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[FOREIGN] >> WELL, IN THAT CASE,
[Items 1 & 2]
SINCE IT IS 6:30.READY TO GO. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
WELCOME TO THE TURNER TOWNSHIP MERIDIAN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING.
TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH, 2021.
IT IS 06:30 PM, AND I WILL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING IS APPROVAL OF THAT AGENDA.
ANYBODY DO I HEAR HAVE ANY MOTION? NUMBER [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
>> OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? MEMBER HENDRICKSON.
I HAVE A SECOND. THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
OUR AGENDA IS APPROVED AND THEN WE WILL GO FORWARD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE MINUTES,
[3. CORRECTIONS, APPROVAL AND RATIFICATION OF MINUTES]
TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES.>> MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
>> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER AND A SECOND BY TRUSTEE OPSOMMER.
LET'S SEE MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER?
THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS NOTED IN THE AGENDA.
[4. COMMUNICATIONS]
IT LOOKS LIKE KEITH, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE US TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT NOW OR WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR AT OUR CASE TONIGHT?>> I CAN JUST MENTION IT AT THE END, IF YOU WANT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. MR. CHAPMAN, WILL BE BRINGING THAT UP LATER ONCE WE ARE INTO [NOISE] CASE HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS,
[6A. ZBA CASE NO. 21-02-24-1 (Johnson Sign Company), 2240 Lansing Ave, Jackson, MI, 49202]
SO WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ON SWIFTLY AND SUBTLY TO OUR NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS ZBA CASE NUMBER 21-02-24-1, JOHNSON SIGN COMPANY, 2240 LANSING AVENUE, JACKSON, MICHIGAN 49202.WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CHAPMAN FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THIS TIME.
LET'S SEE. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND].
>> WE'RE SEEING IN THE PRESENTATION HERE.
[NOISE] OKAY. CAN YOU SEE THAT?
>> YES, WE CAN SEE THAT, KEITH.
>> OKAY. THANKS. ZBA CASE 21-02-4-1 JOHNSON SIGN COMPANY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO INSTALL A SECOND WALL SIGN AT 2076 TOWNER ROAD.
THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FROM SECTION 86-688, SUBSECTION 1.
ALL LIMITATIONS GOVERNING SIGNS AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SHALL APPLY.
IF YOU REFER TO THE COMMERCIAL SECTION OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
THE APPLICABLE SECTION IS 86-687, SUBSECTION 3, AND THAT IS WALL SIGNS.
ONE WALL SIGN SHALL BE PERMITTED AND MAY BE LOCATED FLAT AGAINST THE BUILDING'S FRONT FACADE OR PARALLEL TO THE FRONT FACADE ON A CANOPY.
FOR BUSINESSES WITH FRONTAGE ON MORE THAN ONE PUBLIC STREET, TWO SIGNS MAY BE PERMITTED, AND IN NO CASE, NO MORE THAN ONE WALL SIGN BE LOCATED ON A FACADE AND NO WALL SIGNS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE REAR FACADE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF TOWNER AND SECOND HIGHWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED I, INDUSTRIAL AND IS 2.7 ACRES IN SIZE.
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THERE'S A 5,613 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2017, AND IN IT ARE TWO TENANTS, GREAT LAKES OFFICE FURNITURE AND RETRACTABLE SOLUTIONS INC.THE PARCEL IS IRREGULAR SHAPED, AND IT DOES HAVE FRONTAGE AND SAGINAW HIGHWAY AND TOWNER ROAD.
BOTH THE WEST AND NORTH FACADES OF THE BUILDING ARE FACING SAGINAW HIGHWAY.
THE WEST FACADE HAS A 101 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE AND THE NORTH HAS 48 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS A 101 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THE WEST FACADE, WHICH PERMITS A 101 SQUARE FOOT SIGN.
A SIGN PERMIT WAS APPROVED ON OCTOBER 5TH OF 2020 TO INSTALL A 97.8 SQUARE FOOT GREAT LAKES OFFICE FURNITURE AND RETRACTABLE SOLUTIONS INC. SIGN ON WEST FACADE.
THE VARIANCE REQUEST NOW IS TO INSTALL A WALL SIGN ON THE NORTH BUILDING FACADE, AND THIS SIGN WOULD ALSO READ, GREAT LAKES OFFICE FURNITURE AND RETRACTABLE SOLUTIONS INC.
THIS SIGN WILL BE 48 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND THE LINEAR FRONTAGE ON THAT FACADE IS APPROXIMATELY 48 FEET.
THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS FOR A SECOND WALL SIGN.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE REQUEST OF THE SIGN AND PICTURE.
THIS IS A WEST FACADE, THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN OCTOBER, A WHOLE PICTURES OF IT.
THE SOUTH FACADE WHICH IS FACING THE TOWNER ROAD, AND ALSO THE EXISTING 18 SQUARE FOOT FREESTANDING SIGN.
THAT IS ALONG SAGINAW HIGHWAY.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAPMAN. LET'S SEE.
DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE ASSIGNED COMPANY OR THE APPLICANTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OH, I SEE SOMEBODY IN THERE.
>> YEAH. HOW IS IT GOING? CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD BEFORE YOU BEGIN?
>> YEAH. MY NAME IS JIM JOHNSON AND I'M IN JOHNSON SIGN COMPANY, LOCATED AT 2240 LANSING AVENUE, JACKSON, MICHIGAN, 49202.
IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOUR CLIENT ON THE APPLICATION.
>> YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR JOINING TOO.
THE REASON WE HAVE REQUESTED THIS VARIANT WAS BECAUSE OUR CLIENT FEELS THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE A WALL SIGN ON THIS ELEVATION, DUE TO THE TRAFFIC THAT IS TRAVELING WESTBOURNE ON SAGINAW.
HE'S BEEN HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITH HIS CLIENT IN THE PUBLIC BEEN ABLE TO FIND HIS BUSINESS AS THEY'RE TRAVELING.
THE MAIN REASON OF NEEDING THAT IS FOR THAT TRAFFIC.
HE DOES HAVE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT UNLESS YOU'RE TRAVELING EASTBOURNE ON SAGINAW.
THE WAY HIS BUILDING IS IT WILL HELP SET BACK AT AN ANGLE.
HE FEELS THAT FOR HIS PUBLIC AND FOR THE SAFETY OF HIS CLIENTS THAT ARE TRAVELING TO SEE HIM, THAT ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD DO SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE FORUM.
HE HAS HAD EVEN NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT AND BECAUSE THE CLIENTS ARE STOPPING BY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND HIS BUSINESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN IS ON TODAY, WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, HE'S BEEN HAVING A PRETTY DIFFICULT TIME WITH DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING TO HIS OFFICE THINKING HE'S WOLVERINE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING COMPANY.
A LOT OF THEM SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE IDENTIFICATION AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE HIM IF THEY'RE TRAVELING ON SAGINAW.
IT'S REALLY FOR THE NEED FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS AND FOR THE PUBLIC IF THEY'RE TRAVELING TO FIND THEM, THE DELIVERY DRIVERS THAT ARE TRAVELING WEST ON SAGINAW.
WITHOUT THIS SIGN, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS UNTIL YOUR LONG GONE.
I KNOW THEY HAVE THE LITTLE MONUMENT SIGN ON TOP, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT EITHER FROM SAGINAW IF YOU DROVE BY IT, BUT HOW LOW IT IS AND HOW SMALL IT IS,
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IT'S NOT REALLY DOING MUCH FOR HIM.THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY HE FEELS PASSIONATE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE DO FEEL LIKE IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
HE [INAUDIBLE] IT UP TO COMMERCIAL ON HIS LEFT-HAND SIDE OF HIM AND IN COMMERCIAL, I BELIEVE AND KEITH YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
YOU ARE ALLOWED TWO WALL SIGN IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IF YOU HAVE TWO FRONTAGES FROM WHAT I CAN READ ON THE ORDINANCE.
WE FEEL THAT THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, IT'S MEETING THAT.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE HE'S ZONED IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS WHERE WE CAME UP WITH FINDING OUT HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THAT SECOND WALL SIGN ON A SEPARATE ELEVATION.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO DRAW BY THE SAME MATERIAL THAT HE MADE, OR THAT WE MADE HIS WEST ELEVATION SIGN, SO IT'S THE SAME COLOR, THE SILVER, NON HIGHLIGHTED LETTERS.
BUT YEAH, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAVE THEM?
>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND I'M SURE WE WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SO STAY CLOSE [LAUGHTER].
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE? [NOISE] IF SO, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
[NOISE] I DO NOT SEE ANYONE AND I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS RAISED OR ANYTHING IN OUR ATTENDEE'S SECTION.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET INTO BOARD TIME.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO START OR HAVE ANY QUESTION? HAS ANYBODY BEEN OUT TO SEE THIS OR KEITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE PICTURES OF THE ACTUAL FRONTAGE AS FAR AS WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING ON SAGINAW TO SEE THAT.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, BUT I'M UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT ABLE [NOISE] TO GET OUT THERE.
>> I CAN PULL UP THOSE PICTURES THAT I TOOK.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LIKE GOING EAST.
>> YES. LET'S SEE [OVERLAPPING].
ANYBODY ELSE WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES, OBVIOUSLY, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YEAH. WELL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND LOOKING AT THE REPORT AND REALLY SOME CLARIFICATION, SOME OF WHICH I THINK JUST MIGHT PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION, SOME MIGHT NOT BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
I'M JUST NOT SURE AS I LOOK AT THIS, BUT MY FIRST QUESTION FOR STAFF WHEN I LOOK AT SECTION 86, 688, WHICH YOU QUOTED SAYING ALL LIMITATIONS GOVERNING SIGNS IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SHALL APPLY THAT TO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS.
WHEN I READ THAT IN THE ORDINANCE BOOK, IT THEN GOES ON TO SAY, EXCEPT THAT THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED SURFACE DISPLAY AREA SHALL BE 40 SQUARE FEET PER SIDE.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A LIMITATION OF 40 SQUARE FEET IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
MY FIRST QUESTION FOR STANCES, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT?
>> YES. BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S REFERENCING IS A FREESTANDING SIGN IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN IT WAS INTENDED MORE OF LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK ENTRANCE SIGN, THEN FREESTANDING SIGN FOR LIKE A SINGULAR PROPERTY.
>> EXCUSE ME. THE NEXT SECTION TALKS ABOUT FREESTANDING SIGNS.
BUT OKAY, YOU'RE INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE FIRST SECTION IS ALSO ADDRESSING FREESTANDING SIGNS?
>> I'M SORRY, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING, MADAM CHAIRPERSON?
>> OH, NO. ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST ASKING IF THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, SO KEEP GOING. YOU'RE GOOD.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT YOU DO REFER TO THIS AS THE CORNER LOT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF CORNER LOT IN THE ORDINANCE BOOK, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO MEET THAT DEFINITION.
I KNOW WHAT A CASUAL GLANCE DRIVING BY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM A CORNER LOT, BUT IT'S NOT AT THE CORNER OF TWO PUBLIC STREETS.
>> YEAH. IN TERMS OF INTERPRETATION, IT IS A CORNER LOT. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
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LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT REFERENCES THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.THEY HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS, WHICH MEANS THIS BEING A CORNER LOT, THEY ARE PERMITTED A SIGN ON THE SOUTH FACADE AS WELL AS THE WEST FACADE, WHETHER AS A CURRENTLY A SIGN.
>> I'M SORRY. YOUR POSITION IS THIS A CORNER LOT?
>> YEAH, THIS IS A CORNER LOT.
>> DOES THAT HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS OR JUST GIVE ME MORE QUESTIONS? [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE BOOK OF A CORNER LOT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT DRIVING DOWN THE STREET TO ALL OUTWARD APPEARANCES LOOKS LIKE A CORNER LOT.
MY LAST QUESTION HERE I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS THAT THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED BY TWO TENANTS, DO THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES OPEN TO THE PUBLIC?
>> I THINK WITH THAT QUESTION FOR MR. JOHNSON, PERHAPS OR ANY OTHER?
>> KEITH WAS AT THE SITE TODAY, HE CAN ANSWER THAT.
>> YEAH. THEY DO SHARE THAT ENTRANCE.
>> THEY SHARE ONE ENTRANCE, OKAY?
>> KEITH WAS AT THE SITE TODAY.
KEITH, CAN YOU TALK TO THEM WHERE THE ENTRANCES ARE TO THE BUILDING?
>> YEAH. LET ME PULL UP THAT PICTURE AGAIN.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SWITCH BACK AND FORTH HERE WITH MY SCREEN. GIVE ME ONE SEC.
[NOISE] THERE'S THE ENTRANCE IF YOU CAN SEE HERE.
>> YES, I CAN. LET ME SEE IF I CAN EXPAND THIS. I'M SORRY.
>> WHAT I'M SEEING IS LIKE A GARAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE DOOR.
IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO SEE ANY.
>> IT MIGHT NOT BE CLEAR, BUT THERE IS A MAIN ENTRANCES IS RIGHT THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN THERE'S A GARAGE DOOR FURTHER ALONG TO THE SOUTH.
DO YOU SEE ON THE OTHER FACADE?
IS THERE ONE ENTRANCE THAT'S FOR BOTH BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED THERE?
>> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING.
LOOKING AT THE OVERVIEW THERE'S CLEARLY ONE SIDE THAT'S JUST FACING OUT INTO THE FIELD OR INTO OPEN SPACE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE BOOK.
I DIDN'T COME ACROSS A DEFINITION OF WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE THE REAR AND A LOT LIKE THIS.
>> WE'RE CALLING THE SOUTH FACADE THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT, KEITH?
>> IS THAT THE SIDE FACING SOUTH THERE? EXCUSE ME, [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. THAT WOULD BE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THEN THERE'S A SIDE AND THEN TWO FRONTS.
>> KEITH, CAN YOU SHOW THE THE SITE PLAN PLEASE, AND IDENTIFY THE REAR YARD FOR WHERE THE YARDS ARE IN THIS CASE.
>> THE FRONT, THEN REAR, AND THEN SIDE.
>> OKAY. THE CURRENT SIGN IS ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE SIDE?
>> IT'S IN FRONT. THERE'S TWO FRONTS.
BECAUSE IT'S A CORNER LOT, YOU'RE SAYING.
>> DONNA FATE ASKED FOR A SIGN, TO SPIN A CORNER LOT, WHICH I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOTS EARLIER.
THEY DO HAVE FRONT EACH AND TWO PUBLIC STREETS, SECOND A HIGHWAY AND TOWNER.
IF THEY HAD AN ENTRANCE, IF THIS IS MULTI-TENANT THEY HAD AN ENTRANCE.
WE'RE NOT CONCERNED THIS MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, THIS IS A SINGLE TENANT BUILDING.
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THERE ARE TWO TENANTS IN IT, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A SHOPPING CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE [OVERLAPPING].>> OKAY. FOR THE PURPOSES OF INTERPRETING THE ORDINANCE, IT JUST GETS TREATED AS A SINGLE TENANT BUILDING.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THINK OF ANYTHING WHILE LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN OR THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THEY WANT TO TOUCH ON? I THINK MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
MY QUESTION WAS MORE TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN, JUST GETTING A VISUAL.
PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING DOWN SAGINAW, WEST BOUND ON SAGINAW, THEY'RE ACROSS A DIVIDED HIGHWAY. IS THAT CORRECT?.
>> I SEE A MEMBER [LAUGHTER] HENDRICKSON NODDING THE HEAD.
IF YOU WERE APPROACHING THE BUILDING GOING EASTERN SAGINAW, EAST NORTHEAST, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE CURRENT SIGN THAT'S THERE.
COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION, THIS IS WHERE MR. JOHNSON WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CLIENT FEELING THAT PEOPLE COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT SIGN.
FROM JUST LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN, I CAN SEE THAT AND I CAN MAKE A CASE FOR THAT BEING A SAFETY ISSUE AND ALSO BEING VISUALLY.
IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION, YOU REALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE AND AT THE SPEED THAT YOU'RE GOING ON SAGINAW THERE AND THAT STRETCH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT SMALL FREESTANDING SIGN UNTIL YOU'RE UP AGAINST IT.
THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON THIS CASE FOR THE MOMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR SHALL WE GO ON? MEMBER HENDRICKSON, GO AHEAD.
>>YEAH, I THINK IF IF KEITH WOULD ALLOW ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN FOR JUST A MINUTE HERE, I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN, BUT I DO HAVE GOOGLE MAPS.
FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO DRIVE BY AND SEE THIS.
>> THANK YOU, THAT IS VERY HELPFUL, I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> YES. I THINK IT ACTUALLY WILL SHOW A RELATIVELY INTERESTING VISUAL FOR THAT.
THIS IS ON SAGINAW LOOKING WEST BOUND AND THIS BUILDING OVER HERE, THE BLUE ONE IS THE BUILDING IN QUESTION.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AS YOU APPROACH FROM THE EAST IS, FIRST OF ALL, THIS TREE[LAUGHTER] AND THEN THE BUILDING BEHIND IT.
AS YOU APPROACH A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, YOU'LL SEE THE NORTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING HERE, WHICH IS THE FACADE IN QUESTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE CURRENT SIGNS AS THEY EXIST TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ALL THE WAY BEYOND THE BUILDING TO SEE THE SIGN BACK HERE.
BY THE TIME YOU WILL HAVE SEEN THE SIGN FOR THE BUILDING, YOU WILL HAVE PASSED THE BUILDING EITHER WAY, I SUPPOSE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK BACKWARDS TO SEE IT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TURNAROUND IN TIME.
THIS IS A LONG WAY TO SAY THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN A FEW MINUTES, I'LL BE REMEMBERING THIS VISUAL HERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING AND KEITH OR PETER, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT HERE.
THE PEDESTAL SIGN IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON TONER.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST WHERE YOUR CURSOR WAS ALONG SAGINAW THERE.
>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] YEAH, THIS IS IT.
>> OKAY. WELL, BE THAT AS IT MAY, THAT'S [LAUGHTER] PRETTY DIFFICULT TO SEE AS YOU'RE APPROACHING, OBVIOUSLY.
THIS IS A 2019 PICTURE, SO THE SIGN IS ON THE WEST FACADE IS NOT THERE, BUT ANYWAY, HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL TO THOSE
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WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT THERE TODAY OR THIS WEEKEND.I THINK THAT'S A HELPFUL VISUAL FOR ME ANYWAY.
>>THANK YOU, MEMBER HENDRICKSON.
YEAH, THAT DEFINITELY ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE VISUALLY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR WE ARE READY TO GET INTO CRITERIA? TRUSTEE OPSOMMER, GO FOR IT.
>> YES. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MR. CHAPMAN AND MR. MENSER CAN CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD, IF THIS WERE NOT A THIRD SIGN REQUESTING A VARIANCE, WHAT WOULD THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPOSED SIGN BE LIMITED TO? IF THIS WERE A SECOND SIGN OR A FIRST SIGN.
>> SO THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE LINEAR FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
SO FOR THE PERMITTED SIGN, WALL SIGN IS THERE, THEY COULD GO UP TO A 101 SQUARE FEET, AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE 98.7.
SO WITH THIS ONE THEY HAVE 48 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THAT FACADE, SO I GUESS IN THEORY THEY COULD GO UP TO 48 SQUARE FEET.
>>THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THE LINEAR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT FRONT FACADE.
THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU.
>> GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IN THAT CASE, I'M GOING TO GET INTO CRITERIA AND DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
BUT WE'LL JUST GET GOING, AND IF WE DO, WE CAN DISCUSS AS WE GO.
CRITERIA ONE IS THAT UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST THAT ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LAND OR STRUCTURES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT? ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ECHO THAT ONE? [LAUGHTER] I THINK WE COULD ALL AGREE THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE.
>> YEAH, MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER IS IN AGREEMENT, I THINK EVEN JUST THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A CORNER LOT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT.
BUT THE SHAPE AND SIZE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE IT SITS ON THE LINE TO ME CREATES A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE ALSO WITH THE TWO ROADS BUDDING UP TO EACH OTHER.
>> YEAH. I WOULD JUST HAVE ONE SMALL ADDITION TO THAT AS IT RELATES TO WHAT MEMBER HENDRICKSON SHOWED US WITH GOOGLE EARTH AND GOOGLE MAPS, WHICH IS THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC HERE.
SO THE SPEED IS 50 MILES PER HOUR.
LIVING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN AND FREQUENTING THIS STRETCH OF SAGINAW HIGHWAY, IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU CAN'T HAVE A GOOD STRAIGHT LINE AND YOU'RE TRAVELING AT THAT SPEED.
>> YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT.
THANKS. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
MEMBER HENDRICKSON, DID YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS JUST LOOKING TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO OUR REVIEW CRITERIA ALSO ON PAGE 11.
I THINK THAT THAT'S GERMANE AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE AND GO THROUGH THESE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT ANSWERS THEY GAVE, TO THIS WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DISCUSSION AND TO THE POINT OF NUMBER ONE, I AGREE AT THE POSITIONING OF THIS LOT MAKES IT A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE.
>> YEAH. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAVE APPLICANTS TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH CRITERIA BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE USE, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR YARDSTICK TO MEASURE A CASE, SO IT IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
SO FOR MR. JOHNSON AND THE ENTITIES HERE HE REPRESENTS. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT IT IS THE POSITIONING OF THE BUILDING, THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE A COMMENT IN THE CHAT THERE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BUSINESS FROM THE SOUTH AND TRENDS ON TOWNER ROAD.
I GET AS TRUSTEE OPSOMMER POINTED OUT, UNLESS YOU HAVE REASON TO BE ON TOWNER ROAD, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN TOWNER ROAD UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE GO TO THAT PARK BECAUSE YOU COULD PLAY BASEBALL OR SOCCER THERE.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT SAGINAW STRETCH IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR ANY TENANT THAT WAS IN THAT BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THEIR TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM.
ON THAT NOTE CRITERIA TWO IS, THESE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOT SELF-CREATED AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THESE ISSUES EXISTED PRIOR TO THIS CASE.
CRITERIA THREE, STRICT INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LITERAL TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES.
I THINK THAT THEY'VE MADE A PRETTY DECENT CASE FOR THAT AS PARTICULARLY WITH REGARDS TO SAFETY.
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SO AS MEMBER HENDRICKSON POINTED OUT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE CAN RIGHT AWAY SAY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES, OF COURSE, IS PUBLIC SAFETY, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN FIND THEIR LOCATION WITHOUT CAUSING ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.SO IS ANYBODY LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT MEMBER HENDRICKSON?
>> YEAH. I THINK THEIR COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ALSO HAVE BEEN ILLUMINATING IN THIS CASE, SHOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE UNABLE TO FIND THE BUILDING AND ALSO HAVING [LAUGHTER] TO PAW THROUGH THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES.
THERE CLEARLY IS AN ISSUE WITH BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THIS BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE COMING FROM THE EAST.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE THAT INSERT [LAUGHTER] THEM THEIR CORRESPONDENCE AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT CASES, BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU DO LIKE TO SEE THAT NEIGHBORS WOULD BE THEY WOULD IMPROVE LIFE [LAUGHTER] FOR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVING TO DEAL WITH HAVING TO OFFER DIRECTIONS OR HAVING TO OFFER TURNAROUND SPACE FOR PEOPLE THAT MISSED THE BUILDING, ETC.
ANYBODY ELSE ON PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT ARE STRICT INTERPRETATION? ALL RIGHT.
CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE ALLEGED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES WHICH WILL RESULT FROM A FAILURE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE WOULD UNREASONABLY PREVENT THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED PURPOSE.
THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE ALWAYS HAVE SOME ISSUES BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS BEING USED, BUSINESSES ARE OPERATING THERE.
SO DOES IT PREVENT THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR PERMANENT PURPOSE? MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER?
>> I THINK AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS AND LOOKING AT IT EARLIER, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE I WAS GETTING HUNG UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WHEN I TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT THE LOCATION OF IT AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY DRAW PEOPLE INTO A BUSINESS, AND IN THE FACT THAT THE SIGNAGE IS THERE, SO IF YOU'RE SPEEDING DOWN OR MAYBE NOT SPEEDING, LET ME NOT SAY SPEEDING, BUT AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, IN 78 AND GOING BY THAT BUILDING, THAT'S A LOT OF BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE LOSING.
IF YOU'RE BASICALLY HAVING THEM HAVE TO GO TO NEIGHBORS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS BUSINESS IS OR IF YOU'VE GOT THE DELIVERY PEOPLE BASICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU ARE AND THAT IS AN EXCESSIVE DRAIN ON YOUR BUSINESS POTENTIALS.
SO I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE A DEFINITE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND UNREASONABLY PREVENT THEM FROM OPERATING THAT BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPACTING THEIR ACTUAL BUSINESS AND THEIR PROFIT MARGINS IN THEIR KINDS BEING ABLE TO LOCATE IT, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN YOU ESTABLISH A BUSINESS, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUTSIDE FACTORS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GROW.
>> THANK YOU. WELL SAID [LAUGHTER] I'M STILL [LAUGHTER] TRUSTEE OPSOMMER GO AHEAD.
>> I WILL SAY I STUMBLED UPON THIS ESTABLISHMENT OR THIS BUSINESS BACK IN 2018 WHEN WE REPAVED TOWNER ROAD AND I WAS GOING THROUGH SOME OF MY SITE VISITS.
SO I VISITED SITE WORK AND SEE THE END PRODUCT OF THE ROAD PAVING, AND THAT WAS WHEN I STUMBLED UPON THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT AT THE END AND I TURNED INTO THEIR PARKING LOT.
PRIOR TO THAT, I HAD NO REAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS EXISTING SITE AND WHAT ITS FUNCTION OR OPERATION WAS.
SO I WILL SAY, GIVEN THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED, IT IS INHIBITING THE BUSINESS FROM BEING KNOWN TO THE TRAFFIC, AND FOR FOLKS WHO WOULD OTHERWISE PERHAPS PATRONIZE IT, OR FOLKS TRYING TO LOCATE IT.
IT IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE IF YOU'VE VISITED IT.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT NUMBER FOUR? I WILL JUST RE-SUMMARIZE PERHAPS WHAT MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER SAID, AND ADD IN A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT TRUSTEE OPSOMMER SAID, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT THE ALLEGED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO LOCATE THAT WITH THE SPEED, WITH THE LOCATION, WITH THE SETBACK, WITH THE TREES,
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WITH BEING RIGHT THERE TUCKED IN THAT STRANGE CORNER TOWNER AND SAGINAW, THAT THIS IS PREVENTING THIS BUSINESS FROM REACHING FULL POTENTIAL, REACHING AS MANY CUSTOMERS AS POSSIBLE, AND BEING AS ACCESSIBLE AND SAFELY ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE, THEREFORE, PREVENTING THE OWNER FROM USING THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED PURPOSES.THAT SOUND LIKE A FAIR SUMMARY? JUST GET IT TOGETHER FOR THE MINUTES [LAUGHTER].
CRITERIA FIVE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM ACTION THAT WILL MAKE POSSIBLE THE USE OF THE LAND OR STRUCTURE IN A MANNER WHICH IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND WHICH WOULD CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SECURE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.
I THINK MR. JOHNSON SAID IT HIMSELF THAT THIS IS WHAT THE CLIENT FELT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A 100 SQUARE FOOT SIGN ON A 48 LINEAR FOOT FRONTAGE, THEY'RE STAYING WITHIN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMISSIBLE IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT EXISTING, FREESTANDING AND FRONTAGE SIGN.
I THINK THAT THIS IS MINIMUM, THIS THE MINIMUM ACTION AND ABSOLUTELY WOULD SECURE PUBLIC SAFETY.
I THINK THAT'S IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY AS BEING ONE OF OUR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES.
THIS TAKES CARE OF THAT ASPECT AS WELL.
ANYBODY WHO HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE? MOVING ON, CRITERIA NUMBER 6.
GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT LAND OR THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY AS EVIDENCED BY THE COMMUNICATION WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET HERE, THE COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL ONLY POSITIVELY IMPACT THE SURROUNDING LAND AND MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. MEMBER HENDRICKSON.
>> THANK YOU. IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO JUST CONFIRM ONE THING THAT I HEARD EARLIER, WHICH IS THAT THE SIGN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS UNLIT, CORRECT? IT'S JUST AN UNLIT SIGN.
>> YEAH. I THINK, CERTAINLY, IF IT WAS LIT, THERE MIGHT BE AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT THERE WAS ADVERSE EFFECTS ON NEIGHBORS, BUT NO, I THINK AS AN UNLIT SIGN IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CORNER THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE LAND OR A CENTRAL CHARACTER.
MOVING ON THEN TO CRITERIA NUMBER 7. THE CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE ARE NOT SO GENERAL OR RECURRENT IN NATURE AS TO MAKE THE FORMULATION OF A GENERAL REGULATION FOR SUCH CONDITIONS PRACTICABLE.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT SCIENCE, DON'T WE? SINCE WE HAVE MEMBER HENDRICKSON HERE, WHO IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION LIAISON, WHO HAS ALREADY TOLD US AND I WAS AT THAT LOVELY MEETING AT THE END OF LAST MONTH WITH ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP BOARDS THAT SIGNAGE IS SOMETHING THAT PLANNING ALREADY HAS SET ON THEIR GOALS FOR 2021.
I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR IS CAUSE FOR ANY LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
I DO THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT EVEN IF THERE WERE UPDATES THAT BASED ON THE SHAPE AND CONFIGURATION OF THIS LOT WOULD NOT PROBABLY BE PRACTICABLE.
I WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE MEET THAT CRITERIA HERE UNLESS MEMBER HENDRICKSON OR ANYBODY ELSE [LAUGHTER] THINKS THAT THIS IS RECURRENT.
BUT I DO NOT THINK IT IS. MEMBER HENDRICKSON, [NOISE] GO AHEAD.
>> I THINK THE UNIQUE SHAPE OF THIS PARTICULAR CORNER MAKES IT NOT SO GENERAL THAT IT WOULD NEED A CHANGE IN ORDINANCE.
I THINK BY CLASSIFYING IT AS A CORNER, IT WILL LIKELY BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT I ANTICIPATE WILL COME FROM UPDATING THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF THIS WAS REGULAR 90 DEGREE CORNER BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SHAPE OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
>> WELL, IN THAT CASE, THAT'S A YES ON NUMBER 7.
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LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT THIS IS IN PUBLIC INTEREST AND ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THE INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THOSE CRITERIA? [NOISE] I HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION FOR ME? MEMBER HENDRICKSON?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IN ZBA CASE NUMBER 21-02-24-1.
FOR JOHNSON SIGN COMPANY AT 2240 LANSING AVENUE JACKSON, MICHIGAN 49202.
>> DO HAVE ANY SUPPORT? SUPPORT MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER.
ANY DISCUSSION AS WE GO FORWARD? NO? OKAY. THEN THIS IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER?
>> THANK YOU. TRUSTEE OPSOMMER?
YOUR VARIANCE HAS BEEN APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT, MR. JOHNSON.
>> YEAH. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AND SPECIAL THANKS TO KEITH AND PETER FOR ME AND PHIL HELP ME GET THIS FED IN BECAUSE WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING TRYING DO VARIANT MEANING IT'S CHANGED AND A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES ARE NOT AS HELPFUL AS YOU GUYS AND YOU-ALL, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP AND I HOPE YOU-ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE REALLY DO HAVE THE BEST STAFF IN THE WORLD.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON WE APPRECIATE THAT.
>> WITH THAT NOTE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER [NOISE] BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE.
>> WE HAVE TO ELECT OFFICIALS.
[7. OTHER BUSINESS]
>> OH, WE'RE BACK TO ELECTING THIS MONTH. OH, I FORGOT.
>> YEAH. SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING OF 2021, WE HAVE TO ELECT OFFICERS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
>> LOOK AT ME. I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE AGENDA. [LAUGHTER]
>> IN THAT CASE, OUR OTHER BUSINESS OF THE EVENING, MEMBER HENDRICKSON, GO AHEAD.
>> I MOVE TO RETAIN CHAIR MANSOUR AS CHAIR OF THE ZBA FOR 2021.
>> OF COURSE YOU WOULD. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT WAS LIKE SCOTT BEAT ME TO IT.
>> WELL, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT VOTE OF CONFIDENCE.
DO WE HAVE TO ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT ONE, KEITH? YES.
>> TRUSTEE OPSOMMER. SORRY, I'VE GOT MY LITTLE NOTES. MEMBER KULHANEK.
>> I'LL VOTE YES. WHY NOT? I'LL STAY [LAUGHTER] ME AND THE SHIP FOR A WHILE LONGER.
DO WE NEED TO ALSO RE-ELECT OUR VICE-CHAIR?
>> I WAS LIKE, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT.
>> [LAUGHTER] I MOTION TO KEEP OUR VICE-CHAIR MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER.
>> SUPPORT FROM TRUSTEE OPSOMMER.
ROLL CALL VOTE IS, MEMBER FIELD-FOSTER.
>> [LAUGHTER] TRUSTEE OPSOMMER.
>> THE CHAIR VOTES YES. SORRY, YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME.
ON THAT NOTE, NOW THAT WE HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN RE-ELECTED, WE CAN OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL LET HOME TV LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY.
>> ACTUALLY, HOME TV IS HAVING PROBLEMS THIS EVENING SO WE WILL NOT LIKELY HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE TELEPHONE LINE AT 5173491232, BUT YOU DO HAVE ONE PERSON AND THEN THE HOME TV REPRESENTATIVE IN THE ATTENDEE AREA, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THEY CAN, OF COURSE, RAISE THEIR HAND [OVERLAPPING].
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>> WELL, ON THAT NOTE, I'M NOT SEEING RAISED HANDS, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND GO TO BOARD COMMENT IF ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE OR SAY.
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MEMBER HENDRICKSON, GO AHEAD.>> JUST A QUICK NOTE. I KNOW I MENTIONED THIS TO THE CHAIR AND TO KEITH EARLIER, BUT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE MARCH 10TH MEETING, SO DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH FUN WITHOUT ME.
>> WE'LL TRY. HOPEFULLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER SIGN CASE WE CAN BUG YOU ABOUT.
WELL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER, TRUSTEE OPSOMMER, WHO'S COMING TO US AS THE TOWNSHIP BOARD LIAISON AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS SERVED ON THE ZBA.
THIS IS EXCITING FOR US AND FOR HIM, I'M SURE.
>> WELCOME TO THE BEST BOARD EVER.
>> YES. WE DO TRY TO HAVE FUN AND WE ALWAYS MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS AS OUR [LAUGHTER] CHAIR [INAUDIBLE] WOULD HAVE SAID IF HE WAS HERE.
>> SENTIMENTS ARE ALIVE AND WELL AT THE BOARD.
>> IT'S TRUE. HE TAUGHT US HOW TO HAVE FUN.
>> WELL, ON THAT NOTE, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SHARE, I HOPE ALL OF YOUR HOUSES STAY DRY WITH ALL THIS ICE MELTING AND I HOPE EVERYBODY TAKES CARE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON MARCH 10TH.
>> YEAH. THANK YOU, PETER, FOR ANOTHER HELPFUL MEETING.
>> YES. WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. BYE EVERYONE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.