCES AND THEY'RE PRETTY RARE AND IT'S NOT ON THE PART OF THE TOWNSHIP, BUT SOMETIMES FOR REZONING, THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED CONDITIONS FOR A REZONING.
BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, MY AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING THAT I AM AT THE POINT THAT IF THEY'RE NOT JUST CONSIDERING A RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND THAT SINGLE NOR EXCUSE ME, SINGLE SOUTHERN LOT, I WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OF REZONING THE WHOLE THREE PARCELS. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? OK, YEAH, I AM IN A SIMILAR POSITION AS MY COLLEAGUES.
I THINK THAT WELL, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT IT SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I DO THINK THERE IS MERIT TO REZONING THE SOUTHERNMOST PARCEL TO BE IN LINE WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S MASTER PLAN OR BETTER IN LINE WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S MASTER PLAN.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME.
AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO HAVE THESE PARCELS IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE SHOULD ANYTHING BEFALL THE BUSINESS ON THAT PARCEL, WERE IT TO BE A NONCONFORMING USE AFTER THE FACT.
SO TO WIT, I, TOO, WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RESOLUTION TO DENY THE REZONING IN TOTAL AFTER FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THE WHEREASES, BUT THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT, THE REQUEST TO REZONE THREE PARCELS ON ITS TWENTY ONE ZERO TWENTY TO REZONE THREE PARCELS ON JOLLY ROAD AND KANSAS ROAD FROM INDUSTRIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
AND THE BOTTOM IS NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE CHARTER OF THE CHARTER'S TOWNSHIP OF MERIDIAN HEREBY RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF REZONING TWO ONE ZERO TWO ZERO TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES THREE PARCELS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JOLLY ROAD, EAST OF KANSAS ROAD FROM INDUSTRIAL AND A RA SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO PO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER PREMOE, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT TO SIMPLIFY THAT, WE ARE MOVING TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF REZONING NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO TWO ZERO, JUST TO, BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS A LOT IN THERE.
TWO ONE ZERO TWO ZERO AS PRESENTED, WE'RE REJECTING.
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YES THANK YOU.COMMISSIONER PREMOE. I JUST WANT US TO BE CLEAR THAT A YES VOTE IS A VOTE FOR DENIAL.
CORRECT. IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE TO HAVE IT THAT WAY.
YEAH. ALWAYS, ALWAYS TRICKY ON THE ON THE REDUNDANT DENIAL RESOLUTIONS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
YES FOR DENIAL. COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
YES. AND COMMISSIONER TREZISE.
SO YOUR REQUEST FOR REZONING HAS BEEN DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OF COURSE, THIS WILL GO ON TO THE TOWNSHIP BOARD FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. BUCK. WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR BY.
THANKS, CHRIS. I WANT TO POINT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE SOME PEOPLE WATCHING FROM HOME ON THIS ISSUE, THEIR BOARD WILL CONSIDER THIS AT THEIR APRIL 13 MEETING. SO SAME PROCESS WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE TOWNSHIP BOARD.
YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE A LETTER FROM ME AHEAD OF THAT MEETING, SO PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM AGENDA ITEM SEVEN B, UNFINISHED BUSINESS, SPECIAL USE PERMIT
[7.B. Special Use Permit #21011 (Lansing Mart Associates, LLC), excavate approximately 23,813 cubic feet (approximately 881 cubic yards) of soil from the floodplain to construct a retention pond at 2020 Grand River Avenue that will serve several commercial properties in the surrounding area.]
NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO ONE ONE, LANSING MART ASSOCIATES, LLC TO EXCAVATE APPROXIMATELY TWENTY THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN CUBIC FEET, OR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE CUBIC YARDS OF SOIL FROM THE FLOODPLAIN TO CONSTRUCT A RETENTION POND AT 2020 GRAND RIVER AVENUE THAT WILL SERVE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.WE WILL HAND THINGS BACK OFF TO PETER FOR A QUICK INTRO.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE NOTHING REALLY NEW TO REPORT THE PROJECTS AS EXPLAINED LAST TIME. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS ON THE WETLAND.
WE DID HAVE THE WETLAND CONSULTANT OUT.
THE APPLICANT PAID FOR THE THEY HAD PAID BEFORE.
BUT IT WAS I THINK WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT THAT WETLAND VERIFICATION TO US, THERE WAS TWO FEET OF SNOW ON THE GROUND.
SO WE HAD THE WETLAND CONSULTANT ON THE SITE LAST WEEK.
THEY VERIFIED THE LOCATION OF THE WETLANDS.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT LOCATED IN A REGULATED WETLAND OR REGULATED THE WETLAND SETBACK.
SO THAT'S SO PERIOD THAT'S THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
I DID INCLUDE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS HERE JUST TO ENSURE, I GUESS, THAT EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY ON SITE, ONE OF WHICH IS THE APPLICANT OR CONDITION ON APPROVAL FROM THE.
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT, SORRY, ENVIRONMENT GREAT LAKES AND ENERGY FOR THE WORK IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
TYPICALLY THESE WE SEE THESE REPLOT, THESE APPLICATIONS OFTEN WHEN THEY ALREADY HAD THAT EGLE PERMIT. IN THIS CASE, THEY DON'T HAVE IT YET.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'LL THEY RUN AND I THINK THEY WILL GET THE PERMIT.
STATE MUST BE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN US IN THIS CASE.
SO CONDITION ON THAT, CONDITION ON HAVING THOSE WETLAND BOUNDARIES AND SETBACKS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY MARKED ON THE SITE.
SO THEY'LL DO THAT WITH STAKING AND THAT'LL BE VERIFIED BY PROBABLY SOMEONE FROM OUR ENGINEERING CREW WHEN THEY'RE ON SITE DOING BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO GET A [INAUDIBLE] EROSION SEDIMENTATION CONTROL PERMIT.
AND THAT'S IF YOU SEE THE BLACK.
OH, WHAT DOES THAT STUFF CALLED? SILK FENCING. SILK FENCING, THANK YOU.
IF YOU SEE THAT STUFF AROUND, THAT'S THE RESULT OF SOIL EROSION, SEDIMENTATION CONTROL PERMIT. SO WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE CHECKING THAT THAT'S UP, BUT ALSO CHECKING THAT NO EXCAVATIONS TAKING PLACE IN THE WELL AND.
ALSO THE EXCAVATED MATERIALS ARE NOT PLACED ON THE FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY ALL FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA OR IN THE WETLANDS OR IN ANY WETLAND SETBACK.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUCKED OFF SITE.
SO I INCLUDED THOSE CONDITIONS, ALONG WITH OTHER MORE TECHNICAL CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE MORE OFTEN IN THE RESOLUTION THAT'S ATTACHED.
AND AS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION, I SEE COMMISSIONER CORDILL. YES, THANK YOU.
I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE'S A REFERENCE TO DETENTION POND, BUT IN THE RESOLUTION, IT'S CALLING IT A RETENTION POND.
ARE THEY INTERCHANGEABLE? WHAT I LEARNED FROM AN ENGINEER IS, NO, THEY ARE NOT.
THE CORRECT WORD IS RETENTION.
SOMETIMES I, I GUESS I MESSED UP THERE, BUT THE INTENT WAS RETENTION.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ERROR.
SO THE RESOLUTION IS THE CORRECT USES THE CORRECT TERM.
YES. SO DON'T ASK ME TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S MORE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT OR NOT.
GOTCHA. YEAH, I KIND OF A LITTLE MUDDY ON IT, EXCUSE THE PUN.
[LAUGHTER] CAN WE INSERT A CLAUSE REQUIRING THEM TO STACK IT
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THE WORDS DETAIN AND RETAIN.RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLUMER, WHAT WAS THAT YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE SAYING? I WAS SAYING CAN WE INSERT A CLAUSE REQUIRING THEM TO STOCK IT WITH BASS? I DID HAVE A QUESTION, PETER, ABOUT THE SECOND CONDITION THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING ABOUT NOT REQUIRING MAY NOT OCCUR IN THE 20 FOOT NATURAL VEGETATION STRIP WITHOUT A VARIANCE FROM THE ZBA. IS THAT AS SOMEONE WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THE AGENDA OF THE ZBA, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN? NO, NOT AT ALL. AND IT'S REALLY I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN, WHEN I PUT THESE TOGETHER. I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW HOW CAN WE BEST PROTECT THE TOWNSHIP IN ANY IN ANY GIVEN SCENARIO? I DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY VARIANCE.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WHEN WE DO WHEN WORK IS PROPOSED ADJACENT TO A WETLAND, WE HAVE THE FIRST 20 FEET CLOSEST TO THE WETLAND, IT'S CALLED THE NATURAL VEGETATION STRIP.
AND YOU JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN THAT AREA AT ALL.
AND THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE SECOND 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE WETLAND.
HOWEVER, IN SOME CASES, WE DO ALLOW MINOR MINOR GRADING AS LONG AS IT'S PUT BACK THE WAY IT WAS. SO IT'S NOT UNEXPECTED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME GRADING IN THAT AREA AS LONG AS IT'S PUT BACK TO EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
SO WE'RE ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THAT FIRST 20 FEET IN THIS INSTANCE.
I THINK THIS WAS PUT HERE MORE AS A REMINDER TO THE APPLICANT THAN ANYTHING THAT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AND THAT THAT'S THE THE NOT PUNISHMENT, BUT THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH IF YOU ARE EVEN CONSIDERING ANY KIND OF GRADING IN THAT AREA.
OK, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS TOPIC.
DON'T ALL JUMP AT ONCE, COMMISSIONER BLUMER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ITEM TWENTY ONE ZERO ELEVEN LANSING MART ASSOCIATES. AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC? COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL.
SORRY, I APOLOGIZE AT THE LAST MEETING.
I STRUGGLED A BIT WITH ELECTRONIC PACKET, AND THESE PACKETS ARE WONDERFUL.
THEY'RE EVERYTHING YOU COULD ASK FOR AN ELECTRONIC PACKET, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH IT IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
I DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MARCH EIGHTH PACKET.
AND IN THE LETTER FROM LSG ENGINEERS ON FEBRUARY 12, THEY TALK ABOUT DETENTION AND THOSE TERMS GET USED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO THE CONFUSION IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
MY PERSONAL TAKE IS THAT IF ANY BASIN YOU BUILD IS GOING TO DETAIN IN A SLOW IT DOWN AND SOME OF ITS SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO RETAIN A BIT.
SO THAT'S HOW I KIND OF UNDERSTAND DETENTION AND RETENTION.
I ALSO NOTICED IN THE APPLICATION SEVERAL MENTIONS BY THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE WATER THAT WOULD BE IMPROVED THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BASIN, THIS FIRST [INAUDIBLE]. AND I UNDERSTAND FROM A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS HOW WATER WILL BE DETAINED, DIG A HOLE AND THE WATER SLOWS DOWN ON ITS WAY OUT.
BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME HOW THE WATER QUALITY WOULD BE IMPROVED.
AND SO AS I DUG OUT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, I IT SEEMS THAT THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER TALKS A LITTLE BIT IN THE LETTER ABOUT.
FINAL APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN IS CONDITIONAL ON THERE'S A LIST OF FIVE THINGS ADDITIONS OF LID ELEMENTS TO CONTROL VOLUME, ADDITIONAL TREES COULD COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT.
IS THAT CONDITION BY THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE WATER QUALITY ISSUE? OR ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BASIN THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT THAT COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT? WELL, IF YOU ARE ALL ON BOARD, THAT IS DEFINITELY OUTSIDE MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT THE APPLICANT, THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT IS ON THE CALL IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING
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FROM HER.I SEE SHE'S RAISING HER HAND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING.
I'M GOING TO. I GUESS IT'S A PROMOTION, RIGHT, TO THE PANEL, YOU WOULDN'T MIND ANSWERING THE QUESTION. AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OK, THIS IS MICHELLE SHUMAKER WITH LSG ENGINEERS AND SURVEYORS ADDRESS THIRTY ONE THIRTY FIVE PINE TREE ROAD, LANSING, MICHIGAN, FOUR EIGHT NINE ONE ONE, WHERE AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS HERE.
FIRST QUESTION WAS DETENTION AND RETENTION? DETENTION USUALLY REFERS TO THE WATERS BEING SLOWED DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THE WATER WILL STILL GO INTO THE OKEMOS DRAIN, WHICH RUNS BEHIND THE LARGE SPECIFIED BUILDING. RETENTION USUALLY MEANS THERE'S NO OUTLET FROM THAT POND, AND SO THE ONLY WAY WATER WOULD GET OUT IS INFILTRATION OR EVAPORATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE.
NOW, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION, IF NOT, LET ME KNOW.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE WATER QUALITY ISSUE, WHAT THE [INAUDIBLE] DRAIN COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE HAS ASKED FOR WITH WATER QUALITY, BY HAVING THAT POND THERE AND HAVING TIME FOR THE WATER TO SIT IN THE DETENTION POND BEFORE IT LEAVES THE POND AND GOES INTO THE DRAIN, THAT GIVES TIME FOR THINGS LIKE OIL OR GRIT THAT MIGHT ACCUMULATE ON THE PARKING LOT AND GO THROUGH THE STORM SYSTEM TO SETTLE OUT IN THE BASIN AND NOT END UP IN THE DRAIN OR END UP TO A LESSER EXTENT, THEN OBVIOUSLY NECESSARY DOWN THE ROAD, THE FIRST FLUSH BASIN CAN BE CLEANED OUT AND OF THOSE ITEMS AND PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING TO THE DRAIN.
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THINGS.
OK, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL. I GUESS MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS ABOUT HOW THE BASIN WOULD BE VEGETATED, BECAUSE I VISIT OTHER STORM WATER BASINS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN THE TOWNSHIP RECENTLY AND LONGER, THEY SEEM TO BE MAINLY TURF THAT'S MOWED.
AND I HAVE HEARD MANY THINGS ABOUT OTHER VEGETATION THAT CAN BE PLANTED IN SUCH PLACES OR AT LEAST ALONG THE EDGES THAT PROVIDES OTHER ASPECTS OF WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
SO WHEN I SAW THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER ASKING FOR TREES AS PART OF A LID, WHICH I, IS THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT? YES. THAT WAS KIND OF INTENDED FOR THAT PURPOSE? WHAT WE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS JUST SEEDING BASICALLY FOR EROSION CONTROL, LIKE THE FIRST BASINS YOU HAD MENTIONED.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED SPECIFICALLY YET TO DO ANY WETLAND PLANTINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY IN THE WETLAND AREA, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WETLAND PLANTINGS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IT'S SOMETHING I CAN TAKE BACK TO THE LANDOWNER AND ASK IF IT'S MADE A REQUIREMENT.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO OFFER A VERY SMALL AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONS, IF I MIGHT.
THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THAT.
RIGHT, SO CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT READS, UTILITY GRADING AND STORM DRAINAGE PLANS FOR THE SITE ARE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SHALL BE COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEERING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
AND I WOULD PROPOSE ADDING AT THE END OF THAT AND SHALL INCLUDE MEASURES TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE WATER LEAVING THE SITE.
MY THOUGHT IN THAT, IF I MIGHT EXPLAIN, IS THAT IF IF THE APPLICANT AND DRAIN COMMISSIONER COME TO.
YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN IT UNTIL YOU GET A SECOND.
YEAH, YEAH WE NEED A SECOND IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SEEING NONE, THE MOTION FAILS.
OK, ANYTHING ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AS COMMISSIONER, HOPEFULLY WILL BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AS COMMISSIONER CORDILL POINTED OUT, WE THE RESOLUTION DOES SAY RETENTION AND THE APPLICANT HAS CLARIFIED THAT IT IS DETENTION.
SO I WOULD CHANGE THAT ONE ONE LETTER WHERE WHERE IT'S INCLUDED.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE FIRST, WHEREAS.
BUT I WILL YES, THE FIRST WHEREAS, THIRD LINE, FIRST WORD TO READ DETENTION, NOT RETENTION.
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I UNDERSTAND WE'RE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE ABOUT COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL'S COMMENT, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT HIS POINT IS, MAYBE THAT IS THE NECESSARY STEP TO SEE IF A SECOND WOULD BE TAKEN.OK, YEAH, I THINK THAT PERHAPS AS A PART OF DISCUSSION OF THE OF THE MAIN ISSUE HERE, COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL, YOU MIGHT HELP TO ENLIGHTEN US AS TO THE NEED FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT MOTION.
YEAH, THANKS, I UNDERSTAND THE RELUCTANCE OF THE COMMISSION TO IMPOSE A CONDITION AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND MAYBE IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT AS WE LOOK TOWARDS REVISING ORDINANCES TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES AND GUIDANCE ON FUTURE PROPOSALS, THAT WHEN THERE IS A PLAN TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY AS WELL AS RETAIN THE WATER FROM FLOODING PROPERTIES, THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEEK TO DO.
YEAH, I THINK MY HESITANCY WITH WITH THE PREVIOUS MOTION IS, AS DISCUSSED, WAS THAT I WAS I WAS SORT OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE DRAIN COMMISSIONERS, I THINK BECAUSE THE SEPARATE CONDITION IN HERE ABOUT GETTING DRAIN COMMISSIONER APPROVAL.
AND SO MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED BY THE DRAIN COMMISSIONER'S REQUIREMENTS PER THE LETTER THAT YOU CITED IN YOUR DISCUSSION EARLIER.
SO IT WAS NOT SO MUCH THAT I DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULD STRIVE TO CLEAN THE WATER, IT WAS MORE THAT I THINK IT MIGHT IT MAY ALREADY BE A PART OF THE RESOLUTION, EVEN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, TANGENTIALLY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD RESOLUTION ON WHETHER THE MOTION MAKER WOULD CONSIDER MY LETTER CHANGED FROM THE AMENDMENTS, I WILL I WILL POSE THAT TO COMMISSIONER BLUMER, WHO I BELIEVE MADE THIS MOTION.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO YOUR FRIENDLY MOTION.
SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE APPLICANT FOR COMING AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EXCAVATING.
[8.A. MUPUD ordinance.]
WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT A.WHICH IS OTHER BUSINESS MUPUD ORDINANCE.
AND PETER HAS THE FRUITS OF A LOT OF HARD LABOR ON THIS.
BY BOTH HE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO, PETER, IF YOU CAN OR A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WISHES TO GIVE AN UPDATE AT THE START, THAT'D BE FINE, TOO.
BUT FOR NOW, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO PETER AND HE CAN DEFER OUT TO OTHERS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'LL START AND PLEASE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JOIN IN. SO SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE TALKED THE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE FEBRUARY 16 MEETING.
THE REALLY IT SEEMED TO ALL THE OTHER CHANGES SEEMED TO BOIL DOWN TO AMENITIES.
SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY FOCUS HERE.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE OR ATTEMPTED TO DO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ACCOMPLISHED IT, WAS UPDATING THAT SECTION TO DIVIDE IT INTO WEIGHTED CATEGORIES.
SO THE IDEA HERE IS EACH PROJECT FEATURE IS WORTH EITHER ONE, TWO OR THREE AMENITIES, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, SCALE AND VALUE.
AND WHEN I SAY VALUE, I MEAN EITHER FINANCIALLY, FINANCIAL VALUE OR I GUESS THE ESTHETIC VALUE OR ANY RENDERING ANY IN BETWEEN ON THAT.
SO YOU'LL SEE ON, WHERE IS IT? GET TO IT. THE ORDINANCE IS QUITE LONG AT THIS POINT.
PAGE NINE IN THE ORDINANCE, PAGE FORTY FOUR IN THE PDF FOR THE PACKET OF OUR MEETING PACKET FOR TONIGHT. HERE'S WHERE THEY START.
SO. ON THE PAGE BEFORE THAT, ON PAGE FORTY THREE IS WHERE THE SECTION STARTS AND YOU SEE THIS, SOME EDITS TO JUST THE STANDARD.
SO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND THE GUIDELINES AND THE CHANGES.
AND I'LL JUST RECAP THEM FROM LAST TIME.
WHERE WE REQUIRE AN AMENITY, THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE AMENITY.
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WE TALKED ABOUT INCORPORATING FOUR AMENITIES IN ADDITION TO THOSE REQUIRED TO GET THAT DENSITY BONUS. AND LET'S COME BACK TO DENSITY, THE WAIVERS, EVERY WAIVER HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE AMENITY RELATED TO IT OR PROVIDED THAT THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEN ONE OR MORE AMENITIES MUST BE IN EACH PROJECT PHASE IF THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED AS PHASED. SO.THEN YOU GET DOWN TO NUMBER THREE AND I JUST CHANGE IT, TO EXAMPLES OF POSSIBLE AMENITIES, BECAUSE THE GROUP EMPHASIZED IN THE PAST THAT WE DON'T WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.
THERE'S CHEATS TWOFOLD. WE'RE PROVIDING A BIG LIST, SO THERE'S PLENTY TO PICK FROM.
BUT ALSO, YOU'RE NOT LIMITED NECESSARILY TO THIS LIST, SO.
AND I TOOK ALL THE CATEGORIES OUT, IT WAS DIVIDED INTO TRANSPORTATION OR CULTURAL ENDS OR SOME OTHER CATEGORIES, TOOK ALL THOSE OUT.
AND WHAT I'VE DONE IS NOT ONLY JUST REORGANIZED THE AMENITIES THAT WERE IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE, SOME JUST OUTRIGHT ELIMINATED.
AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN PREVIOUS DRAFTS, LIKE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, IT'S GONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXPECTATION.
RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN.
I HAVE THAT CONCERN AND I KNOW SHARED BY MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND I'VE HEARD OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS SAY IT, THAT THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OR THINGS THAT SHOULD BE IN EVERY PROJECT ARE NOT AMENITIES.
SO THOSE WERE JUST OUTRIGHT REMOVED.
THE ONES THAT WERE LEFT WERE SHUFFLED INTO THESE CATEGORIES OF WEIGHTS.
AND I AM BY NO MEANS THE ARBITER OF HOW MANY AMENITIES ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT FEATURE COUNTS AS. SO THAT IS UP FOR DEBATE.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IN THE STAFF MEMO IS THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT I'M SUGGESTING THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE A LIST HERE THAT MAYBE WE SEND THIS BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR ONE MORE MEETING PRIOR TO BRINGING IT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION FOR POSSIBLE ZONING AMENDMENT.
AND I SAY THAT JUST TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE WORK TO BE DONE HERE.
BUT SO LET'S START ON PAGE FORTY FOUR OF THE PACKET.
YOU'LL SEE PROJECT FEATURES COUNTING AS THREE AMENITIES, AND WE'VE GOT ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND I STUCK WITH THREE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE IDEA GENERALLY WAS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT THERE IS PROBABLY NOT ONE AMENITY THAT WILL TAKE THE PLACE BECAUSE YOU ONLY NEED YOU NEED FOUR ADDITIONAL TO GET THIS DENSITY BONUS.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THREE OF THOSE WOULD BE SOME INCREDIBLE FEATURE AND THEN THERE'D BE ROOM FOR ANOTHER ONE. SO I TRIED TO KEEP THESE TO THE BIG ONES, SO LEED CERTIFICATION OR SIMILAR IS DEFINITELY A BIG EXPENSE.
IT CHECKS A LOT OF THE BOXES THAT ARE DETAILED IN SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES FURTHER DOWN. MULTILEVEL PARKING DECKS OR UNDERGROUND PARKING, THE LAST ESTIMATE I HEARD FOR UNDERGROUND PARKING IS THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A SPACE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY A BIG, BIG COST.
AND TO HAVE THAT PARKING ON SITE UNDERGROUND, TO NOT SURFACE LOTS CERTAINLY IS A BIG FEATURE, DESIRED FEATURE.
AND THEN I DID HAVE SOME OTHER ONES THAT I HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH ON.
SO A MINIMUM OF 20 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL UNITS WITHIN DEVELOPMENT IDENTIFIED AS AFFORDABLE UNITS, THIS MAY NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION.
THE ONLY OTHER PROJECT THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS CONSIDERED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS AND MARK MAY HAVE TO HELP ME HERE WITH THE ELEVATION.
THEY THE BOARD IN APPROVING THE ELEVATION PROJECT DOWN AT JOLLY AND OKEMOS IDENTIFIED WAS IT THREE PERCENT OF ALL THE TOTAL THE UNITS HAD TO BE AFFORDABLE AND THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS THE WHATEVER.
I THINK THE 80 PERCENT OF THE MEDIAN SALARY, MEDIAN SALARY IN A GIVEN AREA.
SO WE HAVE THEN WE HAVE PROJECT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL GROSS FLOOR AREA IDENTIFIED FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES SUCH AS RETAIL RESTAURANT, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GUESS IT'S A GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULDN'T SEE JUST RESIDENCES AND NOT ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVES A LEG UP TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO ARE PLANNING ON INCLUDING SOME NONRESIDENTIAL SPACE ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
VERTICAL MIXING THE LAND USES, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT BY THIS GROUP RIGHT NOW AND YOU SEE AROUND THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT ARE HORIZONTALLY MIXED AND IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE OF MIXED USE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY JIVE. SO THIS WOULD.
ALLOW SOME DEFINITELY ALSO ANOTHER LEG UP FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSING THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. PROJECTS INCLUDING UNIQUE HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND 75 PERCENT OF ALL FACADES COVERED WITH NATURAL MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK OR STONE.
THIS IS JUST ESTHETICS, REALLY.
AND THEN A DEDICATED OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACE AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, I HAVE
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FIFTEEN HUNDRED CONTIGUOUS SQUARE FEET.I CAN TELL YOU OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF MUPUD ORDINANCES FROM MICHIGAN AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THEY'RE NOT IT'S NOT ALWAYS BY THE SAME NAME, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A SCALED POINT SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN AN APPROACH LIKE THIS.
BUT THE THEME THAT I TRIED TO GO FOR WAS STARTING WITH AND OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACES IS WHAT KIND OF REMINDED ME OF THIS, STARTING WITH ONE AMENITY, IT'S REALLY TAKING THE PRINCIPAL IDEA AND GOING UP IN SCALE AS YOU GO UP.
SO RIGHT NOW, UNDER THIS THREE AMENITY, WE'VE GOT DEDICATED OUTDOOR SPACE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SIZE TO IT.
WE'RE JUST DESIGNATING SOME SORT OF FUNCTION HERE, SITTING, DOING DINING, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. AS YOU GO DOWN IN AMENITY NUMBER, YOU'LL SEE THAT IS LESS.
SO THE FIRST AMENITY IS JUST A PRIVATELY MAINTAINED COURTYARD WITH SEATING FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND NUMBER TWO IS PUBLIC OUTDOOR SEATING'S, SEATING'S PLAZAS THAT INCLUDE BENCHES, OUTDOOR SEATING. SO THE IDEA WAS TO GO UP IN SCALE THE MORE AMENITIES THAT WE WERE COUNTING AS.
THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER OR THE CATEGORY OF ONE AMENITY, YOU WILL SEE COVERED BICYCLE PARKING ON STORAGE ON SITE.
AND IT'S I THINK WE'LL NEED TO CLARIFY THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE THAT PLUS INDIVIDUAL BICYCLE LOCKERS OR LOCKER BANKS.
AND THEN AS YOU GET TO NUMBER THREE, IT'S THOSE PLUS.
WELL, I'M NOT SEEING THAT ONE.
I THOUGHT I HAD A BICYCLE ONE IN HERE FOR NUMBER THREE, BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD ADD ONE.
BUT I THINK THE GENERAL IDEA WAS TO TAKE ANY GIVEN CONCEPT.
AND AS YOU GO UP ADDS TO IT AND IT'S WORTH MORE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE MUCH MORE OF YOUR TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT THIS WAS MY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO NOT ONLY DESIGNATE SOME SORT OF WEIGHT FOR EACH OF THEM, BUT ALSO TO ADD TO THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAD.
SO BASED ON ALL MY RESEARCH, I JUST MADE A BIG LIST OF ANY AMENITY THAT I SAW THAT SEEMED REASONABLE IN THIS CONTEXT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MORE AMENITIES OUT THERE THAT MAYBE ARE MORE URBAN AREAS THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE HERE.
WE CERTAINLY COULD ADD MORE, IF YOU LIKE.
BUT I FIGURED THIS WOULD GET THE DISCUSSION GOING.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM A SUBCOMMITTEE WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER CORDILL. THIS IS GREAT PROGRESS.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE PETER'S EFFORTS INTO BEING GIVEN THE TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH, AND I'M IMPRESSED BY JUST CREATING THIS WHOLE WHOLE SECTION.
CAN I JUST GET A REMINDER OF WHO'S ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IS THAT COMMISSIONER CORDILL, PREMOE AND WAS IT MCCONNELL? RICHARDS. AMBER.
AND DON'T FORGET DIRECTOR CLARK AND DIRECTOR KIESELBACH.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND LET ME ASSURE YOU, IT'S NOTHING WE SAID THAT CAUSED MARK TO RETIRE.
[LAUGHTER] THIS WAS THIS WAS IT.
YOU'RE CHANGING MUPUD, I'M DONE.
YEAH, THIS WAS REALLY WELL DONE.
I LIKE THE I LIKE THE DIRECTION AND THE CATEGORIZATION.
I HAD ONE OR TWO THOUGHTS BASED ON MY VERY BRIEF REVIEW OF THIS.
AND I DO THINK ONE MORE STINT IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO JUST TO GET ONE LAST STAMP OF APPROVAL.
FOR TO GIVE OUT THE HEIGHT DENSITY BONUS IF THEY WERE ALL COMING FROM CATEGORY ONE.
AND SO I THINK WE MIGHT PROTECT OURSELVES SIMPLY BY SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T ALL COME FROM THAT FIRST TIER JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A LARGE WINDFALL TO BE HAD FROM PICKING A COUPLE OF THESE LOWER COST ITEMS. SO I MIGHT TRY TO FORCE THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE TO GET AT LEAST THE HEIGHT BONUS.
I MISSED THE PART ABOUT NEEDING THEM FOR WAIVERS AND THEN ADDITIONAL FOR THE HEIGHT BONUS. THAT'S TERRIFIC.
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DEFINITELY LIKE THAT.AND THEN THE ONLY ONE OF THESE THAT I FOUND THAT THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WAS IN THE THREE POINT CATEGORY, THE THREE THE THREE AMENITY CATEGORY NUMBER FOUR.
WHICH IS PROJECT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE BUILDINGS FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES.
SO IF THEY WERE TO SCALE UP TO A FIVE STORY BUILDING FROM THE FROM THE HEIGHT BONUS, ARE WE NOW TALKING ABOUT THEORETICALLY, ASSUMING THAT ALL THE FLOORS THE SAME TWO AND A HALF FLOORS OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE FOR THAT AMENITY? THAT WAS THE INTENT, YEAH, THE IDEA WAS THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE NONRESIDENTIAL AND CERTAINLY NOT 50, THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 50.
YEAH, I JUST I LOVE THE SPIRIT OF IT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE GEARED TOWARD A TWO STORY OR A THREE STORY BUILDING, MAYBE THAT AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, AS THEY GET BIGGER.
SO WE MAY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW IF WE IF, IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT, HOW WE CAN SCALE THAT FROM ONE FLOOR TO MANY.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT PATH HERE, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. COMMISSIONER CORDILL.
I'M SORRY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, WHAT WERE? CHAIR, WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO AS FIRST TIER? WAS THAT WHICH NUMBER OF POINTS? SORRY, THE ONE POINT.
COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL AND THEN DIRECTOR CLARK.
YEAH, THANKS, ON THE THREE AMENITY LIST QUESTION AND A COMMENT.
THE QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE FIRST ONE LISTED FOR LEADERSHIP IN ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN CERTIFICATION, I THINK I HEARD STAFF MENTION THAT THAT ACTUAL CERTIFICATION CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND MSU BUILDS TO A IT'S CERTIFIABLE BUT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
AND I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE THE TOWNSHIP THAT DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE THAT THIS WOULD QUALIFY FOR LEED CERTIFICATION IF THE QUALIFIED CERTIFIER WERE TO, I DON'T WANT TO PUT STAFF IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO DECIDE WHETHER SOMETHING IS LEED QUALIFIED, IF THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND THE. COMMENT IS MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT INCLUDES UNIQUE HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND 75 PERCENT OF ALL FACADES, AND I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE SORT OF DURABLE BUILDING MATERIALS AND THINGS.
BUT I THINK AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT IS THE ISSUE OF HOW BUILDINGS GET REUSED IN THE FUTURE AND HOW HOW DIFFICULT CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS ARE TO DEMOLISH AND AND REUSE, RECAPTURE OR HOW MUCH GOES INTO LANDFILL.
AND THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT OF NONRESIDENTIAL USAGE.
AND WHEN WE HEARD SOME PRESENTATIONS ON THE VILLAGE OF OKEMOS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT IN A WAY THAT COULD BE EASILY CONVERTED TO OTHER USES IN THE FUTURE AS THAT MARKET EVOLVES.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CAPTURE THAT IN AN MUPUD ORDINANCE, BUT THE NOTION THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING FLEXIBILITY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING EVERY TIME IT DOESN'T FIT OUR SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS TODAY.
AND IF WE DO THAT, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, THAT'D BE GREAT. DIRECTOR CLARK.
THANK YOU. I CAN QUICKLY JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THE LEED CERTIFICATION, SO LEED CERTIFICATION HAS MULTIPLE LAYERS THEY'RE LIKE BRONZE, SILVER, GOLD, PLATINUM, I BELIEVE ARE THE FOUR.
SO THE CERTIFICATION ITSELF IS A VERIFICATION.
WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT, BECAUSE THE PROGRAM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE CERTIFIED AT WHATEVER LEVEL THEY CHOOSE, THAT IS HANDLED BY LEED ITSELF.
SO BASICALLY THEY WOULD BE IN ORDER.
YOU SEE THAT LITTLE CERTIFIED STICKER ON A BUILDING THAT AND WHATEVER LEVEL THEY ARE, THEY'VE PREPARED THAT BUILDING BASED ON LEED STANDARDS.
FROM MY STANDPOINT, IN THIS POSITION IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO HIT ON THE ISSUE OF HAVING A MUPUD THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY M THAT JUST HAD RESIDENTIAL.
RIGHT. THAT WE CONTINUE TO GO BACK TO PROJECTS WHERE THE COMMUNITY'S NOT GETTING THAT PUBLIC. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE IN WORDS WHAT EXACTLY OR HOW MUCH OF
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THE PUBLIC SPACE OR THE NONLIVING SPACE NEEDS TO BE IN A BUILDING THAT, WE'RE NO EXPERT.SO DEFINITELY WE'RE LOOKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE US SOME GUIDELINES OF WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
MAYBE THAT IS ON A SCALE OR BY A BUILDING SIZE SHOULD THIS MUCH SQUARE FEET OR THIS PERCENT OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S OUR ATTEMPT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT THEY SHOULD COME PREPARED WITH THEIR NONRESIDENTIAL SPACES AND THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF THE PROJECT.
I, IF I WERE TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT POSITION, THE WHOLE TOWN WOULD BE LIKE BLONDIE'S BAR.
AND I WOULD JUST TELL EVERYBODY, JUST SHIP LAB EVERYTHING AND KEEP IT SIMPLE OR SOMETHING. SO AS FAR AS FAÇADE, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW.
I WHAT I CAN SAY, THOUGH, IF WE'RE BUILDING THIS, IF WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING FOR MIXED USE, I WOULD IMAGINE WE WANT IT TO HAVE SOME LONGEVITY.
SO I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING IT IN ORDER TO BE DEMOLISHED.
I KNOW THAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING IS FINE AND THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND ALTERNATIVE USES INSIDE THIS MIXED USE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEMOLITION ISN'T NECESSARILY SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERING WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS GO UP.
AND THEN MY OTHER OUTSIDE THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, I KEEP THINKING I'VE ALWAYS HAD A GOOD AMENITY. IS THIS A GOOD AMENITY? BUT I AM I'M HOPING THAT PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CAN HELP THE SUBCOMMITTEE REALLY HIT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE COMMUNAL PUBLIC SPACES. WE'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT PICKLEBALL AND VOLLEYBALL AND PUBLIC POOLS AND ALL THESE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS.
WHAT ARE THEY WHAT ARE IS OUR COMMUNITY REALLY LOOKING FOR? AS FAR AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MULTIPLE AGES COME TOGETHER TO USE A SPACE? AND WE CAN'T MAKE ALL OF THEM MAKE A FARMER'S MARKET OR SOMETHING.
BUT IF WE COULD IF THAT'S IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IS A FARMER'S MARKET IN EVERY FOUR CORNERS TO GATHER PEOPLE TOGETHER, THEN LET US KNOW.
THANKS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE COMPETITION FROM MARKETPLACE ON THE GREEN, BUT C'EST LA VIE. ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? A LOT OF A LOT OF GOOD TIME AND EFFORT WENT INTO THIS, SO THANK YOU TO PETER AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR WORKING ON THIS THUS FAR, I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK IF WE COULD HAVE THIS BUTTONED UP ONE MORE MEETING PERHAPS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAN ON THIS BEING ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE I THINK IT'S APRIL 12TH MEETING TO INITIATE THE ZONING AMENDMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD FOR THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
AND SO THEY'LL SEE THE LIST OF AMENITIES.
AND I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL KICK START A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS AT THEIR LEVEL AS WELL TO, YOU KNOW, TO AUGMENT THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS ONE MORE MEETING.
THEN WE'LL GET THIS ONTO THE NEXT STEP.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TOPIC BEFORE WE CLOSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NINE A, TOWNSHIP BOARD UPDATE.
[9.A. Township Board update.]
PETER, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT FOR US? YOU'RE MUTED NOW. I'VE GOT TWO SCREENS AND I'M TRYING TO MOVE STUFF AROUND, IT JUST SOMETIMES IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT SHOULD.OK, SO THE BOARD THAT WE MET LAST ON OR YOU MET.
I'M HERE, TOO, BUT FEBRUARY EIGHT.
AND THERE [INAUDIBLE] OH WOW IT'S MARCH, GEEZ.
WE MET ON MARCH EIGHTH, THE BOARD MET ON MARCH 16.
THEY DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF ITEMS, PLANNING RELATED ITEMS. REALLY, THERE WERE NONE.
I WILL UPDATE YOU ON RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA REALLY QUICKLY, BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY A TOPIC THAT IS, I'M SURE, ON YOUR MINDS.
THEY REALLY MADE NO SPECIFIC ADVANCES ON THAT TOPIC THUS FAR.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IN A FUTURE PUBLIC SURVEY. AND CERTAINLY WHETHER OR NOT THIS POLICY HAS A FUTURE HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, THERE WERE NO BIG DECISIONS MADE.
SO IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THEIR APRIL 13 MEETING TO DISCUSS FURTHER AND MAYBE YOU'LL SEE SOME SORT OF CONCLUSION OR AT LEAST GET DIRECTION AT THAT POINT.
SO IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I'LL DEFINITELY KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED.
I HAVE OUR CHAIR REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERVISOR ABOUT HAVING A MEETING AT SOME POINT PRIOR
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TO MAYBE A PUBLIC HEARING HAPPENING ON THAT TOPIC.SO I'M CERTAINLY KEEPING MY EARS AND EYES OPEN FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT DOES COME UP.
BUT THAT WAS THE SO THAT WAS THE BOARD MEETING THUS FAR.
AT THEIR NEXT MEETING ON THE 13TH, WE'LL HAVE THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE MARTIN REZONING AT KANSAS AND JOLLY, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE LANSING MART IS DONE BECAUSE THAT WAS DECIDED BY YOU TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THAT ZONING AMENDMENT THAT YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE CAR DEALERSHIPS AMENDMENT.
SO THAT'LL BE ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA NEXT TIME.
SO WE'LL HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETER? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE LIAISON REPORTS THEN.
[9.B. Liaison reports.]
ANYONE WISHING TO REPORT FROM THEIR COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.COMMISSIONER PREMOE. I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT THE VRA COMMITTEE MET AND THE PRIMARY THING THAT WE DID WAS ELECT OFFICERS FOR THE YEAR AND THE SLATE OF OFFICERS THAT HAS BEEN SERVING WAS, RE-CONFIRMED.
RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MET MARCH 18TH, SO JUST LAST WEEK.
SORRY, I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF TIME ANYMORE, LIKE, I JUST CAN'T.
SO THEY PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF THEIR AGENDA TO APPLY FOR A GRANT, TO GET SOME FUNDING TO COVER SOME OF THE EXPENSE OF THE MSU TO LAKE LANSING PATHWAY PHASE THREE. SO THAT RESOLUTION PASSED.
THAT WAS IN THE AMOUNT OF THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
BUT THEN THE BULK OF THEIR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, WHICH I BELIEVE AND ANYBODY WITH AUTHORITY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY SPOKE A LOT ABOUT THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN AND I BELIEVE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THAT, AMENDMENTS TO THAT.
SO, AGAIN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS OF CONCERN ON THE MAP, PLACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIKE GAPS BETWEEN PATHS, PLACES WHERE THE SHOULDER ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS.
COMMISSIONERS ALSO IDENTIFIED SEVERAL AREAS THAT PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PATHWAY EXPANSION THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE GAPS, THEY'RE IDENTIFYING PLACES WHERE WE COULD HAVE PATHS THAT WE DON'T. AND THEN THE EMPHASIS ON AMENDING THE PATHWAY MASTER PLAN WAS DRIVEN.
I BELIEVE, IN PART BY THE NOTION THAT IF IT'S ON IF IT'S ON THE MASTER PLAN, THEN DEVELOPERS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND INCORPORATE THESE PATHS, THESE NEW PATHWAYS AS THEY'RE AS THEY'RE CREATING, AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR PLANS.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THE EMPHASIS IN THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT ON THE PLAN SO THAT IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED WHEN DEVELOPERS DEVELOP.
AND DIRECTOR PERRY NOTED THAT HE WOULD BE MEETING WITH ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
HE MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF MEETING WITH US ON MAY 10TH.
AND I KNOW THAT AND I THINK IT WAS IN OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN COMMISSIONER CORDILL HAD MENTIONED WANTING TO MEET WITH DIRECTOR PERRY ANYWAY ABOUT THE REPAVING OF GRAND RIVER, I THINK IN THE SPRING OF 2022.
THANK YOU. YEAH, I IMAGINE THAT THAT HAS THEY'RE LOOKING TO WEIGH IN ON THE MASTER PLAN, THEIR PORTION OF THE MASTER, THE PATHWAYS PORTION OF THE MASTER PLAN BEFORE WE CRACK IT OPEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
SO IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE JUMP ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER CORDILL. THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY WILL HAVE THEIR MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY. UNFORTUNATELY, I WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT DIRECTOR CLARK WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
BUT THE CIA IS PLANNING ON SUPPORTING THE FORM BASED CODE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT SUBMITTING A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT.
EXCELLENT. DO YOU WANT MORE DETAILS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR THE VERY WELL WRITTEN LETTER? [LAUGHTER] I'M SURE WE'LL BE SEEING IT IN OUR PACKET NEXT TIME AROUND.
YES. SO WE'LL LIVE IN SUSPENSE UNTIL THEN.
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RIGHT. ANYWAY, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SINCE THEY'RE ONLY MEETING EVERY OTHER MONTH, THEY SOME THINGS GET DRAWN OUT LIKE THIS, BUT THEY ARE FAVORABLE ON THAT.YEAH, I KNOW WE DO STILL HAVE THAT AS AN OUTSTANDING ITEM TO GET THOSE THOSE MATERIALS OVER TO THE BOARD AND ACTUALLY IT MAY BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE SINCE THE LETTER IS COMING THIS WEEK. MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD IMPETUS TO GET THAT MATERIAL TOGETHER AS WELL.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO LOOKING TO MOVE ON A COUPLE OF BIG ITEMS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS HERE. AND THEN I'LL GO AHEAD NEXT.
I WAS UNABLE TO MEET WITH THE ZBA ON THE, OUR MARCH 10TH MEETING.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY DID CONSIDER ONE CASE AND PROBABLY WAS NOT AS PITHY OR FULL OF MIRTH WITHOUT ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL LET THOSE LET THOSE THAT ATTENDED TO PRESENT ON THAT.
BUT THE MEETING ON THE TWENTY FOURTH WAS CANCELED FOR LACK OF BUSINESS.
SO. WE'LL BE MAYBE MEETING AGAIN MIDDLE OF APRIL.
AND THEN I DO JUST WANT TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE DIRECTOR KIESELBACH, AS WAS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER PREMOE EARLIER.
DIRECTOR KIESELBACH HAS ANNOUNCED THAT FORTY ONE YEARS IS QUITE ENOUGH [LAUGHTER] WORKING FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND HE'LL BE TAKING A WELL-EARNED RETIREMENT IN THE COMING MONTHS.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE THE INCREDIBLY HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US AND FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
AND WE CERTAINLY WISH YOU THE BEST AND WILL LIKELY BE SAYING THAT AGAIN OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS YOU PREPARE TO MOVE ON.
AND I THINK FROM ALL OF US FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU'RE MOVING ON TO BETTER THINGS HERE.
JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK EVERYONE.
NOW, I WON'T, MY LAST TIME IS AT THE END OF MAY, SO WE DO HAVE A FEW MORE MONTHS.
BUT IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER MANY YEARS.
AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME THROUGH, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD BODY TO WORK WITH FOR THE TOWNSHIP.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? I JUST MIGHT WARN YOU, MARK, THAT RETIREMENT IS AN ABSOLUTE MISNOMER.
YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU ARE BUSIER IN RETIREMENT THAN YOU HAVE.
YOU'LL WISH YOU COULD GO BACK TO WORK SOME DAYS.
VERY GOOD. WELL, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO PROJECT UPDATES, WHICH IS AGENDA ITEM
[10. PROJECT UPDATES]
NUMBER 10.NEW APPLICATIONS WE HAVE ONE A REZONING APPLICATION FOR NUMBER TWO ONE ZERO TWO ONE FOR NEW CHINA OF MICHIGAN.
THAT'S OVER BACK BEHIND WHOLEFOODS, I BELIEVE.
SITE PLANS RECEIVED NONE, SITE PLANS APPROVED, NONE.
SO IT BRINGS US TO OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC REMARKS.
WE APPEAR NOT TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC IN OUR ZOOM MEETING.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO AND RAISE YOUR HAND.
OTHERWISE, YOU CAN GIVE US A CALL AT (517) 349- 1232.
I'M HEARING NO TELEPHONE CALLS, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC REMARKS THEN AND MOVE ON TO ADJOURNMENT.
OH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WILL I WILL MENTION I THINK I MENTIONED THIS TO COMMISSIONER TREZISE AND TO PETER, MY WIFE IS EXPECTING AND WE ARE DUE APRIL 20TH.
SO COMING UP VERY, VERY SOON HERE.
SO WHILE I ANTICIPATE THAT I WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS APRIL 12TH, IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND SHE AND I OUR NEW SON IS TO COME EARLY, THEN I MAY NOT BE WITH YOU ON THE 12TH, BUT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT EIGHT DAYS EARLY.
EITHER WAY, I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT BE HERE FOR THE APRIL TWENTY SIXTH MEETING AND I WILL LEAVE YOU IN COMMISSIONER TREZISE'S CAPABLE HANDS AS CHAIR.
SO I WILL I WILL HOPEFULLY BE BACK BY OUR FIRST MEETING IN MAY AT THE VERY LATEST.
APRIL 12TH JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE DAY THAT I COMPLETE MY FORTY SEVENTH TRIP AROUND THE SUN. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT MY FAMILY HAS PLANNED, I MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE.
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OK, WELL IF HE DECIDES TO I HEARD THAT. SEVENTY FOURTH LET'S, I'M DYSLEXIC.ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE GOOD AND CAUSE? THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
COMMISSIONER PREMOE, ANY SECONDS? COMMISSIONER TREZISE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT SAY AYE.
AYE. OPPOSED. AND WE STAND ADJOURNED AT 8:24 P.M..
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. AND IT'S THREE WEEKS, THREE WEEKS THIS TIME BECAUSE WE'VE GOT AN EXTRA WEEK HERE. SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 12TH.
THANK YOU. AND TO YOU ALL AS WELL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.